breaking tonight, 24 hours of the nienl presidential debate. hillary clinton and donald trump are once again coming face to face, this time in new york city at a charity dinner that is supposed to be light hearted and fun. but in a campaign that has broken all of the rules, it is unclear and kwhaktly is going to happen tonight. welcome to "the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly. we expect the presidential hopefuls to speak any moment now. this is the warmup act here. al smith, iv. we're going to bring it to you live. tonight, just to set the scene, it's a little strained in more ways than one. first hillary clinton, donald trump just sitting one person apart with cardinal dolan

serving as the only buffer and the lord is there as well. second mrs. clinton's campaign came under fire for leaked comments about catholics. cardinal odo land called on herself to distance herself from the comments made from the people in her so far she hasn't. mr. trump has done some things that weren't approved by the catholic church. he'll go first. let's take a listen to the intros. >> so for this evening all is forgiven. it is now my privilege to introduce the first of this evenings speakers. we determined tonight's order backstage. iep happy to report no matter how the coin toss ended wur our next speaker was going to say it was rigged.

[ applause [ applause ] i was thinking of course about the republican nominee donald j. trump. there were actually some rumors going around that he wasn't going to show up tonight. he could say he wanted to keep us in suspense. we considered having a donald trump cutout, but if we wanted someone still lifeless, we could ask charlie rosen to speak again. it is historic that donald is here tonight. that's right, for the first time, the catholic church is not the largest tax exempt landowner

here tonight. [ applause ] we are honored to have donald and melania here tonight. also at dinner is a new york institution, the donald, a kid from queens with a big heart and a big mouth, without question is a new york institution. donald the microphone is yours and it's working. [ cheers & applause ] >> thank you, al. wow. that was good. this is a hell of a dinner. well i want to thank your eminence. this is really great to be with you again.

we love it, governor cuomo, great senators. hi, chuck. he used to love me when i was a democrateano democrat, you know. mayor de blasio, wherever you are. where is mayor de blasio. hello, mayor. in the old days i would have known him very well but i haven't been doing so much of the real estate anymore. and i want to thank al and nan smith, just a fantastic job you do with the dinner. congratulations on the records, over $6 million is their record. and a special hello to all of you in this room who have known and loved me for many, more

years. the politicians. they've had me to their homes, they've introduced me to their children. i've become their best friends in many instances. they've asked for my endorsement and they always wanted my money. and even called me really a dear, dear friend. but then suddenly decided when i ran for president as a republican that i've always been a no good rotten disgusting scoundrel and they totally forgot about me. but that's okay. you know, they say when you do this kind of an event you always start out with a self depos deprecating joke. so think this would be tough for

me but the truth is i'm actually a modest person. very modest. it's true. in fact many people tell me that modesty is perhaps my best quality. even better than my temperament. you know, cardinal dolan and i have some things in common. for instance, we both run impressive properties on 5th avenue. of course his is much more impressive than mine. that's because i built mine with my own beautifully formed hands. while his was built with the hands of god. and nobody can compete with god. is that correct?? nobody. right? that's right. no contest. it's great to be here with a thousand wonderful people, or as i call it, a small intimate

dinner with some friends. or as hillary calls it, her largest crowd of the season. this is corny stuff. i do recognize that i come into this event with a little bit of an advantage. i know that so many of you in the arch diosis have a place in your heart for a guy that started out working as a carpenter. i was a carpenter. true, not for a long period of time. but for about three weeks.

what's great about the al smith dinner is that even in the rough and tumble world of a really, really hard fought campaign -- in fact i don't know if you know, hillary, last night they said that was the most vicious debate in the history of politics, presidential debate, the most vicious. and i don't know, are we supposed to be proud of that? but they did say that and i'm trying to think back to lincoln. i don't think i can really compete with that. but the candidates have some light hearted moments together, which is true. i have no doubt that hillary is going to play up quite a bit tonight. sometimes even at an appropriate moment. and even tonight with all of the heated back and forth, between my opponent and me at the debate

last night, we have proven that we can actually be civil to each other. in fact just before taking, hillary accidentally bumped into me and she very civilly said pardon me. and i very lightly replied, let me talk to you about that after i get into office. just kidding. just kidding. and hillary was very gracious. she said if somehow she gets

elected she wants me to be, without question, either her ambassador to iraq or to afghanistan. it's my choice. but one of the things i noticed tonight, and i've known hillary for a long time, this is the first time ever, ever that hillary is sitting down and speaking to major corporate leaders and not getting paid for it. true. true. you know last night i called hillary a nasty woman. but this stuff is all relative. after listening to hillary rattle on and on and on i don't think so badly of rosie

o'donnell anymore. in fact i'm actually starting to like rosie a lot. these events give not only the candidates a chance to be with each other in a very social setting, it also allows the candidates the opportunity to meet the other candidates' team. good team. i know hillary met my campaign manager and i got a chance to meet the people who are working so hard to get her elected. there they are, the heads of nbc, cnn, cbs, abc, there's the "the new york times" right over there and the "washington post."

they're working overtime, true. it's true. this one is going to get me in trouble. not with hillary. you know, the president told me to stop whining. but i really have to say the media is even more biassed this year than ever before. ever. you want the proof? michelle obama gives a speech and everyone loves it. it's fantastic. they think she's absolutely great. my wife melania gives the exact same speech and people get on her case and i don't get it.

i don't know why. and it wasn't her fault. stand up, melania, come on. she took a lot of abuse. i'm in trouble when i go home tonight. she didn't know about that one. am i okay? is it okay? cardinal, please speak to her. i'd like to address an important religious matter. the issue of going to confession, or, as hillary calls it, the 4th of july weekend with fbi director comey. now i'm told hillary went to confession before tonight's event. but the priest was having a hard time when he asked her about her sins and she said she couldn't

remember 39 times. hillary is so corrupt. she got kicked off the watergate commission. how corrupt do you have to be to get kicked off of the watergate commission. pretty corrupt. hillary has been in politics since the '70s. what's her pitch? the economy has busted, the government is corrupt, washington is failing, vote for me, i've. working on these problems for 30 years. i can fix it, she says. i wasn't really sure if hillary was going to be here tonight because i guess you didn't send

her invitation by e-mail. or maybe you did and she just found out about it through the wonder of wikileaks. we've learned so much from wikileaks. for example, hillary believes that it's vital to deceive the people by having one public policy and a totally different policy in private. that's okay. i don't know who they're angry at hillary, you or i. for example, here she is tonight in public pretending not to hate catholics. now some of you haven't noticed hillary isn't laughing as much as the rest of us. that's because she knows the

joke jokes and all of the jokes were given to her in advance of the dinner by donna brazile, which is -- everyone knows of course hillary's belief that it takes a village which only makes sense after all in places like haiti where she's taken a number of them. thank you. i don't want this evening without saying something nice about my opponent. hillary has been in washington a long time. she knows a lot about how government works and according to her sworn testimony, hillary has forgotten more things than most of us will ever ever know. that i can tell you. we're having some fun here

tonight and that's good. on a personal note, what an amazing honor it is to be with all of you. and i want to congratulate hillary on getting the nomination and we're in there fighting and over the next 19 days somebody is going to be chosen. we'll see what happens. but i have great memories of coming to this dinner with my father over the years when i was a young man, great experience for me. this was always a special experience for him and me to be together. one things we can all agree on is the need to support the great work that comes out of the dinner. millions of dollars have been raised to support disadvantaged children and i applaud the many people who have worked to make this wonderful event a critical lifeline for children in need. and that we together broke the all-time record tonight is

really something special. more than 6 million net net net. the cardinal told me that's net net, donald, remember. we can also agree on the need to stand up to anti-catholic bias, to defend religious liberty and to create a culture that celebrates life. america is in many ways divided -- [ applause ] thing you. america is in many ways divided like it's never been before and the great religious leaders here tonight give us all an example that we can follow. we're living in a time and age that we never thought possible before. the vicious barbarism that we read about in history books but never thought we would see it in our so-called modern day world.

who would have thought we would have been witnessing what we're witnessing today. we've got to be very strong, very, very smart and we've got to come together not only as a nation but as a world community. thank you very much. god bless you and god bless america. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. [ cheers & applause ] >> an extraordinary event that we watched right there. the history smith dinner is the two candidates try to turn the page on what is an ak moan yous season, especially so this time around and typically -- we'll get back to them in one second. let's turn that sound down so they can listen to one person. typically it's a self deprecating presentation and the humor is at one's own expense. what we saw there was a little bit of that which some great lines. you got to hand it to trump, the stuff about melania, the media

is so biassed, michelle obama gives a great speech and they love it, melania gets the same speech and gets a different reaction. there's a saying at another dinner in washington, singe don't burn. she went after how corrupt she is, he was booed, she's taken a number of villages, playing off the title of her book, including in haiti. she's forgotten most of what most of us will ever known to an unreceptive crowd and obviously some judgment going on behind donald trump as he offered those remarks. that's -- it's an unusual sight for how it normally goes down. no that it's wrong or wrong, just not consist teent we've se in others. and you can see hillary hobnobbing with cardinal dolan

as trump said here she is in public pretending not to hate catholics. i want to bring in katrina and robert. let me start with you, robert. i mean these things, it's always fun to make fun of your opponent. that's expected. >> sure. >> what did you think of how this went down in. >> wow. i'll tell you the truth. this is one of the great national traditions in the great new york tradition, the al smith dinner in honor of the late governor al smith, the first catholic to be nominated for president. but the humor is self deprecating, light hearted toward your opponent and with a great degree of warmth. regrettably here, i don't know if he hired andrew dice clay's writers -- okay. he missed the mark. >> sorry to interrupt you. here comes hillary. let's take a listen to what she does is what's been an ak moan

yous campaign on both sides. >> thank you. your eminence, your excellencies, members of the clergy, al and nan smith, donald and melania and all of the distinguished guests. earlier tonight al reminded me that when the first al smith ran for president he chose as his running mate the progressive senator from arkansas a, one of mu husband's political heroes. this work that you do through the dinner, al, you've done it now for 30 years. it's such a labor of love. your e you've been a hero for the children of the arch diocese and for the city of new york. we all owe al smith a great great round of applause.

[ applause ] this is such a special event that i took a break from my rigorous nap schedule to be here. and as you've already heard, it's a treat for all of you too. because usually i charge a lot for speeches like this. but for me it was kind of ironic thinking about a fiery populous al smith. if he were here today and saw how much money we've raised for needy children, he'd be very proud. and if he saw this magnificent room celebrating his legacy, he would be very confused. it's a special honor to be here

with your eminence. i know, your eminence, you were criticized for inviting both donald and me here tonight and you responded by saying, if i only sat down with those who were saints i'd be talking all of my meals alone. now just to be clear, i think the cardinal is saying i'm not eligible for sainthood. but getting through these three debates with donald has to count as a miracle. so i guess i'm up against the highest, hardest stained glass ceiling. but your eminence, you do deserve great credit for bringing together two people who have been at each other's throats, mortal enemies, bitter

foes. i've got to ask, how did you get the governor and mayor here together tonight? now i've got to say, there are a lot of friendly faces here in this room, people that i've been privileged to know and to work with. i just want to put you all in a basket of adorables. and you look so good in your tuxes or as i refer to them, formal pants suits. and because this is a friendly dinner for such a great cause, donald, if at any time you don't like what i'm saying, feel free to stand up and shout "wrong" while i'm talking. you know, come to think of it, it's amazing i'm up here after donald.

i didn't think he would be okay with a peaceful transition of power. and donald, after listening to your speech i will also enjoy listening to mike pence deny that you ever gave it. you know, i've had the privilege of being at the al smith dinners in years past and i always enjoy it. but remember, if you're not happy with the way it comes out, it must be rigged. and it's always a special treat for me to be back in new york. a city that i love and which i think truly embodies the best of america. you know, don't you think? people look at the statue of liberty and they see a proud symbol of our history as a

nation of immigrants, a beacon of hope for people around the world. donald looks at the statue of liberty and sees a 4. maybe a 5 if she loses the torch and tablet and changes her hair. you know, come to think of it, you know what would be a good number for a woman? 45. but i digress. now i'm going to try my best tonight, but i understand i am not known for my sense of humor. that's why it did take a village to write these jokes. people say, and i hear them, i know, they say i'm boring compared to donald. but i'm not boring at all. in fact i'm the life of every party i attend and i've been to

three. and when the parties get out of hand as occasionally they do, it's important to have a responsible chaperon who can get everyone home safely and that is why i picked tim kaine to be my vice president. now, you notice there is no teleprompter here tonight which is probably smart because maybe you saw donald dismantle his prompter the other day. and i get that. they're hard to keep up with and i'm sure it's even harder when you're translating from the original russian. but every now this dinner brings together a collection of sensible committed mainstream republicans. or as we now like to call them, hillary supporters.

now, some of my krut critics, a hear that too, they think i only say what people want to hear. well, tonight that is true. and here's exactly what you want to hear. this election will be over very very soon. we got charlie rose and chris matthews and gayle king and nora o'donnell and katie couric, this counts as a press conference, right? it is great also to see mayor bloomberg here. it's a shame he's not speaking tonight. i'm curious to hear what a billionaire has to say.

and look, we've got the honorable chuck schumer, honorable bill de blasio and so many other wonderful elected officials, and we have rudy giuliani. now, many don't know this, but rudy actually got his start as a prosecutor going after wealthy new yorkers who avoided paying taxes. but as the saying goes, if you can't beat them, go on fox news and call them a genius. so as i said, we've now had our third and thankfully final debate. sharing a stage with donald trump is like, well, nothing really comes to mind.

there is nothing like sharing a stage with donald trump. donald wanted me drug tested before last night's debate. and look, i got to tell you. i am so flattered that donald thought i used some sort of performance enhancer. now actually i did. it's called preparation. and looking back, i've had to listen to donald for three full debates. and he says i don't have any stamina. that is four and a half hours. i have now stood next to donald trump longer than any of his campaign managers. now look, i have deep respect for people like kellyanne conway. she's working day and night for donald and because she's a

contractor he's probably not even going to pay her. but i think the good news is that debates finally allowed republicans to unite around their candidate. the bad news is it's mike pence. and it's been a long long campaign. that should be one of our highest priorities. shortening the campaigns. and whoever wins the election, the outcome will be historic. we'll either have the first female president or the first president who started a twitter war with cher. and if donald does win, it will be awkward at the annual president's day photo when all of the former presidents gather at the white house, and not just with bill. how is barack going to get past the muslim ban?

now republicans in particular seem frustrated with their nominee. paul ryan told the republican members of the house, you don't have to support the top of the ticket. don't worry about anyone besides yourself. just do what's in your own best interest. so i guess donald really has unified his party around his core philosophy. and i don't understand their unhappiness. they say donald doesn't have any policies. he has no policies. i keep hearing that. would actually like to defend him on this. donald has issues, serious issues. really, really serious issues. and i worry about donald's go it alone attitude. for example, at his convention when he said i alone can fix it. in the '90s i said the same thing about america's health care system and it didn't work out so well for me either. but speaking of health, donald

has been very concerned about mine. very concerned. he actually sent a car to bring me here tonight. actually it was a hearse. but i kind of want to just put the information out there so everybody can draw their own con clues -- conclusions. my blood pressure is 100/70. iz is unbelievably great. my cholesterol is 189. his is presidential. my heart rate is 72 beats per minute. his is the most beats ever or the least beats ever, whichever sounds best. but donald really is as healthy as a horse, you know the one vladimir putin rides around on. but i can say without fear of contradiction tonight that i

will be the healthiest and youngest woman ever to serve as president. but this has really been a strange campaign. you saw it last night. you saw it again tonight. donald has attacked me for life in public service. and i didn't get that at first. i kind of get it now. as he told howard stern, he doesn't like it when women have been around for more than 35 years. but donald, we have so much more in common than actually you may realize. for example, i try to inspire young people that by showing them with resilience and hard work anything can is possible. you're doing the same. a teacher told me one of his students refused to turn in his home work because it's under audit. here's another similarity. the republican national

committee isn't spending a dime to help either one of us. so tonight, let's embrace the spirit of the evening, let's come together, remember what unites us and just rip on ted cruz. i hope you enjoyed my remarks tonight. i said no to some jokes that i thought, over the line. but i suppose you can judge for yourself on wikileaks in the next few days. donald will tell us after the benediction whether he accepts that this dinner is over. he has to wait and see. but there's nothing funny about the stakes in this election. in the end what makes this dinner important are not the jokes we tell but the legacy that we carry forward. it's often easy to forget how far this country has come. and there are a lot of people in this room tonight who themselves or their parents or grandparents

came here as immigrants, made a life for yourself, took advantage of the american dream and the greatest system that has ever been created in the history of the world to unleash the individual talents, energy and ambition of everyone willing to work hard. and when i think about what al smith went through, it's important to just reflect how ground breaking it was for him, a catholic, to be my party's nominee for president. don't forget, school boards send home letters with children saying that if al smith is elected president you will not be allowed to have or read a bible. voters were told that he would annul protestant marriages. and i saw a story recently that said people even claimed the holland tunnel was a secret

passageway to connect rome and america to help the pope rule our country. those appeals, appeals to fear and division can cause us to treat each other as the other. rhetoric like that makes it harder for us to see each other, to respect each other, to listen to each other. and certainly a lot harder to love our neighbor our ourself. i believe how we treat others is the highest expression of faith and of service. now i'm not catholic, i'm a methodist. but one of the things that we share is the belief that in order to achieve salvation we need both faith and good works and you certainly don't need to be catholic to be inspired by the humility and heart of the holy father, pope francis, or to embrace his message.

his message about rejecting a mind-set of hostility. his calls to reduce inequality, his warnings about climate change, his appeal that we build bridges, not walls. now as you may know, my running mate tim is catholic and went to jesuit schools. and one of the things he and i have talked about is this idea from the jesuits, the more the better. we need to get better at finding ways to disagree at matters of policy while agrees on questions of decency and civility. how we talk to each other, treat each other, respect each other. so aye take thn concept to heart in this campaign as best as one can in the daily heat, the back

and forth of a presidential campaign to ask how we can do more for each other and better for each other. because i believe that for each of us our greatest monument on this earth won't be what we build, but the lives we touch. and that is ultimately what this dinner is all about. and it's why it's been such a great honor to join you all again. thank you. [ applause ] >> and she did it, too. i mean really, that's what we're left with. she went after him just as hard. somebody just tweeted out, these speeches are a lot more deprecating and a lot less self deprecating than we normally see. i want to bring in katrina pearson and robert zimmerman. you tell me. they were both -- i think we're in the burn territory as opposed

to the singe. >> i guess it's my time saying she spent time attacki ining do trump. we're in the middle of a campaign, one where the stakes are high. mr. trump definitely was funny. he was his usual charming funny entertaining self but he was going to make clear, as he point out in the room that her biggest supporter, nbc, cnn, they were all there, getting the message out that they refused to. >> were you a little disappointed that she went to the cutting place. she had an opportunity to carve out the high ground and arguably gave it away. >> come on. if you saw the response from the audience, if you heard her words talking about a sense of unity overcoming bigotry and fear -- >> that was after she said donald trump is healthy as a horse, like the one vladimir putin rides around on. >> she threw quite a few shots at herself. >> so did he. he did too.

>> the point is, the public can decide for themselves just what they think. i think when all is said and done, this is not a democrat or republican debate. i think she showed great grace in the tradition of ronald reagan, her husband president clinton at the time, certainly barack obama. i think she showed great grace and style. >> standby. i'm not saying good-bye to you. i want to bring in former michigan congressman pete h hoekstra. let's start with you. >> well i have the unfortunate position of only having heard hill clinton's remarks. i did not hear donald trump's remarks. i thought hillary had gone to the gridiron dinner. you singe, you don't burn. i can't relate. these are not the issues that

americans care about right now. they care about the economy, national security and those types of things. >> it speak to what we've seen in the campaign, this unrelenting ability of these two to just make us feel bad. am i wrong? >> well, i think politics at our best makes us feel bigger and better and there hasn't been a lot of that this year. i thought obama and romney were funnier four years ago. but in the grand scheme of things, it's a great event. they're there to raise money. i don't think it's going to matter one way or the other. >> four years ago barack obama got up there and said my mother gave me the name of barack. my middle name came from somebody who never intended to run for president. some people were going off on donald trump saying he's bombing, a ghost writer is being

thrown off of the trump tower right now. this is an unmitigated disaster and then she got up what started to pop up was that she was rude, rudy giuliani was glaring at her and that she was borderline vicious in her comments. where does that leave us? >> well i think it leaves us going into the finish line of a presidential campaign. and you know, to -- it's astounding to me how we hear that hillary clinton was talking about unity and bricking people together but then again this is one of her public speeches, not one of her private speeches which we know now she has disdain for americans, particularly those who don't support her. >> for those who didn't see the ber againing of the program we've got a sound bite. >> we've learned so much from wikileaks. for example hillary believes it's vital to deceive the people by having one public policy and

a totally different policy in private. that's okay. i don't know who they're angry at, hillary, you or i. for example, here she is tonight in public pretending not to hate catholics. now some of you haven't noticed, hillary isn't laughing as much as the rest of us. that's because she knows the jokes. and all of the jokes were given to her in advance of the dinner by donna brazile. >> pete hoekstra, you tell me whether some of the reaction in that room was the result of a mainstream media that really doesn't like donald trump and they don't want to see him win and they don't find him funny, period. >> well, they don't find him

funny. they've been, over the last year, they've been firmly committed to making sure that donald trump will not be president. and what they keep on missing is that donald trump has tapped into the frustrations of the american people. they cannot relate to it because they live and operate in a city that has not seen a recession or a downsizing in 30 years. they live in their own bubble. >> have you ever attended that dinner congressman? if you didn't, how would you know the audience? instead of resorting to those partisan comments about the al smith dinner which is a great tradition of her country and supports so many charities, i think you ought to be more respectful of the audience and understand that donald trump's jokes were funny. it didn't work. >> it's time to get off of the high horse here. the question that i was asked was my megyn kelly saying do you

think part of this is brought on by the media who is in the room who are primarily again from the introduction that i had was that these are folks that are part of this group of the media that are opposed to donald trump. this says something about the al smith dinner or those types of things. >> let me stand you by. i want to ask you stewart stephens, there was a point where people were thinking this is now becoming a political matter. is this oozing over into a place where this can affect people's impressions of these candidates. what's still ringing in everybody's ears is what happened at last night's debate. you heard comments about trump not going to accept the results of the election necessarily. haven't gotten a chance to get your take on what happened last night. >> you know, in my groupie vote getting perspective, i think debates ought to be about audiences that you're trying to

reach. the biggest group that donald trump needs is women. and i think last night was sort of a disaster for him on that front. the nasty woman comment is just something that we've never heard before in a debate. and there was no targeted effort that he made to really come to grips with what has come out about his past and what has been said and what he said. so you know, i thought it was actually his worst debate in that regard. >> well we'll see. we'll see where the needle gets moved. he did speak to the woman issue and offered a lengthy defense of it. i got to run. great to see all of you. also ahead tonight, a big campaign controversy that you heard referenced in the trump joke that's getting a serious second look after our heated interview with the chairwoman of the democratic national committee last night, donna brazile. richa richard fowler here on the

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it was just learned that hillary clinton was given the exact questions to a previous debate, word for word, by donna brazile. she should resign. how can a woman do that? that is cheating at the highest level. >> that was donald trump earlier today calling for democratic national committee acting chairwoman donna brazile to step down over allegations that she leaked a town hall debate question. it was hosted by cnn and tv 1, that she leaked it to hillary clinton. this controversy taking on new life after ms. brazile appeared on "the kelly file" last night and asked her to explain why she appears to have sent this e-mail to the clinton campaign prior to the town hall, writing, from

time to time i get the questions in advance, and then provided the campaign with the exact question that one of the debate moderators, role and martin, submitted to cnn producers the very next day. here's some of my interaction with donna brazile last night about how she came into possession of that question in the first place. >> where did you get it? >> first of all, what information are you providing to me that will allow me to see what you're talking about? everybody -- >> you got the wikileaks release of march 12th. where did you get it? >> you know, as a christian woman i understand persecution, but i will not sit here and be persecuted because your information is totally false. what you're telling the american people. >> i'm getting podesta's e-mails. >> well, podesta's e-mails were stolen. you are interested in talking about stolen material -- >> you deny it. >> -- you're life a thief that want to bring in things found in the gutter. >> jake tapper came out and said it was unethical. that's your colleague at cnn,

not megan kelly. who gave you that question? >> megan, once again, i said it, i said it on the record and i'll say it on the record and keep saying it on the record, i am not going to try to validate falsified information. >> your e-mail to the clinton campaign said, sometimes i receive the questions in advance. >> ma'am, you know what -- >> and cnn is saying roland martin gave them to you or someone at tv-1 and they were provided to hillary before that town hall. >> anybody that knows me, and there are a number of your colleagues as well, they know me very well. i know how to play it. cnn never provided me with questions, absolutely never, nada. >> when you said, from time to time i get the questions in advance, what were you referring to? because in that e-mail you offered the exact question one of the moderators, roland martin, then proposed the next day. >> so my reference back to you,

respect you greatly -- >> and i respect you, too. >> the validity of those e-mails, if i can only tell you one thing because as you know this whole episode is under criminal investigation, but i could just tell you one thing, a lot of those e-mails i would not give them the time of the day. i seen so many doctored e-mails. >> okay. >> joining us with more, sheriff david clarke, sheriff of milwaukee, county, wisconsin, and richard fowler, senior fellow at the viewers council and fox contributor. >> good to see you, megan. >> what appears, she appears to have sent a question at a cnn/tv-1 town hall. the next day roland martin submitted the same question to cnn producers saying, this is what i'm going to ask. by the time he got to the town hall, it was the same substance, just shortened. sheriff clarke, she wants us to

believe it is all fake. >> you had her cornered. i have interrogated a lot of people in 38 years in law enforcement. what i saw was classic. she attacked you, attacked the message, said the e-mails were false. everybody is wound too tight. i watched the speeches at the dinner tonight. what did people expect? we are in the final weeks of this campaign. it is going to be a slugfest, i said it before. people don't like that analogy, but it is. this is not going to be a white glove affair. i expect people running for the white house to want to fight for the position. i'm not unnerved by this stuff. it is what it is going to be like, and it might get worse over the next 20 days, but this is what politics has become whether we like it or not. i'm not saying i like it, i wish it were something else, but reality is it is not any longer and this is what we have to put up with. >> but, richard, the vice chair of the dnc gave a town hall question during the primaries, she didn't give it to bernie sanders, she gave it to hillary. if she did that, that's a gross

breach of ethics on her part, is it not? >> well, there's two things here, megan. number one, we're not sure if she gave a question to bernie sanders or not because his e-mails were hacked by the russians via julian assange. we got breaking news from politico -- >> let's stick with what we know. she gave it to campaign chairman. inappropriate? >> what makes it so problematic is julian assange is living in the basement of the ecuadoran embassy committing espionage against the american people. >> we're talking about whether a question was given in advance of the town hall. >> right, but we're not sure if she gave one to bernie sanders. we don't know. that makes the whole story problematic. >> the point, richard, if she gave either one of them that question, richard, it was a gross breach of ethics. you don't agree? >> wait a minute. number one, donna brazile is not a journalist.

if we blame anyone, blame the journalist to turned over the questioner. she didn't get it from cnn. >> it appears she got it according to jake tapper from someone at tv-1. >> that means a journalist violated their journalistic integrity. >> i like roland martin, i don't know if you call him a journalist or not. you won't concede her giving hillary's camp the debate question is unethical? >> i will concede these e-mails were gained illegally. the sheriff is a law and order guy. he agrees what we know is jewel jan assange is an enemy of america. >> when you see a breach of ethics, you call it out. sheriff, last word. >> it is guilty behavior. they want to deflect, attack the messenger. >> attack julian asaungs, that's what i'm saying. >> they will not address the question you asked. this is classic guilty behavior. >> guys, you know, it is like it's been a perfect show,

encapsulated the entire 2016 campaign. you wind up needing a shower. >> it is scorched earth, megan. >> thank you for being here. taking audience's thoughts on facebook.com/kelliefile. on twitter @megankelly. >> thanks, megan. welcome to "hannity." the alfred e. smith dinner took place in new york city. moments ago they addressed those attending the annual dinner and here are some of the fun highlights. take a look. >> it is great to be here with 1,000 wonderful people, or as i call it a small, intimate dinner with some friends. or as hillary calls it, her largest crowd of the season. just before taking the