go to my website or go to our facebook account and let us know what you think. that's all the time we have left this evening. set your dvr so you never miss an episode. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. >> well, good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," the show that is the sworn enemy of lying pomposity, smugness and group think. "time" magazine just reminded it exists by naming president-elect donald trump as person of the year. fair enough. hard to think of anyone more news worthy this year than donald trump. but to many on the left "times'" cover is a reminder that trump is indeed going to be a president and was therefore a trigger. here is one person who feels that way a congressional democrat from california. thanks for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> a tweet you sent out after seeing the cover on "the today show" this morning and you wrote. this adolf hitler was

"time's" man of the year in 1938. donald trump's man of the year in 2016. disgust. i saw the irony there comparing someone to hitler is not an invitation to discuss. it's the end of the discussion, isn't it? >> well, i think that there are a lot of lessons that we can learn from the 1930s in nazi germany not to say that this is the identical situation but there is a lot to be gained log back how we cannot make the same mistakes from the past. >> describe the discussion that you were trying to invoke by comparing trump to hitler? >> >> i think it's very important that we are critical. that we do not normalize or sanitize the rhetoric or actions of donald trump or the ghastly appointees to his administration. i want people to remain vigilant and realize that none of this is normal. none of the hate speech, the hate crimes that are spiking in the united states and we, as the american people have to hold our president-elect

accountable. >> okay. so you have made a lot of pretty general statements. by the way i don't think there is any danger of trump going uncriticized during his term as president. >> i think something like hearing the way that. >> oh, please, you just compared him to hitler now. clearly there is a vigorous conversation about trump underway and you are part of it. you said his ghastly appointees. give me an example. >> today you are talking about appointing a head of the e.p.a., someone who has sued the e.p.a. on behalf of the coal industry and the coal lobby. you are talking about. >> really? >> you are talking about putting a known. >> who is that? >> pruitt. the attorney general pruitt. >> and what was the suit about? do you know? >> yeah. he was suing on behalf -- it was a part of what the "new york times" actually called a secretive alliance between energy firms, between state prosecutors, where he is attorney general. and between oil and gas companies. and they. >> so let me just say. this it doesn't sound like you know a ton about this

but he was won of 28 attorneys general. so the majority of states sued the obama administration over its environment mental regulations. you can't just say he was acting on behalf of oil and gas companies. the majority of states were involved in that state. >> he actually aappropriated texts out of that letter from the oil and gas companies as his own. >> so what did b. that -- so, in other words, what you're doing here is quoting out of context some "new york times" piece that says because he has the same views as an oil and gas that they're illegitimate. you are not actually making the case against him and that i guess, is what bothers me there hav there. there are a lot of cases to be made against trump which are legitimate. whats to not lead to fruitful conversation or solutions is name-calling and that's what you're doing. >> i don't believe so. i think someone who sues to remove protections that protect families, american families from mercury, from arson nic, that protect our wet lands, that reduce the air pollution so that we can

have a right to breathable air is not name-calling. >> nobody is contest ago right to bothable air. my point is to say again you don't actually know anything that you are talking about and throwing out a lot of allegations as if someone were against clean air or for mercury. is there another side to the case? do you understand their position or does that not even interest you learning what they think? >> it's not about learning what they think. it's about the fact. >> oh. >> this man, who is the head of the e.p.a., the nominee has already acted on behalf of these very things about which we are speaking. he has sued to lessen the regulations from an environmental and public health standpoint. that's fact. that's nonnegotiable. >> which. >> around air pollution. >> you can't name a single one. >> i'm talking about three specific ones. >> department of social and cultural analysis at nyu. are you goin do you have a degre in the hard sciences. >> i do have a degree in

social province. founder of turning green nonprofit we have been working on environmental. >> do you think someone can start a nonprofit in science with no science background. >> we partner with and i'm proud to partner with a number of environmental organizations with sound scientists on their staff. 350.org. nrc came out today to absolutelily categorically call out this man for being a climate denier. >> and maybe a climate denier. so anybody who disagrees with the received point of view that you espouse is not a legitimate critic for raising questions. is he a denier. >> of the fossil fuel industry. is he a puppet. >> i don't actually think you know anything about him or the suit and i don't think you have the background to make those points. >> can i cite three specific suits. wet land protection. the air pollution, and the toxins related to mercury

and arsenic. >> the air pollution? what suit is that and what law is he contesting? >> he sued to reduce regulations around carbon pollution in the air. >> okay. so, all regulations are good and anyone who challenges them is an accomplice to hitler's rise is a denier. i mean, what you are doing. >> no, these are conclusions to which you are arriving. >>. no actually i'm not making the claim. i'm merely saying there is probably another side to the argument. you seem wholly ignorant of it and not interested in learning it. >> i'm very interesting in learning it. >> dismissing this guy as a that's not the kind of conversation that leads to solutions. it's the kind that leads to demonizing other people. and that's bad. that's my point. do you not accept that? you can see what i'm talking about? >> i see what you are talking about. that name-calling and hate speech and toxic rhetoric is how we have derived at this point. we have a president-elect

who has built a whole campaign cycle. >> you just compared this guy to hitler and with a straight face you are going to accuse him of engaging in hate speech. can i barely hear the irony the alarm is so loud in the background. i don't mean to be cruel to you. >> this man donald trump has appointed as his chief strategist and stop advisor steve bannon. are you going to tell me steve bannon is not anti-supremacist. anti-semite? he is putting that ideology in the office. >> we got the hand gestures down but the argument leaves something to be desired. thanks for joining us. >> correspondent shannon bream is here literally right here with what was announced today. shannon, good to see you. >> good to see you as well, tucker. move to the trump transition team today that country's longest serving governor terry branstad of iowa is trump's choice to be the ambassador to china. the president-elect may tap yet another experienced general to gin the administration. we are told this time it is the retired general from the

marine corps john kelly to head up the department of homeland security. to respond to reports today kelly said i have been asked and would consider it an honor. sounds like kelly shares concerns about the border. the border between the u.s. and mexico represents a national security threat. he says terrorists may use smuggling routes there to move into the u.s. detected even with the weapon of mass destruction. and owe to be a fly an the wall today when chicago mayor rahm emanuel met with trump. fair to say trump got after him repeatedly during the campaign. the two are likely to clash over the issue of sanctuary cities like chicago. trump has vowed to cut off their funding while emanuel insists his city will not refuse position on changing to enforce laws accept those in this country in the city of chicago illegally. >> i was clear where i stood and others stood on immigrants. we welcome them because they are achieving and striving for the american dream. >> but the announcement that

is sparking the loudest backlash from the left as we saw there on your interview, tucker, is the selection of oklahoma attorney general scott pruitt to head up the e.p.a. is he a skeptic on the issue of climate change says there is no settled science there. he did join a coalition of states attorneys general, said the could destroy the coal industry. there is the "time" magazine naming trump person of the year today as you discussed calling him the president of the divided states of america. which he was not loving. >> when you say divided states of america. i didn't divide them. they are divided now. i mean, there is a lot of division. and we're going to but the it back together. >> also today, mr. trump says he has narrowed down the constantly fluctuating list potential secretary of state nominees so that may be the next big one we get, tucker. >> the great shannon bream. thank you very much. all these days have been big days. tonight we're asking what's next for the efforts to

delegitimize the presidential election. some in congress are demanding that president obama brief them on russian interference with the election. they say that, quote, the russians, quote, hacked our democracy and they're mad about it joining us now are one of the members who signed that. ranking member adam schiff from burbank, california. congressman, thanks a lot for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> one of the complaints in this letter which is pretty interesting is that russia, i'm quoting now, hacked our political institutions by, among other things, giving us access to john podesta emails and wikileaks. i'm against hacking people's personal emails for sure. that's a problem. no one can contest those emails was real and the information in them was true and voters got to see that and it helped them assess how they wanted to vote. why is that bad? are you really arguing against more information for voters? >> and are you really arguing in favor of a foreign adversarial party hacking into the american. >> of course not. i'm not explicitly not. once the information comes into the public view, why is that bad. >> in agreement that we shouldn't tolerate foreign

countries election hacking and dumping of information. we shouldn't condone it in any way. are you saying that we're going to look the other way and we're going to ignore russian interference because they brought to light facts that were helpful to one candidate or hurtful to the other or of public interest? the voters had a chance to evaluate that. they made their decision. but, if we're going to protect ourselves from further russian meddling in the further we have to call them out and inform the measure people. donald trump may have been beneficiary and he certainly was of the russian meddling this time. when president-elect trump has to cross putin as invariably he will because putin is not our friend. the president-elect may think putin is a friend but is he not, then he may be the subject of the same interference. >> i get it nobody is for hacking. let me make one clear point you don't know that vladimir putin was behind those hacks. >> we do know this. >> you don't know that so let's not pretend that you do. >> let's not ignore what the director of homeland security and director of national intelligence said these hacks were of such

seriousness they could not have taken place without the approval of the highest level of the kremlin. >> that's speculation. that is what it is it? >> is not speculation. >> is it a statement of fact. >> it is a statement of the intelligence community's best assessment. >> okay. here's the thing. >> there is a political reason to do it but this is what the intelligence professionals are saying. >> well, they told us -- i have lived here a long imtoo. i remember vividly the massive stockpiles of w.m.d. in iraq which the intelligence community told us were there and they weren't. let me say this -- >> -- tucker. you don't have to take my word for it don't have to take the director's word for it. >> i get there has been a lot of hacking. but here we have had hacking of the pentagon, the white house, the state department, the cia director's personal email was hacked. we think in some cases by russia. i don't remember you holding a press conference and saying, hey, obama administration, you're cyber security is pathetic. in this letter to the president, you don't mention

the fact that american cyber security is inadequate. that the administration is partly responsible for allowing these hacks to happen. why don't you mention that? >> you haven't been watching the open hearings. >> i have. >> i don't think you have. you would see me pressing the administration on the farlings to protect our data like the hack. taking issue with the cyber protection which with is wholly inadequate. you wouldn't see the discussions with the intelligence officers. >> why don't you mention it in this letter. this year this letter was about russian meddling. if you don't think that's significant that a power that is an adversary of ours that is bombing civilians in syria right now. invading its neighbors is also interfering in our political processes or political allies. >> you are stating a hard fact. >> party as ronald reagan. >> i'm confused by what you are alleging. you are saying that you believe the russian government hacked john op-ed's emails and the voters knew too much. and you are saying they hacked voting machines. >> i'm not saying they knew too much. if the russians hack into

your emails. >> which i'm against, by the way. >> and i'm against, too. >> if they did that and disclosed things of public interest. i wouldn't seek to justify it. >> i'm not justifying it? >> i would still want to condemn the russians and protect us. >> i'm going to keep you here until you answer this question which is how specifically did the russians make this election outcome different from what it would have been otherwise? how specifically did they, quote, hack our democracy? >> we will never know, you know, whether this was determinative any more than director comey. >> the means they used were hacking into democratic institutions. and the leaking of documents designed in the primary process to sow division between clinton and sanders camps. something we saw took place as a result of that in the general election to attempt to discredit secretary of state clinton in a way harm her and help donald trump. >> how did they do that? >> well, it was pretty obvious, wasn't it? they hacked and released documents. >> that were real. >> oh, yes, they were real. and they were ones that were damaging to secretary

clinton. you can point to documents that they disclosed damaging to the other party. >> let's get to the bottom line. you are upset you think this affected the election. i get why you are upset. are you arguing that voters should not have seen that information? >> this is an important point though. it's not just the fact that it damaged the candidate i was supporting. all americans, democrats and republicans, and particularly, you know, of the party of reagan ought to be concerned when we have russia -- >> -- look, i get it are you arguing that voters should not have had the right to see that information. if you could take it back would you say voters you are not allowed to see that information. >> i would say we ought to stop russia from doing. this whether the press should publish this information or not. >> you think they shouldn't. >> some where the public interest is to so great they should publish. i took with the press during the campaign when they do publish information that the russians has hacked and russians want us to see, they ought to inform the public of the providence of

those emails. >> they don't know it and neither do you. you don't know that the government -- i think it's really irresponsible for you to know that the putin government did this. >> what's irresponsible for you to make that claim without looking at the evidence. >> you kant say you know the putin government did that. >> more importantly for the president-elect today, to say that. >> you're dodging. >> he doesn't know whether the russians. >> you are on the intel committee. let me just ask you one final question. you can look right into the camera and say i know for a fact the government of vladimir putin was behind the hacks of john podesta's email? >> absolutely the government of vladimir putin was behind the hacks of our institutes. >> of john podesta's email? >> not only in the u.s. but also in europe. >> you know what you? are dodging. look and say know john podesta's email they hacked those. >> and i know ronald reagan would be rolling over in his glaf and you are carrying water for the kremlin. >> i'm not carrying water. look, you are sitting member of congress on the intel committee and you can't say they hacked. >> you have to move your

show to rt russian television. >> you know what? that's so beneath your office because it's so dumb and you are being do you police tis. i asked you can they hack john podesta's personal emails? >> you said i was carrying water for putin. that's pretty hilarious. >> you know, when you essentially are an apologist for the criminal that's what you are doing. >> one last time, congressman. look in the camera and say they hacked john podesta's emails we know for a fact that putin's government did that you can't and you know you can't. and you are hiding behind weevil words. >> i just said. >> say they hacked john podesta's email. >> i'm not going to be specific. >> because you don't know it done, one. you don't know it and alleging it without any evidence. >> tucker, you are ignoring the evidence because you don't care the fact that it helped the republican candidate is all you need to know apparently. >> that's totally false. if you are going to make serious allegation against a actual country with actual

country. >> i'm taking cash from putin now. >> intelligence committee has seen for a fact. >> you could say it you would and you can't. you know that. >> if you are willing to be in denial about this because it suits a president-elect president. >> you can blather on all you want. i gave you a chance to state it clearly and you wouldn't. >> you or president-elect. >> okay. >> not very much. >> i appreciate that congressman. and now i need to take a call from vladimir putin. so i will put you on hold one second and do this tease. some of the electors take the two weeks. one of those electors joins us next. we have talked to a lot of college activists hun this show about their political views. what will happen to those kids when they graduate? the great mike rowe is here coming up. then a special guest, vladimir putin, our puppet master will join us at the

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right now we want to get to a story that a viewer sent to us during our you choose the news segment. as we promised we are looking into it. on december 19th, the 2016 presidential election becomes official when the electoral college casts its 538 votes per the constitution. but some people are trying to end the long tradition of electors voting for the candidate their voters, the ones they represent, voted for, twisting it and getting hillary clinton or somebody else in to the oval office. here now is michael, a college student and youth vice chairman of the michigan republican party. is he an elector. and he has been threatened. michael, great to see you tonight. >> hi, thanks for having me. >> so you described the detroit news or the free press or one of your papers

in michigan, characterized the threats you are getting this way. this is my favorite line ever. you said and people are saying and i'm quoting you are a hateful bigot. i hope you die. [ laughter ] >> yeah. >> i just love the irony. >> the irony is lost on them. >> it's fantastic. so what kind of response have you gotten since you are an elector? >> yeah. so obviously this political cycle has been very divisive and fortunately it bled over into the weeks following the election. i have just been inundated not just myself but electors across the country emails, facebook messages, letters to my home. i'm getting like five or six a day. i have got a large stack on my dining room table. they're just generally very hateful, angry messages and unfortunately i have received a couple of death threats, some death wishes and just some angry messages from people who are disappointed in the election results. >> and so the idea is that as one of the 538 people whose votes will matter the most on december 19th, you

ought to change your vote and vote for someone else? >> >> yeah. that's their intention. unfortunately if they did so the research and google it it's a pointless endeavor. in michigan we have laws that protect the michigan electorate that protect against. if we attempt to change our votes in any way, our votes will be voided and we will be replaced by another elector who will do the bidding of the electorate. >> who will do the will of the voters. >> yeah. >> you see yourself as a stand-in. a voter by proxy of the voters of michigan? >> um-huh. i see myself as somebody who is there to deliver the message that the popular vote of the state of michigan sends on november 9th. >> right. exactly. so have the messages you received been specific in who you ought to vote for? is it all hillary or is there some other republican you ought to vote for? like what exactly is the plan? trying to figure it out? >> i saw some headlines

recently that some people were trying to get us to switch our votes for kasich. i have only been asked do change my vote to hillary clinton by a lot of these people. so, yeah. >> i know it's against the law in michigan as you just said. are you tempted at all? >> oh, no. not at all. in fact, these kind of threats and hypocritical messages from the left are one of those things that kind of rereaffirm my support for donald trump. i think it's hilarious that people think as you read earlier that people send death threats you are a hateful bigot i hope you die would ever get me to change my vote. i think it's ridiculous. >> any way to fight hate it's with death threats. great to see you tonight, michael roe. thanks for being brave enough to come on. we freecht. >> thanks for having me. >> next, he has taken on all types of dirty jobs. mike rowe is deepest and college cesspool at college

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>> news any given day, you are apt to see stories about college kids doing lunatic things. incomprehensible things. last couple weeks invited college kids on this show to find out why they are doing them and what can do to help. a man who has thought a lot about this topic. the famed tv show host mike rowe. great to see you. >> hey, tucker. how are you? >> i'm really well and also a little confused.

we had the conversation tonight with a guy from hampshire college a student there where there was a flag burning incident and pulled the flag down against american imperialism, et cetera. i asked him why is it only expensive liberal arts colleges where this kind of thing happens? and here's what he said. watch. >> you never see anybody at a trade school burning the american flag. you have noticed this that? i'm not making this up in my mind, am i? >> i think that you're more likely to pick up a story in which rich kids burn a flag on the basis we have more access to the media. >> really you? think that your average hvac repair school they are burning the flag? >> you and me both know the politics of this country are divided by class. >> you would actually know the answer to this. are they burning american flags at hvac repair schools, at trade schools? >> i have never seen one. but, look, i haven't been to all of them. i have been to a lot of them. my foundation works pretty

closely with them. i heard you ask that question and i saw that interview when it aired. my first thought just sitting home was nobody is disputing the right to do any of this stuff. >> sure. >> for me, it just -- it's a matter of persuasion, right? is it persuasive to burn a symbol that you know so many people care so much about? it's a great way to get attention, but i'm not personally convinced it's a great way to make people think differently about whatever it is you believe and however it is you might feel. >> and that is such a good and obvious point that's so rarely made that makes you wonder is it a good idea? something have you been talking about for many years. is it a good idea to expect that every child in america gets a four-year liberal arts education? maybe for a lot of kids it is counter productive? >> well, look, if you're running for office or if you are trying to say something in a sound bite that applies to lots and lots of people,

it's easy to say a four-year degree is the best path for the most people. >> right. >> if you are running for office, as so many people seem to be, that's what you hear year after year, again and again and again. pretty soon after 40 years of it, we start to believe it we start to believe that the best path for the most people happens to also be the most expensive path and it also happens to be the path that has led to a skills gap of about 5.8 million positions and student loans at about 1.3 trillion and sooner or later somebody has got to throw the flag, so to speak and say, maybe there is another way. >> maybe there is. so you have spent a lot of time on the subject. you have a foundation that helps kids who are looking for another way. and all n. all the years you have been watching, what are the attitudes that prevent young people from finding success and happiness? >> i think that's such an existential, sociological, heavy thing. and i'm glad you asked. i'm not an expert.

but i think -- i think it's this idea that there is a dream job out there. you know, we're told from the very, very beginning that if you want to be happy, then you have to be doing the thing that will make you happy. and so we embark on this quest for happiness that has everything to do with attaining that which we have previously determined will cause bliss, right? it's sort of like -- sort of like looking for your soul mate as opposed to trying to find happiness in your zip code. we just make it so hard. >> yes. >> so if you decide really really early if only way make me happy to be "american idol" stand in line, audition and maybe disappointing when one of the judges tells you at 20 years of age for the first time in your life no, you can't do this. and so, there is just a disconnect. you know, the opportunities that exist today and the big

lesson that i learned on dirty jobs and in other places was that if you chase the opportunities that are there and then figure out a way to be good at them and then figure out a way to love them, you'll be amazed at how stuff lines up. >> being useful is the key to happiness. isn't it? people want to feel like they are adding to the sum total of goodness. there is a practical streak in people. when you are good at something you drive pleasure and satisfaction from it, don't you? >> yeah. meaningful work is very different than drudgery. one of the things that continually surprised people with the kind of shows i do is that we try and find people who aren't doing jobs that are traditionally aspirational but who have nevertheless prospered and found real contentment doing it that was the real thing about dirty jobs and somebody has got to do it that freaked viewers out again and again over and over. it wasn't the fact that the jobs existed or the people were doing them. it was how much fun people

were having and how much meaning and how much joy was being extracted from stuff train to believe was some sort of vocational son legs consolation prize. big diswucketd and pernicious lie and bit by bit we try to chip away at it. >> it's a massive -- i mean, it really does seem like the society sends a pretty clear message to young people, especially smart young people if you are really talented you go into finance. like that's kind of forgone, right? that's what you do. is that a healthy thing? >> right. >> i think it's always unhealthy to suggest that heads is more interesting than tails. blue collar is less interesting than white collar. it's all these things. you know, people talk about the skills gap like it's a great mystery and personally i think it's really just a reflection of rewarding the behavior that we have been rewarding. so, we want something better for our kids than what we had, but we don't really

know what better means. >> yes. >> and in an effort not to screw things up too badly as parents a lot of people, i think, sort of default to some nonexistent playbook. and in that playbook, there is a list of things to do in order to make sure you don't screw your kid up. and one of those things to do is to make sure you get them into a good school. here is where it gets really crazy in my view. every time i say things like this in defense of trade schools, what comes back over the net is, mike, you know, this weird anti-college kind of thing. and it's nothing further from the truth. but what struck me about the interview you played before wasn't just the fact that, you know, that guy had his opinion, it was the fact that they are paying 60, $62,000 a year, right, so times four for quarter million dollars. a quarter million dollars, it's either worth it or it's not. you can either afford it or you can't. and we are either helping to subsidize it or we aren't.

well, we are. and so consequently even though i don't go to that school and even though i respect the people who do, i feel like we ought to have permission to have a conversation about forgive me, i know this rankles people but it's a return on our investment, too. because $1.3 trillion it does -- it's not falling out of the air. we're paying for it. >> that's the mid evil church. you just give your money and be quiet. shut up and obey. mike rowe, thanks for joining us. we really appreciate it? >> any time. thank you. >> and we promised you we were going to keep covering the story of otto warmbier behind bars in north korea. what if anything is being done by the u.s. government to bring him home safely. that's the question we're going to ask next.

>> shear a story the press laundry roomily ignored for some reason that we are going to stay on top of as

long as it takes auva student, an american being held captive in north korea. his name is otto warmbier. he was incidenced to 21 years of hard labor. here now is a look at what he did and why he is being punished. >> otto warmbier 21-year-old student from ohio. he is not on campus in charlotteville. serving 15 years of hard labor in communist north korea. >> my brother and my sister need me. i beg that you see i am only human. how i have made the worst mistake of my life. >> in january, warmbier was arrested pon pyongyang airport getting red he attempted to steal a post from her his hotel that's a crime for which he was sentenced to prison. the video released show him

on the day he was sentenced dragged through the nation's highest court. and forced endure a sham trial forced endure a trial of hostile acts against the people of north korea. >> we strongly urge the government of north korea pardon him and grant him special amnesty and immediate arrest. >> the arrest came at the same time the united states was considering new sanctions against the regime. while the u.s. government has publicly expressed concern about warmbier's sentence -- >> -- it is increasinglily clear that the north korea government seeks to use u.s. citizens as political ayen da. >> not clear what it has done. made no difference for warmbier who are who today is 340th day in captivity. are enough to make you cry. so what is being done to bring otto warmbier home. joining us now home. ambassador, it's great to see you. >> great to be here. >> north korea seems to be behaving like north korea behaves. i'm not surprised by that i

don't think anyone who follows it is i'm really surprised by the callousness of the state department, the distortion. the warmbiers have met with the state department on a number of times. and a bunch of occasions the state department said why did you let him go blaming the parents for the captivity of their son. is he an american. i don't even know what to say. dolls that surprise you that they behaved that way? >> unfortunately it's fairly typical. the function of the u.s. government in situations like this is to protect american citizens whether they get in to a bad situation. >> exactly. >> out of care alsoness or recklessness or fully intending it the fact is here, north korea is a barbaric state. it's the only hereditary communist dictatorship in the world. it's ruler is by our terms, maybe not by theirs but by our terms a fruit cake. and therefore when they get an opportunity to do this to an american, they're going to take advantage of it our response should not be to say well, let's urge the north koreans to allow this fellow out to give him some

kind of slap on the wrist and let him go for nonexistent crime. it should be to apply pressure. that is inconsistent with the administration's goals and the state department's goals which is to do a deal on the nuclear program. so you can see parallels between how the administration handles north korea and how it handles iran. they take american hostages. fire american warships. nothing stops the nuclear deal. i think it's the same sort of thing here. >> i get there is a lot going on in the world there is a complicated place. basic promise of american citizenship is that your country will stand up for you when you are in trouble. just to be totally clear. there is no gray area in this story. this kid on school tour to north korea. he didn't do anything wrong. >> it's ridiculous. >> why aren't they standing up for him. >> you can find an american teenager or young person who hasn't stole an poster somewhere, it would be hard to imagine. and i think the reason that they're not doing it is that they lack the will power to carry through on the implications. and this is not just the problem of obama. let's not forget, north

korea was removed from the list of state sponsors of terrorism during the bush administration. >> yes. >> despite a history of kidnapping south koreans, kidnapping japanese. >> of course,. >> in effect, kidnapping americans. the signal that we have been sending to them is you can do this and get away with it because countries all over the world watch behavior of the united states towards others, when obama pays $1.7 billion in ransom for four people being held hostage in iran, obviously the north koreans see this as a bargaining chip as well. >> doesn't this fit with trump's home campaign which i understood going to stand up for americans. will our policy about this specific case otto warmbier change under the new administration. >> it should. i think there may be a possibility here if the trump transition team and the obama administration are working together for the outgoing obama administration to say to north korea, look, we're just letting you know this

new administration is going to be very different from us. if you want to get off on the right foot with them, do the civilized thing, release this kid, release whoever else you've got, act like a normal nation and maybe trump will respond. so in that six weeks that's left, if i were the trump transition team, i would be saying to obama get this guy out. >> and i would find the state department official who blamed the family for their son's captivity and fire that person immediately. that's totally outrageous. ambassador, thank you. >> glad to be with you. >> appreciate it today marks the 75th anniversary on the attack on pearl harbor. some millennials don't know what happened that day. brian kilmeade is here next to remind them. stay tuned.

>> time now for the friends zone where we invite many one of our many friend from within the building here in fox onto the show. tonight we are joined by old friend brian kilmeade. obviously co-host of "fox & friends." and his book, which you doubtless have read. if you haven't you should. thomas jefferson the tripoli boy rats available in paperback. basically everybody has already bought it today the 75th anniversary of the surprise attack on pearl harbor in hawaii. then a territory, now a state. it killed northeasterly 2400 service members and propelled us into the second world war. one of the pivotal moments in american history and yet, it's being forgotten. brian kilmeade was recently at pearl harbor in hawaii and he brings back a report. is that true, brian? >> i think so, tucker. it's great to see you, as usual. i will tell you what, this is the year my family finally decided we are going to put up with the 12 hour ride. fly out directly to hawaii. 75 years since the attack. we're definitely going to pearl harbor and we went. we could not wait to go. being that you have this huge budget, you were able

to pay the rights fees to see my family photos from pearl harbor. we had a chance to not only see veterans signing peculiars and big tribute. it's a thriving military port and base. it also is a tribune beauty to those who gave their lives that day. so we got on the boat. we go out there with the -- after seeing the movie. the competency movie. we go to see the uss arizona. after i saw the great job the tour guide did and how fundamental and elementary the movie was. when americans come to see, this do they usually ask questions as this they know what's going on or don't? they said most of the young people have no idea what happened and who won the war and who was on what side. and these are the state troopers that do this on a regular basis. they give the tours. and i was just struck by that. >> that's unbelievable. i think if you were to ask your basic conflict story

what were the story hiroshima and nag psaki unjustified atomic bomb attack. that's a lie but that's what they learn, i think. >> you were too long the show at this time, i believe, when president obama went over to hiroshima and nag psaki for those who lost their levees after the atomic bomb. i always thought if you want to do that, go ahead and do that the president did. but stop in hawaii first. you know a few people here. you grew up here. go to hawaii and let everybody know i'm going over to see what happened, what happened after they did this. >> exactly. >> it will remind people that there was a reason why we attacked pause we were attacked. >> exactly. we did this thing for go for total and complete victory. and now i bring this up, especially. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. did he do that? i can't remember. did he stop in hawaii. >> he did not. right over to hiroshima and did his tribute and left. historic absolutely, i have

no problem with it they are great allies but i do think it would have been great to go to hawaii first. on the radio today 9/11 same thing. is it going to be forgotten in 75 years. i don't know how you feel, tucker, i don't think it will be forgotten. a lot to do with the quality of the museum which is downtown, around a thriving metropolis and i see it has a lot to do with the fact that new york is a popular city and hawaii is so beautiful but far away. i think that 9/11, 75 years from now we have the video. we lived it. and i think we'll be talking about it much more vividly, sadly than 75 years ago when pearl harbor was hit. what about you? >> that maybe the case. the question is not whether you remember an event or interpret it correctly. if you understand what it actually meant and the lessons that it should be conveying. and i suspect 75 years from now people may be distorting the meaning of 9/11. >> i said that the way we are patriotic and not patriotic maybe will be on the ebb and flow of the high when people realize you are in this country pretty much

hit lotto no matter what status you are in. people take that for granted and a way people look around what's so great about america. take a look around the rest of the world and you will find out. >> that's exactly right. i suggest that every graduating high school senior go to brekina, fossa for the summer for context. >> great to see you, tucker. >> that was touching: coming up, you are almost out of time to tell us what you would do if somehow you became king of the world for a day and had absolutely power. would you misuse it? of course you would. would you do something creative? perhaps. tweet us at tucker carlson and find out if yours made the cut, next. ♪ ♪

>> your turn to be king for a day. we asked if you had absolute power would it corrupt you

absolutely, of course it would. what's the one thing you would do to improve the country? we got a lot of responses this week. righteous tweeted this make a taco that doesn't fall apart. sometimes it's the small things that improve life the most. james fennimore wrote ice cream for dinner. oh, wait, i'm an adult. can i do that now if i want. we have more power than we know we do. grant ellis tweeted this for 24 hours treat millennials to the real horrors they pretend to be suffering that sounds ominous. adults wearing pajamas and/or sweats or taking off their shoes on airplane would be arrested and fined. whoa. we can all get behind that and finally mac wells tweeted this stop tempting pee me, tucker, too much power and responsibilities. finally a man with a restraint. today pomposity return thursday we want to hear from you as always. what's the most palm pu palm pod

ludicrous thing. tune in every night, dvr each night at 7:00 as we get back to basics. stay tuned, bill o'reilly is up next. welcome to "red eye." hello. i'm tom shillue. let's check in with andy levey. andy? >> thanks, tom. xomeing up on the big show. donald trump is named "time" magazine's person of the year. in 2017 news, donald trump is named "time" magazine's person of the year for the second straight year. in 2018 news, donald trump is named -- you get it. and a company cancels their holiday party because trump won the election. trump ruined it and it is hillary's fault. and unlike in jurassic world, his character will not bewa