so speaking of stirewalt, there's a great story about stirewalt and yours truly in a bar in 'settle for more." who's your favorite guest? see you tomorrow. tonight -- >> this really speak to incompetence. they can't keep the president-elect from making a fool of himself. >> sit time to drain the media swamp. >> he looks foolish. >> the latest attacks from the alt-left radical left mainstream media are outrageous. lawrie ingram and ari fleischer are not. president-elect trump made specific promises to you the american people on the campaign trail. how does he plan to keep those promises? vice president elect mike pence will join us in the studio for more. all of that plus ainsley earhart but marco rue yo are here. welcome to "hannity." it's time to drain the media

swamp. laurie ingram and ari fleischer will be here in a moment. but first the opening monologue. the abusive mainstream media continue to show they're unanyone to cover president-elect donald trump fairly. take a look at this report from jeff zeleny. take a look. >> donald trump is showing signs tonight of being a sore winner. the president-elect is suggesting with zero evidence to back up his claim that he won the popular vote and he's a victim of wide spread election fraud. >> is that fair and balanced? president-elect trump responded by retweeting criticisms of sell any's report and tweeted cnn is so embarrassed by their total 100% support of hillary clinton and yet her loss and a landslide, they don't know what to do. later he added, quote, i thought that at cnn would get better after they failed so badly in their support of hillary clinton.

however since the election they are worse. now it's important to remember that jeff zeleny, he's the same so-called journalist, remember he fawned over president obama back in 2009. remember this question back when he was working at the "the new york times"? take a look. >> during his first 100 days, what has surprised you the most about this office, enchanted you the most about serving in this office, humbled you the most and troubled you the most. >> let me write this down. what was the first one? >> surprised, troubled. >> troubled. >> enchanted and humbled. >> enchanted. and what was the last one? >> humbled. thank you sir. >> enchanted, really? now he had the chance to ask the president a real question and that's the one he picked? now zeleny, he's not alone over there at cnn. there's a lot of trump bashing going on 24/7. let's take a look. >> this speak to incompetence.

they can't keep the president-elect from making a fool of himself on twitter by saying that millions of people voted illegally. he looks foolish saying something like that. >> it's an unprecedented move, donald trump using his platform to question the integrity of the american election system. >> this evening, the president-elect is continuing one of the trademark twitter tirades blasting the effort to recount votes in some states. >> this was a white lash. this was a white lash against a changing country. it with us a white lash against a black president in part. >> wow. cnn looking pretty foolish. now i've been saying since 2008 journalism is dead and those were only a few of the countless examples that prove it. but the lib rap mainstream media is not interested in the truth or the facts. they're all about pushing their radical left wing agenda. they're trying to damage president-elect trump. so my question is, why should

donald trump grant equal access to all of them? now in this day and age of social media, he didn't need to press to connect with you, the american people. and as i said before, i think it's time to reevaluate the press and maybe change the traditional relationship with the press and the white house. for example, would president obama allow 50 sean hannitys in the press pool asking him and his press secretary questions every single day? no, of course not. so my message tonight to the press is simple. you guys are done. you've been exposed as fake, as having an agenda, as colluding. you're a fake news organization. here with reaction, the editor and chief, fox news contributes, radio talk show host laura ingraham and ari fleischer. there are rumors that laura may be calling ari for advice -- i'll move on. ari, you wrote a piece in "the wall street journal."

am i right about this? does donald trump need to same dog and phony pony show to go on this cat and mouse game with the media that we know is biassed, that was in the tank with hillary clinton. why would cnn deserve a seat in the media room in the white house? >> well the fact of the matter is the president and his team have lat dude to make any number of changes in the way that the white house press works. there are no laws. what governs it is tradition and mutual respect. he can make huge changes. i would counsel not to go as far as you're going. i do think there's something to be gained by talking with the mainstream media, fighting this with them, getting your points across. it's a road game when you deal with the mainstream media. >> but what about all of these organizations, cnn giving questions to hillary clinton, cnn seeking questions for the republican nominee from the dnc, cnbc, abc, nbc, msnbc.

why? why does he have to waste his time with people that we don't know like him and colluded with the other side? why? >> this is why i wrote the piece for "the wall street journal." this's a bigger more broader important point. that is that the american people have lost faith in the press. according to the gallop poll, trust in the press is at an all-time low. the pugh poll, 5% of american people have a great deal of confidence in the media. the press lost the people that it needs to rely on. the press brought this on itself and i think donald trump will be smart to diversify the press, bring in different groups of people, foreign reporters, business writers. i'd love to see one day liberal and conservative dot-coms in the briefing room. >> what do you think, laura? >> i think you should be in the

briefing room every day. i'd love you asking questions. ari has a point. i'm not sure i would throw it away and say we're not going to do the briefings anymore. but i do think when it comes to reporting, real straight reporting, there are networks and i think you named one, cnn, sean, that is so far in the tank for the democrats, so far in the tank for political correctness -- do you know how pathetic they are? i just got an e-mail from some kid, i guess he's a reporter for cnn, who went to dartmouth college to go through old copies to have dartmouth review to write a piece or do a piece -- >> on you? >> on what i wrote about as editor of the dartmouth review 30-plus years ago. i mean, this is -- yeah, i also short sheeted kids' beds at camp. >> romney was a bully in high school, remember that in 2012? >> they're dispatching reporters to interview professors in their

80s that i wrote columns about. this is what it is. we have all of these problems with isis and immigration and they're going back to dartmouth library. it's the funniest thing -- >> laura, your life is of great interest. the country needs to know. >> he's like i want to talk to you on the record. i'm like no, i only talk to real news organizations. go d. >> do you think there might be a benefit if you colluded to such a high level, i'll just cnn as an example. you don't get that seat back. as a matter of course, ari is talking about tradition. but that tradition has changed. the media landscape has changed. their relevance is greatly diminished and i would argue that most people do not get their news from those sources any longer. maybe it's time to reevaluate all of this. >> it's within trump's purview. ari is right. trump sets the rules in the way he wants the press operation to work. i haven't given it much thought. i think people have gotten so

smart and hip to what they're doing that it's a bunch of white noise. and i'm not saying that all of the folks over at cnn are bad people or there's some good reporters, i think there are, there are some really fair reporters there. but the kind of stuff they're doing, the games they're playing are so transparent that they're either going to just -- they're the fake news organizations. >> it's funny, right? >> a lot of the dot-c ordot-com commentary spots. there are some of the organizations that are basely operating as hillary or democrat super pac. >> last word, ari. >> this is how the bias works and it bothers me. when president obama was elected the press widely reported historic win because he was african-american. where are the stories saying historic win by donald trump, first outsider. the press sees thing through the democrat filtered lens, race

identity, identity politics and liberal points of view. they hurt themselves when they do, distance themselves from the american people because there are so few conservatives who see things through the republican lens in the media. that's their biggest problem. that's why they tilt and why they're biassed. >> well said. laura's new website is doing well. vice president-elect mike pence here? the studio. he's about to hit the road with president-elect trump for a thank you. later tonight, marco rubio is here. we'll ask him about president-elect trump and fidel castro's death. >> ainsley earhart is here, straight ahead.

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headquarters. fox news learning tonight of a few more picks for president-elect donald trump's cabinet. transition sources say mr. trump will tap stephven mnuchin as prs secretary. sources say he'll big wilbur ross as commerce secretary. and president-elect trump dining tonight with myth romney. there they are. who could be a possible pick for secretary of state. mr. romney had this to say afterwards. >> i had a wonderful evening with president-elect trump. we had a discussion about the affairs of the world and these discussions i have been with him have been enlightening and interesting and engaging and i've enjoyed them very very much. >> and the transition team also says more announcements are expected early tomorrow morning. now back to "hannity." welcome back to "hannity." now president-elect donald trump

again hosting high profile meetings in new york including a dinner tonight with former governor myth romney. and on thursday night the president-elect will kick off his quote usa thank you tour in cincinnati, ohio. along with vice president-elect mike pence, he joins us here in the studio. congratulations. >> thank you, sean. >> has it hit you yet? >> no. maybe january toth. but we're so focused right now. the president-elect is so focused on the work, on assembling a cabinet, assembling a cabinet to move forward an ageneral that da that's going to make america great again. we'll leave when it hits us to later. >> hoi profile meetings. you did have two announcements today. i've known congressman price for years. he went into depth and detail about replacing obamacare, a big part of the trump agenda. >> it will be the first thing out of the gate. we're going to be back on capitol hill tomorrow, reince

priebus and i will be meetings with the house and the senate. and in january he wants to take up the case of replacing oba obamaca obamacare. and the appointment of tim price, someone who literally for half a dozen years has been in the forefront of efforts to repeal obamacare and put forward common sense free market solutions that will lower the cost of health solutions without growing the size of government. it's exciting and should be a source of great encouragement to millions of americans who know we've got to repeal obamacare but we've got to replace it with real solutions. >> average american is paying $41 more per family. some lost their doctors, lost their plans and projected increases this year. do you have any idea on the time frame, when that replacement might be able to happen? >> i think the first thing is to

repeal obama care lock, stock and barrel. make sure that we make it clear at the outset of the congress that we're starting over on health care reform, that respects the dr.-patient relationship and harnesses the power of the free market. what president-elect trump has said over and over again is it's time for us to allow americans to purchase health insurance across state lines. it's time to give people more consumer choices, health savings accounts, something he's championed since early in the campaign. and dr. tom price soon to be secretary price is going to help us take the agenda first to appeal and then to work with leaders in congress and the house and the senate to craft solutions which will be implemented, you know, over a phased in period of time. we don't want any american to be anxious about a transition. it will be an orderly transition as the president-elect said in that famous speech in philadelphia.

but we'll be working toward really a solution that's grounded in the american principles of free market economics and respecting the doctor-patient relationship. >> one position that seems to have gotten the most attention is secretary of state. >> right. >> big meeting with governor romney tonight. i know he was with general petraeus yesterday. rudy giuliani's name, senator bob ork r corker's name. obviously the decision hasn't been made. there are some good people here. but in the case of governor romney who called donald trump racist, misogynist, unqualified for the office, apparently shared his donor list with general mcmillon in his run. is that a game changer for you? is that difficult overcoming that from you perspective? >> it's such a privilege for me -- it's almost hard for me to express that i'm the vice president-elect of the united states. but to have been asked by the

president-elect to chair the transition, my first obligation is to bring together, you know, a broad range of men and women before the president-elect and his team so that he can sort out and create that lineup that's going to be able to move the trump agenda forward in the congress and all across the country. and i think what you're witnessing here -- we met with senator bob corker today at the trump tower, with general petraeus yesterday. met very often with rudy giuliani. and talked to john boll top, commutop, bolton. communicated with him. i think what you're witnessing here is a leader in president-elect donald trump who wants to take in all of the options. but i am absolutely confident that he's going to choose the right person in every single one of these cases that he believes is going to be best equipped to move his agenda forward and more importantly move the country

guard. >> let me ask this. vetting refugees, repatriation of trillions, 15% corporate tax rate, 7 bracket to three, he's going to build the wall, eliminate obamacare, energy independence and education back to the states. if those six, seven, eight things get done, this will profoundly change america. are you confident that all of those agenda item wills be accomplished? >> well, i really am. when the president-elect and i went to capitol hill just a couple short weeks ago, we met with leader mcconnell and speaker ryan. as i said, i'll be back on capitol hill tomorrow as we're laying out the details of that. my word when i went to capitol hill, i talked to members of congress, i said buckle up. it's not going to be a busy 100 days. it's going to be a busy 200 days. what you have in our

president-elect -- you've known him for a long time, a lot longer than i have. this is a man of boundless energy and creativity and he is absolutely determined to move that agenda forward and move it forward quickly. we're going to start out of the gate by repealing and replacing obamacare. we're going to take steps to achieve border security, build a wall and illegal immigration. you're going to see an appointment to the supreme court of a strict constructionist that is going to be in the tradition of the late and great justice antonin scalia. before we get to spring you're going to see president-elect trump make good on his pledge to cut taxes across the board for families, small businesses and to roll back the excessive regulations that are stifling american growth. and the other issues you mentioned as well. >> energy is big. >> unleashing the power of the

american economy, ending the war on coal. it really is extraordinary. people have been watching this transition and i think they're already getting a sense of the boundless energy that president-elect donald trump is bringing and to this effort and you're only going to see that accelerate in the weeks and months ahead. that's my word to them on capitol hill. i'll tell them tomorrow. >> get ready? buckle up? >> we're going to work for the american people and make america great again. >> the only obstacle could be the senate, the filibuster. and we know how harry reid dealt with that. would you want mitch mcconnell to do the same thing? >> well, i think -- you know, they changed the rules there with regard to all of the other court vacancies and frankly many of the confirmations. and you know, we're very grateful to have a republican majority in the senate, to have the necessary 51 votes to be able to move the

president-elect's agenda forward. but i think whether it's the supreme court, whether it's repealing and replacing obamacare, fund men call tax relief or ending illegal immigration, i think the other thing you better get used to is -- you're going to see it this week when the president-elect and i hit the road -- is a president donald trump is not going to just be talking to congress, he's going to be talking to the american people. he's going to be taking his case consistently to the american people and encouraging them -- you remember that other president that you liked a whole lot. >> ronald reagan. >> go ask the american people to call your congressman and call your senator. that's the reason why. i'm very confident we're going to see the trump agenda move forward and we're going to get this country working again and rebuild our military and do all of the kind of things that will make america great again. >> what could we glean from what we have seen in terms of your role so far? you've been in most of these meetings and they seem endless, they're monday through friday,

saturday and sunday. they don't seem to ever stop. i have known him a long time. he doesn't really like vacations. he wants to roll up his sleeves and get to work. what have you learned through this process of donald trump that maybe the american people don't know that you would want them to know? >> well, you know, i've just gotten to know him over the last six months. and at his very core he has an extraordinary intellect, extraordinarily creative. he's one of the most inherently curious people i've ever met in my life. to be in these meetings -- we've had a galaxy of extraordinary men and women from a broad range of backgrounds. many republicans and some democrats who have come in and sat down. and the questions that he asks, getting straight to the point. it just continues to give me the confidence that i had when i said yes to this job last summer that donald trump is going to be a great president of the united states because he has the

leadership qualities to really lead america forward and to inspire -- >> he seems -- there's been all sorts of definitions about the role of the vice president. but if we can glean anything from what we've seen in the last couple of weeks, you're going to have a very active role as vice president. is that what you envision? >> well -- >> you've been in almost every meeting. >> the role of the vice president will be exactly what the president defines it to be. i believe in servant leadership and i'm here to serve the president-elect in whatever capacity that he'll have me to serve. but to be alongside him, if you could be a fly on the wall -- >> i've been there a little bit. not during the meetings. >> the decision late today to name elaine chao as secretary of transportation, someone who was the longest serving secretary of labor since world war ii. but before that what president-elect donald trump was able to glean was actually the depth of her expertise comes in

the area of transportation and infrastructure. and his vision to rebuild the infrastructure of this country and ignite a whole new era of american growth based on a renewal of our commitment to have the best transportation, you know, on land and water and air in the world is going to be implemented by being able to identify someone like elaine chao and put her in a position that can implement his agenda. >> it's an honor to have you in the studio. thank you for your time. coming up, florida senator marco rubio will gin us next and we'll talk about president-elect trump, fidel castro's death and more. also, ainsley earhardt is here to talk about a brand-new survey that shows a majority of the people think that president-elect trump will follow through on the campaign prices. later tonigtrath ahead. because my dentures fit well.

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senator marco rubio was very busy on the cam pawn trail. in plord he won reelection and getting ready to serve his second term. we're happy to have you back on the program. congratulations. welcome back, sir. >> thank you. >> i guess the biggest question is republicans have said for a long tomb we need the house, we need the house and the senate and the white house. now that moment of opportunity exists. you know donald trump's agenda, vetting refugees, building the wall, we peeling, replacing obamacare, 15% corporate tax rate, repatriation, energy independence. are you in general agreement with everything, do you have issues with things and how do you think this will go in the senate. >> foreign policy, we'll see. he's never held public office before. but on the issue of domestic policy, you went through some of them. here's how i think it plays out. we send the early part of january and february working

through dozens of nominations not just to the cabinet but to all sorts of posts underneath that and get those in place as quickly as possible. we move then to obamacare's repeal which i think you'll see happen in the first two to three months next year and then begin the work of replacing it. and then you talk about border security. building a wall is a phrase that is about securing the border and enforcing our immigration laws. that's something we need to move on first. it's the key that unlocks the door to be able to do anything else on immigration. my view is that the first three or four months we're going to be busy. i was going over the senate schedule next year and there's very little recess breaks. it's going to be a lot of work that's planned into the time frame that we're here and the reason why is we anticipate being very busy, not the mention we need a budget. all of those things are going to take a lot of time. i'm excited about finally being in a position to pass law bs an repeal laws and have a president that will actually sign it.

>> what if senate democrats set the precedent using the nuclear option. is that something mitch mcconnell should consider? >> where would it come into play. the you look at the nomination, they changed the rule. and now by 51 votes we can get anyone confirmed except for the supreme court. that's why i fully anticipate by and large unless something troubling comes out, you're gouk to see the president-elect get his nominees. >> why woulcouldn't he use it f the supreme court? >> that's an interesting question. i believe we're going to get the supreme court under the current rules. i believe we'll get that fom nation. i really do. i'll leave it at that. as far as the other ones are concerned, we're going to get through that. a lot of names are being mentioned. they'll go through the process here haen and we're going to mo quickly. obamacare repeal, it was passed

through reconciliation. 51 votes in the senate. we can repeal obamacare using the exact same process. the senate has done that but we didn't have a president to sign it and now we do. >> he said he would get rid of the uranium deal and also said he would identify radical islamists. when we went into iraq we had brave men and women fight, bleed and die for cities like bagdad, ramadi and foo lallujah. that created a vacuum for isis. i think we can argue we did the same thing in vietnam, over 58,000 people died. foreign entanglements with the political process the way it is just don't work out and that's something we should try with all we have to avoid? >> well, a couple points. i'm not in favor of entanglements. i'm in favor of engagement.

the world is a better place when america is involved in the world. those are broad prow nounsmentes on the campaign trail. it's a big world. there are a lot of issues on foreign policy that were not discussed on the campaign trail. i cannot say where i think we're going to have a conflict with the president-elect. it's happened in other presidency in the past. you talk about broad pronouncements in jane, we want to defeat radical islam, we want to confront it and defeat it. as commander in chief he's going to have a significant amount of leeway to conduct that and make it happen. there may be differences of opinion on issues and if there is we'll do our role. the senate is independent of the presidency. it's our job, if they do something that you don't agree with to stand up for that. i'm not prepared that do that now. nothing is moving on it. >> i saw the people of miami and they celebrated the death as did

i, frankly, of one of the world's brutal murdering dictators, fidel castro. >> absolutely. >> but then i read the comments of the president which i thought did not capture the truth of who this man was and frankly the pope. the prime minister of canada. what was your reaction to that and donald trump's comments i thought were dead on. >> i like what the president-elect put out. as i said the time when the president's statement was put out out, you cannot discuss the leg his legacy without dits cussing the fact that he brutally executed people, that he jailed people for 20 to 30 years, that he allowed no political defense on the island and still did not, without talking about the human rights abuses, and furthered communism and instability in virtually every country in the hemisphere. you can't leave any of that out. they compared how the press and

the "the new york times" talked about discussing fidel castro as a heroic figure. any statement about his death has to mention the countless number of victims because of exile, jalg and being murdered by his va yeem. there's in way to talk about his legacy without talking about that because to me it is the part that stands out the most. >> congratulations on your reelection. great to have you back. >> thank you. come ug ing up, an interrue don't want to miss. but first tonight, ainsley earhardt here with a report on a brand-new survey that shows a large majority of you the american people believe that president trump will keep his promises. that and more on "hannity." if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance

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that. now you have ie sus and you have all of these things that have gotten out of control under the obama administration. and we're going to knock the hell out of them. we'll build a wall, mexico will pay for the wall. yesterday two box of e-mails and materials are now missing. special prosecutor here we come, right? if i win we're going to appoint the special prosecutor. >> all right. that was president-elect donald trump during the campaign making a lot of promises to you, the american people. and according to a brand-new survey released by hill, 64% of registered voters believe that donald trump will be very or somewhat effective in fulfilling his campaign propmises. here now with reaction the author of the "the new york times" best seller, fox and

friends cohost ainsley earhardt. i heard you did a six and a half hour book signing in south carolina? >> my moment town. >> six and a half hours? >> yes. >> that's amazing. >> you viewers are awesome. you've been talking about it on the radio. than thank you. >> it's a great story about your father and how he gave notes. >> it's not about selling books for me. it's a great story that i grew up in a normal family in south caroli carolina. my mom and dad influences my life. it's lessons and themes that i want to pass on to my own daughter and kids around the world. the american people elect patrol tigss. politicians made promises and they never keep their promises. >> there was a survey done by shar vard university center for political studies and also the national research group and they polled people, they skds people do you like his policies and do

you think he's going to implement them. and some of -- the majority of folks think that he's going to fulfill his promises. he's a tough guy and stands behind what he believes in. and people are put a lot of hope in him and he's got four years to prove himself. but 64% of voters think he's going to be somewhat or very effective as a president. 78% like his plan for infrastructure, improving, roads, bridges, tunnels. he wants to spend $1 trillion to do that. >> that's one thing that concerns me. i don't want to add to the debt and i'm hopeful we go pay as you go. >> he doesn't want to raise taxes on anyone. wants to lower taxes among every single group. people are in favor of that. they think he's going to lower taxes on businesses, on corporations and they think he'll do that before he lowers the individual taxes. the majority of people approve of him cutting taxes. 90% of the polls support him

from removing illegal criminals from our country. 54% think that he will repeal and replace obamacare. but 46% approve of that. >> that's enough. obamacare is not a disaster. average american up $4100. huge projected increases. >> i think most people like the idea of everybody having health care, they just want it to be affordable. and it hasn't been. >> ainsley, number one "the new york times" best selling author. congratulations. up next, you'll meet the psychologist who worked with the cia who helped create the enhanced interrogation program. that's next, straight ahead. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line.

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absolutely fine but we could go stronger than water boarding. that's the way i feel. they're chopping off heads. believe me we should go much stronger because our country is in trouble, we're in danger. we have people that want to do really bad things. remember the power of weaponry. this isn't 100 years ago. this is weapons that are so destructive, so destructive that the world could end. we have to be very strong or we have to be very vigilant and very tough. water boarding is fine but it's not nearly tough enough. okay? >> that was president-elect

trump on the campaign trail talking of potentially bringing back the use of enhanced interrogation. but in a recent interview with the "the new york times," trump said he's been told that the use of these techniques may not be effect pif. joining us now is a psychologist who worked with the cia after 9/11 to create the interrogation pro progr program. and the author of the new book "enhanced interrogation." dr. james mitchell. good to see you, sir. the cia brought you in after 9d/11/2001 to help craft what would be the effective means of interrogati interrogation, right? >> we were in a situation where we were kind of a running street battle with al qaeda. they had just bun 9/11 and we had credible evidence there was going to be another catastrophic attack that included nuclear

weapons. the cia was scrambling to do everything that was legal. so they asked me to help. >> you actually saw some of the use of water boarding and enhanced interrogations, correct? >> i actually did all of the water boarding that was done by the cia. >> right. and does it work or does it not work? >> well, it depends on -- it depended. it didn't work that well for ksm because ksm had an uncanny ability to pass the water out of his nose. his worked okay on the other two. the problem with focusing on water boarding is that it seems to me that the media and the press are obsessed with water boarding, somewhere between water boarding and doing nothing at all but tea and ssympathy, there's a place where some kind of legal coercion would have to

be done. that would not be my first choice. i don't believe that to be the case. like anything else if it's applied in a blunt way. the whole point of water boarding isn't to get people to provide information while they're on the board. it's to get them to provide information before they go to the next session. so in some cases -- in most be completely unnecessary and probably not appropriate to use. let me tell you the case it would be appropriate to use a kind of physical coercion. if you had a situation where you knew there is going to be a catastrophic attack that could kill potentially thousands of americans, the army field manual is not going to work. so i believe president-elect trump ought to be thinking about what he's going to do when he gets that intelligence and

they've got the guy who could stop it. he won't provide the information. i don't believe -- >> please, sir, finish. >> i was going to say i don't believe offering him a beer and pack of cigarettes is going to make it. >> you questioned 13 of the most senior high-value detainees in custody including ksm and the commander involved in the uss cole bombing. can you describe what it is like to go face-to-face with some of the world's most-evil killers? those terrorists we've talked about? what is it like? >> well, it depended on what stage they're in. in the beginning it was very difficult. they were very resistant and belligerent. some were. as it went on, they turned on the charm and it was easier to work with them after the eits. in the beginning it was

shocking. because i was surprised at their indifference to the violence and death of other people. >> right. >> we think we understand them, we don't understand them. >> i think it's hard to understand evil. that is what we've talking about. they want to advance the caliphate, agree with us or die, it's hard to understand. when the methods are used correctly that they're useful, but if not used correctly it's counter productive. what is the correct use of these methods? >> well, the point of any kind of interrogation procedure is to get the person to shift priorities so they'll be willing to provide information. so i think you have to be careful you don't ask leading questions and that you don't provide them with some sort of a clue about what you're looking for. you don't want them making stuff up and you don't want false

confessions. you don't want that type of stuff. >> right. >> more important about that, especially about water boarding. i have water boarded almost as many lawyers as terrorists. >> lawyers? >> lawyers. i don't know if you have a law degree, but i'm one down. okay. >> i know you do teach american soldiers how to resist the use of the -- >> not now. >> well -- you did. >> i don't do that anymore. i did it for years. >> i know you did. >> sir, thank you. appreciate your expertise. when we come back, a important question of the day about your news media, straight ahead. causa volunteer for meals on wheels. we had an instant connection. what was that? i said, "delivering to you is always a special treat." oh. company, companionship, food... we all need those things. when we get in that spot in life, it's kind of nice to have 'em there.

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