. jenna: we'll see you back here in an hour. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert -- a brand-new twist in the russian election hack, stunning reports that u.s. intel officials believe russian president vladimir putin became personally inv campaign to interfere in the u.s. presidential race. this as the white house strongly suggesting that president-elect donald trump knew about russia's meddling, this is "outnumbered". i'm sandra smith. here today harris faulkner, meghan mccain, and look who's back, the anchor of the kelly file, megyn kelly is here. glad to have here, her book, a "new york times," and amazon best seller and today's hashtag one lucky guy former

presidential candidate and former governor of the state of arkansas governor mike huckabee, he is with all due respect, "outnumbered." >> outnumbered, outclassed, outlooked. i get it. thank you. >> supreme class going on down there. >> a guy said i used to have a tie that didn't go with anything either. hurt my feelings, i am surprised i showed up today. >> chris was a hater. >> we have a lot to get to. good to have you as well, megyn. get started with the stunning developments. senior u.s. intelligence officials saying vladimir putin was personally involved in efforts to interfere with the presidential election, and that putin himself, a former kgb operative directed how material hacked from the democrats was leaked, and used. while president-elect donald trump has pushed back on claims that russia tried to get him elected, white house press secretary josh earnest saying there is plenty of evidence that he knew about the hack and

encouraged it. >> republican nominee himself calling on russia to hack his opponent it. might be an indication that he was obviously aware and concluded based on whatever facts or sources he was -- he had available to him that russia was involved and their involvement was having a negative impact on his opponents' campaign, that's why he was encouraging them to keep doing it. >> senior trump adviser kellyanne conway slamming josh earnest's remarks. >> remarkable, breathtaking, i guess he's auditioning to be a political pundit after his job is over that. is incredibly disappointing to hear from the white house and the press secretary, he essentially stated that the president-elect had knowledge of this, maybe fand the flames. it's incredibly irresponsible, and i wonder if his boss, president obama, agrees. >> mean time, a new "fox news

poll" finding a big majority of americans, 59% don't think russian meddling had any effect on the election. i'll bet governor mike huckabee has something to say about all this. >> i'm totally stunned by the fact that josh earnest would say that. first of all, donald trump said what he did sarcastically by saying maybe trump -- excuse me, maybe putin can get the 33,000 deleted e-mails. that's what he was saying. it was a joke and everybody got the joke except the humorless people in the white house. secondly, you know who did know about this in advance? president obama. he knew about this in september of 2015. what did he do? nothing. this is a nonstory, absolutely something the democrats are trying to use to discredit the validity of donald trump's election, and it is just disgusting. >> megyn, you have been covering this on your show. you had congressman peter king on last night talking about this, let's listen and get your thoughts on the other side. >> all we've heard from the

intelligence community over the last several months is that they could not say that there was any attempt to undermine hillary clinton to help donald trump. it's almost as if people in the intelligence community are carrying out disinformation campaign against the president-elect of the united states, absolutely disgraceful. if they're not doing it, must be someone in the house or the senate leaking false information, and should be a full investigation of this. >> those are strong words, megyn. the intel community carrying out a disinformation campaign against the president-elect? >> well, and as that clip went on, i challenged him with what general hayden said, he used to run the cia. he said that is dangerous. when you get into going after the cia and integrity, you're on dangerous ground. these guys sacrifice their lives, put themselves at risk to gather intel, and what are they doing it for, if they bring it back and there is a summary dismissal of their conclusions. but what's happened here is, they've come back and said

they've interfered. they messed with the election, they hacked podesta, filed e-mails off to wikileaks who produced them, but taken it a step further and tried to ascribe motive, motive to them, and that's where you see donald trump and others saying hold on, do you have the goods on that? i haven't seen the goods on that that the director of the national intelligence says we're not sure we have the goods on that, the fbi is not sure they have the goods on that. that's when it smells political and the question is raised why, didn't you raise this barack obama in the fall, when it was obvious that everything that was coming out was hurting hillary and nothing hurting donald trump. you had enough to put it together back then, if you want to ascribe a motive to it. as long as they thought hillary was winning, it didn't seem to be problematic. >> the american people deserve to know if we're being hacked. at the highest levels of our government. >> we definitely are being hacked. >> we need to know who's doing it.

>> how and how do we prevent it. >> phishing e-mails. we got these, don't you remember that? a couple months ago. i was like, oh, no, my password has been discovered and like a moron, i almost clicked on it. i said wait, remember john podesta, they try to get in, john podesta's people clicked on it. >> and not to say it leaves footprints. >> anybody doubt we're not trying hack into the russians and chinese and anybody else we're interested in? the idea they're trying to influence the election. does anybody remember when barack obama in all of his political operatives were directly involved in the re-election of netanyahu in israel? sorry. >> two separate issues, i think, two problems, the first one is any pro clutching done by democrats is absurd. remember when president obama ridiculed mitt romney for saying it was a 1980s foreign policy to fear putin. caught on his mic saying he would have more flexibility after election with the

then-period medved of russia. any proclutching is ridiculous and they only care now because it's political expediency. the second issue is the normalizing of putin being a guy we can possibly do business with. there was a ugov poll where it said republican -- vice president joe biden was at 20% and vladimir putin was at 24% of hillary clinton was at 7%. and sort of the normalizing of our impression of what we can do with a murderous kgb dictator two. separate issues and both sides are using it. >> let me get to what the president-elect is saying today on this via twitter, of course. he tweeted this out, if russia or some other entity was hacking, why did the white house wait so long to isn't it a fact why did they only complain after hillary lost? >> a fair question, the fundamental question. and as far as the cia, nobody questions the rank and file members of the cia who risk their lives. i think we've got to remember

the cia director and the top people at the leadership positions are political appointees, and there's a difference between the rank and file and the people who are running from the political operation, and sometimes that means the cia becomes the cya trying to explain the election results. the election results are hillary was a terrible candidate and they can't get over it. >> the other thing is the american people knew very well russia might be involved in the hacking prior to november 8th. that was well publicized. any time you have a democrat or hillary defender on the program, they would say russia, bad, russia, russia, russia, what about hillary clinton having a message? maybe it was factored in and explains the 59% of americans who say i don't think it had effect. i knew it, i factored it in, it wasn't a thing for me. >> so much more to get to. president-elect trump to take office in a bit more than a month. with two cabinet picks left to

go, revealing "fox news poll"s how americans feel about mr. trump right now? we will show you. plus, did mitt romney's refusal to make a public apology to mr. trump cost him the secretary of state job? a bombshell new report straight ahead. want longer lasting heartburn relief?

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. >> fox news alert for you. we're watching the dow jones industrial average. another surge in this market. u.s. stocks up 126 points. the dow right now, approaching that big, round 20,000 level that a lot of people are watching. by the way, if the dow were to close where it is right now, it could be another record close and the 17th record close since donald trump was elected president. we'll keep watching it for you. president-elect donald trump continues meetings at trump tower, very busy place as he prepares to fill the final two seats of cabinet, secretary of agriculture and veterans affairs. fox news polling shows favorability shows 57%, 59% are hopeful about mr. trump's presidency. 31% of voters say mr. trump could be one of the worst

presidents in history. a third there. a huge number of people in the hopeful category. governor, as you look at this, what do you think is driving the favorability. he hasn't gotten to policy yet? >> he's proven to be a serious guy, great cabinet of people, confident. the fact he's doing rallies and thanking the people who elected him and connecting to people. thumbing his nose at the press, doing a lot of the things the public loves him for. look what happened with carrier, with ford, with the fact he was willing to take on china over the taiwan phone call. these are things people are excited about, an american president standing up and acting an american president for once. >> do you love the aspects so much you want to join the team? >> let's move on. [laughter] >> look, i have been honest about the fact i was offered a position in the cabinet. i declined it. i never did anything to help donald trump get elected

because i wanted a federal job. i didn't. i want america to start to do well and go to work again. >> we get a lot of live tweets and people say we wanted to see you in a position. >> they just want to get rid of me. enough. >> not with that tie on. [ laughter ] >> that's it. >> megyn, where do you put the favorability ahead of the actual governing. how important is it? >> one helps the other, agenda will be readily received if the people like and believe in him. you can see the numbers turning around dramatically, that's a dramatic shift having not yet taken office. in addition to carrier, it's his outreach to rivals, to people who just battered him for months. people like mitt romney. i don't think you could find somebody that said worse things about donald trump than mitt romney and looks like he gave him a serious look for secretary of state. and others, he's had a parade of people you know he doesn't agree with.

leonardo dicaprio? >> al gore. >> right. he had them in there. the tech meeting yesterday, all those people, they didn't vote for donald trump. peter thiel has been basically thrown out of silicon valley because he got behind trump early, but he met with them. i think it speaks to one piece of donald trump people worry about which is can he be the magnanimous person we've heard about. he was rough-and-tumble in the campaign, which as he put it was a nasty business and the other side of donald trump, he can be kind and welcoming and open-minded. if he feels he's in a fight, that's not the mode he's in. >> interesting, megyn, i come to someone like you said you would not support him along the way. said you would not vote for donald trump. when you dig deeper into the polling, you see how people like you are in that favorability. >> i love how he picked general mattis, makes me feel safer as

an american. two things i agree with what megyn said, him reaching out to unexpected people. leonardo dicaprio, al gore, and dinner with mitt romney made me feel there was going to be connecting between both sides of the party. i think americans want america to do well. i want this president to succeed, be the best president ever. i want america to be great again, i'm willing to give him the chance to lead. i've said so since he got elected. >> it's amazing to watch your opinion of him evolve. that's happening with a lot of people in the country. the funny part is he's not even president yet. >> he's behaving very well. he's not picking fights with hispanic judges, he's not going after miss universe for being too heavy. those things were controversies because people felt offended by them. he hasn't done any of that nonsense since he won the election, very minimal. and i think it's helped unify people behind him. >> tom hanks said something i thought was brilliant.

he said i did not vote for donald trump. i was not for him and a vocal hillary supporter. he said i want donald trump to be so good a president i end up voting for his re-election in four years. i thought that is a great american spirit. great answer. >> we talked about mitt romney -- >> meantime, mitt romney reportedly declined to publicly apologize for past criticism of president-elect donald trump, and that ended up costing him a job as secretary of state. that according to cnn which says reince priebus and mike pence pushed for the apology, and the president-elect himself wanted romney to say he was, quote, wrong about him. sources also saying trump personally saw it in business deal terms. he would get the mea cul sought from romney. romney would get the job he coveted. romney who titled his own book apology declined. kellyanne conway has no knowledge of condition like that. i'm going to go to you first, meghan.

i made so much fun of the dinner between trump and romney, it looks like the bachelor one on one date. i think mitt romney has been neutered from having criticism of donald trump in the future. i think it's hurt him, it's not that he reached out and connected with donald trumpment i think that was great. i think that dinner was over the top. >> i think it was funny because donald trump had run champion of the regular guy. he's to his credit, he's eating the frog legs and the foie gras. he says screw you, i learned to eat a meal. can i say my take on the trump-romney meetings, they reflect well on the both men and the deterioration of it reflects well on both men, reportedly donald trump didn't want the apology. he didn't need an apology, his team wanted -- who didn't like mitt romney and thought apology from romney would assuage those who didn't like him, so donald trump in an effort to get over

those objections offered mitt romney an off-ramp or on-ramp, and to romney's credit, he didn't feel apologetic. he didn't feel sorry for what he said, it was heart felt at the time. he may see donald trump differently now and wasn't able to do it, and seem to have parted friends. i think good for both of them. >> trashing me after i meet with them, that's not friendly. i did not like that kellyanne conway did that. what do you make of this? >> what is interesting is romney went there on the weekend the trump lawsuit was settled. what a shrewd move. nobody is talking about the trump university suit. they're talking about the fact that mitt romney is there. i think mitt romney had to do something publicly other than show up. he didn't just say i don't think trump would be a good president. he said he was a phony and fraud and the people following them are suckers. these are serious personal integrity charges. the big question for me throughout this whole thing is maybe not wanting donald trump

to come in but why would romney want to work for somebody whom he had no respect? that is amazing. >> when he was criticizing donald trump in the primaries, didn't seem like acting, wasn't in the race as a competitor. >> absolutely. remember that day he held? it was the big speech of the afternoon. >> detroit debate hosted by fox news. >> yeah, this wasn't a situation where you caught him off stage and put a mic in and what do you think? this is a big situation. >> i wonder if people thought there was much more than him being in the running or considered as secretary of state by the president-elect? >> you mean on trump's part? >> yeah! >> i don't know, maybe trump thought this was a way to -- >> kellyanne conway saying she would not be for this decision, she's not going to do that without donald trump, absolutely knowing she was going to speak out publicly about this. >> newt gingrich was and i was. not because we cared whether donald trump liked it or didn't, we felt it would be an insult to the supporters of

donald trump labeled as suckers for having supported him. unless romney addressed that. couldn't be could these two guys get over it? of course they can. they're grown-ups. can supporters get over the fact they've been called something terrible. of course they wouldn't. >> almost like the divet of the deplorables. >> kellyanne agreed on russia and putin. >> new concerns about obamacare as stunning new analysis shows how much taxpayers will be forking over to cover double digit premium hikes. what the president-elect should do about it? and team trump floating a shake-up how it deals with the white house press corps. whether it's time to make some changes? [ crowd noise ]

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it comes to obamacare. a new study says taxpayers will fork over nearly 10 billion more dollars next year to cover double digit premium hikes for subsidized health plans. analysis by the nonpartisan center for health and economy comes as president-elect trump met with obamacare architect ezekiel emanuel to discuss the future of the controversial health care law. all this as a new fox poll shows nearly half of americans, 49% want the legislation repealed and replaced which mr. trump has vowed to do. meantime, politico reporting surprising number of democrats who would never vote to repeal obamacare say they're open to helping republicans replace it once the deed is done. okay. let's start with the basis here. will donald trump repeal the law? >> well, i think he has to because if he doesn't, it's going to be breaking one of the most important campaign promises and also important, in order to salvage the economy of the country.

we can't afford the way obamacare is structured. structured to fail. and we all tried to say this, but nobody on the democrat side would listen, and the fact is you can't add this many sick people into a system and somehow it's supposed to magically work that it can be paid for, especially when you take the sickest people and put them in the general pool. they've got to be separated out, subsidized, that way the rest of the pool is affordable. the people will be paying for the premiums the most catastrophic cost heavy people in the entire system. won't work. >> interesting to see how could this be one of the first 100-day items, on the promises list. you have a bicameral majority. are there indications the republicans wouldn't be able to get this through? we're looking at the flip of what president obama has? >> there could potentially be a filibuster because they don't have a filibuster proof majority. if they try to push it too far.

can i tell you, this is a hot mess and going to stay a hot mess. i've had zeke emanuel on the show many times. many worthwhile exchanges, check it out on youtube. he does not like the republican plan for keeping people with preexisting conditions covered but finding another way, not imposing the mandate that makes the young people and everybody else buy insurance when they don't want it. he says the republican plan is going to push them off into the risk pools like the people with the preexisting conditions have to go into special pools and coverage is going to suck and not going to get enough supplements, subsidies, so it's going to be like almost like not being covered at all, and those people who liked having preexisting conditions covered are going to find themselves unhappy. the politics on this, it's not settled. >> very similar to what we have for those who have like the bronze plan, if you will. the lower end of obamacare.

it very much feels like that. >> the private sector can never cover those people. it's going to have to be government subsidized. suck that up and accept it. going to be like medicare. the reason is because no private insurer can afford the actuarial consequences of taking people there is no limit on lifetime benefits and no stopping for preexisting conditions. >> unless you get all the healthy people buying in. >> refused. >> they are having to buy insurance they don't need, don't want and can't afford. it's never going to work. >> if only the republicans could have forseen that as an issue. >> they tried. they tried. >> and get a single republican voting for the thing. >> not one. >> megyn, what do you make of the political report, surprising number of senate democrats who say once the deed is done they're open to having republicans replace that? >> shocked to read that, how quickly the tune changes when a republican is elected. especially i take it deeply

personally. i don't know one friend in my life who didn't choose to exit out of obamacare and say i don't know one of my age range, it's been that much of a failure. granted many arizonians in my home state, that's the premiums they're talking about. over 100%. amazing, democrats have to see the writing on the wall what a disaster this has been, and no other option. i love this and the iran deal is obama's legacy. two biggest things, disasters that will -- >> there is a lesson for future politicians including donald trump. if you don't get bipartisan buy-in of something this critical to the american public, like health care, it's on a thin reed and stay on a thin reed forever. >> yeah. >> i certainly hope somebody learns that lesson. some democrat does. the trump team is floating a shake-up for the press corps, reince priebus saying the future administration is thinking of making changes to

the format of the daily press briefings, as well as the seating chart. >> the first front row assigned seat issue as i understand it, started in the obama administration, and the bush administration you just took a seat, and i guess there were a couple people that have had reserved spots, but for the most part, the more formalized reserved seating piece came in over the last eight years. that issue is being talked about. i can assure you that change is going to happen. >> white house press secretary josh earnest saying priebus is wrong about the seating arrangements. >> it certainly predates president obama's presence in the white house. the white house press corps has worked among yourself to organize the seating arrangements in this room, and certainly would recommend to the incoming administration that they collect and familiarize themselves with basic facts as they consider what sort of policies to implement moving forward. >> white house correspondents'

association released its own statement reiterating that point and expressing that concern about priebus's remarks. to you, governor huckabee. what's the big deal if he wants to switch things up with the white house press corps? >> i hope he does, the press corps is not supposed to be his friend. the headline would read, donald trump runs away as historic building burns to the ground. i guarantee you, you know what i would suggest he does? he's going out and doing these rallies. the best questions i ever got and most of us get on the campaign trail don't come from national reporters who sit in bubbles like the white house press corps, they come from local reporters in daily papers and local television stations, donald trump should do press conferences and invite people from local stations and local dailies to be the press corps and ask the questions. it would transform the process because he would be getting questions that are legitimate from people that actually are doing the work of journalism and not these hacks who sit in the white house press room

seeing if they can have a gotcha moment to be youtubed. >> we see it now and then with reporters they have open forum on twitter or facebook feed. i have long said there's got to be a way to get the american voice inside the white house press corps room. more than a sycophant seating it would be interesting to do some of what you're talking about, but also some social media outreach too that could be carried into those meetings via those journalists. opposed to

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♪ ♪ harris: well, megyn kelly has cemented her reputation as one of the most respected, hardest-hitting journalists in america. now in her debut book, "settle for more," a new york times bestseller, megyn tells the stories that landed her in the

anchor chair. megyn also shares the family values and experiences that shaped her personal and professional life, and i love talking about her like she's not even sitting here. that's the intro. i want to get to something that really resonated with me, and this is men, this is women, this is everybody, the concept of having it all. you spent a whole chapter on this and how you determine what it means for you. what does it mean? megyn: yeah. i moon, because i think most people struggle with in the in 2016 america where we're expected to do it all and have it all and make it look simple and, of course, that's nonsense. we may be wondering whether today's the day i'm going to get the chalk outline around me, you know? [laughter] which i constantly ask my husband. am i going to make it? he's like, yeah, you'll make it. but i think that's because especially on television we sort of tend to project and present this image that is, in a way, false. because we have people who make us look good, and we're all uh-uh pulled together -- all pulled together.

if you could see me in the morning, you'd be horrified. but i write about how i wear this green t-shirt that reads i have it all on it. my baby had been sick, i'm bouncing the one baby, my other child had been sick, my mother-in-law looks at me and says, oh, you have it all, all right. [laughter] so it's hard. that's just the reality. and at any given point, you have to decide what to prioritize in your life. harris: and you got a partner -- you've got a partner who reminds you. yeah, right? he's the angel. megyn: that's -- i mean, his willingness to be an equal partner to me in our marriage and parenthood has changed everything for me. if i was with somebody who was working 18 hours a day outside of our home, i couldn't do this job because i'd have too much guilt at neither parent being there, you know, for dinner with our kids. harris: you wouldn't be raising them, either one of them. megyn: which isn't okay for me. it is for some people.

even what i'm doing now is not enough, and i have to figure out a way to do this job that i love but more present in their lives. harris: had 'em to raise 'em, as my mother used to say. megyn: yeah. i'm missing too much, and right now that's my one concern as a working parent, and i think a lot of people can relate, i'm missing too much of it. sandra: and i love how you rejected the trophies for everyone mentality, and that goes to say how you're raising your kids and the culture we live in today, it seems like we see a lot of that. megyn: you know, it's like you look at the military, right? you can learn so much from the way those men and women live their lives. do you think they give trophies for everybody in the military? what's going to happen when little johnny doesn't pass basic training? he's going to be crying in his soup because he's going to have finally discovered he's not god's gift. and the same is going to happen if we continue to wussify them and tell them their special.

in my family the message was you don't seem that special -- [laughter] harris: oh! megyn: and that's fine. if you prove us different, we're open minded to that. harris: go do something that sets you apart. megyn: that kept me humble, and my mother is only too happy to help. harris: you got to get deep in here to get to settle for more, but before that, what does having it all mean to you? megyn: well, it depends on who you are, but for me it means feeling connected to the people who make me me, you know? i love my job, and i would be upset if i got fired tomorrow, but it doesn't define me. harris: i'm with you on that. megyn: it's what i do, not who i am. i'm a person, a mother, a wife, a daughter, a sister, a friend. those are the things that define me, and those are the things i hold on to during tough times. you know, not really my job. it would be a blow to my ego to lose it, but it wouldn't change who i am. right? anyway, on the settle for more

concept, this -- the number one word people have given me back about the book is inspirational, which i love, because that's how i meant it. it was offered in that spirit. and it talks about some adversity i've had from the death of my father to a year of intense bullying to a divorce or to intents on happiness when i was practicing law to a bad stalker -- which, harris, i know you understand that. but it talks about how those or were all opportunities to get stronger and to develop some core muscles so you can withstand a gut punch. and i think that's part of settling for more in your own life and recognizing that you should embrace these opportunities to grow and do were better, and then you should be honest with yourself about whether you have what you need. not happiness, which is lofty and, arguably, unattainable -- [laughter] as new york city residents. but wholeness. and you can't get that unless you're just brutally honest with yourself about where you really stand and not how your life

looks on paper. i had been married to a doctor, i had been a lawyer at a very great firm about to make partner. i was a small town girl from albany who came from a middle class family without any connections to power, so i was like, i have arrived. and i cry every night. harris: yeah. megyn: why am i crying all the time? i have it all. and i didn't. the truth is, that wasn't working for me, and i decided i could do better. i could settle for more, and i changed my life. harris: yeah. you had arrived at somebody else's ideas of what having it all meant to you. megyn: that's right. and it's not until you smash into that brick wall until you're forced to say this isn't working for me, and i can do better for me. sandra: so many people have that moment in their life, right? megyn: that's right. harris: when you pick up this book, i mean, we're talking about some of the most-watched television. it was like politics/the super bowl. the way that you open the book and talk about how you almost didn't survive the moment before the debate and how sick you were --

megyn: yeah. harris: and then to have settled for more, you were just not going to give up. i mean, it's riveting. megyn: there was no way. you all know, it was the first presidential debate. you remember. >> yeah, i remember, i was there. thanks a lot for reminding me. [laughter] megyn: the 2016 season. and this was the super bowl of electoral politics. we would get 25 million viewers that night, and i was hurling over the bowl about six hours earlier, and i didn't -- i mean, abby, my assistant saw me and just thought def con 1. and then my amazing doctor called me in some medication, to this day i don't know what it was. could have been on an antipsychotic at that debate, couldn't tell you -- [laughter] but it stopped me from vomiting, and we don't have to vomit anymore in -- harris: that was the one, why didn't i no this when we were having children? [laughter] megyn: truly, that is another

example of just fighting through it. tough times come everyone's way. and i write in the book, it's not fighting in syria, right? i have perspective on it. but everyone struggles. and i think if you can see those moments as a chance, arguably one of the only chances in your life to grow and to get stronger and maybe wiser and better, maybe it's a perspective shifter for you when tough times hit. harris: all right. "settle for more," you've got to pick it up. you can't have mine because i've earmarked so many of it, it looks like a post-it convention. megyn: nice. thank you, harris. harris: you're welcome. critics honing in on the trump family amid new details about the influence the president-elect's children could have in his administration. is there cause for concern? we'll talk about it. stay with us. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ sandra: growing concerns about the influence donald trump's family could have in his administration. cnn reporting ivanka trump will be inheriting the first lady's office space in the white house come january, allowing her to advise her father while playing the part of washington hostess. a trump spokesperson says no official decisions about her role have been made. but ivanka has already played a big part in the transition process, attending yesterday's

big meeting with the top tech executives, joining a call with the president of argentina and meeting with japan's prime minister. top trump adviser kellyanne conway saying ms. trump and her husband, jared kushner, would be the most likely family members to have official staff roles, but that they would be making big financial sacrifices to do so. cnn adding that the president-elect's oldest sons, eric and donald jr., have been part of the cabinet vetting process. clearly, this was the expectation, that his children were very involved in his campaigning and that they would be somehow involved in the white house. what do you make of all this? >> well, i think it's a natural progression of the fact that he's very close to his children, i find that rather wonderful, that a father and his children, who are adults, have this extraordinary bond. and it's one of the things that i felt most enamored me about donald trump, was this closeness. now, he can't hire his children. that's nepotism, and that's against the law. they can work on a volunteer capacity, but they can't get a

salary, to so the taxpayers save money. sandra: there are critics that are out there saying that this could be a conflict if his children are that close to him, maybe even in some instances listening to his children more than the people he surrounds himself with in his cabinet. meghan: i think ivanka was his secret weapon for a long time. i know a lot of liberal women could come to the middle with her. i think it's actually smart that he's putting her in his administration. it's not unusual for first daughters to take roles as first lady, melania trump is staying in new york city with barron. i still believe we need a woman in the white house in whatever capacity, whomever she is. i think that role of hostess is extremely important, especially when you're talking about foreign diplomats coming in, and ivanka has shown herself more than capable. sandra: everybody seems to have taken a liking to donald trump's children in this country. is it a good or bad thing if

they have these sort of roles in the white house, megyn? megyn: i don't see the controversy about ivanka, she is kind and smart and good, and she makes him feel better and be better, so why not? the sons, however, i see the controversy in letting them take over the trump organization and sit in on these presidential meetings, like the tech meeting yesterday. they can't do both simultaneously without appearing to have a conflict of interest. so if they're running the trump organization but they're sitting in on to, let's say, cabinet meetings or meetings with foreign leaders and then they call up said foreign leader, are they calling as head of the donald trump organization or as the man who's advising the president? and, you know, that -- our interests as a country are more important than the trump organization's interests. so i think a clear line, you can make a good argument that they need to be clear on that division. >> and i think that line will be crossed on january 20th. up until then, the fact that they sat in on that meeting yesterday, he's not president,

it was an informal meeting. after january 20th, a room full of lawyers will tell things he can't do. the lawyers will ruin a lot of things -- megyn: i could do with less photos of donald trump jr. well pant tails and leopards. [laughter] big game, i know a lot of hunters, but it's sad. sandra: we'll be right back. >> i love it. [laughter] if you're taking prescription medications, does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can cause cavities and bad breath. over 400 medications can cause a dry mouth.

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so today governor huckabee and megyn kelly. [laughter] [applause] that's how it works. thank you for being here. >> thank you. harris: and congrats on "settle for more." outnumbered overtime, foxnews.com/outnumbered for us online. now, "happening now." who is to blame? the heart break addiction that kills more people with gun violence.