public display t was discovered in in 1913 during excavation project for a railroad station in israel. it is only intact version thought to exist. there you go. >> that is amazing. >> truly a collector's item. we'll see you back here in an hour. "outnumbered" the starts right now. harris: moving in with a fox news alert. more big pieces of incoming trump administration may be falling into place. president-elect donald trump and the head of his transition team, vice president-elect mike pence are meing at trump tower as speculation swirls as possible cabinet picks may be imminent. all this as dr. ben carson said to take his name out of consideration what we're learning for any role in the administration per se. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith, make fan mccain and host of "kennedy" on fox business,

kennedy her elf and we welcome back our #oneluckyguy, foxnewspolitics.com digital editor, host of "i'll tell you what." good to have you. >> i know live is working out because i get to do this. this is pretty cool. harris: i love being part after sign, right? >> they're everywhere if you pay attention. harris: let's end right there. >> good run. harris: the trump white house is taking shape. before we get to the breaking development of dr. ben carson as i just mentioned bowing out of consideration the mounting speculation hot president-elect wants in his cabinet. a senior trump transition official says former new york city mayor rudy giuliani is a favorite for secretary of state. but a second official cautions, john bolton, former ambassador to the united nations is also being considered. giuliani was asked about rumors including another one he could be tapped for attorney general. watch. >> first of all i won't be

attorney general. >> you won't be attorney general. >> good, i don't have to decide that one, thank god. >> the choice for secretary of state in the trump administration is down to rudolph giuliani and john bolton. we don't have john bolton here tonight. so i'm going to ask you -- >> john would be a very good choice. >> is there anybody better? >> maybe me, i don't know. [laughter]. harris: earlier today ambassador bolton was also asked about being the nation's top diplomat. >> would you want to be the u.s. secretary of state, let's start there? >> well, you know, i'm kind of old school on this business. it's been an honor to safety country. i've said, i'll say it again it would be an honor to serve the country again but ultimately this is the president-elect's decision. i don't think it is appropriate to talk about in public. in god's good time he will make up his time and we'll all move on. >> i get it. have you talked to him bit, sir? >> i have not. harris: i do know who wants to be the chief political correspondent for fox news. that is carl cameron.

carl, good to see you. >> hi, harris. it is no secret rudy jewel wants to be secretary of state. he lobbied hard for it. mr. bolton has a lot of opportunities, national security council, variety of spots for runner up. appears rudy giuliani makes it publicly known he wants the job and even expects to get it. don't want to get out ahead of your skis on this sort thing. why mr. bolton was saying best to be old school and keep it to yourself not lobby in public. having said that dr. ben carson who was eyeing health and human services secretary has decided he would be better service to donald trump were he not to be in the administration now. he had been talked about as hhs secretary. he is noted neurosurgeon and life-long physician. world-renown. he was also discussed as possible education secretary. and in the end the hhs job is a monster of a bureaucracy and

having been a neurosurgeon of such acclaim and being focused specifically on that end of medicine for years there may have been a consideration he doesn't have the kind of experience running a bureaucracy as huge as health and human services particularly when the there will be changes to the affordable care act, obamacare. so ben carson looks like he would be a senior advisor from the outside as opposed to the inside. and there are a number of other names that are rapidly emerging. steve mnuchin, the finance chairman for the trump campaign is looking like very serious potential pick for treasury department. the campaign, the president-elect's transition administration, is already trying to figure out wn they're going to do in their first 100 and 200 days. there is a draft memo that has been circulated that in effect says over the course of the first 200 days they will look at all of the trade deals that donald trump said he felt were not america first enough and

that there will be revisions and reforms and perhaps even some renege shuns of all of these types trade deals. renegotiations. the trans-pacific partnership and nafta. to better strengthen the u.s. trading position with our trading partners around the world. this is a huge promise by the candidate. appears the president-elect is moving forward aggressively that first 100 days will work on trade. harris: you teed it up for us, carl cameron. thank you, my friend. chris, that is a lot to chew on. start with the most recent news about dr. ben carson. you were nodding carl saying that the bureaucracy the program hhs is. >> running, putting a reknowned surgeon in charge of hhs like somebody should run sporting goods store because they played baseball or they like to drink they should run a bar. harris: or the biggest sporting

goods store. >> the attributes for success, think about it this way first. the federal executive branch comprises two million man beings. these are the civilians. leaving aside the army. you take those two million human beings. 1,950,000 of them are there no matter what. they're civil servants. they're in unions, many of them. they are governed by -- harris: you can't touch them. >> you can't really touch hem. >> we need mc hammer. >> you really can't touch them. harris: i believed i started that. >> i believe it. i believe it. i had hammer pants but i left them in makeup. harris: thank god you -- i can't touch that either. move on. >> picture the aircraft carrier slicing through the ocean, enormous thing. 50,000 of the people basically will and pleasure employees of the president. you don't have to replace them at once. there are 4,000 at very top you must replace.

they're all gone. these are secretaries and undersecretaries and deputy undersecretary. all those folks. harris: that is what he is working on right now. >> what is important with these people, yes, these idealogically attuned to you. what is more important than that, they know how to do what they're doing. the bureaucracy exists to defeat people who come in to try to change it. harris: wow, everything you just said makes people hate government even more. we love you. kennedy, if you can only really move about 50,000 people out of two million, that describes and explains why it is so hard to get stuff to do. it is even more important, i would think that donald trump work with is bicameral, this rarity that he has right now on the hill. >> he has to take frustration he has had with bureaucracy, with the bloated federal government and now appoint and instill people who succeed those posts the absolute mandate, where they are, whatever their domain they have to limit the size and scope of government.

i would like to see someone like ben carson, who has been such an active opponent of obamacare in that position at health and human service. >> you know what they would do to him? kennedy: -- with his own scalpel. i understand that. >> rough crowd. kennedy: having said that i think there is something important about people idealogically, philosophically, limited government. people talk about eliminating entire departments like commerce and education, put those people in charge and see you how much traction. harris: component, i am curious, get down to nitty-gritty of actually people looked at, rudy giuliani and ambassador bolton? just get your thoughts. meghan: i'm a foreign policy hawk. these are two people i really like taking over this position. that being said ambassador john bolton wrote op-ed to bomb iran and stop nuclear program. if you're somebody like kennedy, rand paul said he would not like

these two choices. meghan: lable -- libertarians will go crazy. i want to see what happens in the first 100 days. these two men are people quite frankly more idealogically aligned with people like me. sandra: chris, based on who has been chosen so far, all we can look at is reince priebus and steve bannon and looking at who we speculate he will pick, what do you make of donald trump and how donald trump is performing as far as his picks? >> the pose important choice so far donald trump's part, mike pence to take over transition team. sandra: is that a good idea? >> it is better than having chris christie getting waylaid. harris: what happened to him, by the way? >> i think there is internal conflicts inside the organization, between jared kurschner and his father. there are icky parts. there is the thing that the "bridgegate" trials. ivanka trump's husband. kennedy: ivanka's father-in-law is rotting in jail because of chris christie.

>> that is way you could put it. that will not make for happy times within the organization. the other thing pence provides knowledge. he spent 12 years in washington. he was senior official in the congress. he was in the republican leadership. he understands you how this works. and he also knows where to go find the people. because as we were saying before, as much as conservatives say torch this thing, burn it down -- kennedy: drain the swamp. will there be swamp draining if you have -- >> you have to find a balance. if you come in, as you said before, get out over your skis and trying to do too much the bureaucracy will defeat you like that, you don't know how to do this what you need are people, if you really want to make donald trump is talking about you have to hope somebody like mike pence can identify individuals gifted enough to execute policies without getting back locked by people there. sandra: 17-year veteran of goldman sachs. remember things donald trump said on the campaign said about goldman sachs. >> the global elite. harris: would he choose him for treasury secretary?

i want to pick your brain real quickly, meghan, because you have been with our father as he chose staff as senator. how important these few weeks are leading up -- 66 days. meghan: deeply personal and loyalty along the campaign trail. i'm not terribly surprised by anyone that has been talked about, joining the administration. these are his closest advisors, the people he will trust in really intense times, particularly secretary of state. the biggest diplomat the united states has. it is incredibly important given threats of terror globally, incredibly important he trusts them. i like these two choices. i really like ambassador bolton or giuliani. harris: president obama again rejected claims that the election was repudiation of his policies after taking a what seemed to be veiled jab at hillary clinton. >> he did. harris: what president obama said about clinton and whether he has a point. hmmm. mr. obama also has a message

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♪ sandra: president obama appearing to take a veiled shot at hillary clinton during his first news conference since the election. the president suggesting that clinton lost because she failed to quote, show up everywhere and reach out to white non-urban voters. mentioning his own experience barnstorming in iowa during his campaign. >> i believe that we have better ideas, but i also believe that good ideas don't matter people don't hear them. we have to show up everywhere. we have to work at a grassroots level, something that has been a running thread in my career.

i won iowa not because the demographics dictated that i would win iowa. it was because i spent 87 days going to every small town and, fair and fish fry and vfw hall. sandra: and in a news conference earlier today, with the greek prime minister the president saying that the election was not repudiation of him or his policies. >> people seem to think i did a pretty good job and so there is this mismatch, i think between frustration and anger, perhaps the view of the american people was is that, just need to shake things up and i think that is going to be an interesting test because i think i can make a pretty strong argument that policies we put forward were the right ones. that we've grown faster than just about any advanced economy.

that the country is indisputably better off and those that voted for the president-elect were better off than where they were when i came into office for the most part. sandra: couldn't have been him, right, chris? >> he has a point. his point well-made, he has 57% job approval rating today, which is highest since 2009. he is much more popular, not much more popular, but substantially more popular at this point in his term than ronald reagan at this point in his. that is true. that is as we say back home a true fact. but also, but also, the counties that donald trump won, the places where donald trump won the election, were places that people had voted for barack obama twice. a lot of these places. a third of the counties that obama won switched and voted for trump. we saw especially in the upper midwest, we saw in places looked where i grew up, ohio county, west virginia, people went 20

and 25 point swings from obama to trump. this tells us something. and what it tells me is that the hunger for change and the desire for something different in washington is present and unshaked. the thirst is real. it is out there. obama promised it and only delivered some relatively small parts of it but the desire is still there. >> two things i think is really important. number one he is so incredibly condescending talk about how people's lives are bert off. that is so rude, that is one of the reasons democrats lost. they're incredibly out of touch with the big part of the country they have completely written off. he is absolutely right, when he talks about a demographic that you know is not necessarily tailor-made for you, you still have to go out there and talk to them. he did. >> he thinks she didn't do that because he actively despises her. he is mad at her losing this election. he feels like he set the table for her.

did everything possible. his wife was incredible sure surrogate and she lost the election. >> she is basically saying she didn't work hard enough. meghan: i think that is terrible. she didn't work hard enough. that woman is in pain. i have don't like the clintons. >> it won't haunt her. meghan: this is subject, i don't like the way he talks about that. i think that is kind of unprofessional. i'm happy the way he is treating donald trump. wax political what you want about numbers, this is huge rejection of obama's policies and liberal culture as well. that is the factor in this that the media continues to miss. there is many people, many traditional democrats who voted for president obama who think that you know, liberals only care about the elites, about the agenda of people in san francisco and people in new york city and i think it's a cultural shift as well that he seems not to be able to recognize. do you know who does recognize it? bernie sanders. he did an interview on cbs he was saying i come from these areas.

i come from blue-collar white working class communities. his quote was it breaks my heart we're not reaching out -- harris: he says the party doesn't know how to reach them. sandra: speaking of those angry voters president obama also has a message for americans who are angry and concerned about president-elect trump's victory. >> the people have spoken. donald trump will be the next president, the 45th president of the united states. and, it will be up to him to set up a team that he thinks will serve him well and reflect his policies. and, those who didn't vote for him, have to recognize that that's how democracy works. that's how this system operates. sandra: a lot of americans happy to see our president stepping up to say time to unite, accept it? harris: he had to do that. it had gotten violent. he had to do that. i think he should have done it days ago.

he spoke again from greece today. he said some of the same things. but you know, now is the time for americans to do what they always have done historically and do the what is in it for me. i know how much you like acronyms. >> i do like that one. harris: time to look no matter how you voted each time as a country and figure out what makes your life better. >> right. harris: out of all changes that are coming and really engage. because i would like to take a litmus test. how many people on the streets threatening to get violent even voted. meghan: or voted for jill stein. >> i was walking out of the building wednesday last, and i did not know, the smell of pot smoke rolling down sixth avenue with the protesters, i wanted to linger, i thought i might get a contact high. as people coming down sixth avenue, this is what democracy looks like. fellow standing next to me on the corner. i was going out for dinner.

the fellow, should we tell them that the election was on tuesday. that is when you vote. it doesn't matter if you protest. that is when the vote was. i think part of the anger and part of the misunderstanding here is, that just because your feelings are hurt and because you don't like the outcome. i think that what is obama is saying and bernie sanders is saying. okay now you have to get in the harness and pull. harris: i echo what meghan said, they were letting media do the work for them and tell them how to vote and how to think. sandra: he can tell them stop being angry, but will they? will we see end to the protests and anger? kennedy: i think we might see end of the protest as function of weather. it will start getting cold places like northeast and northwest and portland, oregon, my hometown really turned into quite a manure storm. >> can we say some of these people would protest a haircut. they don't care. kennedy: occupy wall street

professional protesters. they're looking for reasons to be angry. people you're no longer friends with because they're such drama queens. always breaking up with boyfriends and losing their jobs and you no longer want to hear about it. they take the negative energy and impose it on politics. there is a need in this country for peaceful protest. you can't do that in other parts of the world. we can do that here. people can do that. but you know what, when it gets violent, lobbing fiery bricks at cops that is draw the line and president has to say something. meghan: pulling a trump supporter out of his car. sandra: trump and russian president vladmir putin speaking by phone about the future of u.s.-russia ties. he is looking forward to strong, enduring relationship with the kremlin. can putin be you trusted to be a friend to america. most republicans are behind the president-elect and democrat

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♪ meghan: president-elect trump getting a phone call from russian president vladmir putin. according to a statement from the trump camp, putin congratulated him on his victory and the two talked about their shared threats, economic issues and future of u.s. relationship with russia. the call coming after a campaign dogged by accusations russian hacking and praises of mr. trump for the russian leader. the kremlin said quote, two are not due to meet before the president-elect takes office. putin longing for days of mother russia. wants to become a superpower again. is donald trump going to help him do that? >> look, the fraught relationship between the united states and russia is not going to end no matter how good the relationship between donald trump and put fight is.

simply the strategic interests between the two companies. both barack obama and george w. bush where diagrams of national interest overlap. putin makes his bread and butter off making people in russia hate the united states. one. keystones when people have praised, when trump praised putin's high approval ratings in russia is lot is based on him saying outsiders, westerners hate us and want us to fail. the reason our economy stinks. the reason we can't get imports much things which want, the reason we have problems is because of decadent westerners and horrible people and these americans. so now we have an interesting dance. donald trump is really vladmir putin's friend, and russia and united states become allies, who are they going to blame? sandra: that is the point, if he is really his friend we would always have to question that relationship, even if it looked

like a good friendship, whether or not it was real. >> remember when bush said i looked into his ice? harris: what did he see? >> saw his soul. saw the man's soul. it was like a black frito. it was a little crisp crust. remember this, also, around i think this is really important, you say to become a superpower to return to being a superpower, if you're russia there is theory of moscow is the third rome the true protectter of christian faith. great russia, the great and powerful state counterbalances they don't believe they are a superpower, they think they are a superpower. kennedy: you have to have keep miserable people loyal to you have to have a foil. do the exact same thing in north korea. >> with less vodka. kennedy: former soviet union, i can't believe i say that, it is romanian in me, if russia actually becomes a tight ally with the united states, they have to become a democracy and

allow the economic floodgates to open. harris: that is what happened in the james bond series. >> why it suffered. they also had the one guy who cried. meghan: still a lot of republican look at putin at bush and see a k, a g and a b unlike bush, in his ice. >> my prediction would be in the end the russian goal was not to elect donald trump president as democrats alleged but in fact the goal was to destablize the united states and i bet, i just bet that right about the time that the republicans and trump say, boy, russia is really great, when he is going to go, there are other wikileaks here. we have some other stuff. kennedy: here is question what about john bolton? he is very hawkish not only towards iran but also towards russia. >> absolutely. kennedy: the president-elect who is extending admiration and olive branch, is there tension insurmountable. harris: good cop, bad cop situation?

meghan: how do you reconcile those two things, seems like a strange choice if you go on the past relationship with donald trump and putin. harris: can i ask a basic question? so there is wash upon post article really good that talks about donald trump getting deepest secrets of america. >> yeah. harris: i wonder does that change also who he chooses for, you know all of these positions, particularly for the defense secretary? >> i know people who have been involved in the briefings and it is os word, briefing and they don't say s word, they say actual word. harris: orange swan. >> or oh, swan. the briefing that the president-elect gets where they say basically, that is where we buried alien. this is the nuclear base on the dark side of the moon. this is all of the bad stuff that we did. this is all the bad stuff people did to us. this is the stuff. these are real capabilities. hope in each time, in the era of thermonuclear war, that each president goes, oh, swan.

be careful what we do. this is part of the learn and steeling of the person's core. harris: we'll treat you to discuss can in the break. meghan: someone wants to tell me about rosswell, i am open. democrats are insisting they will have a say too. now word on how the dems are planning to get between the new president and his party. could this actually happen? ♪

♪ ♪. harris: congress whose begun a lame-duck session with republican leaders saying they're strong aligned with president-elect donald trump. speaker paul ryan you may recall initially refused to join donald trump. they say it is time to hit the ground running and join forces with new trump administration. a jubilant speaker ryan.

>> welcome to the dawn of a new, unified republican government. feels really good to say that actually. this will be a government focused on turning president-elect trump's victory into real progress for the american people. our people are excited and can not wait to get to work. at same time we recognize the task ahead of us is enormous. if we're going to put our country back on the right track we have to be bold and we have to go big. this country is expecting absolutely no less. harris: meanwhile, "politico," the website is reporting democrats are hoping to take full advantage of any possible fresh within the gop to advance their own agenda. here is a quote from them. the outline of a democratic strategy for dealing with donald trump is beginning to take shape. they're thinking, exploit the inevitable divisions between trump and increasingly conservative gop leadership over tax policy, infrastructure spending and possibly social issues, end quote. meghan mccain,. meghan: this is wishful thinking on the left. for many of us the last eight

years has been left to tell, and how many of us critics donald trump want the next four years to be really prosperous, we want to repeal obamacare. i actually think so far i see a lot of hope in donald trump reaching out to people who originally didn't support him. i actually see republicans working together. the last thing i want to repeat history which just happened with democrats. this complete rejection because they failed over and over again for so long. so i actually think they can try but look in your own house right now with the divisions in the dnc over people that supported hillary and bernie sanders before looking out. sandra: amazing part of that press conference speaker ryan just gave, he went from just saying republicans need to unite to hit the ground running to defending donald trump. he was asked by one of the reporters, do you trust that donald trump can make the right choices when assembling his administration? he said, stop. this is a multibillionaire who has employed tens of thousands of people over the course of his business career.

he has had to surround himself with smart people that make good choices an had to make them himself. i saw that as big change for speaker ryan. he barely mentioned his name before when he said he would be supporting him. >> sure. may be a way to think about it is a threshold. donald trump as a businessman did some things. donald trump as a presidential candidate did some things. but as president-elect, he is only done a few things and now the job for, and i think this is in keeping with what president obama has been repeatedly saying, which it is up to the citizenry and also the leaders in congress to judge donald trump based on president-elect, based on what he does as president-elect. sandra: already doing that. >> but that is our job, right? it is our job to judge him what he does henceforth. but there is the forgiveness that says, okay, this was the threshold. you must be this tall to ride this ride. you are that tall.

you are now the president-elect. let's start anew. harris: kennedy, i want to talk a moment because that is what this segment is about, democrats trying to take advantage of something happening within the other party. sandra: yeah. harris: they have so many problems of their own. would i imagine, and i thought about this as the president was speaking from greece more so than the news conference yesterday, and i will get to my question in a second, i promise. i thought about this, it is part of his legacy now. if they don't take a look at stick in their own eye to talk biblically before they look at their neighbors? >> i don't think that president obama or secretary clinton were planning on an autopsy of their party at this point. >> right. kennedy: that is one of the things that caught them so off-guard. she was planning filling 4,000 positions chris talked about on the show and planning on doing for months and she has forced the party to do, especially people like nancy pelosi, is to really take stock and how they have alienated so many voters across the country.

and how their elitist agenda, their big government agenda, is not only out of touch it, has failed so many people of the election really could have gone either way. republicans might be having conversation. they're not. they're having celebration and democrat are forced to go back to square one, figure how we get bernies and elizabeths back into the fold. harris: hard for me to believe. we were on the floor dnc. saw people in tears. sandra: go over to california. harris: they're really crying. hard to believe even if she won they wouldn't be that soul-searching. >> 100% right. meghan: a lot of democrats feel betrayed which is something that republicans i don't feel at this time. i don't feel betrayed. i think it took a different direction than i originally thought. they feel betrayed. people screaming at donna brazile, and four years off of my life because of climate change which someone did to her, you have problems in your own house.

i find it arrogant and really wishful thinking you think there is any disarray. >> that is what they are best at. harris: let's move on. students and faculty at ivy league schools are looking to create sanctuary campuses that would be free of deportations under president-elect policies. would the universities defy immigration law and could they get away with it is the bigger question. ♪

sandra: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. first let's get to jenna lee with what is coming up in second hour of "happening now." >> hi, sandra. mike pence arriving at trump tower. he is talking about hiring in the trump administration and national security. that meeting is underway right now. speak of the house paul ryan is look likely to keep his role as republican leader in the house after election of mr. trump. republicans are meeting on the hill to discuss what is first on that agenda for the first crucial 100 days. president obama holding a joint news conference this morning in athens. we're watching from news from overseas of the it is his last overseas trip as president. he promises that the u.s. is firmly committed to nato. anymore headlines coming out over there. we bring them to you. top of the hour. sandra: jenna, we'll be watch being, thank you.

meghan: folks at some of our nation's top universities pushing their sanctuaries for illegal immigrants who could face deporestation and you trump presidency. schools like harvard, yale, columbia and brown where alumni wrote a letter to school leaders saying in part, quote, trump's presidency puts undocumented members of our community at unprecedented risk, threat to students and workers requires a concrete and tangible response from the university. words and symbolic guesstures would not suffice. they're pointing to a 2011 memo which they believe shows immigration officials can not enter college campuses without permission from the university. in a statement to "newsweek" a brown university official disputing that saying brown is still committed to supporting undocumented members of its community. this on the heels of seven major cities affirming commitment to be sanctuary cities, shielding those here illegally from deportation. i went to one of these universities, columbia

university, great arrogance of ivy school students they don't allow rotc on campus. i found that insulting. you will not let members of the military go to top tier communities but let undocumented immigrants in. >> i assume in this case they're also talking about people working in janitorial services and on staff and people like that. and part of the reason i'm kind of heart broke about my country after this election is that we lack the peace that comes with understanding. the peace that comes withed understanding that the people who populate these ivy league universities have no idea about what's going on in the rest of the country, and shock and horror that creates donald trump's election. i wasn't shocked when donald trump won because i know those voters. that is where i'm from. i understand how people who feel left behind, left out, excluded and chosen against how they feel. so is i have a proposal. i think that it is going to work great. on the north fork of short creek road in ohio county,

west virginia is the sanitation landfill. i knew of people that worked there and they used to drink at the bucket of blood saloon. i don't know if the bucket of blood is still there. but i have idea. kennedy: wasn't that saloon in tangled? >> i didn't see tangled. i'm for it. but idea everybody at those schools ought to go work at the landfill. they shut down the coal mine and steel mill is not operating. they can work at the landfill. they can put up the trash for a while. i bet they are done, two things, they will really like recycling, number two, they will not be afraid of people who voted for donald trump an they will not be afraid of people who come from places like that. meghan: that won't work. they won't do it. i went to columbia. i know they would never do something like that. kennedy: students are so good and so benevolent. i will take the opposite stand. i think it is wonderful. they should shield as many people as they want in their dorm rooms including refugees from the middle east.

if you have families or single men coming over from syria, i think -- >> you have a lost. kennedy: cushy, cozy, prewar steam-heated building. sandra: they're essentially saying in addition to that the police are not welcome on our campus unless we call, that is fact, right? they can not enter the campus unless they're called or warrant. in addition to that, kennedy, if there is a problem, who do they call? kennedy: like anyone else, remember when the protesters were protesting police violence and it got violent because a bike irrgang came up and started beating the not, how you want? >> the people in dallas died because they were defending protesters. meghan: i know what they taught me at columbia. i can safely say it was incredibly liberal school. i really worry about the indoctrination of young people in this country. there is not even a second perspective given.

when i was at columbia there was violent minutemen protest, people representing them came to pam pus. they have a long history of this. and i just think people have got to take a dose of reality to see what kind of world we are really living in. harris: i have a expectation in this country growing nature of sanctuary. we have a purse and matching shoes, because the purse would be the sanctuary cities. you have the sanctuary places on campus are the matching shoes. where else should we anticipate this sort of safe space making for illegal immigrants in particular will pop up in our nation. i think that is conversation we need to have because if the space is growing greater for them, what does that mean for everybody else? meghan: the election results, a big blow to many democrats especially members of president obama's team. he said he told them they could mope up to two weeks if they really need to. really? by getting you to a real doctor for an annual check-up. so go, know, and take control of your health. doctor poses.

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♪ >> where is my bic. right now democrats are really feeling it. president obama is admitting he gave his staff much noded time to be sad after hillary clinton's loss. but he put a limit on it because he is a task master! listen to what he said on a dnc conference call. >> expected losses are hard enough.

unexpected ones are just worse. and that's okay. i was telling my team, you're allowed to mope for, week 1/2, maybe two if you really need it, but after that, we got brush ourselves off and get back to work. we have to come together and focus on a way ahead. harris: these were people who would lead the country with hillary clinton in vision and support. sandra: come on. >> he was kind of teasing number one. number two, teddy roosevelt talked about the man man in the arena. when you get in the space and you fight and you lose it hurts and it hurts badly and there is nothing quite like the sting, as president said of unexpected defeat. for romney people, there were real tears in boston in 2012, they thought they were going to win. harris: two weeks? >> i think he was funning a little bit. kennedy: maybe moping is key for drinking. >> bending elbows. harris: meghan has been through it. meghan: you want to know what happened next morning, my parents said buck up.

you have a great life. we're blessed. we'll still fight for the country. the next morning. i have a lot of time for baby crying and brothers serving. my brother redeployed after that. give me a break. two weeks? infantilization of, if that is a word. harris: it's a word now make make we have a job to do. sandra: i'm okay with the president joke about it. you have a job that somebody is paying for. get back to work. meghan: buck up, democrats. this isn't syria. stop crying. >> this isn't syria. if you set the expectations low enough this isn't syria everything is working out. meghan: have a perspective what is going on around the world. kennedy: try being libertarian. >> perfect track record. kennedy: thank you so much to chris stirewalt. >> i wouldn't miss it.

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