because that will be the key to potential reelection. we wait for this big moment for trump to arrive at the white house but i will see you at 7:00 tonight. >> to our colleagues at "happening now". >> we begin with a fox news alert as president obama welcomes president-elect trump to the white house for the first time. this marks the start of a peaceful transfer of power that defines our democracy. welcome to "happening now" with both of us in our normal seats. you are back from north carolina. jenna: as you look at that shot i can't help but think we moved homes before. we talked about that over the past several years. moving is always stressful. i wonder what it will be like for donald trump and melania to arrive at the white house. this will be their home, not just a new job.

the weight of the position. this is where we are going to live. john: not many people have inhabited that house. it might be a downsizing by mister trump. very well could be. jenna: jackie kennedy did interesting thing that the white house, that broadcast, she did some redecorating, that was something for her as first lady that connected her to the american public. not suggesting that is what donald trump and melania will do but they have a certain aesthetic. one wonders, there are changes they can make as the inhabitants and i wonder what it might be. john: i remember political cartoons that show the white house stacked up many stories high with a big trump sign on top. i don't think that is going to happen. jenna: it will be beautiful wh it is.

the president and donald trump had few face-to-face interactions. both vowed to put past differences aside. and we will look back on that. we will focus on what is ahead. john: joe biden will host his successor mike pence, that happens later this afternoon and first lady michelle obama, giving melania a private tour. mister trump, and selecting his cabinet and hundreds, thousands of appointees with roles in all the key departments of government. jenna: every team does it come alive fox team coverage. outside the capital club in dc trump and pens meet with paul ryan in an hour. the meeting is high up on the

list. live at the white house for all of this, leland. >> reporter: good morning to you. president-elect trump has arrived here at the white house although this marine guard has taken for the personal, it was a week ago president obama was on stage all over the country talking about how donald trump was unfit to be president. now these two men are sitting there in the oval office and as far as we can tell, this is the

first time the two of them have formally met and sat down and spoken together. put all those things together and make your own conclusion about the tension inside the oval office right now. next comes the political part of this conversation. these two men who have divergent world views and views of america. both president obama and president-elect trump have one his campaign on a are even dumb of the next 8 years. whether it's climate change, or about the iran deal that president-elect trump has vowed to repeal. all these issues we see vastly different on. next comes the practical issue which is just 72 days when president trump comes here as the president.

70,000 jobs have to be filled. the last president to do it would be president obama 8 years ago. perhaps there will be advice about that. there will be a meeting between melania trump and the first lady. the obama children came here about the same age baron trump is when he arrived here at 10 years old in little more than 72 days. there are also optics going on behind these closed doors. when we saw president obama come out to the rose guard on try to bring the american people together, the white house staff was in tears. now the same white house staff are welcoming president-elect trump to the white house. going forward, this is how this works.

11:05, the meeting was scheduled to start at 11:00. we are told the men met on the south lawn behind the camera position. so we didn't get to see that. they then went into the oval office. we know that meeting is going on. the white house pool has been called to gather at 11:30. this one camera and a couple wire services reporters. and a producer who will walk into the oval office at the end of this meeting. we have seen those pictures a lot. those will be played back out. the question, of course is will we hear anything from president-elect trump and president obama. will they make any brief comments. we are told there are some type of brief comments to be made to the pool that will be played back out a couple minutes after it happens. the pool will be able to shout

out a couple of questions. the things to look for over the next half-hour as we await that first image of those two men sitting in the oval office. president obama sitting there in his usual chair as president and the president-elect who will take over the office in 72 days. what about the body language between these two men. how do they interact with each other after such harsh words. then we'll wait to see their comments coming out from the white house. it could be 20-30 minutes, depending on how long this meeting goes. clearly after this campaign there are a lot of issues on the table. jon: be a fly on the wall. as we await the outcome of that meeting an important luncheon taking place as donald trump, mike pence and speaker ryan

begin to chart the course for the house agenda. >> it will be all republicans come january. behind us at capitol hill club, that's where donald trump and mike pence and speaker of the house paul ryan are set to break bread at some point in the next hour and a half. the president-elect and vice president-elect will head across the street to mitch mcconnell's office. because there won't be a democratic majority. there will be a lot less resistance to his agenda after being sworn in. today we expect these republican leaders to talk about two of trump's biggest campaign promises, repealing obamacare and building a wall on the southern border. that's not all. there are also time sensitive matters on the lunch table. funding the government and the

debt limit. speaker ryan and president obama will have to iron out a plan to keep the government funded. ryan may want to work with trump to see if the new president wants the government funded through march when we hit the debt limit. we don't know of any plans by trump or pence to meet with any democrats in washington today other than president obama today. but today's visit to d.c. marks the real start of the transition from the obama administration to the trump administration. john? >> peter doocy in washington. what a fascinating day. thank you. >> to be grossly generalistic, you could put half of trump supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables.

right? racist, sexist why xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. jenna: that might have fired up her base, it was certainly controversial and poured fuel on to the passion of trump supporters. the headlines, deplorables rise up to reshape america. they wrote many of his loyal followers used the insult as a badge of honor. the trump army cut a deep swath through the american system propelling the republican nominee to the most stunning victory in modern american history. jenna: when i hear deplorable all i think of is the hashtag on social media is adorable

deplorable. as we look ahead, talk to us about that comment and what group it was referring to and what it means now. >> the point i was just making is that the trump legions did embrace the term. they say okay, call me a deplorable and they used it as a motivating tool as you said in the piece. i think a lot of this election was about the trump base being highly motivated and showing up in the polls with great level of enthusiasm than the clinton voters in some places. that's how this election got decided. one of the things the trump campaign tried to do to excite the base was that hillary clinton did something right there that helped them do that. the same thing happened on the other side. the clinton base was trying to get itself motivated by being

against donald trump. jenna: there is one line that you wrote in your piece. you said mr. trump and his followers have tranls formed the gop from a conservative party to an avowedly populist one. what does it mean having a populist president but maybe -- not necessarily populist congress, talk to us about that dynamic as well. >> it's a good question. populist can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. it means scepticism of the stabment and scepticism of big institutions. and that includes the republican party. and even scepticism of a republican-led congress. there was a lot of anger directed at the republican-led

congress as well as the democratic leadership. big institutions have failed us. the smaller institutions and more local institutions work better. i think the populism we are talking about right now, that's what donald trump tapped into. the trick is to recognize that's as big a problem for his republican party as it is for the democratic party. jenna: that could be a good thing. >> it could be, absolutely. in a way he doesn't owe anything to anybody on either side. there was not a lot of support for donald trump in the republican establishment in washington and none in the democratic establishment. he comes to town with very few natural and obvious allies. but he doesn't owe anybody anything and he can govern almost as an independent. he won the campaign with an

enormous amount of help from the republican party and chairman vines priebus. it wasn't that he was -- an entirely independent candidate. jenna: people voted for hillary clinton weeks before the election. i ran into him the next day after donald trump had won. he said one of the things he liked about trump is he didn't owe anybody anything and both parties did have a problem with him at one point. and he felt good about that. i wonder what this win means not only for the deplorables and the population. but what it means for the democrat party as well and how it could impact that group. >> both parties are going to do a let of soul searching in the

wake of this election. on the republican side donald trump basically told the republican party by winning we'll change our position on immigration and trade. we'll change our position on entitlement reform. that's going to be hard to swallow in the republican party. in the democratic party there will be support on a different policy on trade. but on other issues, not so much. democrats will have to decide who is leaving this party and there will be an attempt to pull the party in the bernie sanders direction among people who said we told you so if we had had a clear, more lib central choice to donald trump, we would have been better off. there will be repositioning in both parties and it will be significant. >> i'm curious. what do you think is going on in this meeting between president obama and donald trump. sufficient seen a lot of these

meeting go by. what do you think you will be watching for today. >> when i worked for a living i was a white house reporter for a while. one thing about the white house and the west wing and oval office. it's very intimidating in a way. everybody who walks in there regardless of what position they have, what partisan affiliation they have, in a way it's humbling to everybody who is there and i think that atmosphere calms everybody down. i assume it will be a sober but pleasant conversation. and things will have to just be left on the side and probably unsaid. i think that one of the things president obama did extraordinarily well was to say in this country we do peaceful and calm transitions of power. it's the hallmark of our democracy. and he sent those orders around the white house. that's the spirit of this conversation.

it's remarkable how well people can leave campaign receipt rickd cam opinion rhetoric behind. jenna: what else on 0 your list of things you hope for. >> i wrote a column that said a good start would be to return to a civil debate in this country. that's one of the things in the campaign that really hurt. it was the trump campaign that started people down that path. then everybody was in the game. i think that -- melania trump of all people made a similar points before the election. it's a small thing, but i would start with agree to disagree agreeably. jenna: that's a good phrase, thank you very much. jerry sykes of the "wall street

journal." he does have a real job despite what he said. jenna: i was looking at whether we saw donald trump on twitter yesterday and we didn't. he is now the president-elect. you didn't see him tweet about the evening of the victory party. but we also heard melania trump talk about social media and the power of it. one wonders, he did change his bio to president-elect so we are all clear. we'll see if he has anything to say. jon: he gets the new twitter handle. barack obama was the first president to use twitter, and he adopted the name@potus. he offered to bequest that to trump and he can use that handle if he wishes. >> if you have several different

twitter accounts, you have to be careful to use the right one. i'm sure there will be a careful look at how much control will be over that. we'll see. he has his own choices to make as leader of the free world. jon: as we continue to watch for the video we expect will emerge more men terribly from that meeting between the president and president-elect. mr. trump received a special tribute as his 757 taxied on the runway in new york city this morning en route to washington, d.c. that's a water salute courtesy of the port authority police, aircraft rescue and firefighting unit. that's something they do for visiting dignitaries. two engines spray the plane what water. we are told they did that for

sully sullenberger after the bird strike in 2009. th aren't many executives who head companies who get a plane 757. the head guy of google has a nice big plane. paul allen the head of microsoft has a nice big plane. but usually when you move to a new job you don't get to upsize your plane either. he gets to move up from a 757 to a 747. president bush said that's one of the things he misses most about not being president is the 747, air force one. jenna: i guess you can understand that. jon: i would miss it in a big way. jenna: you can see that video there were those on the side sleuthing and waving. that must have been quite a moment from inside the plane to witness that. and the new real station things

have changed. jon: remember these days. most pollsters had hillary clinton winning the election by a landslide. take a look at sabato's crystal ball. their prediction was clinton would amass 322 electoral votes. in reality she ended up with 100 fewer. here is the final headline of the crystal ball. "mea culpa." the managing editor of sabato's crystal ball at university of virginia's center for politics. i devoured your book several times why ohio picks the president. once again ohio was on the side of the winner. >> i got something right anyway.

jonanyway.what's interesting abt ohio is it was more republican compared to the nation than it had been in any election before the new deal. ohio may be -- we saw throughout the midwest, maybe trending republican over time here. if the changes that donald trump created in the electric rapt actually last, presumably his reelection and future election. >> before we get into the reasons for why just about everybody got it wrong were i have got to say you weren't the only ones who got it wrong. the fox scorecard on election eve had hillary clinton wing with an electoral vote count of 274 was our fox prediction with trump well just above 200. and when you look at that map compared of how the election actually turned out. there were a bunch of states

that just about everybody missed. kyle, what happened? >> donald trump was able to defend some states he needed to win in north carolina which mitt romney won and also until which ended up being a close result. and the key was that he won a string of very close victories in the so-called blue wall in the midwest and the rust belt. if he won pennsylvania by a point. michigan looked like it was decided by less than a point. and you know, there was some good commentary before the election from ron brown stein putting out the idea that clinton might have been overextending herself on the electoral map look at states like arizona or defending ohio* or going to north carolina. neglecting the traditionally democratic told industrial states. and sure enough that cost her

the election. michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania did it. jon: let me read in our viewers, we heard for months from many of you saying we were under estimating the size of a potential hidden trump vote and his ability to win. we didn't believe it and we are wrong. the crystal ball is shattered. we'll pick up the pieces starting next week as we try top look at what happened in this election. doesn't it come down to the questions you ask of people and the honesty in their answers. just asking people whether they are a likely voter is a loaded question, isn't it? >> one thing i think a lot of us did realized before the election. there was going to be some significant changes in some traditionally blue collar democratic places that would swing toward trump.

the greater youngstown area swung towards trump. i think ultimately a lot of republicans who live in those kinds of places who might have been lukewarm on trump didn't swing to clinton. maybe they didn't show up. again in some of those key rust belt battlegrounds she just needed to do a little bit better in the suburbs and i don't think she did it. >> is it a case of donald trump wing the election or hillary clinton losing. >> i would say a combination of the two. i think trump did make impressive gains in traditionally democratic places. but ultimately we don't have the final vote count. but it looks like it will be more of a drop for clinton for obama 2012 opposed to trump getting maybe about the same amount of votes that mitt romney or maybe even less.

there are several million outstanding votes particularly in california. let's not draw too many conclusion from what we think are the final vote counts because they are not final yet. jon: you are going to put the crystal ball back together again? >> we'll do our best. jenna: we have some numbers as kyle mentioned. we don't have all the votes in. so we are off rating from the numbers we do have. as of right now it looks like clinton got 6 million votes less than barack obama did in 2012. mr. trump got about 1 million votes less than 2012. and that's something joe trippi has been. we are awaiting video from this

meeting taking place. a lot of questions about what's happening behind closed doors. i saw you on twitter talking about turnout and how significant you think it is. from the preliminary numbers, what's your read on this? > > it's a relatively low turnout election. the hillary clinton turnout machine didn't function and get the vote out. i looked at 2004. and she barely is getting the same number of votes john kerry got. forget about obama. millions. people:registered in vote in higher numbers since 2004. but the fascinating thing is the numbers for trump. he is getting about 3 million fewer votes than george bush got in 2004, despite more people registering and is getting as you said about a million votes short of what romney got.

all the votes aren't in. it will change a little. i thought we were going to see some big surge, trump did get out the voters that were missing. i doanlt think that happened. -- i don't think that happened. the hillary clinton campaign didn't get out the votes in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. they just didn't turn out. jenna: that's a good question. whether clinton lost this election or trump won it. obviously trump won it. he wouldn't presidency. >> trump did win the election. trump turned out his base. one of the things about polling -- and i always argue that we take polls -- their measurement of a day. but we have elections to see if the polls are right. this time the election proved the polls aren't always right. they are a moment in time. anybody who knows anything about

this games looks at the nastiest most negative campaign, in the 50 years i have been around campaigns. that's a natural turnoff to voters. they weren't happy with either choice. the trump supporters wanted change for drastically than the status quo which were the clinton voters. for months and months the inevitable nominee and president was hillary clinton. the trump people felt strongly the way to stop that was to get out the turnout. he did very well. he ranch strong than romney did four years ago. jenna: we are not trying to take anything away from donald trump's victory. what did the voting look like? i want to turn to something else. as you mentioned this is the nastiest campaign you have seen

in 50 years. i wonder how you would advise mr. trump to make a turn from that. in order to rule he's going to need to make a turn. how so? >> having served in the white house, and i have lots of memories as we watch it transition. the most amazing thing about a transition, at 12:01 january 20 when the president is sworn in, president obama leaves that building, gets in his limousine, goes to the hill. he comes back. it's a totally different place. all his pictures, desk, senior staff is gone. the new team comes in. to a certain extent that's the beauty of american politics. what he has to do at this point in time is take his base and build on it. to be successful with a still divided congress, the margins are thin. you have got to go to the country. you have got to make the country support you and want your

programs. so he has got to continue to do the sales job he did in a positive way about his programs to have the great success he will. reagan came in with a short agenda, rebuild the defense of the country, lower taxes, get government spending under control. kept going to the country. the country bombarded the congress with phone calls and the congress supported him. jenna: manage it leave your house one day to go to work and you come back for lunch and the furniture is rearranged. >> when i was assistant secretary of transportation. when president carter came in and secretary coleman went to get back in his limousine after the swearing in, he said you no longer have your car, get into the van with the other cabinet officers. there was a security guard standing there say you have to go in the public elevator. they basically say mr. secretary

we moved our stuff down to a windowless office, kind his transition office. for him it was a humiliating day. for me it was my pl -- it was my ph.d in government. >> you walk in, you are scared. at least i had some experience prior to it. but it's like -- the white house is a very small place. there are 3 places you need in the white house. you meet and fight with the same 8-10 people he day about issues. but it's a small place it's a quiet place. and as someone said earlier, with it's kind a sacred place. but you are in trench warfare 1 hours a day for months and months fighting over big issues.

the key thing for a president when i try to reassure people who are worried about trump. there is a mechanism in place, military, national security advisors will tell him here are the options you have. there are 2.5 million people work for the government. some of the best anywhere in the world. and the president has access to anybody he wants to have. jenna: it's a reminder we are not electing a king. >> it's a shared power. he has to meet with congressional leadership. they have a big role. it's like fox news, someone controls the air time and someone controls the budget. jenna: in our case it's the makeup department we appreciate. >> you don't need the makeup, joe and i need it. >> we need it. jenna: just stand by for a

moment, because we are expecting some new tape and video. we also have an additional guest as well. jon: i need to find out who controls the budget. bret baier, anchor of "special report." it occurs to me that these two men are polar opposites in terms of their politics. barack obama was on the stump last week talking about how donald trump is unfit for the presidency. all end cases are he will do everything he can to make this as seamless a transition as possible. when you think about all of those protesters out there fired up and cursing and burning things and so forth because donald trump has become president, maybe they ought to take a lesson from their

candidate, hillary clinton who was gracious in her concession speech, and from the president himself. >> the president's remarks in the rose garden were a perfect example of what a peaceful transition is supposed to be about dating back to the formal peaceful transition between the two presidents got an upgrate when eisenhower handled to john f. kennedy. it became a formal process. it was always one party to another can be so harsh on a campaign trail. but when you get to this point sitting in the oval office, it's a different feel, it's a different place. there is a respect to the office that comes in that room. and, you know, they are talking about things -- you can imagine -- these are two men who have huge personalities.

they have huge egos, they both do. but they also have i think it's fair to say, a huge love of the country. they wouldn't be in what they are doing if they didn't. you can imagine the conversation. hopefully we'll get a little bit of a fly on the wall about what they talked about. this an important moment for the country, and it's an important moment for this transition. jon: i remember when george w. bush opened the white house door to barack obama and his family on inauguration day, and we got that shot of a guy who had been in that office, in that house for 8 years and wanted someone from his own party to take the reins after he left. but that didn't happen. the bushes were gracious in welcoming the bawms to that

house. we are seeing some of that today reciprocated. bret: you will see the same images as we get closer to january 20. on the politics there is a stark reality. the obama legacy has changed. think about what happened on election day. it was not just donald trump and mike pence winning. it was note just the senate going to hold a republican senate and the house continuing to hold a republican house. look at the state legislatures around the country. look at the governors' offices around the country. this has been republican wins for now the mid-terms and now in the general election. that is the legacy of president obama. and it is going to be something that donald trump as president

is going to affect. he will take down these executive orders. he says he's going to repeople and replace obamacare and scrap the iran nuclear deal, at least that's what he said on the campaign trail. jenna: look at our you are jents. this is interesting. there are so many comparisons between this election and the vote brexit in the u.k. i'm seeing a readout of a call between the u.k. prime minister and president elect donald trump. the prime minister spoke to the u.s. president-elect donald trump earlier today to congratulate him on his hard-fought election campaign and victory. it goes on to say at the ends of the call that president-elect trump invited the prime minister to visit him as soon as possible. so the work begins now. even as president-elect. bret: definitely.

these world leaders are come together realization they need to get their heads around a trump administration. they just didn't, a lot of them. i talked to a number of am balances doers in washington who have been blown away. they assumed that of course it was going to be hillary clinton who won. but in the final week as it was getting closer, there were a lot of calls being made. tell me how trump is going to deal with xy and z? and these foreign leaders are coming to that place. i think the world will realize once it is a president trump on january 20 what his foreign policy will be. pretty soon out of the gate. and you will get a sense, a little bit, that the world will calm down from the jitters that they don't know what to expect. jon: the obama administration has made no secret of the fact that they are trying very hard to make a transition as seamless

as possible. they started earlier than past administrations in setting you have the mechanism to transfer power basically because it's not just the president and the vice president. there are house of people who work for the executive branch. talk to us about how you go about filling all those positions in the next 72 days. bret require's a massive job. there are 4,000 position that have to be filled in 72 days. this transition started with the trump campaign. chris christie was leading the transition process. on the clinton side city was ken salazar. 367 and the transition process started a long time ago. it is a massive job. and if you think about what ed rollins just said about the

switchover. imagine work at your job for 7 1/2 years, some of them, and then you are out. and somebody else is in. and you have to tell them, the ins and outs of whatever. where the paper clips are. so there is a little bit of right-left in these big jobs where people stay on to help the new incoming person get a sense of it. but it's a massive under taking. jon: so our viewers know who was waving. that's the technical crewletting the home office know the signal is still on. jenna: it might be confusing. we didn't actually get video of donald trump arriving at the white house. we have a pool camera and i'm seeing explanation that the pool camera missed the arrival.

that was not done on purpose. but the meting is have much happening at the white house. what we are waiting for, it's our understanding there will be comments from mr. trump and president-elect trump and president obama. that will be on tape and we'll be able to play that for you. ed and joe are back with us. ed, can you shed a little more light in the weeks coming up, knowing you are going to take a position inside the white house, what the preparation is like. and when you get there, what it's all like. >> the most interesting part of the process is the clearance process. it's not just the 4,000 appointees. there are cabinet officers and assistant second tears wh -- ast secretaries and undersecretaries.

i had a say in who got cleared. if you didn't vote you didn't get to be a presidential appointee, and if you weren't registered as a republican you weren't going to serve in our administration. then the presidential appointedees, the f.b.i. has 10 weeks. they look at he element of your life. sometimes you go in on a temporary way. sometimes the administration is there with a little bit of a holdover. most of them on the day of the inauguration are gone. they have one week or two weeks and they are gone. it's not like you walk in and someone will show you or tell you. i said to the director of policy in transportation, i said the secretary wants this done. he said young man, i have been mere for five secretaries, you are only going see this one. that won't work. jenna: it sounds like real life.

>> i remembered him when i became a white house guy, and to a certain extent i admired what he was teaching a kid some of the ropes. but it takes a little bit of time to get cranked up. there is a big mechanism in the white house that's there. the military plays a very important role. there is a lot of military people. about 1,000 assigned to the white house. they run the communications system, the food service. the moving around, the cars and drives are all driven by army people. the helicopters are flown by marine officers. air force one is flown by an air force. so the mechanism, you can walk in and pretty much get in the oval office and people will start bringing you stuff and you make the determination how much you want. jenna: a clear day, bright sunshine in november. when the new president moves into the office in january,

there is snow on the ground in washington, d.c., and i wonder what that moment was like for you ed when after the hub of the transition happened, you sort of showed up to work one day by yourself. you are looking at this building real sizerrizing this is the build -- realizing this is the building i'm going to work for. >> when i went into the reagan administration i was one of the few with experience. when you get to park along to the side here, there is an alley way. you sit and walk in, he time i was in the oval office. i think all the history that's been done here. it's a quiet place. there is not a lot of yelling and screaming. it's a very respectful of the president. you give hip the best advice you can. but at the end of the day the president needs to come in and start listening. there are a lot of smart people

in the white house and government. you need to listen to them. jenna: do you military, ed. >> sitting here watching it i miss it. but self people said would you go back? i was very involved with the trump super pac. i said i was glad i did it. i had an extraordinary career, sort of the top position at the white house. i would love to be a young man again. i couldn't do 16-hour days 7 days a week and that's what it takes. your life is consumed by that building. when i left the white house they were asking me -- i ran the president's campaign and went back the second term. the "new york times" did a profile. they said won't you miss the power? i said i never felt power in the building. i felt tired. i won't miss the tired. in those days we didn't have the blackberries. but they could get ahold you pretty quick. and you basically had 24-hour

day you are on call. 24 hours a day you did get called. jon: the two men, the president-elect and the sitting president are inside the oval office we presume still having that meeting. we expect we'll see video of that when it's wrapped up. one of our white house producers tells us there is some movement at the white house, if you will. the chief of staff who is often described as the second most powerful man in the world even above the vice president because he's the gatekeeper to the president. he was just spotted leading jared kushner around. he's close to donald trump, his son-in-law, and had a prominent role in this campaign. the second most powerful man in the world is leading around donald trump's son-in-law. they took a walk down the south lawn and everybody kind of

dispersed. a lot of movement at the white house today. i guess from your standpoint, joe, you represent the party that almost got there. and it must be a little wistful thinking this could have been hillary clinton going back to her old home where she probably still knows where all the china goes. >> i was in a lot of those rooms ed is talking about, particularly the roosevelt room during the clinton administration and he once in a while for meetings during the obama administration. and you -- you know, it's going to be -- it is that kind of a place where you don't feel the power, you just feel a ton of respect for the history as ed pointed out. i remember sitting in the roosevelt room being in awe of all the things that have happened in just that one room. but it's a very small place. i think trump -- it will be

interesting -- i think -- you are amazed how small it really is once you walk into it. it was built a long, long time ago in the 1800s. and it's a little bit -- we see this grand big place. you get inside, there are so many people in there it's kinds of small corridors. but this is what is wonderful about our democracy. ed and i have been through a hell of a lot of wars together against each other but we can treat each other with respect on air and talk about issues together. i think this peaceful transition you are seeing today, two men that have fought it out for the last week as it got hotter and hotter. it couldn't have gone the more brutal. today the country, there are angry people out there. but they are showing the world how this happened.

and it only happens here this way. jon: joe, ed, stick with us. i want to bring bret back into the discussion. in the latter part of the campaign donald trump vowed time and time again to repeal and replace obamacare. i imagine the president would like to do some arm twisting on that score. but i'm not sure if that will happen in the oval office today. bret: i'm not sure it's not going to happen. i think he will make a case -- president obama is, if you are committed to re-peeling and replacing, that you would at least unwind it gently, or you work to fix it. i think he's going to make a pitch. remember again this is president obama's legacy number one. but you also have millions of americans who have health insurance now that didn't before. and you have to figure out a way to replace it.

and not yank all of those people out of the system that they have. obamacare has expands the people who have health insurance. republicans have been work for months on that replacement. that's one of the things we'll talk to speaker paul ryan about tonight on special report at 6:00 p.m. jon: trumpcare doesn't have the same ring to it. they will have to come up with a different name. jenna: we are awaiting for video of the meting between president-elect trump and president obama. there is a collective sigh of relief after this election. and many of us need to think we are on vacation because paul the work is done. even though thpg is around the corner.

there is work being done in congress. there were new we'll elected to congress, and people re-elected. but work has to happen. what is on the agenda and what should we be watching for. >> the movement of merrick garland. there was some thought that if hillary clinton got alectsed there would be a push to get garland in to get the most moderate choice possible for the supreme court. that's not going to happen. and the choice then will go to president trump. the next thing is there were a couple of bills out there that were pending to be wrapped up. one of them was a judicial reform bill that was a bipartisan effort. because it's a completely new administration and republican

snoot and republican house. i would imagine that you don't see anything moving significantly into the next congress. they are going to wait and roll out a whole agenda that they are going to try to get to the president's desk quickly and tick off things one after the other once you get new congress in place. bret: they will be prep can the way. there are -- they will be preparing the way. i want to make one points. i have a book coming out believe it or not in january called "three days in january." it's about dwight d. eisenhower passing the presidency over to john f. kennedy. it's about the transition of power. i just got the galley today. jenna: i was wondering where that book came from. bret: at any rate. it deals with this very

transition. and why i mention that, it became a formal process in 1961 because president eisenhower wanted to have a different experience for the new president-elect john f. kennedy. and their first meeting was really something. we'll go into detail with documents and oral histories about that. and that transsiption of power. we were in a cold war. it was a dangerous time. it's just like now. we are in a dangerous time around the world. and you are seeing right now in this meeting the same kinds of transition between two parties that you saw between dwight d. eisenhower and john f. kennedy. jenna: it's out there. >> 72 hours, his farewell

speech, the military industrial complex, quite d eisenhower and the inauguration of jfk. >> what great timing. i'm glad you have it. it's very relevant. bret: it just fit. jenna: thank you for that. it's important to look back as we look forward it's one of the interesting things we do on the air and we talk about the past. jon: the planning and logistics important for a military commander. he brought that history and training with him to the white house. let's bring back in ed rollins and joe trippi. both men familiar with presidential campaigns. wanted to talk about this proposal out there from wisconsin governor scott walker saying maybe it's time to get

rid of the filibuster. maybe that is an antiquated role -- amount quited tool of the u.s. senate. joe, do you think that what be a good thing or bad thing? >> i don't know that it would and bad thing. that would not be the first -- one of the things i would do if i was president trump and the republicans right now. one of the things we are seeing is a transition. and people are going to give president-elect trump the benefit of the doubt on both sides for how partisan this will get. how much of this will be to work together or it's just our way or the highway. and i see getting the signal immediately coming out of the block and moving to get rid of the fill bus for which is -- the filibuster which is a tool the minority in the senate has, i'm not saying to not get rid of it.

but i think if being one of the first things, i would not do that. i would be reaching for things like infrastructure or something else that look there is a lot of agreement about what we need to do, get both parties working together. i think that's what the country wants to see. save some of that stuff -- even if they are good ideas, save them for a little later. that's my reaction to it. >> as the chairman of the national republican congressional committee, i sat in on all the leadership meetings. 1.miles of pennsylvania avenue between the white house and congress. it might as well be 1,000 miles. scott walker basically has no say or president trump has no say about a filibuster. those are the rules of the senate and only the rules of the senate will be altered by those who are senators. i can promise you that the first

lesson president trump will learn, they are an independent body. they share the same body and some of the same agenda, but don't try and get in the congressional budget business. they will cut you off at the knees real quick. >> ed is right about that when you put it in that context. mcconnell -- they know that this is all temporary. that their majority as president is temporary. they would rue the day if they changed the rule -- when people thought this when the democrats started change the rules in the senate. you will pay for it when the republicans have more power. so i don't think you will see those kind of of changes. not coming from a governor from wisconsin. ed is right. even if donald trump asked them to do it, i'm not sure the

senate leadership would do that. jon: joe trippi, ed rollins, fascinating discussion. jenna: it's great the hear some of those stories. donald trump. one thing we know is this meeting is longer than expected. and one wonders what is happening. jon: there's a lot of jaw boning going on, i guess. [laughter] we will be back, certainly, in an hour to, you know, fill you in on whatever we know about what transpired. jenna: it is a historic meeting. we'll continue the coverage right now on "outnumbered." sandra: fox news alert, mr. trump goes to washington. president-elect donald trump fresh off one of the biggest political upsets ever, meeting with president obama at the white house to discuss the smooth transition to the power. this is "outnumbered," i'm sandra smith. here today, host of kennedy on

fox business, kennedy, democratic strategist julie roginsky, fox news contributor lisa booth, and today's #oneluckyguy, fox news contributor and columnist for the pennsylvania times, charlie hurt. and he is "outnumbered." we've seen you all over the place. what a week for you. >> oh, my goodness, what a week. i mean, it is, you know, i think from the beginning i always thought there was an absolute path for him to do this but, oh, my goodness -- kennedy: no one else agreed with you, especially on tuesday night. [laughter] sandra: we are awaiting possible remarks from president obama and president-elect trump. we begin with a tradition that goes back decades, the current occupant of the white house inviting his successor right after the election, regardless of their political differences. but the sit-down between president obama and donald trump, the first-ever face to face meeting between the two, may have a different edge than previous handovers of power. the president wel