>> that's all, i love you, america. harvey levin: the objects people keep in their home define who they are. this is "objectified: donald trump." >> the objects people keep in their homes define who they are. this is objectify donald trump. >> you're about to see donald trump like you have never seen him before, in his home, talking about his life, the high points and the low. i went to his penthouse high above fifth avenue in trump tower. we want you to see the next president of the united states, the father, the aspiring sports announcer and the brother who

still grieves for his brother's death. >> i want to tell you what we're going to do. >> okay. >> so, you know, you get on stage and you do speeches every day. i want to talk about donald trump, the guy who became what you are today and how that happened. but it's going to be told through objects that span from your childhood until now. >> okay. >> so i would like to start. i'm going to go pick a picture. i'm going to find you young and i'll be right back. >> okay. >> i'm assuming this is you. >> yep. >> so how old were you then. >> what do you think? it looks like 3, maybe 3. >> were you rich then. >> yeah, my father was a builder. >> right. >> and he was a very good builder too, he knew how to build a house. people still tell me, i live in a house your father built.

>> did you live opulently as a kid? >> it was a great environment. but it was a little bit different than today, but a great environment. >> why? because you are a very manhattan kind of guy. >> i grew up overlooking central park and now when i go there, it seems kind of quaint. >> i don't think of you as a quaint guy. >> utopia park, it's a great exit. so i'll stop and take a look at my house where i grew up with my parents, my brothers and sisters. i had a good early life. >> were you spoiled? >> probably. >> how so? >> you know, i had parents who spoiled me. my father was tough, and my mother maybe in her own way was tougher, but she spoiled me. >> i understand you actually worked as a child. you worked a paper route?

>> i did the paper thing. i cleaned laundry rooms because if my father had a building or something, it had a little laundry room. and collect sometimes the coins from the machines. >> i read that when it rained, you took your dad's limo to deliver papers. >> well, that is a story that's out there. i don't believe so. >> there is a story out about a music teacher you thought didn't think anything about music. and you kicked the music teacher because you thought she didn't know anything? >> that story is very exaggerated. that story is all over the place, i hate that story, but that's not something i would do. >> how were you punished as a kid? because your dad was a disciplinary? >> and so was my mother. the wooden spoon, my mother would say, i'm going to get the wood on spoon, but she would never get it. >> so there was no corporal

punishment? >> no. they were firm, my father was a very strong guy, but he was a very loving guy, very kind, big heart, but he was a tough guy. >> so for the first 12 years of your life, what's your take away from it? what kind of sticks with you today? >> i realize the value of having great family, great parents. i had great parents. successicess is a very importan thing, it's been very important to me. and one of the most important things i ever did was going to new york military academy. this is an old yearbook from when i went to school. here's my picture. it's sort of funny. >> wow, you are full military there. >> that was a really good place, actually. yeah, i met people up there.

one of them is a drill sergeant, i guess. and he was rough. and i remember the first day i went out there, he said stand up at attention to everybody. and i'm like, oh, give me a break. >> how old were you when you went to military school? >> after i graduated high school, 17, something. >> when you were 13 and you went to military school. >> it was upstate new york, called new york military academy. good place. >> but your family still lived in queens? >> they lived in queens. >> why did you go? >> my father thought it would be good for discipline reasons. >> that's a big thing to send you kid to upstate new york, what kind of problems were you having? >> i was rebellious, compared to what you're reading about today, i was rebellious. >> in class i was a smart

person, but i would be very rambunctious, i would talk way out of turn. >> did you resent your dad when he september you? >> no, not at all, i understood. >> did he sit you down and tell you why he was sending you? >> he said i want to ship you up. >> kids rebel, and your dad obviously felt at a point that you needed that kind of structure. >> maybe you just mentioned the word, it was structure, it was great structure for me. its structuralized my thinking and my life. it had a good imagine on me. i had a chance to get it. i was a catholic, i graduated at the high et cetera level in terms of the military rank. i was captain of the baseball team. i loved that whole military environment. and today i have a feeling for the military and today maybe it's because of that.

>> tell me about the car. >> it's barron's car. it's barron when he was little. >> this is barron's car today, because barron's 5'10" and 10 years old. >> when he was little, that was his car. >> everybody, whether thiey support you or oppose you, they say all of your kids are great, they focused and they love you. >> i think having trump genetics, we have wanted to be in the donald trump business almost from the time we were born. >> we spent a lot of a lot of time watching him engage in business was very helpful. >> how go you score 100% on that? how do you do that? >> well, you know, it's also -- i don't know, it's also and so

important, you can be strict, you can lay down the rule. you have smart children, you don't have smart children, you love them all. there's something very nice about that. i think it's important to make children understand the value of a dollar, the value of work, the value of money, the value of achievement. >> duco you think that's really critical in how your children turned out? >> it's so important, they have to understand values and they have to understand what it means to be successful. >> we didn't go play ball, i followed him around in real estate and watching him working so it's been a culmination of all that expertise and knowledge and getting to work with him. >> are your children spoiled? >> yes, i believe they're spoiled. but you can't let them be too

spoiled. >> so barron, is he kind of cut from the same cloth as your other kids? >> i think he's very similar, he's smart and strong and good, he's got a good heart. >> strong willed? >> he is his dad, they call him little donald around here. >> i don't know, maybe we should not wish that on him. >> he can't go on the internet, right? >> he actually does, he's pretty advanced when it comes to the computers. but you know you talk about bullying and cyber bullying and all the things the kids have to go through, i think it's a lot tougher for children today. >> is he doing good? >> he is, i hope. >> i understand you have high standards for your kids. >> no drugs, no alcohol, no tattoos. >> i have a lot of friends who have tattoos.

>> how involved are you in child rearing? >> not too much. i would like to say a lot. i talk to all my children. but not in the sense of that much involvement, it's nothing i'm proud of, but their mothers have done such a good job. this is the chair that i used in the board room of "the apprentice." we had a lot of good luck, 14 seasonings. >> if you weren't in this show, would you be in a position to do what you've done? >> it may have helped me develop a certain skill. >> what is that skill? are you a sore loser? >> i don't want to lose at heart, you just don't want to be the one. many sleep-aids have pain medicine

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>> a lot of people ask that question. >> it's changed the perception of you. >> before we found out who won. you know it is my hair, you know that. and it may have helped me develop a certain skill for television, who knows whatever that is. but i will say if it weren't for the apprentice, it's for me been a great experience. >> you say you developed skills from a chef, that translates into politics. >> i thought i had that skill from the beginning from the very first episode. i want to pass on what i know, i want an apprentice. >> you can always get better at something. and now arnold will do the show, we'll see how arnold does. >> let's get down to business. >> you come off in that show as

a supremely confident decision maker who is gruff and tough. to me, i'm back here as a fighter, i'm back here as a winner. >> you are a writtener. great, bret, you're fired. >> it's my way and it's the highway. >> wouldn't you say you crossed the line? >> i crossed the line. >> this is why your country has gotten in such trouble. this is the kind of thinking that we have been witnessing on wall street for the last five years. >> did that carry over to politics? >> i think what you have to do in showbiz and in politics is be yourself, unless you're playing another character. so in my case, i was playing myself so all i had to do was be myself. you're lazy, you claim to be like me? the difference is i work hard. it was a great honor to have done it. 14 seasons, that's a long time. turning down a continuation was a tough decision for me.

that was one of the tougher decisions. i remember mark burnett said they want to renew you. everybody in showbiz, how many people say no? i said no, i don't want to be ri newed, which are going to run for president. get lucky. it's a club championship trophy. >> that you won? >> i have won al of club championships over the year. >> sports has been a big part of your life? >> yes. >> why has it connected with you the way it has? because you are intensely a sports guy? >> i have always loved playing sports and i love the competition of sports. sports to me is very important. >> has it helped you with

discipline and kind of just getting things done? >> yeah, probably so. i mean who really knows? i don't think of it that way. i do it because i enjoy it, what it's tennis or golf, or whatever you may play, when you get older, your choices are more limited. you can't put together like 18 people on a baseball field. but i have always loved being a sportsman or playing sports. ♪ one two three strikes your out at the old ball game ♪ >> you admire athletes? >> i respect winners, i respect great athletes. and you learn so much from sports, because it's sort of a microchasm of life. except one thing, you have a winner and it's a loser and it takes place in a short period of time. in life, you kind of me yachandd

you don't know when you're going to win or lose. >> he's a guy who likes winning like you. you think he's got what it takes? >> i hope so, there's plenty of green on the white house lawn, i'll tell you that. >> what did you think of deflate-gate? >> i know he's an honorable guy. and i'm with him all the way. >> shaq has said that you intimidate him. >> he's a straight up guy, if he sees your shirt, he'll sty take off that shirt. >> i don't think anybody intimidates shaq, including me. >> you have used golf to make deals and cements relationships.

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here's what's happening. president-elect donald trump continuing to build his administration. he's holding meetings this weekend at his golf club in new

jersey with potential appointees, one of those who met with mr. donald trump was mitt romney who was critical of trump during the primaries. romney had this to say after the meetings. >> it was thorough and we talked about a lot during the time we had. and i look forward to working with mr. trump during the next administration. >> a senior transition team member telling fox news, reti d retire -- >> president obama is in peru on his last foreign trip as leader of the u.s. he's meeting with foreign leaders to discuss the trans pacific partnership. it's been one of the top foreign policy initiatives of his second

term. he's telling his foreign colleagues not to presume the worst about the president-elect when it comes to trade. prosecutors say a 17-year-old communicated with a man appearing in an isis video claiming responsibility. 86 people were killed in the july attack. in north dakota, the army corps of engineers delaying approval for the final piece of the dakotas access pipeline, protests have been held for the 1,100-mile pipeline for fears it will damage tribal lands. sanders will still work with the democratic party on its outreach program trying to attract new members. sanders current senate term ends in 28. so those are your brothers

and sisters? >> yes. >> you have a big family. >> five in terms of children, and a great father and a great mother. >> tell me about freddie. >> unbelievable personality, the best, very, very handsome guy, everybody loved him. much better than me in a lot of ways. >> in what ways? >> he had a tremendous heart. i have heart, i love people. but he had something special. and he had the whole package, and he got into trouble with the alcohol. >> he really became horribly addicted to alcohol? >> he did and he died of that. and i tell people, i tell my family, we could not talk about it, or we could talk about it. i think what we're doing by talking about it is freddie is helping people.

his legacy is that he's helping people. i never took a drink because of my brother, if you don't ever start you'll never have a problem. if you do start, you might have a problem. >> he died at 42, really from alcoholism. how did it affect you? >> amazingly, because it's not a natural progression, you know, you don't lose your young brother with so much life and so much potential. >> you are really adamant about that with your kids. donald jr. has been open that during college he drank too much, and he decided to stop. did it scare you when he started drinking? >> i heard about it and i was a little surprised because i was heavy with them on, i mean every day, every time they would leave the house, no drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes.

so i was a little bit surprised. >> did you intervene when you knew he was drinking? >> i spoke to him. but he never had the big problem. but you never know what's going to happen. that could have been on the way. >> you said something interesting, you said if you don't start, you're not going to have a problem. >> the easiest is to don't start. >> does it worry you that you might have that gene, something inside of you that if you took a drink, you wouldn't stop, you might turn into what happened to fred and does it scare you. >> yeah, but the nice part is, if you don't drink, you don't have to worry about it. so i said, maybe i have that gene, so i'll drink very, very little. but if you have that gene, you're never going to stop. i do have a personality that maybe you would carry me out of this room someday. >> what do you mean by that? >> you don't know, sometimes you think you're going to drink in

moderation, but if you have the gene, i don't think you can moderate easily. >> do you moderate out of fear or out of choice? >> both. >> ivanka was 23 and she came in and said dad i'm going out, and you said, i do not want you to drink, boys will take advantage of you, it's a bad thing. >> again, i learned from my brother, and i have been very strict with my children about that. sometimes even very successful people will say could you talk to my child and get him -- >> do you? >> i do. >> back to fred, is that painful for you to talk about? >> less than i would think, because i really think by you and i talking about it,

somebody's out there, if it's only one person, that's okay too. there's one person out there who's out there who's not going to be drinking or not going to be taking drugs or not going to be starting smoking cigarettes because of the conversation we're having right now. and there's something really cool about that, don't you think? >> business school was not your first choice? >> i wanted to be in a business that you're very familiar with with. i wanted to make motion pictures. >> what was it about -- i mean that's shocking. tell me what the trump white house would look like? because your place is a little like versailles.

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levin: so, tell me about what this is. trump: that is the entrepreneur of the year award from the wharton school of finance, which, of course, is always a nice thing to get from that kind of a school. levin: you got that when you were in school? trump: i got that a little bit after that. i guess i got that from doing deals. i was awarded that.

levin: so, this was--overall, they looked around the country and they said, "this is the guy." trump: i guess. i didn't ask. i picked it up and i was out of there, so-- levin: my understanding is business school was not your first choice. trump: well, i wanted to be in a business that you're very familiar with. i wanted to make motion pictures. i absolutely did. i was going to apply to usc. levin: usc film school. trump: and i was absolutely going to do that. i loved it. wade. wade: trump. trump: i hear kelson finally dumped you. wade: not exactly, no. we just came to a mutual understanding that she couldn't bear me for another second, that's all. levin: what was it about-- i mean, that's shocking. why-- what was it that literally was gonna make you break from what your dad did and start a career in film? trump: i just liked it. i always liked it. i liked the glamour of movies.

the thing that's hard with that business is you never know what's gonna hit, and like, we do "the apprentice." who would've thought that was gonna be such a big hit, right? well, it's been great, and you know, it became the number-one show on television, and now it's yet another big hit. now, in real estate, there's always risks in everything, but if i get the best location, i do the best-looking building, i get it up on time and on budget, i do things, you know, you have a pretty good chance of success. with a movie, you see, they spend 200 million on a movie and it's a bomb and they spend $500,000 on it, it's a tremendous success, so, you never really-- levin: i gotta tell you, just based on what i know about your personality, that really surprises me, because i have never heard you risk-averse. i've never heard you say, "it's just too risky. i'm fearful of it." and it sounds like movies are almost too big a gamble. trump: i think they are a gamble. i mean, i've seen it. i love the concept of making movies. i love the old great movies--"sunset boulevard." levin: could you have cut it? trump: i don't know. you never know. i have always said if you

can make it in one business, you can make it in another business. levin: do you believe that? trump: yeah, i do. if you like it, if you have an aptitude for it. and you have to be interested in it. but i've always felt, harvey, that if you can make it in one, you'll make it in another, if you like it. you have to like it. you have to love it. we can't be defending japan and we can't be defending saudi arabia and the persian gulf and everybody else. other countries have to pay us for the services we're rendering or this country's gonna go right down the tubes, and that is a shame. phil donahue: and we'll be back in just a moment. [applause] trump: so, you spotted this, but it's a letter from richard nixon. levin: written 1987. trump: and it was just amazing that he wrote. you can read it. levin: "i did not see the program but mrs. nixon told me that you were great on the "donahue" show. as you can imagine, she is an expert on politics and she predicts that whenever you decide to run for office you will be a winner!

with warm regards, sincerely, dick." did you know him? trump: not well, no, i didn't know him, but he would write me letters. it was very interesting. he always wanted me to run for office, but-- levin: were you talking about it back then? trump: not really. oprah winfrey: this sounds like political presidential talk to me, and i know people have talked to you about whether or not you want to run. would you--would you ever? trump: probably not, but i-- i do get tired of seeing the country... winfrey: why would you not? trump: i just don't think i really have the inclination to do it. i love what i'm doing. i really like it. winfrey: also it doesn't pay as well. [laughter] trump: i just probably wouldn't do it, oprah, i probably wouldn't, but i do get tired of seeing what's happening with this country, and if it got so bad, i would never want to rule it out totally. honestly, the first time i really started thinking about doing it was 4 years ago. levin: but this is a guy who clearly saw you after you wrote your book, when you were a successful businessman, and he projected you into politics. trump: well, he--and he had some rough life. i mean, when you think of his life, that was a life of anguish and turmoil,

wouldn't you say? but it was interesting because he wrote this letter and i just... levin: and you really didn't know him at all. trump: i didn't know him well, no. i didn't know him well. levin: does business train you for politics? trump: yeah, i think to a certain extent. i think you need heart, more heart, maybe, in politics, which i think i have, actually, but there are certain things in politics. you have to be a little bit different. maybe you have to be a little bit softer in a certain way, certainly in terms of your thought process, but-- levin: softer in politics than business? trump: look, i mean, think of the decisions that have to be made when you're thinking about sending young men and women into war. ok? into war. you don't have that kind of a decision if you're running a company or if it's business. i mean, these are such monumental decisions. it's a tough--there's no--there's nothing easy about it, that i can tell you. i am officially running... [crowd cheering] for president of the united states. levin: you are a very headstrong guy. when you made the announcement in this building that you were running for president, how improbable

did it seem that you would get to this point? trump: you know, i didn't think i was gonna do it and lose. i mean, you do it to win, right? levin: well, some people do it to make a statement, really knowing they're not gonna get this far. trump: i did it because i thought i could win. levin: so, this doesn't surprise you at all, what's happened? trump: well, it surprises a lot of people. maybe it doesn't surprise me. it doesn't-- i mean, i'm not saying this in a braggadocious way. it doesn't surprise a lot of the people that know me. levin: the day you went down that escalator, you thought you were gonna be the next president of the united states. trump: i think so, because if i didn't think that, i don't think i would've gone down the escalator. levin: tell me what the trump white house would look like, because your place is... a little like versailles. ha! what's gonna change at the white house? trump: i think the white house is such a special place and it has such a special meaning for american people, especially, but for the world. it's a world meaning. and nothing would change in the white house.

the white house will remain the way it is. it's a very special place. in terms of representation or meaning, there's nothing like it. levin: what attracted you to melania? she is stunning, but there's gotta be more than that for it to last this long. trump: look, beauty is, you know, a very nice thing, but after the first hour, you still have to talk to somebody. esurance does auto insurance a smarter way. like their photo claims tool. it helps settle your claim quickly, which saves time, which saves money. and when they save, you save. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. esurance does insurance a smarter way, which saves money. like bundling home and auto coverage, which reduces red tape, which saves money. and when they save, you save. that's home and auto insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call.

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trump: well, my father was a very special guy. he was strong and kind and good and very smart, and i enjoyed my father a lot. levin: how important was he in terms of who you've become? trump: i think he was like sort of everything. he was for me the mentor, my best friend. he just had the whole--the whole ballgame... levin: so, give me the qualities that you think are embodied in you from him. trump: well, i think i have a certain similarity. we loved detail, we loved order. when we built, we built on time. we got people to work. he was a good leader. he believed men and women--now, in those days, it was men--but he'd lead them to getting a building done or

getting a home built or whatever he was doing. and you know, i have that same quality. levin: it seems, though, as much as he influenced you, you wanted to outdo him. he was in queens. he did housing projects. you were in manhattan. you built skyscrapers. trump: i don't think i wanted to outdo him, but maybe psychologically, i did. i would never be able to say to you, "oh, i did," but you know, it could be you're always looking to do maybe a little better than your parents or whatever it may be, but i don't think i-- certainly, i never thought of it in terms of overtly, but maybe deep down inside, maybe i did, and he was very proud of me. he was very proud of the buildings i built. he was very proud of the success that i've had. i've had this incredible success, and he was so proud, and he lived to be almost 94 years old, so, he got to see a lot of it. levin: where did you get the showmanship from? trump: i think my mother had a natural showmanship. she was born in scotland. always respected the queen. always

liked pomp and ceremony. so, i figure maybe that's where it happened. i don't know. but my mother loved--as an example, the buckingham palace thing. she thought it was so beautiful. the changing of the guard. levin: with queen elizabeth? trump: with queen elizabeth. [music playing] she had a lot of respect for the queen. always thought she was a terrific person. levin: your dad was ki of cynical of that. trump: yeah, my father would've been a little bit the opposite, but it was very--it was an interesting combination. well, that is the wedding invitation. it was a beautiful day at the mar-a-lago club in palm beach. levin: 2005? trump: yeah. that was very nice. levin: what attracted you to melania? trump: well, she's a very, very good person. very kind. great mother. unbelievable mother. and we had a very immediate attraction, absolutely.

levin: she is stunning. but there's gotta be more than that for it to last this long. trump: look, beauty is, you know, a very nice thing, but after the first hour, you still have to talk to somebody. but no, she's been--she's been terrific. levin: she is kind of a traditional wife... trump: totally. levin: and it seems like that suits you. trump: i think it does. it does. but she's very traditional. would rather stay at home than, you know, anything else. you know, she's very traditional. i think that's good. levin: and, you know, i hear she's incredibly involved with barron and drives him to school every day. trump: she takes him to school. she's very involved with him. she--she loves family. i mean, her whole thing, and her parents are here every once in a while. they'll come over from europe and she loves having them here. she's a very good person. levin: when you decided to run for the white house, did she wince? trump: well, she did, and you

know, rightfully so, i mean, and they were saying she's an illegal immigrant, and you know, it's like the--oh, did she get hit. levin: when you sit down with her, will she argue with you? does she win? trump: i mean, she has great sense, common sense, but great sense. levin: is she in your ear a lot in terms of-- trump: well, she--she has-- yeah. she has a certain understanding of the world that's pretty good. she comes from europe. levin: does that help? is levin: she's pretty much the dominant factor in raising barron. trump: yes. oh, yes, she is. i mean, i--i'm a good father,

but she's very dominant when it comes to raising our son. levin: is she looking forward to life as a first lady in the white house? there are some people who seem to embrace it and others, like pat nixon, never did. trump: oh, i know, and there are some women that wouldn't like it, some women--i think maybe-- i think she'd do a great job. i think she'd be very, very helpful to charities, different charities. but i can't tell you yet whether or not she'd embrace it, because it's not easy to embrace. levin: you have put your name on all your buildings. that name means a lot to you. that's ego. i mean, do you view ego as a bad thing?

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because why would you take a pain medicine when all you want is good sleep? zzzquil: a non-habit forming sleep-aid that's not for pain, just for sleep. levin: what the heck is this? ha! trump: these are magazine covers over the last 6 months, and i think 5 or 6 times on the cover of "time," and it's crazy. levin: so, what strikes me about this is there are some that are not even particularly flattering, but you've got them proudly displayed. trump: boy, i have a lot of them. some are not flattering, but they're there. levin: this must give you some gratification to see that you're on every magazine cover. trump: well, it doesn't. not all good stories. levin: is having the stories more important and relevant to you than-- trump: no, i'm not a believer in all publicity is good publicity. i think--i'm not a believer in that at all. a lot of people say i like that and i think it's great, but it's--it's not. levin: when you drive around your city and you see your name

on all these buildings, that must give you a real sense of satisfaction. trump: it does. i mean, i've always loved new york. it's special. and you know, to have done so well in this city is, like, to me, it's a great honor. there's something great about it. levin: there are people who say that this and the buildings and everything else is ego. to that you say what? trump: no, it's not ego. i love doing it. i just have fun. we have a period of time that we're on earth, and we like to do a good job, but i love doing it. i've had such an incredible time. i would've never thought that if i run for office, i was gonna end up with this. this is, by the way, a small sample of what's taken place. trump steaks are by far the best-tasting, most flavorful beef you've ever had. truly in a league of their own. man: "trump: the game." because it's not what you win or lose, it's whether you win. levin: that's ego. i mean, do you view ego as a bad thing? trump: no, i don't. i mean, i see a lot of people with ego. they're good people. they're bad people. you know, you don't

know. but i do see a lot of people that win have a big ego. levin: who are you? who's donald trump? trump: i mean, always a very tough question, but i'm somebody that likes to help people. i like to see things done right. but you know, above all, i want to make life good for a lot of people, not just myself. i don't want to--i've won so much. i've won enough for myself. i want to win for the country now. i hate seeing, harvey, what's happening to our country. levin: if you had to define yourself as a smart person, a savvy person, you know, a tenacious person, which of those most suits you in terms of who you are as a guy? trump: i mean, you know, look, i'm smart, i went to good schools, i did well, so, i guess i'm smart. i'm very tenacious. i won't give up, certainly, and never give up. i always tell people, "never, ever quit, never, ever give up, always do something you love." but, you know, never quit. never quit. you'd have so much more success if people would

just keep going. levin: even against odds. trump: even against odds. man: let's go back to [indistinct]. trump: i'm leaving for new hampshire. so, we won't be too much longer. i'm going up to do a speech in new hampshire now, so-- levin: today? trump: yeah. am i going? rona? rona: no, you have fallon next. trump: oh, i have jimmy fallon. are you gonna come with me? levin: to fallon? trump: yeah. jimmy fallon. i'm on--what time do i have to be there? oh, i'm not doing new hampshire today? rona: you are after fallon. trump: how about that for a schedule? levin: jesus. trump: harv, i'm gonna have to go after this one. can we--is this the last one? levin: no. trump: this is pretty intense. levin: ah, no, it's not. trump: how much--how much more do we-- levin: i need 45 minutes. it's an hour show. where am i standing, guys? trump: are you going over to fallon? levin: no. trump: are you friendly with him at all or not?

levin: i don't really know him. i mean... trump: let me get--i'll get on this side, maybe, if it's cool. that is the longest interview i have ever done in my life-- and intense. come here. levin: thank you so much. trump: believe me! turn sblos into an ugly experience for the vice president-elect. >> we have america whom alarmed and anxious that the administration will not protect us. >> if the "hamilton" cast thinks they can lecture the man america chose. i have words for them in tonight's opening statement. plus the transition team transitions from the big apple to the garden state as one of the president-elect critics pays a visit to read a three pre-thanksgiving crow. >> i appreciate the chance to