speaking of stirewalt, there's a great story about stirewalt and yours truly in a bar in "settle for more," which you should buy right now. by the way, who is your favorite guest? @megynkelly, as we salute the heroes at fort hood tomorrow. >> this speaks of to incompetence. they can't keep the president-elect to keep from making a fool of himself. >> is it time to drain the media swamp? >> he looks foolish. >> the latest attacks from the alt radical left mainstream media are outrageous. laura ingraham and ari fleischer are here with reaction. >> i will not disappoint you. >> then president-elect trump made specific promises to you, the american people, on the campaign trail. how does he plan to keep those promises? vice president-elect mike pence will join us in studio with more. all of that plus ainsley earhardt and florida senator marco rubio are here. "hannity" starts right here, right now. >> welcome to "hannity." it is time to drain the media swamp.

laura ingraham and ari fleischer will be here with reaction in a minute. first, tonight's opening monologue, the abusively biassed mainstream media continue to prove they're fundamentally incapable of covering president-elect trump fairly. cnn, the clinton news network, continually go after him. take a look at this report from jeff zeleny. take a look. >> donald trump is showing signs tonight of being a sore winner. the president-elect is suggesting with zero evidence to back up his claim that he won the popular vote, and he's a victim of widespread election fraud. >> is that fair and balanced? president-elect trump responded by retweeting criticisms of zeleny's report and tweeted himself, quote, cnn is so embarrassed by total 100% support of hillary clinton and yet her loss in a landslide, they don't know what to do. lalts he added, quote, well, i thought that @cnn would get better after they failed so badly in their support of hillary clinton. however, since the election they

are worse. now, it is important to remember that jeff zeleny, well, he is the same so-called journalist -- remember, he fawned over president obama back in 2009? remember this question back when he was working at the "new york times"? take a look. >> during these first 14u7bd days, what has surprised you the most about this office, enchanted you the most about serving in this office, humbled you the most and troubled you the most? >> let me write this down. all right. >> surprised, troubled. >> what was the first one? >> surprised. >> surprised. >> troubled. >> troubled. >> enchanted. >> enchanted, nice. >> and humbled. >> and what was the last one, humble? >> humble. thank you, sir. >> enchanted, really? now, he had the chance to ask the president a real question, and that's the one he picked? now zeleny, he is not alone over there at cnn. there's a lot of trump bashing going on 24/7. let's take a quick look. >> this really speaks to incompetence, they can't even keep the president-elect from making a fool of himself on

twitter by saying that millions of people voted illegally. he looks foolish saying something like that. >> well, it really is an unprecedented move, donald trump using his platform to question the integrity of the american election system. >> now, this evening the president-elect is continuing one of his trademark twitter tirades, blasting the effort to recount votes in some states. >> this was a whitelash. this was a white-lash against a changing country. it was a white-lash against a black president in part. >> wow. cnn looking pretty foolish. now, i've been saying since 2008 journalism is dead, and those were only a few of the countless examples that prove it. but the liberal mainstream media, they're not interested in the truth or facts. they're all about pushing their radical left wing agenda. what are they trying to do? damage president-elect donald trump. now, wikileaks exposed rampant collusion between the press and the clinton campaign. so my question is, why should donald trump grant equal access

to all of them? now, in this day and age of social media, well, he doesn't need the press to connect with you, the american people. as i said before, i think it is time to re-evaluate the press, and maybe change the traditional relationship with the press and the white house. for example, would president obama allow 50 sean hannitys in the press pool asking him and his press secretary questions every single day? no, of course not. so my message tonight to the press is simple. you guys are done. you've been exposed as fake, as having an agenda, as colluding. you're a fake news organization. here with reaction, the editor and chief of life zit, nationally syndicated talk show host laura ingraham and former white house press secretary ari fleischer. there are rumors laura may be calling ari for advice -- i'll move on. ari, you wrote a piece in the "wall street journal." am i right about this, does

donald trump need the same dog and phoney pony show to go on this cat and mouse game with the media that we know is biassed, that was in the tank for hillary clinton? why would cnn deserve a seat in that media room at the white house? >> well, the fact of the matter is the president and his team have latitude to make any number of changes in the way the white house press operation works. there are no laws that govern it. what governs it is tradition, some sense of mutual respect, which has really broken down. so he can make huge changes. you know, i would counsel, sean, not to go as far as you are going. i think there's something to be gained by talking to the mainstream media and fighting with them and getting your points across. good teams can win tough games on the road, and it is a road game when you deal with the mainstream media. >> but what about all of these organizations, cnn giving questions to hillary clinton, cnn seeking questions for the republican nominee. >> yeah, look. >> from the dnc. cnbc, abc, nbc, msnbc, why does

he have to waste his time with people that we know don't like him and colluded with the other side? why? >> this is why i wrote the piece for the "wall street journal." there's a bigger, more broader, important point. that is the american people have lost faith in the press. according to the gallup poll trust in the press to report news accurately and fairly is at an all-time low. according to the pugh poll only 5% of the american people have confidence in the media. the press has lost the very people it needs to rely, to view them and keep the president in check. the press brought it on themselves. i think donald trump would be smart to diversify the press. bring in different groups of people, foreign reporters, business writers. i would love to see one time liberal and conservative dom comes in the briefing room together asking questions. >> what do you think, laura? >> i think you should be in the briefing room every day, sean. i would love you asking questions, tough questions. i think ari has a point.

i don't know should sort of throw it away and say we're not doing briefings anymore, but i do think when it comes to reporting, real straight reporting, there are networks and i think you named one, cnn, sean, that is so far in the tank for the democrats, so far in the tank for political correctness. do you know how pathetic they are? i just got an e-mail from a kid who i guess is a reporter for cnn who went to dartmouth college to go through old copies of the dartmouth review to like, you know, write a piece on or do a piece, i don't know, about what i wrote about as editor of the dartmouth review 30 plus years ago. >> on you. >> yeah. i also short sheeted kids' beds at camp, you know. i toilet papered people's houses at halloween. >> was a bully in high school. >> yeah. sean, they're dispatching

reporters to interview professors in their 80s i wrote columns about. this is what it is. we have all of these problems with isis and immigration and they're going back to like dartmouth library. it is the funniest thing. >> laura, your life is of great interest. we need to know what you did back at dartmouth. >> he was like, i want to talk to you on the record. i'm like, no, i only talk to real news organizations. go ahead. >> do you think, laura, there might be a benefit if you colluded to such a high level -- i'll use cnn as an example -- you don't get the seat back? ari is talking about tradition, but tradition has changed. media landscape has changed. their relevance is greatly diminished and i would argue most people do not get their news from those sources any longer. maybe it is time to re-evaluate all of this. >> well, i think it is within trump's purview. ari is right, trump sets the rules in the way he wants the press operation to work. i haven't really given it much thought. i think people have gotten so smart and so hip to what they're doing that it is a bunch of

white noise coming -- and i'm not saying all of the folks over at cnn are bad people or there's some good reporters, i think there are, and there are some really fair reporters there. but the kind of stuff they're doing, the kind of little games they're playing are so transparent that they're either going to just -- you know, they're the fake news organization. i mean a lot of -- >> it is funny. >> a lot of the dot-coms are commentary sites or cultural sites. they're not pretending to be news organizations, but there are some news organizations are operating at hillary or democrat super pacs. >> last word, ari. >> this is how the bias works and it bothers me. when barack obama was elected the press widely reported historic because he was african-american. if hillary had won, she would have been the first woman. where are the stories about donald trump, the first outsider? they see things through the lens of race identity politics and

liberal points of view. they hurt themselves when this do that, distance themselves also from the american people because there are so few conservatives and people that see things through the republican lens in the media. that's their biggest problems, and that's why they tilt and they're biassed. >> well said. guys, thank you both. by the way laura's new website is doing very well. >> thank you so much. >> coming up, vice president-elect mike pence in studio. that's next. he is about to hit the road with president-elect trump for a thank you tour. later tonight, florida senator marco rubio is here. we will ask him about president-elect trump, fidel castro's death and more. also,st ainsley earhardt is here to find out and explain what you, the american people, want for president-elect trump. straight ahead.

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meetings in new york including a dinner tonight with former governor mitt romney and on thursday night the president-elect will kick off his, quote, u.s.a. thank you tour in cincinnati, ohio. along with vie president-elect mike pence, who joins us in studio, first of all, congratulations. >> thank you, sean. >> has it hit you yet? >> no. maybe january 20th, but we're so focused right now, the president-elect is so focused on the work, on assembling a cabinet, assembling a government to move forward, an agenda we know is going the make america great again. we'll leave the -- when it hits us until later. >> all right. so high profile meetings. you had two announcements today. i have known congressman price for many years. he went into depth and detail about replacing obamacare, not an insignificant task, a big part of the trump agenda. >> well, it will be -- it will be the first thing out of the gate. we're going to be back on capitol hill tomorrow, reince priebus and i will be meeting

with the leaders of the house and the senate. the president-elect has made it very clear he wants the congress when they convene in early january to take up the task of repealing and replacing obamacare first, and the appointment of dr. tom price as the head of health and human services, someone who literally for the last half a dozen years has been in the forefront of efforts not only to repeal obamacare but to put forward common sense free market solutions that will lower the costs of health insurance without growing the size of government. it is very exciting and should be a source of great encouragement to millions of americans who know we've got the repeal obamacare, but we've got the replace it with -- >> that's a difficult task. >> -- real solutions. >> average americans are paying $4100 more per family, so many lost their doctors, lost their plans and projected increases this year. >> right. >> do you have any idea on the time frame when that might -- that replacement might be able to happen? >> well, i think the first thing is to repeal obamacare lock,

stock and barrel and make sure that we make it clear at the outset of this congress that we're starting over on healthcare reform that respects the doctor/patient relationship and harnesses the power of the free market. you know, what president-elect trump has said over and over again is that it is time for us to allow americans to purchase health insurance across state lines. it is time to give people more consumer choices, health savings accounts, something he has championed since early in the campaign. dr. tom price, soon to be secretary tom price at hhs will be able to help us take the agenda first to repeal and then to work with leaders in congress and the house and the senate to craft solutions which will be implemented, you know, over a phased-in period of time. we don't want any american to be anxious about a transition. it will be an orderly transition, as the president-elect said in that famous speech in philadelphia. but we will be working toward

really a solution that's grounded in the american principles of free market economics and respecting the doctor/patient relationship. >> one position that seems to have gotten most attention is secretary of state. >> right. >> big meeting with governor romney tonight. i know he was with general petraeus yesterday. his name was mentioned a lot. rudy giuliani's name, senator bob corker's name. obviously the decision hasn't been made. there are some good people here, but in the case of governor romney who said some -- called donald trump racist, misogynist, unqualified for the office, apparently shared his donor list with evan -- general mcmillan in his run. is that a game changer for you? is that a difficulty overcoming that from your perspective? >> you know, it is such a privilege for me -- it is almost hard for me to express that i'm the vice president-elect of the united states. but to have been asked by the president-elect to chair the

transition, my first obligation is to -- is to bring together, you know, a broad range of men and women before the president-elect and his team so that he can sort out and create the lineup that will be able to move the trump agenda forward in the congress and all across the country. i think what you're witnessing here -- we met with senator bob corker today at the trump tower with general petraeus yesterday, i met very often with rudy giuliani and i talked to john bolton, communicated with him today in the dinner that's happening tonight. i think what you're witnessing here is a leader in president-elect donald trump who wants to take in all of the options, but i'm absolutely confident that he's going to choose the right person in every single one of these cases, that he believes will be best equipped to move his agenda forward and more importantly move the country forward. >> let me ask this.

to me the trump agenda has been laid out and it is very simple. originalist justices, vetting refugees, repatriation of trillions, seven brackets to three, build the wall, eliminate obamacare, energy independence and education back to the states. if those six, seven, eight things get done, this will profoundly change america. are you confident that all of those agenda items will be accomplished? >> well, i really am. when the president-elect and i went to capitol hill a couple of short weeks ago, we met with leader mcconnell and with speaker ryan. as i said, i will be back on capitol hill tomorrow as we're beginning to layout the details of that, but i think my word when i went to capitol hill, as i talked to members of congress, i said, buckle up. >> it will be busy. >> it is not just going to be a busy 100 days, it will be a busy00 daybusy

200 days. what you have in our president-elect -- and you have known him a lot longer than i have. this is a man of boundless energy and creativity, and he is absolutely determined to move that agenda forward and move it forward quickly. we're going to start out of the gate by repealing and replacing obamacare. we're going to take steps to achieve real border security, build a wall and end illegal immigration. you will see an appointment of a supreme court of a strict constructionist that's going to be in the tradition of the late and great justice anton inscalia. before we get to the spring you will see president donald trump make good on his pledge to cut taxes across the board for working families, small businesses, family farms, and to roll back the kind of excessive regulation has are stifling american growth. the other issues you mentioned as well -- >> energy i think is a big job creating opportunity. >> unleashing the power of the emergency energy economy, ending the war on coal. i mean it really is

extraordinary. i think people have been watching this transition and they're already getting a sense of the boundless energy that president-elect donald trump is bringing into this effort. i think you're only going to see that accelerate in the weeks and months ahead. so that's my word to them on capitol hill, i'll tell them tomorrow -- >> get ready, buckle up? >> we're going to go to work for the american people and make america great again. >> this is a great opportunity. the only obstacle could be the senate, the filibuster, and we know how harry reid dealt with it especially when it relates to judicial appointments. would you want mitch mcconnell to do the same thing? >> i think they changed the rules there with regard to all of the other court vacancies and, frankly, many of the confirmations. you know, we're very grateful to have a republican majority in the senate, to have the necessary 51 votes to be able to move the president-elect's agenda forward.

but i think whether it is the supreme court, whether it is repealing and replacing obamacare, whether it is fundamental tax relief or ending illegal immigration, the other thing you better get used to is -- and you're going to see it this week when the president-elect and i hit the road, is a president donald trump will not just be talking to congress but the american people. >> they will weigh in. >> he will be taking his case consistently to the american people and encouraging them as -- you remember that other president we liked a lot. >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan used to do. go ask the american people to call your congressman and call your senator, and i think that's the reason why. i'm very confident we're going to see the trump agenda move forward and we will get this country working again and rebuild our military and do all of the kind of things that will make america great again. >> what could we glean from what we have seen in terms of your role so far? because you've been in most of these meetings. you have -- and they seem endless. they're monday through friday, saturday and sunday.

they don't seem to ever stop. >> yeah. >> i do -- i have known him a long time. he doesn't really like vacations, he wants to roll up his sleeves and get to work. let me ask you this, what have you learned through this process about donald trump that maybe the american people don't know that you would want them to know? >> well, you know, i've just gotten to know him over the last six months, and he is at his very core, he has an extraordinary intellect, extraordinarily creative. he is one of the most inherently curious people i have ever met in my life. to be in these meetings -- and we've had this galaxy of extraordinary men and women from a broad range of backgrounds, you know, many republicans, even some democrats who have come in and sat down, and the questions that he asks, getting straight to the point, it just continues to give me the confidence that i had when i said yes to this job last summer, that donald trump is going to be a great president of the united states because he has the leadership qualities to

really -- to lead america forward and to inspire our nation to greater heights. >> he seems -- look, there's been all sorts of definitions about the role of the vie president, but if we can glean anything from what we've seen in the last couple of weeks, you're going to have a very active role as vice president. is that what you envision? >> well, i've -- >> you've been in almost every meeting. >> the role of the vice president will be exactly what the president defines it to be, and i believe in servant leadership. i'm here to serve the president-elect in whatever capacity that he would have me to serve. but to be alongside him, i have to tell you, if you could be a fly on the wall -- >> i've been there a little bit, not there in the meetings though. >> the decision late today to name elaine chao as secretary of transportation, someone who was the longest serving secretary of labor under the last administration since world war ii, but before that what president-elect donald trump was able to glean was actually the depth of her expertise comes in the area of transportation and

infrastructure. and his vision to rebuild the infrastructure of this country and ignite a whole new era of american growth based on a renewal of our commitment to have the best transportation, you know, on land and water and air in the world is going to be implemented by being able to identify someone like elaine chao and put her in the kind of position that can implement his agenda. >> mr. vice president-elect, it is an honor to have you in the studio. thank you for your time. coming up, florida senator marco rubio will join us next. we will talk about president-elect trump, fidel castro's death and also "fox & friends" co-host ainsley earhardt is here to talk about a brand-new survey that shows the majority of the american people think president-elect trump will follow through on the campaign promises. and you will he meet the man who after 9/11 helped the cia craft enhanced interrogation straight ahead. set

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welcome back to "hannity." senator marco rubio was busy on the campaign trail. in florida he won reelection and is getting ready to serve his second term. happy to have him on the program. senator rubio, congratulations and welcome back, sir. >> thanks, sean. >> i guess the biggest question, the republicans have said we need the house, we need the house and senate and we need the white house. now that moment of opportunity exists. you know donald trump's agenda, vetting refugees, building the wall, repealing and replacing obamacare, 15% corporate tax rate, repatriation, energy independence. are you in general agreement with everything? do you have issues with some things? how do you think this agenda will go in the senate? >> well, you know, foreign policy, we will see how that develops. he's had, as i said, he never held public office before so he said things on the campaign trail, we will see how it translates to foreign policy. on the issues of domestic policy, you went through some, here is how i think it plays out. we spend the early part of january and february working through dozens and dozens of

nominations, not just the cabinet but all sorts of posts underneath that and try to get them in place. we move then to obamacare repeal, which i think you will see happen in the first two to three months of next year, and in addition begin to work of replacing it because it is important. you talk about other elements, border security. building the wall is a phrase that is actually about securing the border and enforcing our immigration laws. i you think it is something we need to move on first. i said now for a long time it is the key that unlocks the door to be able to do anything else on immigration. so my view is that the first three or four months we will be busy. i was going over the senate schedule for next year, and there's very little recess breaks. i mean it will be a lot of work that's been planned into the time frame that we're going to be here, and the reason why is we anticipate being very busy. the items we just discussed, not to mention we need a budget, all of those things will take a lot of time. i'm excited about finally being in a position to pass and repeal laws and have a president that will actually sign it. >> what if senate democrats are

obstructionists, they set the precedent using the nuclear option? is that something mitch mcconnell should consider? >> well, let me -- where would it come into play? if you look at the nomination, they changed the rules. by 51 votes we can get anybody confirmed except for the supreme court. and so that's why i fully anticipate that by and large, unless someone has something troubling that comes out, you're going to see the president-elect get his nominees. >> why couldn't you use it for the supreme court or can you? >> well, i mean that's an interesting question. i believe we're going to get the supreme court nomination with the current rules, i really do. i know he put out a list during the campaign of very qualified people, and i believe we will get the nomination, i really do. then i will leave it at that for now, but as far as all of the other ones are concerned i think we're going goat throuet throug. a lot of good people, names are being mentioned. it is his prerogative to choose them and we will move very quickly on it in materially part of the year. you talk about obamacare repeal, it was passed through

reconciliation, 51 votes in the senate. 51 votes in the senate, we can repeal obamacare using the exact same process. in fact, the senate has done it. we just didn't have a president that would sign it. now we do. >> what are your concerns on foreign policy. he said he would get rid of the iranian deal and he with identify radical islamists, but he also talked about foreign entanglements. when we went into iraq we had brave men and women fight and die and the war got politicized. over 5,000 dead americans and we pull out and it created a vacuum for isis. i think we of you can argue we did the same thing in vietnam, over 58,000 people died. it seems to me foreign evening tanglements with the way the political process the way it is don't work out. isn't that something we should try with all we have to avoid? >> a couple of points. i'm not in favor of entanglements. i'm in favor of engagement. i think the world is a better

place when we're involved in the world in a way that further our national security interests. it is a big world. there are a lot of issues on foreign policy that were not discussed during the campaign. i can't quite standing here say now here is one area in the world i think we will have a conflict with the president-elect. i'm saying it is possible. it happened under other presidencies in the past. as i said, you have talked about broad pronouncements in general. i agree we want to see radical islam, call it for what it is, we want to confront it and defeat it. as commander in chief he will have a significant amount of leeway to conduct that and make it happen. there might be some differences of opinion on some issues, i don't have one to point to for you right now, but if there is we will do our role, which is the senate is independent of the presidency and it is our job no matter who the job is, if they do something you don't agree with, to stand up to that. but i'm not prepared to do that right now because, as i said, nothing is moving on that. i think he is still trying to formulate the specifics a lot of these things. >> i saw the people of miami and they celebrated the death, as

did i frankly, of one of the world's brutal murdering dictators. >> absolutely. >> fidel castro. then i read the comments of the president, which i thought did not capture the truth of who this man was and, frankly, the pope, the prime minister of canada. what was your reaction to that? and donald trump's comments i thought were dead on. >> yeah, i liked what the president-elect put out. as i said about the time when the president's statement was put out, you cannot talk about the legacy of fidel castro without discussing the fact that he forced into exile almost 20% of his homeland's population. the fact that he brutally executed people, that he jailed people 20 to 30 years, that he allowed no political dissent and still did not. without talking about the human rights abuses, the way he fomented instance recollection all over the world and further communist and you can't leave that out. they compared how the press talked about and the "new york times" talked about peno che

when he died versus how they described fidel castro as a heroic figure. any statement about his death has to mention the countless numbers of victims both because of exile, because of jailing and being murdered by his regime. there is no way to talk about his legacy without talking about that because to me it is the part that stands out the most. >> well said, senator. congratulations on your reelection. >> thank you, sean. >> glad to have you back. coming up, an interview you don't want to miss. we speak with the clinical psychologist that worked with cia after 9/11 to help create the enhanced interrogation program and served as an interrogator. first ainsley earhardt here with a new survey that shows that the majority of you, the american people, believe president trump will keep his promises.

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>> now you have isis and you have all of these things that have gotten out of control under the obama administration, and we're going to knock the hell out of them, folks. >> we will build a wall, mexico will pay for the wall, by the way. >> yesterday two boxes of e-mails and materials are now missing, okay. special prosecutor, here we come, right? i win, we're going to appoint the special prosecutor. >> all right. that was president-elect donald trump during the campaign making a lot of promises to you, the american people, and according to a brand-new survey released by the hill, 64% of registered voters believe donald trump will be very or somewhat effective in fulfilling his campaign promises. here now with reaction, author of the brand-new number one new york sometimes best seller ""take heart, my child," a mother's dream," "fox & friends"

co-host ainsley earhardt. did you ever thing you would be a number one best seller? congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> you did a six and a half hour book signing. >> my hometown, yes. they're amazing there. >> that's amazing. >> uthank you, thank you, thank you. i'm really happy. >> it is a great story about your father and how he gaves notes. >> it is not about selling a books for me. it is a cool story that i grew up in a normal family in south carolina, my dad influenced my life, my mom influenced my life and it is some lessons and themes i want to pass on to my own daughter and other kids around the world. >> that's awesome. >> thanks. >> the american people, they elect politicians. one of the reasons this has been an outsider year is because politicians made promises and never keep their promises. >> right. there was a survey done by harvard university center for political studies and the national research group, and they polled people and asked do you like his policies and do you

think he is going to implement them. the majority of folks think he is going to fulfill his promises. you know, he is a tough guy and he stands behind what he believes in. >> and he has both houses. >> absolutely. people are putting a lot of hope in him and they have four years to prove himself. 61% of voters think he will be somewhat or very effective as a president. as far as infrastructure is concerned, 78% like his plan for infrastructure. that means improving roads, bridges, tunnels. he wants to spent $1 trillion to do that. >> that's the one thing that concerns me because i don't want to add to the debt, and i'm hopeful we go as pay as you go. >> well, he doesn't want to raise taxes on anyone. he wants to lower taxes among every single group. >> right. >> people are in favor of that. they think he is going to lower taxes on businesses, on corporations and they think he will do it before he will lower individual income taxes. the majority of people do approve of him cutting taxes obviously. the strongest number, 90% of the

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♪ answer the question, what are you going to do? absolutely fine, but we should go much stronger than water boarding. that's the way i feel. they're chopping off heads. believe me, we should go much stronger because our country is in trouble. we're in danger. we have people that want to do really bad things. remember the power of weaponry. this isn't 100 years ago where we fight hand-to-hand combat. this is weapons that are so destructive, so destructive that the world could end. you have to be very strong and we have to be very vigilant. we have to be very tough. water boarding is fine but not nearly tough enough, okay. >> that was president-elect

trump on the campaign trail talking of potentially bringing back the use of enhanced interrogation. in a recent interview with the "new york times" trump says he has been told the use of these techniques may not be effective. joining us with reaction is the psychologist that worked with the cia after 9/11 to help create the interrogation program, the author of the book "enhanced interrogation." inside the minds and motives of the islamic terrorists trying to destroy america. good to see you, dr. mitchell. the cia brought you in after 9/11/2001 to help craft what would be the effective means of interrogation, correct? >> right. you have to remember that we were in a situation where we were in kind of a running street battle with al qaeda. they had just done 9/11 and we had credible evidence that there was going to be another catastrophic attack that included perhaps nuclear weapons, and the cia was scrambling to do everything that was legal. so they asked me if i would help

them interrogate ab zabaita. >> right. spart of -- you actually saw some of the use of water boarding and enhanced interrogations, correct? >> i actually did all of the water boarding that was done by the cia. >> right. and does it work or does it not work? >> well, it depends -- it depended. it didn't work that well for k.s.m. because k.s.m. had this uncanny ability to pass the water out of his nose. he worked okay on the other two, but the problem with focusing on water boarding is that it seems to me that the media and the press are obsessed with water boarding. somewhere between water boarding and worse and doing nothing at all but tea and sympathy there's a place where i think some kind of legal coercion will have to be used, but it won't necessarily have to be water boarding. that wouldn't be my first or best choice. i don't believe it would be the

case. >> is it an effective tool in the arsenal to extract information? >> if legally it could be, it depends on how it is applied. like i said, like anything else if it is applied in kind of a blunt way -- the whole point of water boarding isn't to get people to provide information while they're on the board. it is to get them to provide information before necessary go to the next session. so in some cases water boarding -- in most cases water boarding would be completely unnecessary and probably not appropriate to use. in a very few cases -- let me tell you the case i think it would be appropriate to use some kind of physical coercion. if you had a situation where you knew that there was going to be a catastrophic attack that could kill potentially thousands of americans, the army field manual is not going to work. >> right. >> some kind of coercion is going to be necessary. so i believe president-elect trump ought to be thinking through what he is going to do when he gets that intelligence and they've got the guy who could stop it, but he won't

provide the information. i don't believe -- >> no, sir, finish. >> i was going the say i don't believe offering him a beer and a pack of cigarettes is going to make it. >> you were there, you yourself questioned 13 of the most high, most senior, high-value detainees in custody including k.s.m. and the person, the commander involved with the uss colebombing. can you describe what it is like to go face-to-face with some of the world's most evil killers, those terrorists that we talk so much about? what was it like? >> well, it depended on what stage they were in. in the beginning it was very difficult because they were very resist and and they were belligerent, some of them were. as it went on they kind of turned on the charm. it was much easier to work with them after the eits. in the beginning, the thing it was like is it was shocking

because i was surprised at their indifference to the violence and death of other people. >> right. >> we think we understand them, but we don't understand them. >> well, i think it is hard to understand evil because that's what we're talking about. they want to advance the caliphate, agree with us or die, it is not exactly logical. let me ask you this because you do note tha when the methods are used correctly, enhanced interrogation, that they're useful in getting them to cooperate. but if they're not used correct cannive ly, it is counter productive. what is the correct use of the methods? >> the whole point of any kind of interrogation procedure is to get the person to shift their priorities so they're willing to provide information. i think you have to be careful when you're using coercion that you don't ask leading questions and that you don't provide them with some sort of a clue about what you're looking for, because you don't want them making stuff up and you don't want false confessions. you don't want that sort of

stuff. >> right. >> more important than that, especially abo especially about water boarding -- you know, i have water boarded almost as many lawyers as i have terrorists. >> lawyers? >> i don't know if you have a law degree, but i'm one down, you know, i get one more lawyer and it would be equal. >> okay. i know you teach american soldiers how to resist the use of these techniques. >> not now. not now. i used to be in the air force survival school. i don't do that anymore, but i did for years, 13 years. >> i know you did. all right, sir. thank you. i appreciate your expertise. when we come back, we need your help on an important question of the day. it is about your news media. straight ahead. ♪ your can i have a 2017 lexus lx 570... yeah! wish big... at the lexus december to remember sales event. get up to $2,500 customer cash on select 2016 and 2017 models for these terms. see your lexus dealer. remember when christmas was magical? let's get back there.

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