administration. and this, to us, is a sign of encouragement to continue the good cooperation that we have built between the united states of america and the federal republic of germany that is in our mutual interest. so we will continue this, i will continue this with, i approach this with an open mind, and i'll do it on the basis of a deep conviction with president-elect donald trump. secondly on russia, i can only repeat what the president said previously. this is all about respecting certain principles, and i'm saying this from a european vantage point, from a european -- from a german vantage point, sorry. the fact that for over 70 years we have been able to enjoy peace, to live in peace very much depends on territorial integrity and sovereignty of each and every european country being respected. in view of the european history, the reverse would be the start

of a very bitter road down a slippery slope, and we have to nip this in the bud. we have to stand up resolutely against any such attempts. but we are pinning our hopes on political efforts. this is why we launched the nor normandy process, and particularly from a german perspective, from a european perspective, i can only say again russia is our neighbor. just look at to poland, the sort of european perspective this has. so we have an interest in seeing this relationship be a good one. we have a lot of historical ties, of course, a history that we share. but this miss ben't keep us from wherever -- mustn't keep us from wherever we feel there are very grave differences of opinions to raise them. but, again, with political means and always trying to work for political settlements. and can this is what i'm going to continue to work on. on the question of whether i will put up a candidacy, i will

do this at the appropriate time, and this is not today. >> [inaudible] [speaking german] >> translator: mr. president, your country is divided. you as first black president, as first african-american president who did so many things so differently, who raised so much hope all over the world, do you think that you have perhaps, in a way, put too much of a strain, maybe too much of demands on the americans? and to what extent do you think your successor may well be a threat to the rest of the world, to its security? because there are, after all, nuclear weapons here in germany to which he has access now. will you want to be now, madam chancellor, see to it under this new administration, try to make europe and germany less dependent on the united states, and are you afraid of this wave of populism hitting germany, hitting europe as well? and a personal question.

president obama, we pay tribute to you as an outstanding politician. you are somewhat sober when you describe your partner. how difficult is it for you toç take leave today of your partner? >> my guiding principle as president has been to try to do the right thing even when it's not politically convenient, to look at long-term trends in our economy, in our society, in the international sphere and, using my best judgment, shape policies that will serve the american people, keep them safe, keep our economy growing, put people back to work and and best insure

peace, cooperation and stability around the world. and based on current surveys of public opinion in the united states, it turns out that the majority of americans think i've done a pretty good job. that we haven't, in fact, gone too fast as you describe it. but what is certainly true is that the american people, just like the german people, just like the british and people around the world are seeing extraordinarily rapid change. the world is shrinking, economies have become much more integrated, and demographics are shifting because of the internet and communications. the clash of cultures is much

more direct. people feel, i think, less certain about their identity, less certain about economic security. they're looking for some means of control. and what that means is that the politics in all of our countries is going to require us to manage technology and global integration and all these demographic shifts. in a way that makes people feel more control, that gives them more confidence in this -- in their future but does not resort to simplistic answers or divisions

of race or tribe or a crude nationalism which i think can be contrasted to the pride and patriotism that we all feel about our respect you have countries. respective countries. and, you know, i think that our politics everywhere are going to be going through this bumpy phase. but as long as we stay true to our democratic principles, as long as elections have integrity, as long as we respect freedom of speech, freedom of religion, as long as there are checks and balances in our governments so that the people have the ability to not just make judgments about how well government is serving them, but also change governments if they're not serving them well,

then i have confidence that over the long term progress will continue. and i think it's especially important for those of us who believe in a world where we're interdependent that believes in mutual interest and mutual respect between nations, it's particularly important that we reach out to everybody in our countries, those who feel disaffected, those who feel left behind by globalization and address their concerns in constructive ways as opposed to more destructive ways. and i think that can be done. but it's hard, it requires creativity, it requires effective communications.

part of what's changed in politics is social media and how people are receiving information. it's easier to make negative attacks and simplistic slogans than it is to communicate complex policies. but we'll figure it out. so ultimately, i remain optimistic about not just america's future, but the direction that the world is going in. and part of what makes me most optimistic is if you look at the attitudes of young people. across the board young people are much more comfortable with respecting differences. they are much more comfortable with diversity. they are much less likely to

express attitudes that divide us between us and them. they see themselves as part of a global economy that they can navigate successfully. and are showing enormous creativity and entrepreneurship and working with each other across borders. so that's where the future is. but we have to create that bridge to the future, and that means making sure we're paying attention to the wages of workers in countries, making sure that we're investing in their education and their skills, that we are growing the economy inq smart ways and rebuilding our infrastructure and investing in science and development and that, you know,

we stay true to those values that helpedw3 get us here. and if we do that, i think we're going to be fine.ç [speaking german] >> translator: well, on the issue, first, of independence of germany, after the time of national socialism, germany has been given an enormous amount of help particularly and also from the united states of america. the fact that we were able to enjoy european -- sorry, german unification is due first and foremost to the help of the united states of america. and ever since germany was able to regain its unity, it is in an even stronger position to give its contribution to upholding this order to which we feel committed and for which particularly people in the german democratic republic stood

out there in the streets to keep this up, to maintain this order particularly also in our country. now, we're trying to do more than it used to be 26 years ago, and there are a number of other lawyers where we have to also -- areas where we have to also make a stronger contribution. we will all have to do more in development cooperation. it's important that these disparities in the living conditions cannot be allowed in this digital period to be too marked. each and everyone must be given an opportunity to participate. which is why germany's fate, in many wayses, depends on the firmness of its alliance with nato, with the european union. in this world of today, you cannot when you just stand on your own achieve much, even though you may be economically strong. so alliances are part of destiny as a nation, part of our

future as a nation, and this is what guides me in my policy, what guides my government as a whole. secondly, this wave of populism that seems to engulf us, well, look at the -- and in your words, comes from the united states. look at the european parliament. there are a lot of people who are looking for simplistic solutions, who are sort of preaching policies of, well, very unfriendly policies. we have them here in europe too. we have them here in germany too. and to take up where the president left off, digitization is, in a way, a disruptive force, a disruptive technological force that brings about deep-seeded change, transformation of society. look at the history of the printing press when this was invented, what sort of consequences this had. or industrialization, what sort of consequences that had.

very often it led to the enormous transformational processes within individual societies, and it took a while until societies learned how to find the right kind of policies to contain this and to manage this. and i think we live in a period of profound transformation very similar to when we had a transition from agriculture societies to industrial societies. now, when we, for example, see shifts of huge production lines from certain areas to other countries, people tend to ask the question, where's my place in this modern world? we have this ascendancy in our country, in other countries. trying to keep a society together, trying to keep the older ask younger people together, i trying to keep those who live in rural areas together with those who live in cities is one of the most important and most noble tasks of politicians these days. trying to see to it that each and every one can find his or

her place. but those that are, belong purportedly to certain groups say we are the people and not the others. that is something that we cannot allow to happen. that is something that i think at the time in the gdr, when the people stood in the street and said we are the people, that was something that filled me with great joy. but the fact that thes people have hijacked it is not something that fills me with great joy. we have to find new ways of addressing people, new ways of getting into contact with people, but i'm optimistic that we will be able to do so. now, taking leave from my partner and friend, well, yes, it is hard if you've worked together with somebody very well, leave taking is difficult. but we we all know that democray lives off change. so in the united states of america, the constitution is very clear in stipulations on this. it's a tough rule, eight years

and that's it. out goes the president and a new one comes in. so if it's in the german interest to have good transatlantic relations, well, the task is also to look ahead. but our personal -- we have freedom of movement in the whole of germany, so if we want to see each other, well, i'm game. so we're not completely out of this world, as we wouldxd say. >> [inaudible] >> thank you very much, mr. president. you've spoken a great deal about what you've characterized as a crude form of nationalism perhaps on the rise. i'm wondering if you would advise some of those protesters to stop demonstrators against some of the charged rhetoric that has been used by donald trump. and i'm wondering if you've advised your successor to be extra mindful of trends

particularly when it comes to making his own potentially powerful staff picks. lastly, sir, in these final weeks of your presidency, do you believe you have any leverage to stop bashar al assad and vladimir putin from continuing to bomb aleppo? chancellor merkel, i'd like to ask you, bashar al assad has described donald trump as a natural ally. your own foreign minister has described donald trump as a preacher of hate. i'm wondering, would you tell americans that they now have a perception problem? >> one of the great things about our democracy is it expresses itself in all sorts of ways. and that includes people probe testing. protesting. i've been the subject of protests during the course of my eight years, and i suspect that there's not a president in our history that at some point

hasn't been subject to these protests. so i would not advise people who feel strongly or are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign, i wouldn't advise them to be silent. what i would advise, what i advised before the election and what i will continue to advise after the election is that elections matter, voting matters, organizing matters, being informed on the issues matter. and what i consistently say to young people, i say it in the united states, but i'll say it here in germany and across europe, do not take for granted our systems of government and our way of life. i think there is a tendency because we have lived in an era that has been largely stable and

peaceful at least in advanced countries where living standards have generally gone up, there is a tendency i think to assume that that's always the case. and it's not. democracy is hard work. in the united states, if 43% of eligible voters do not vote, then democracy is weakened. if we are not serious about facts and what's true and what's not and particularly in an age of social media where so many people are getting their information in sound bites and snippets off their phones,we can't discriminate between

serious arguments and prop propaganda, then we have problems. if people, whether they are conservative or liberal, left or right, are unwilling to compromise and engage in the democratic process and are taking absolutist views and demonizing opponents, then democracy will break down. and so i think my most important advice is to understand what are the foundations of a healthy democracy and how we have to engage in citizenship continuous ly. not just when something upsets us. not just when there's an election or when an issue pops up for a few weeks.

it's hard work. and the good news is i think there are a lot of young people certainly who were involved in my campaigns and i think continue to be involved in work not just politically, but through nonprofits and other organizations that can carry this hard work of democracy forward. but i do think sometimes there's complacency. here in europe i think that there are a lot of young people who forget the issues that were at stake during the cold war. who forget what it meant to have a wall. and i'll be honest, there have been times when i listen to the rhetoric in europe where an easy equivalence somehow between the united states and russia and between how our governments operate versus other governments

operate, where those distinctions aren't made. i've said many times around the world that like any government, like any country, like any set of human institutions we have our flaws. we've operated imperfectly. there are times when we've made mistakes. there are times where i've made mistakes or our administration hasn't always aligned ourselves with the values that we need to align ourselves with. it's a work of constant improvement. but i can say to the german people that the united states has been good for germany, has looked out for germany, has provided security for germany, has helped to rebuild germany and unify germany. and i can say across europe that many principles that have been taken for granted here around free speech and around civil

liberties and an independent judiciary and fighting corruption, those are principles that, you know -- not perfectly, but generally -- we have tried to apply not just in our own country, but also with respect to our foreign policy. and that should be remembered. because in an age where there's so much active misinformation, and it's packaged very well and it looks the same when you see it on a facebook page or you turn on your television where some overzealousness on the part of a u.s. official is equated

with constant and severe repression elsewhere, if everything seems to be the same and no distinctions are made, then we won't know what to protect. we won't know what to fight for. and we can lose so much of what we've gained in terms of the kind of democratic freedoms and market-based economies and prosperity that we've come to take for granted. that was a long answer, wasn't it? i don't remember if there was a second part to it. i got all caught up in that one. >> i asked -- [inaudible] >> ah. >> -- the president-elect to be mindful of -- >> yes, i did. i did. he ran a extraordinarily unconventional campaign, and it

resulted in the biggest political upset in perhaps modern political history. american history. and that means that he now has to transition to governance. and what i said to him was that what may work in generating enthusiasm or passion during elections may be different than what will work in terms of unifying the country and gaining the trust even of those who didn't support him. and he's indicated his willingness to, his understanding of that. but you're absolutely right, that that has to reflect itself not only in the things he says, but also how he fills out his administration. and my hope is, is that that's

something that he is thinking about. because not only is the president of the united states somebody that the entire country looks to for direction, but sets the agenda internationally in a lot of ways. with respect to syria, we are going to continue to work as we have over the last five, six years to push towards a political transition and settlement. it would be naive of me to suggest that with russia committed militarily as it is to

supporting what in many cases are barbarous tactics by the assad regime to crush the opposition, the sort of indiscriminate bombing that we've been seeing not just in aleppo, but in many parts of the country over the last several years, it would be naive of me to suggest that there's going to be a sudden 180-degree turn in policy by either assad or russia or iran at this point. but we are going to continue to make the argument. we are going to continue to try to find humanitarian steps that can reach the people there. we're going to continue to try to obtain cessations of hostilities that lessen the human tragedy and the migration that's taking place. but ultimately, the way this is going to be resolved is going to

have to be a recognition by russia and a willingness to pressure assad that a lasting, durable peace with a functioning country requires the consent of people. you cannot purchase people's consent through killing them. they haven't made that transition yet, but we're going to keep on trying. [speaking german] >> translator: i think i can speak for the whole of the federal government when i say that we are no longer in a, in election mode in the united states. we're in post-election mode. there is an interest of the federal republic of germany to cooperate well with the united states of america.

goes for each and every president on the basis of shared values. and i believe that these are, indeed, shared values and should be shared values. so as to my position on president assad, assad as president has actively tried to kill his own people, he has bombed them with barrel bombs in a most terrible way, he has brought untold suffering over his people if you look at aleppo and other places. when you talk to the many syrian refugees who have fled here to germany, they will be able to tell you their own personal story. ask the majority of them, the great majority of them fled from assad. and most of them not even ned the i -- fled the i.s., so i don't see him as an ally. [speaking german] >> translator: thank you very much. mr. president, you describe your

hopes rather more in great historical terms. let me break this down to months and years. the fact that stephen ban nonwas made as chief strategist meeting mr. be percentage, and the fact that prominent republican representatives did not decide to join this transition team, what makes you confident, against the background of this that president trump can be a reliable partner to the world and to germany? now, madam chancellor, if you hear those words of praise of the president with regard to you, this, what he said, can this not sort of demand too much from you and from germany? because too much is demanded, too much is expected from you, too great are the expectations, you can't meet them? >> i'm always optimistic.

there are times where i was in the oval office and people would come me with all kinds of political problems and policy

>> that forces you to focus. that demands seriousness. and if you're not serious about the job, then you probably won't be there very long. because it will expose problems. each when you're doing -- even when you're doing a good job, even when you are attendant, there's so many things that come across your desk that people are going to question you, and you're going to have opponents, and you're going to have critics. and you figure that out pretty fast when you're sitting there. and i think the president-elect is going to see fairly quickly

that the demands and responsibilities of a u.s. president are not ones that you can treat casually. and that in a big, complexing, diverse country the only way you can be successful is by listening and reaching out and working with a wide variety of people. and so it is my hope that that is what will happen, and i'm going to do everything i can over the next two months to help assure that that happens. it is absolutely true that chancellor merkel is going to have significant responsibilities, has had extraordinary burdens that she's had to carry. if she chooses to continue, you're right, she will have big

burdens. i wish i could be there to lighten her load somewhat, but she's tough. [laughter] and i have, i know what it means to carry burdens because the fact of the matter is that if there are problems around the world, the first question people ask is why isn't washington doing something about it. this is why it's so important not to discount or take for granted the importance of the transatlantic alliance. and this is probably the best place for me to end. in international fora, in g20s, in g7s, in the united nations, the united states and germany are not always perfectly aligned. america and europe are not always perfectly aligned.

but the voice that speaks out on behalf of some dissident who is jailed halfway around the world, the voice who is expressing concern about some child in an african village who doesn't have clean drinking water or is subject to some terrible disease, the voice that insists on rules and norms governing international affairs, the voice that helps to steer the world away from war wherever possible, that's our voice more often than not. and we're not always successful. but if that voice is absent or if that voice is divided, we will be living in a meaner,

harsher, more troubled world. and we have to remember that. and whoever's the u.s. president and whoever's the chancellor of germany and whoever is the leader of other european nations and other democracies around the world, they, they need to recognize that. there are going to be forces that argue for cynicism, for looking the other way with somebody else's problems that are not going to champion people who are vulnerable because sometimes that's politically convenient. and if we don't have a strong transatlantic alliance that's standing up for those things, we will be giving to our children a worse world. we will go backwards instead of forwards. so whoever the u.s. president is, whoever the chancellor of germany is, we need to remember that. and our citizenry -- who decide

who our presidents and chancellors are -- need to remember that. [speaking german] >> translator: well, first, it is, after all, a very good thing if after eight years of cooperation the president of the united states says that this is a cooperation based on friendship, that we cooperated well. i feel that this is a very good, a very positive message and, indeed, an encouragement for me. now, secondly, i fortunately know very many people, and there are many, many more that i don't know and many politicians who stand up for the same values of democracy, of liberal societies, of open societies, of respect for the dignity of man. and i feel that we are in a community of people here who stand up for these values, who try to maintain them.

and wherever they are not yet respected, stand up for people's rights to enjoy them as well. and this is worth every effort. but i think we're gratifieded to know that there are many, many people who feel committed to the goal. thank you very much. harris: and with that, a very quick wrap-up between president obama and germany's chancellor, angela merkel, and they're been going for about an hour in germany. they touched on all sorts of topics. not the least of which the new president-elect of the united states, donald trump. and they both have their own words to say about that. the president calling this political period of time a bumpy phase that america is going through. and then you just heard him if you just tuned in to "outnumbered," you're hearing him call for a unified voice around the world, saying that without that we will have a meaner, harsher world. and then he looked at angela

merkel who's getting ready to run for her first term as chancellor and said he wished that he would be here to help her out, but he believes she's pretty tough and handle stuff. let's start the show. i'm harris faulkner, here today, sandra smith, megyn mccain, julie roginsky and today's #oneluckyguy, you know him from the host of waters' world, jesse waters. what was all that? >> you know what i do. this is my world. don't act like you haven't seen it, harris. harris: oh. no, i like to feign it. [laughter] >> ouch. harris: you had some definite thoughts about just the context of this and what you noticed. >> well, under obama's watch, the middle east blew up, and all of these refugees came into germany, and now the chancellor's kind of on a little bit of a ledge because she's not very popular because they're raiding mosques now, and there's gang rapes.

obama is kind of responsible for her predicament. if you listen to the president of the united states, one of the most arrogant and condescending speeches speeches i've seen him deliver, he said about a trump election this is because of globalization. my polls, i'm so popular -- remember, we really can't believe the polls, but -- sandra: you reminded us. >> people are scared of globalization. the world is changing. and when all of these technological advancements come, you have immigration, and people get scared. they huddle with their own tribe. and it's also because of news propaganda, and it's because of racism. and he's pointing fingers everywhere, and it's not my policies. heaven forbid my policies were unpopular. and i think the real reason trump was elected, because maybe globalization wasn't working in the way it should have been working for the american people. and we'd like a president that could steer globalization in our favor more -- sandra: can you tell this has been bottled up for, like, 40 minutes? [laughter] harris: i want to go to julie

though, because that active misinformation is what the president was pointing to and social media and blaming that. we've heard a lot of blame from lots of different people on the democratic side. i want to get your response though to jesse. julie: there's no blame on the democratic side. we blew the election. we should have won it, and we didn't. jesse, here are the car keys for you and donald trump, to quote the pottery barn rule, you break it, you own it. i would love to see dearly how donald trump is going to navigate the global morass that we find ourselves in today. i don't disagree with you, obama's foreign policy, there's been a lot i've disagreed on and pretty so i have rousely on this -- vociferously on this couch. i'm very happy to hear that he's meeting with all sorts of people who have been calling trump tower all over the world, world leaders trying to get through to him. i strongly urge the president-elect to maybe get a briefing from the state department and dod before he speaks to them -- harris: and you know he is --

julie: apparently, the state department and dod says he hasn't reached out to them in advance of some of these conversations he'd had with theresa may and al-sisi, the president -- harris: can i just ask you a quick question though? when you look at particularly bill clinton who had a much slower, choppier start to the beginning of pre-presidency, it took him quite a bit of time to do some of the things that we're seeing the president-elect do now, so why are you so critical at this point on, like, day nine? julie: i'd love for the process to play out. if you're going to take calls for foreign leaders, get a visit from the japanese prime minister today -- and i hear people at the state department and department of defense saying the president-elect's team has not yet reached out to them for briefingsing, i get concerned because this is not a joke -- meghan: he's reached out to a lot of republicans, my father being one of them. he's trying to make amends with a lot of people and, quite frankly, i'm more concerned about getting ourselves together

first before we go forward. and i just, i find reaction right now to be really ridiculous. if hillary clinton were elected right now and she were taking her time, i'm sorry, julie, i respect you, but you would be saying let her take her time -- harris: just like her husband did. julie: understand what i'm saying. hillary clinton knows a little bit about foreign policy. you may not agree, but she doesn't need to be briefed. by the way, if i got elected tomorrow or any of us, we don't know a lot of things because we haven't been part of the government. the same goes for the president-elect -- [inaudible conversations] harris: we want to show everybody this because if they're just tuning in, we want to get to this point. so in talking about donald trump today, the president was asked about whether or not he told him anything, and here was some interesting advice he had for the president-elect. watch. >> the extraordinary demands that are placed on the united states -- not just by its own

people, but by people around the world -- that forces you to focus. that demands seriousness. and if you're not serious about the job, then you probably won't be there very long. harris: that was a really long sentence but not very many words there. it was a very long sentence. what about donald trump right now and what he's doing dictates he's not being serious? sandra: can i go to something that david axlerod just treat tweeted out? we hadn't made any major appointments by this time in 2008. i don't remember being criticized for it. julie: i'm not criticizing him. sandra: well, your party is.

julie: well, i can only speak for myself. what i am criticizing him for is this, and this is where barack obama is right, when i hear that leaders of foreign governments have to call the main line of trump tower because they don't know how to get ahold of him -- >> [inaudible] julie: it doesn't matter. meghan: who should they be calling? i'm curious. who should they be be calling? if they're calling donald trump at trump tower, i don't know what's wrong. julie: i'd like them to call the transition office and have them -- [inaudible conversations] >> can't get in touch with president-elect trump? julie: do you know how the prime minister of australia got in touch with him? called greg norman who had his cell phone number. >> you're mad that phone calls -- julie: no, no -- [inaudible conversations] >> focus on how smooth and not chaotic -- julie: are you, what? oh, my goodness. >> completely transparent. julie: they're firing people left and right. harris: wait, wait ors wait. >> perfectly open for everybody

to see. julie: it's not cay -- chaotic. >> making strong, smart picks in a methodical, focused way, and you're worried about greg norman. julie: i'm not worried about greg norman -- harris: governor mike pence will be meeting with people on capitol hill. he's in charge of the transition team, so when you tell me that no one can be gathered -- julie: they're not calling mike pence. they're trying to -- harris: well, you should call them and tell them -- julie: who am i supposed to call? [inaudible conversations] theresa may? meghan: i find a lot of this a lot of pearl clutching from the media and from the left right now, i actually find it really disrespectful. i have had great -- i feel a lot more calm about president-elect donald trump since he has been elected with the people he has reached out to. again, i know people want me to stop always talking about my father, but he has reached out to him, and i know for a fact -- sandra: and you said your

father's forgiven him. meghan: -- they had a very respectful conversation. until i'm given a reason to believe he's not going to try and reach out to other republicans, to other democrat, by the way, mike pence is meeting with nancy pelosi, i just find the idea that someone's calling him on the wrong phone, he's the new president of the united states. i'm sure a lot of people are calling him. from everyone that i know, he is calling the right people. and i'm sorry, my father is the chairman of the armed services committee. that is a person that's a big deal, and i know for a fact that they have communicated, so i don't know what the -- sandra: another piece of news that just came out was a reporter stood up and asked the president if he had anything to say about the violent protests that we have been seeing in this country. he did not use that or take that opportunity to condemn the riots that we have seen. shouldn't he have seized on that moment with the world watching? >> i wouldn't have expected the president to seize on that opportunity because he's encouraged occupy wall street, he's encouraged black lives matter, and now he says nothing when people are bashing in store

windows up and down fifth avenue and in portland. they have demonized president-elect trump for a year calling him a monster, adolf hitler, and everyone's surprised though the democratic pace base is out there throwing things through windows -- julie: are you -- >> of course they're angry. they've been told for a year by the press and hillary clinton and president obama this guy's the devil. julie: may i ask a question? is anybody on this couch that probably the most powerful man in this man's administration is steve bannon? >> no one even cares -- julie: nobody cares? oh, i care. meghan: we have checks and balances. i'm sorry, he wasn't elected dictator. republicans have control of the senate and the congress, there's a lot of people with power, he's reaching out to them. i can't go into this dark place with everyone right now because i am electing to give him a chance. and as you are all more than aware, i was highly critical of donald trump during the election process. for the good of the country, we should come together and give this man a chance to lead. julie: i was ready to do this

until steve bannon -- harris: we tossed to the sound bite, and we didn't get to talk about why. the idea of seriousness for one president to say about another president-elect, that he's not serious, that's the, that's kind of the underlying tone there. julie: right. harris: why? meag heag coming from the president -- [inaudible] [inaudible] when those world leaders are going to have to do what he's called upon them to do which is come with a unified voice, who's going to want to unify with a guy he just called a name? julie: i don't disagree with you. i have a big problem with presidents going abroad and criticizing this country. don't go to another country and criticize our leadership, so i agree with you. harris: all eyes are on trump tower today. he's been meeting with possible cabinet members all day long in new york city, and that continues now. the list is long. we're going to go back into it, but we've been seeing people come in and out, and as that happens, we'll tell you what's going on. they are now starting to confirm some of those choices. the story is developing this hour, and we will bring it to

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sandra: fox news alert, we are keeping b eye on trump tower as the next white house leadership is taking shape. we've been told to expect some cabinet picks soon. some of the big names meeting with president-elect trump

today, former secretary of state henry kissinger, governors nikki haley and rick scott. all this as mr. trump's team announces that anyone appointed to a high post in the administration will be barred from being a lobbyist for five years after they leave government service. drain the swamp, as they say, jesse watters. >> yes. i think a lot of the leaks about chaos and knife-fighting come from lobbyists. there's going to be nasty critters and little alligators and lobbyists and special interests that are going to be screaming for dear life as this five-year ban takes hold. and i think that's a good thing. and i think the level of noise you're going to hear from these nasty people that don't represent the cub, that represent -- the country, that represent special interests instead, it's going to get louder and louder. and you can even see it now in congress. they want to bring earmarks back. just wait until he does term limits and ethics reform.

[laughter] this place is going to get nasty, and i think even democrats can get on board. sandra: this is the trump/pence ticket, they campaigned on this. isn't this a sign they're following through? julie: yeah, god knows, everybody knows rudy giuliani isn't part of it, mike flynn who's not a d.c. guy? >> he's not a d.c. guy. harris: look at evan bayh. how dud he do? julie: i don't disagree, but let's be very clear about who's surrounding donald trump right now, this is -- >> they just purged the entire transition team from lobbyists. julie: what are you talking about? meghan: henry kissinger -- julie: he runs kissinger associates. meghan: you can't speak out of both sides of your mouth when you say he's not meeting with

experts in foreign policy. this is going to be very hard to enforce, because there are consultants and advisers -- julie: henry kissinger. meghan: can you please let me finish? the one thing i will say, i actually know some lobbyists who i think do really good work for the nra and second amendment rights. there are some places where it's not necessarily a bad thing. if -- sandra: all right, we've got to leave it there. we'll continue this discussion on outnumbered overtime. please join us. log on now. it's a heated discussion here on the couch, and it was a shortened version of outnumbered, but we'll see you in a few minutes online. "happening now" starts right after this break. erybody. she just started to decline rapidly. i was rushed to the hospital... my symptoms were devastating. the doctor said, "pam! if you'd have waited two more days, you would've died."

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