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please remember the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight with less than two weeks to go until election day new fox polls tonight show hillary clinton's lead cut in it half, and that's not all. welcome to "the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly. an avalanche of negative press, she is enjoying a three-point advantage over donald trump nationally. only half of the lead she enjoyed just last week. it's within the margin of error meaning the two might actually be tied. fox polling shows mrs. clinton with a 44% to trump's 41% mark ing. now they both have seen a drop for clinton -- she has seen a drop in points in her advantage as well as a two-point boost for
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trump since just last week. look at that. new battleground polling suggests clinton may be struggling in must-win spots as well. as political watchers start to ask whether the shape of the race is changing in the final stretch. governor mike huckabee is here. we begin tonight with trace gallagher with the very latest numbers and what might be behind them. trace? >> reporter: megyn, they say bad news comes in threes. for hillary clinton that's proving true. first came the e-mails released by wikileaks showing clinton aides bashing catholics, fighting with each other and time and again questioning hillary's judgment. now the latest leak appears to show hillary clinton sent e-mails to president obama from her private server calling into doubt the president's assertion that he learned about the private server from the news just like everyone else. next came the undercover tapes from the conservative group project appearing to catch op a
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operatives explaining how to commit voter fraud and incite violence at trump rallies, and a new video shows consultant bob kramer how connected he is to hillary clinton and president obama. he has already resigned his position. and topping off clinton's trifecta of bad news are the obamacare numbers from the administration itself announcing that premiums for mid level plan will rise in 39 states by an average of 25%. now to the polls, the bloomberg politics poll has donald trump up by two points in do-or-die florida. that poll shows critical independent voters are narrowly breaking trump's way. back in 2012 florida independents broke for obama over romney. in arizona the first monmouth university poll there has trump up by one point, 46% to 45% although among early voters l n
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clinton appears to have the advantage putting a lot more pressure on republican voter turnout. monmouth has clinton leading by four points but that's down from nine points in september. clinton's unfavorable rating in new hampshire is also getting worse, then again so is donald trump's. >> trace, thank you. former staffer under president george w. bush and the director of center for politics at the the university of virginia. >> some minion. he's the man who got the guy elected. so great to see you both. what do you make of the numbers and the changing map. some serious tightening. it's down to three. >> let's be careful about reading too much into one poll. this was a three-point advantage
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for clinton on the two candidate ballot. both showing movement from last week and in that they represent all of the polling and if you take the clear politics average, it was just over a week ago it was 7.1 points. today it's 5.4. this follows the trend of the last five presidential elections. whoever was trailing in the middle of october closed the race up over the last two, two and a half weeks of the campaign. this goes back to bob dole in 1996, al gore in 2000, john kerry, '04, mccain, and romney in '12. they all closed it up and that's happening again this time. >> larry, do you agree with t t that? >> not fully. i agree with most of what carl said. there's no question there's a little tightening based on the fact some republican partisans are finally coming to trump. not all of them.
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there are a lot of never trumps but some are coming onboard and his favorabilities have gone up about eight points. now that's not equivalent to votes. that's favorability. but let's give the big picture here. there were three other national polls by respectable pollsters released today at the very same time. one showed clinton up by nine. the second one showed clinton up by nine. and the third one showed clinton up by 14. which one is right? of course you're going to say, well, it's our fox poll. i'm going to tell you, as i always do, megyn, i'm a broken record, use the polling averages and the polling averages don't show that much change. >> what do you make, though, when you look at the numbers in the fox poll -- we like it -- we like it every night not just tonight, all the nights. we believe in our peeps, but, carl, the independents do make a difference. you have independents favoring trump over clinton by 13 points
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now. he had a seven-point advantage with them last week, and two weeks ago he had no advantage with the independents. they were tied. so in two weeks' time he's flipped it on independents big time. big league. >> let's be a little careful. again, i agree with dr. sabitos. don't look to just depend on one poll. inside any poll when you're talking about independents, they're a relatively small segment of the entire sample so you have greater deviation among that sample size. the small er the sample size th more unpredictability and it particularly with independents who tend to be weakly anchored to any choice. it's where they are today. good movement for him but the question will be where are they in 13 days and today is no determination of where they're going to be at the end. let me mention one other thing
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that dr. sabito brought up, there's been minor movement. let's put this into dimension, in clear perspective. ten days ago, 7.1. today 5.4. in the four-way race, 5.6%. that's nearly a two-point drop on a base of seven. that's movement. and not the greatest movement, but it's steady movement, probably not enough to guarantee this race gets down -- flips by the end unless it speeds up but it's nonetheless detectable movement when you average in all the polls. >> mm-hmm. larry, we talked last night on the program about how our fox news decision desk we use on election night do what you do, they look at the electoral college and how it's shaping up. they moved the second congressional district of maine left, they moved iowa left, they moved indiana left. you know, from tossup to leans whatever. i can't follow it all. they moved it one step left is the point, and toward hillary.
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do you still see the electoral college map doing that, too, in the states that matter, moving left as opposed to right? >> not uniformly. that's interesting because actually on iowa, for example, we have it as a total tossup, one of only two states we have as a complete tossup. so i don't completely agree but, yes, i have hillary clinton well ahead based on literally hundreds of polls included in the polling averages for each of these states. >> let me stop and ask you something. last night on the show we had a debate. people may have seen it about polls and whether we should believe them. newt gingrich was here saying he does not believe them and they're two alternate universes. the real one where trump is winning. what say you? >> i don't believe any single poll but if you put all the polls together while you can't
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wash out all the error and there's loads of error in every poll, you can wash out some of the error and you're going a gigantic sample. that makes it more accurate. one more thought before we finish. do you know as of today one-tenth of the people who are going to vote have already cast their ballot. 10%. every day it goes up by millions, as karl notes, because he's been through this. and so we're into election day. >> karl, if you were advising donald trump at this point, i mean, does he need a game changer with two weeks left? his momentum is going the right way. but there's only two weeks left, 13 days actually. >> he needs to be more consistent. i don't think it was useful to spend today dedicating his hotel in washington, d.c., complimenting newt gingrich on having a food fight with you last night. that was not a good use of today. he has 13 days. every one of those days is
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precious and the day that he spends talking about his hotel in washington is not a day that he pushes the narrative of change and depicts himself as being the candidate for change and her as the candidate of the status quo. yeah, he needs something to help divvy this up. right today he leads in states, you know, everybody has it different. he doesn't even have all the m romney 206 electoral votes. utah and maine, too, which would give him 287. it's 187. he needs to shake this up somewhat. >> guys, great to see you both. >> thanks, megyn. >> thanks for having us. also tonight from awkward to ugly, wait until you see how some of the closest staffers are now describing her in the latest hack e-mails from wikileaks. we'll talk with david wool and robert zimmerman next. plus, we dug in with what's happening with obamacare in some
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breaking tonight, less than two weeks until election day and hacked e-mails from the account of hillary clinton's campaign chairman john podesta are raising new questions about mrs. clinton and her candidacy a. recent batch of e-mails published to wikileaks features some of mrs. clinton's closest staffers questioning her instincts and her judgment he s especially when it came to how she was handling her e-mail scandal. for more on that our chief national correspondent ed henry. ed? >> reporter: megyn, as soon as hillary clinton's e-mail scandal broke she, of course, downplayed it significant. her top advisers suggested again and again this was just another unfair attack from the right. that's not what they were saying in private. a close aide is admitting in a march 7, 2015, e-mail there is just no good answer for the server. we need to gut through the p process phase, get them all out there, let the content do the
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talking. three days later the aides not confident they had good answers let clinton go out to a news conference at the united nations and suggest she did have the answers. >> i have absolute can haonfide that everything that could be in any way connected to work is now in the possession of the state department. >> reporter: one of many statements clinton made that day that have come under fire. the new wikileaks shows that led to infighting among some of her advisers. after "the new york times" first revealed the existence of a private e-mail account liberal activist tanden wrote her instincts are terrible and her policies are an achilles heel teed off on sheryl mills. john podesta agreed saying unbelievable. in fairness one e-mail joked clinton is the e-mail er in chif
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did say the candidate showed hold a transparency day to release e-mails and transcripts of wall street's speeches way back in march of 2015. if they had listened to him a lot of this may not have happened. >> ed, thank you. david wool, attorney and donald trump supporter, and robert zimmerman, a democratic strategist and hillary clinton supporter. good to see you both. >> good evening. >> robert, tell us about this tanden, the mvp of the e-mails. very frank and seems to tell it like it is. >> mira tanden is one of the great, great talents, one of the superstars of public policy and national politics. >> she is saying hillary's instincts could be terrible, she wants to get away with it with the e-mails and the server. >> megyn, we don't know she was saying that. all we know she these are hacke e-mail that is were stolen by russia. >> they haven't denied it. >> excuse me, let's point out russia has documented editing e-mails they released and
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fabricating e-mails. >> there were some people had created fake that were online and the clinton camp was quick to say those are fake. we have not heard that. this sounds like neera. i know her a little bit. >> actually, it really doesn't, megyn. >> yes, it does. she's a straight shooter unlike the way you're being right now. she knew it just like the american people know it, david, that they wanted to get away with it. that's why they didn't put it out there that she was using the private server. >> can we stop embracing russia by validating their e-mails and watching donald trump -- >> we've mentioned that many times and done whole segments on it. now we're going to talk about what neera is saying. david? >> this is like a shoplifter getting caught by surveillance video and saying the is yo surveillance video is lying. look, hillary clinton is arrogant, she's cavalier, she's reckless but she's not dumb, megyn. she went into this sort of like
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a white collar criminal case recent ly where the person involved in it basically, let me get this straight, had assurances from the top of the food chains that there would be no consequence it is to their actions. this is exactly -- very similar but an embezzlement case. i find that to be similar. that has to be what happened here, robert, the investigation pointed to criminal conduct. there's no question about it. all the agents involved in the investigation -- >> hold on. >> charges should be filed and, guess what, they weren't. >> this is what i want to ask robert. what we've seen in the e-mails, it's one of those you walk away thinking with friends like these who needs enemies. of course no one would fare very well with all e-mails were made public, in their defense. but they complain about her judgment. they complain about what they perceive as a lack of her core. that there's no message, that she seems to be relying on the
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speechwriters for everything as opposed to the one dictating to them what she stands for and it leaves you with a sense of hollowness. >> megyn, she'll leave with you a accepts of hollowness and outrage the fact you have vladimir putin and russia trying to undermine our democracy. >> excuse me, megyn, let me finish my point. excuse me, larry. i didn't interrupt you, and let's be clear about this. let's be clear -- >> he changes it every time, david. it's kind of fun. >> i'll be larry or moe. >> i'm so sorry, david. >> it's david. >> the fact that russia is, in fact, undermining our democracy trying to sabotage our election and we're not talking about that, that donald trump is embracing vladimir putin's agenda. >> can you just talk about the e-mails? are you going to defend her or not? >> no, because the issue, you can't talk about the e-mails because you have no idea if they're valid. it's been documented they've been edited. >> i have to go. >> every release has been accurate for ten years. no question about it. >> and russia doesn't have false
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from the world headquarters of fox news it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. with a dozen days to move the needle, governor mike pence tonight is in colorado springs imploring republicans to vote for the gop nominee saying, come home, come on home. donald trump earlier held a rally in the must-win state of north carolina, polling neck and neck with hillary clinton, and he is suggesting that these swing states are starting to break his way. >> we're going to win north carolina. we're going to win florida, too. actually we're going to win florida, too. we're going to win ohio, and
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we're going to win iowa. >> we will win! we will win! >> we're winning in a lot of states. >> chief political correspondent carl cameron reports from that last rally. carl? >> reporter: thanks, megyn. it's clear as we head into the final stretch the pace of the race is accelerating a tremendous amount, more events, a lot more polls, and more controversy. today trump went to his hotel in d.c. and here in north carolina later in the day had another event where he was talking to african-americans and minorities and laid many of their problems it at the feet of illegal immigration and hillary clinton. >> one of the greatest betrayals has been the issue of immigration. illegal immigration violates the civil rights of african-americans. that's what's been happening. [ applause ] no group has been more economically harmed by decades of illegal immigration than low-income african-american
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workers. >> reporter: clinton today mocked trump saying he was trying to take care of business but hasn't been taking care of the voters. tomorrow clinton will be here in north carolina campaigning on the trail for the first time with first lady michelle obama while trump will head to ohio for three major rallies. megyn? >> carl, thank you. a team trump insider had this to say on sunday. if the gop loses the senate it's not because candidates ran with donald trump but because they ran from him. no time for wimps. not a wimp more a wuss, governor mike huckabee. so let's start with someone -- wimp, wuss, or something else, ch chafitz said i'm done, i'm done, and withdrew his endorsement.
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then he said he's voting for him. hillary clinton is that bad. >> she is that bad. what we've learned -- >> how do you rate him? what is he? is he a wimp, a wuss, what is he? he's withdrawing the endorsement. >> he's beginning to grow a little spine. any republican, anybody who understands how corrupt the clintons are, who gets it, that she is surrounded by people who have never told her no, she sets up a private e-mail server, she lies to congress, she destroys evidence that's under subpoena, she treats foreign governments like they're a piggy bank for the clinton foundation to make her family rich. she violates the law whenever she wants to. she knows she's not going to get caught. she uses the government agencies like the fbi and the irs like they're her own personal toys to go after political opponents. good gosh, megyn, is there any republican who has breath left
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who could stand back and let that happen without doing everything they can to stop it, and the only roadblock in the way to that level of corruption that would forever taint our government is donald trump. like him or not, he's the shot we've got and we'd better get behind him with energy. >> well, that's the question. do they like him better than they like her? they don't seem to like either one of them. >> they'd better. they'd better. >> let me ask you whether you think trump is doing what he ought to be doing the last 13 days. he came under some fire today for being at the opening of the old post office, a building he's put a lot of money into and a lot of work into. and he was like, hey, i deserve a day to go. he came under significant criticism for wasting half a day and we only have 13 days left. do you agree? >> you know, it's nonsense. if donald trump had gone into some type of cathedral to pray, laid on his face and prayed to god for two hours, the people would have said he was wasting
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his time because god wouldn't have heard him. that hotel represents it's about the only thing in washington, d.c., that actually works. it's one of the few things in that city that was ever brought in it under budget and on time. nothing else works. it's a great way for donald trump to say just like i built this hotel, that's how i will lead the country because i know how things are supposed to work. we need somebody who will be that champion. >> there was a remarkable exchange outside of the event. there was an anti-trump protester who took on the daughter of a u.s. veteran over the u.s. flag. watch this. >> the army, this is a disgrace. due want to know why? that flag. >> i am standing up for the american flag. >> that american flag -- >> it stands for all of us. >> that [ bleep ] flag, what
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does it mean to you? >> you're trying to say this god given nation. it's a nation taken from its native people so how is it a god given nation? you took it. you took it. >> thoughts on that? >> it just stuns me that somebody who grew up in this country could believe we are what that latte sipping idiot must have been thinking when she said that. >> tell us how you really feel. >> i'm a person who has grown up living the american dream. i worked my butt off to get through college. nobody in my family, nobody had graduated from high school. on god given's planet in which a person like me growing up like i did could live the life i've been able to live. i didn't do it by screaming and burning the flag. i respect the country and
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appreciating the men and women who shed their blood so i could live with liberty, freedom and opportunity and take advantage of it. my gosh, what's happened to this country? what are we teaching these people if they don't have a modicum of appreciation for what the veterans have done to make us free. god help us if there are many people who think like that idiot. >> so you're not -- going to put you down in the not a fan category for the sentiment she was expressing. >> not a fan. >> can i just ask you one more, so much emotion. she felt it deeply and we see that in the country right now, left versus right, blue versus red, hillary versus trump and supporters on both sides. it always gets especially bad right before the election, 2012 the same, 2008 the same. do you feel it, too, and do you think whoever wins there will be a healing, or is this especially
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did i v >> it is especially divisive but the healing comes if we have a leader who will start fixing things and start bringing equality back. why i worry about hillary is not about her being a democrat. look, i've known hillary a long time. i know exactly while this election is coming to an end because i've seen it, i've lived it, i've experienced it, and that's what scares me. here is what i want whether it's trump -- and i hope to god it s is -- but the fact is i believe donald trump understands the people out there in america who swing, hammers, stand on concrete floors, deliver four plates up and down their arm to a table of diners. i think donald trump has at least an appreciation for people who do the work that often is neglected. i don't think hillary could give a rip about the people out there lifting heavy things and getting their hands dirty and greasy. she looks at them as the great unwashed, people unworthy of her other than to be put in her basket of deplorables. that's my prayer. that's not about partisanship. it's about making america
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america again. and as trump might say, to make it great again. >> governor, great to see you. >> thanks, megyn. well, in the middle of the obamacare debate we heard warnings that premiums would y skyrocket, healthy folks would not sign up and the whole thing would start to collapse and we were told that was all nonsense and a bunch of fox news bs, and now we're seeing all of that come true. so will this help donald trump at the polls with less than two weeks to go? next on that. you can run an errand.
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the affordable care act has done what it was designed to do. it gave us affordable health care. >> that was president obama just last week talking about how affordable it is to have obamacare. we are learning not only are premiums jumping by 25% on average, they are up almost double or triple that number in some swing states, and that could lead to some political fallout on election day. trace gallagher with the numbers. trace? >> reporter: megyn, as the candidate hillary clinton has aligned herself very closely with president obama defending his economic record and praising him for pushing through obamacare. now she find herself having to defend obamacare numbers that come from the administration itself. you mentioned 25% average premium increases in 39 states,
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but it's the premium increases in battleground states that may prove most damaging to camp clinton like a 40% increase in north carolina, 53% in pennsylvania, 116% in arizona. back in september before they released these numbers a kaiser foundation poll found 6 in 10 adults said the candidates' plans to address the cost of health insurance would be very important to their vote for president and now health care is donald trump's number one talking point. he tweeted, quote, obamacare is a disaster. rates going through the sky. ready to explode. i will fix it. hillary can't. #obamacarefail. and here is trump on the trail. watch. >> from the beginning i said it wasn't going to work, and it didn't work. it didn't work. and it's going to get worse. and hillary clinton wants to keep it. >> reporter: and, yes, hillary clinton does want to keep it,
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but she is also calling for modifications. watch. >> we're going to really tackle that. we're going to get co-pays and premiums and deductibles down. we're going to tackle prescription drug costs and we can do that without ripping away the insurance people now have. >> reporter: meantime senate candidates in tight races are also jumping on the anti-obamacare bandwagon. megyn? >> trace, thank you. chris stirewalt is also with us tonight, so, chris, this is a political issue. it's number one for donald trump and it remind people of an issue that helped the republicans capture the senate just -- yeah, right? >> and the house. >> and the house a couple years ago. >> and remember the lie of the year. >> you can keep your plan, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period. >> not so much. period, asterisk. the reality we face today is that probably all the people who
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will vote in this election have already voted. the clock is running. like sands through the hourglass, these are the ballots of our lives. >> but 90% haven't. >> you make a good point. >> see my math? see what i did there? >> journalism math. we did it. the reality for donald trump this is the perfect moment to have this talking point because this is something that appeals to the voters that he's talking about, the people that are hurt here are not lower income people. the people are not upper income people, these are middle class -- the middle of the middle class and a lot of these are suburban voters and they happen to be in some very important swing states. >> you look at the numbers, arizona 116% increase, chris. 116%. these are not -- we're not talking about rich voters who can handle a couple hundred bucks extra on these rates. >> no, a lot of this will be f
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offset with the welfare component of this. there are subsidies here. but even so -- >> who pays for that? >> well, you know who. >> all of us. >> that's right. so we certainly have that component in those states and we look up to pennsylvania where donald trump's probably not going to be able to close at the end but republicans are desperate to hold on to the senate majority and it's pat toomey there, kelly ayotte in hnew hampshire, and other republicans are trying to hold on in blue states. this is exactly the kind of argument that they can make to their voteers to say, look, make you're voting hillary clinton at the top of the ticket but have a check on her when she comes in, if she comes in to office so we don't end up with something worse. >> good to see you, chris. >> yes, ma'am. >> joining us now austin ghouls by, who was president obama's chief economist, along with the foremost experts on health. let me start with you. we had you on all the time when we launched "the kelly file" and the obamacare was a big story
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and you were predicting left and right that there were -- that it wasn't going to work, that there would be rate hikes, that the premiums would go sky high, that there would be rate shock. you were mocked. do you feel vindicated and how did you know? >> well, i mean, i'm not at all happy to be right. i feel very sorry for the people whose premiums have gone up an average of 126% over the last four years. we've been talking about this 25% or 22% rate hike for 2017. the cumulative effect since obamacare went online is 126%. so, yes, there are some people whose incomes are close to the poverty line who are benefiting from taxpayer funded subsidies. they're not going to see the premiums. but for a lot of people in the middle class, a lot of people struggling to afford health insurance, they're seeing big hikes. and that's why when obamacare was launched, the congressional budget office projected that 21
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million people would be enrolled in the exchanges. only 12 million are as of 2016. >> what about that, austin? the numbers have fallen short considerably and you can hear the consumer displeasure when you talk to folks suffering these rate hikes. >> yes, i'm not disputing that there are markets where they have had less take up than predicted and that's why the costs are coming in higher. >> they don't have enough healthy people in the risk pool. >> i think this is -- be a little careful. first this is only for people who are buying their health care on the exchanges. it's around 3% of the country. for 97% of the country, what we're talking about here has no bearing on them at all. and health care costs inflation overall in the economy the lowest in 50 years. and the second is these rate increases are high percentages, but the overall affordability in
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most of the markets is still quite good. so you have more than 70% of people are able to buy health insurance at less than 75 bucks a month which is far less than, "a," what they were able to buy before there was obamacare. >> avik is smiling. it's not the nice kind of smile. it has a tinge of mocking to it. go ahead, avik. >> not mocking but there are about 30 million people who are supposed to enroll in exchange based insurance and another 10 million people who were supposed to buy insurance in the off exchange individual market. that's more than 13% of the country not 3% of the country. and those are the people whose premiums are going up. austan mentioned 70% of the people are benefiting from subsidies now, but there are tens of millions who aren't signing up because they can't afford the premiums, they can't afford the co-pays, they can't afford the deductible. this it problem will continue and what's going to be very interesting is in 2017, in 2018, have we reached a plateau of how
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many people will sign up for the obamacare based exchanges. and another thing i should mention, megyn, people talk about the subsidies, the subsidies are going to cover everything. the subsidies over the long term only grow at a formula that's indexed to inflation. so if premiums on the exchange grow 6% a year -- >> they're not going to cover everything. austan, i will give you the final word. >> what matters is the overall health care cost inflation rate and if this -- if we maintain the affordability then they will work. if we don't and we can't get people to sign up, we will have to fix it. but for the people who lit the burgers on fire, those aren't the people who should be complaining the meat is overcooked. republicans are discouraging people from signing up, so it's happening in red states. >> great to see you both. thank you. >> thanks, megyn. still ahead, sheryl crow on 2016. ♪ if it makes you happy ♪
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by the time americans go to cast their ballots on november 8th the 2016 election cycle will
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have been in swing for nearly 600 days. >> i want to kill myself. >> right. god. now singer and activist sheryl crow is calling for shorter seasons writing online we cannot sustain another lengthy slugfest like what we have witnessed for two years and ask both the dnc and rnc to reform the process and shorten the election season. joining me now is sheryl crow. nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> it's overload. no? >> i mentioned it on "the view" and hit from all angles. will you do a petition? where can i sign it? >> how can we make that happen? >> shorten the process? >> uh-huh. >> well, i think that we are going to have be thoughtful about it. we have to defend our freedom of speech which is clearly something i care about because it's how i make my living. if this is an issue on the ballot, i'm sure unanimously
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people vote to not have to go through this again and to think about starting november 9th anyone throws the name in the hit. >> first the impeachment process whoever wins. >> that's tricky. i will have a petition for that. >> yeah. realistically, very hard. but what you are speaking to is a larger malaise that there is never ending and vitriolic and divisive and so long. it's a massive downer. >> here's the thing. two years of a campaign does not educate anyone anymore than it would have if it was six months. the argument that the things coming out in the last couple of months, they would still come out in the last couple of months. that's when all the bombshells come out is generally right before the election. instead, it is not benefited anyone, not been anymore enlightening and benefited the media outlets and political consultants and people that work on elections and superpacs and
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lobbyists. we have to get away from that, change the dialogue and we need to do that for the future of the country and our kids. >> you are a democrat but you came from a mixed household. right? your mom was a democrat. your dad a staunch republican. how did your mom win and did it lead to trouble with you and your dad? >> i mean truth be told, my mom and probably most of the women wear the pants in the family. right? huh oh. huh oh. abort, abort. no. it's -- it was funny because when i was 18 ronald reagan was -- was up against the incumbent and they were going to cancel out each other's vote and secretly they went to the kids and campaigning and nice thing about it was you didn't have all of the social media and the bombardment of dialogue that went on. you had walter con cite, the debates, newspaper. >> and then you voted. >> and then you voted. >> i remember seeing you invesco
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field when barack obama accepted the nomination and pillars and played music was beautiful. how do you feel he fared? because even he's admitted that the promise i think many people felt that day that there wasn't going to be so much blue and red and partisanship and even he admitted it was not possible. >> i think that this petition is going to address one small thing. there's so many things to be addressed in the government from term limits to also the fact that our government's been in the stalemate for whatever reason and we can't have that. i think our public figures sometimes forget they're representing a massive constituency and people putting money in the pockets, lobbyists, special interests, they're -- they're getting make the decisions. and that can't be solved with a petition. this can. >> got to go. sheryl crow is voting for hillary clinton. we'll find out in the break if she really means it. thank you. .
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i stand corrected. sheryl crow is not saying who's she's voting for. hmm. she was voting for barack obama and not saying this time. what do you think? facebook.com/kelly file. see you tomorrow at 9:00. tonight -- >> make sure you get out and vote. >> trump battles to win key swing states. plus, skyrocketing obamacare premiums prove the president was not telling you the truth about his plan. >> we will start by reducing premiums. your premiums will go down. >> former speaker of the house gingrich is here tonight with reaction to it all. >> i'll tell you what. the media, folks is no good. no good. >> a new show shows the biassed liberal news media is in the tank for hillary clinton. talker carlson, monica crowly, judge pirro weigh in and