tomorrow. again, thanks for watching us tonight. i'm bill 0 o'reilly. remember that the spin stops right here. we are definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, europe. once again, on edge as the islamic state claims responsibility for a man plowing a truck into a crowded christmas traffic in germany's capital. there are multiple fatalities. welcome, everyone. i'm martha maccallum in for megyn kelly. what is believed to be a deliberate attack, a truck driving at high speeds plowed into a christmas market famous in europe this time of year. this one in berlin in the busiest evening hours. there are a number of deaths. at least 50 are said to be injured. you see the scenes. from today.

and this horrific situation. one suspect is dead. the other has been arrested by the police. in an attack that's eerily similar in style to the terror attack in southern france that took the lives of 86 people. for the latest on this story, we turn to trace gallagher in our west coast newsroom. >> martha, this is the old west berlin. very near the kaiser wilhelm memorial church, the church half destroyed in a 1943 bombing raid. police say the truck was traveling around 40 miles per hour, jumped a curb, on to a sidewalk, before slamming into tables and wooden stands filled with people. and not just christmas shoppers and revelers, but also, many who had just gotten off work. the driver fled the scene and was reportedly later arrested. a passenger in the truck was found dead inside the cab. police say he may have been killed in the crash itself. both isis and al qaeda are called on followers to use trucks to attack public places

and this attack comes less than a month after the u.s. state department issued a warning for u.s. citizens in europe to be on heightened alert around holiday festivals, events and markets. a british tourist commented that he didn't see a lot of heightened security. watch. >> i did not see any concrete bars to stop things like this driving in. and i know we had them in birmingham to stop that. we were in the market outside the cathedral. and we had just had a glue vine and then as we were leaving the large truck came through. it went just passed me, my girlfriend and missed me by three meters. missed her by five. came in to the entrance. hit the sides of the barriers and then carried on past us. >> reporter: along with eyewitness accounts, terrified shoppers tweeted images from the scene. at least nine people killed and 50 injured but both numbers are almost certain to change.

germ any's not seen large-scale bombing attacks but a number of smaller attempts and prompting the chancellor to make an about-face and call for better vetting of refugees. christmas markets are a beloved german tradition. they open the first sunday of advent and last through christmas eve. investigators remain on scene but so far there are no reports of any weapons or explosives on board the truck. and a man who says he owns the truck is now telling authorities he believes it was hijacked or as we would say, carjacked. martha? >> joining me is congressman hoekstra and lieutenant colonel schafer. gentlemen, welcome. good to have you here tonight. >> thank you. >> here we are once again. to you first, mr. hoekstra, your thoughts of unfolding in europe tonight. >> i think you have to put it in

the larger context, martha. on saturday an attack in jordan. ten people were killed including a canadian tourist. today you had the ambassador of the russian ambassador to turkey was assassinated. by the muslim brotherhood, al qaeda affiliated individuals. you have the attack in germany and mosul and iraq and syria. we are not really doing very well against the radical jihadist groups, isis, whether it's al qaeda, whether it's the muslim brotherhood. they have a lot of momentum and we have lost a lot of ground. you know, through the rest of this christmas season. leading up to the inaugural. i think we could have a very, very bloody path. >> is there -- tony, is there any political sort of momentum that's going on the here? i mean, spate of attacks that we have seen, you just heard outlined by the chairman, what do you think? >> well, pete is correct completely.

the problem is we have not implemented a policy which works to get ahead of these folks. we have lost momentum. gaining ground in mosul and iraq, look, the rest of the world is on fire. so and as pete said, we have got to be very concerned about our own upcoming events. christmas, new year's eve and the inauguration are three targets. be hoens. the techniques of isis employing, the so-called lone wolves, they're not. you can go online and we could be a radical to train ourselves and thi program. they're doing this with great forethought and now we know that through the somali refugees that attacked with knives and twice now in europe. 14th of july, they used a truck to similar effect and this is a valid technique of terror. so, we've got to get ahead of this. we have to study this hard. we have to do two things rapidly. figure out how to better use intelligence and then use that intelligence to be proactive.

we cannot take chances and pretend the threat doesn't exist. it exists. it's being very effective in europe. we have to be ahead of it and do better here to make sure we don't have a massive loss of life in key events within the next few months. >> for the president-elect trump, pete, you can plan your agenda dmisically. talk about the economy but these are the events that land in your lap as president. this is what you have to deal with and can be proactive. talk to me about what you see so far in the individuals that are going to be taking these tasks on and how you think they will approach it. >> i think i'm very encouraged by the people that mr. trump putting around time. these individuals, they recognize the threat. they recognize the threat. they are -- i think going to be on offense and going after this threat. right now, the radical jihadists, they plan and prepare, they have safe havens in libya, afghanistan. we have to get rid of the safe

havens. that's what donald trump and his team will do, they'll form alliances with our allies in the middle east and go on offensive to take away these safe havens. it does not mean american boots on the ground. it means equipping our allies who are willing to go after isis and al qaeda in the region. we can do it. they can do the job. they just need american leadership. >> tony, in terms of vladimir putin and the role that he's played in syria, and the alliance that he has with assad and iran, when pete hoekstra talks about allies, how does that line up? who are they? >> that's the allies we now are working with a few locations. the arab states and pete completely correct. we have been working with mike flynn before joining donald trump on arab nato. we have to put together their own concepts for own defense, organize a success as pete says and then go after the safe havens all over the place. libya, iraq, syria, anywhere

they're at and with that vladimir putin does share this interest regarding isis and about it. we cannot believe for a minute that somehow vladimir putin's going to be our ally. we have to look at the real nato and talked about doing, one of the things i know for a fact nato not used to counter the terror threat in europe. my first assignments in europe back in 1985 to do counter terrorism operations under nato. we have done this before. we have to figure out how to best organize those on our side and then rapidly aggressively set them forward in notimotion o after them in middle east and europe. >> chilling developments tonight. gentlemen, thank you so much for weighing in. also tonight, what was supposed to be a formality turned into an ugly display of partisan politics when it's time for the electoral college to cast their votes. up next, we'll show you who ended up paying the price. and first lady michelle obama suggested the election results left america without any hope. shawn spicer is working with the

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breaking tonight, a last-ditch effort to keep the president-elect trump from taking office is getting new momentum at the last minute despite the fact that president-elect trump won by dozens of electoral votes. one announcing this morning to

cast the ballot for governor kasich and with voters saying to vote hillary clinton, kasich or basically anybody, who's not the man who won the presidential election, one of president obama's top advisers suggesting the movement likely does more harm than good no matter what the outcome. fox news politics editor joins us in a moment but first james rosen with more tonight. james? >> martha, greetings from washington with the electoral college voting today to formalize donald trump's victory, officials with the republican national committee were keeping close tabs on the 306 truck electors. protesters determined to block the president-elect from receiving the 270 electoral votes needed turned out against tall odds in all 50 state capitals. upwards of 200 demonstrators braved the freezing temperatures in harrisburg chanting no trump, no kkk, no fascist usa.

>> i feel like it's the last chance we have to really save this country. i mean, hillary won the popular vote and hoping that we can make some kind of difference. like the last-ditch effort. >> inside, however, all of the keystone state's electors cast the ballot for the president-elect. the 20 electoral college members are gop activists and sometimes hand picked by the trump campaign. indeed, in the first ten states that donald trump won that voted today, there were no defectors. first so-called faithless elector to materialize was in maine where democrat hillary clinton won and the elector switched the vote to bernie sanders. meantime, an arizona elector pledged to donald trump described the intense pressure faced including an instance of a car cut him off and the inhabitants videotaping him. >> slowed down behind, got to the car and taking pictures and that happened two days in a row and two different people but again slowly passing in front of

the house, same car, same people. and that kind of intimidation for me being the state party chair has been not normal but it's a little bit more -- i'm mum much more public and the others, this is a new expense for them all around. >> the results of today's voting by the electoral college will be certified in a joint session of congress next month with vice president biden presiding and then the never trumpers have to snatch the bible right out of mr. trump's hand on inauguration day. >> the last thing left to them. thank you very much. joining me now fox news politics editor chris story wald. your thoughts on how this played out today? >> well, the lucy and the football phenomenon with people trying to use procedural end arounds to derail donald trump is something to behold. we'll have strategic voting and team up and block him in utah da da da and then the convention and we'll use procedural rules

and now this. which, by the way, serves to substantial weaken people's confidence in the institutions. you heard the woman who said we won the popular vote and up to the electoral college. that's not how it works. >> the irony of the railing that the left has done against the electoral college and the best thing that happened. number 68 i think it was in the federal papers, right? >> that's right. by the way, all federalists now for the next couple of hours. they're all federalists until the end of the day and then they'll say, well, never mind. we're pop lists again. >> yeah. where does it lead? you talked about the effort to delegitimatize the presidency of donald trump. we have krugman writing about this as if it's the end of the earth. your thought snls. >> look.

i take nothing away from the sincerely devastated hopes of those who believed the coverage saying we were in the state of fascist rule and by the way a thing on donald trump is there's a global thermonuclear war and all life would die. for some people this is real anguish and sincere. but outside of those folks, the's a lot of deep cynicism working here. john podesta to flip the college he knows better but what they're trying to do, democrats are trying to do is mar trump's presidency before he assumes it. there's always a little bit of that but whether you assault the institutions on which the republic stands then you have dangerous antics. >> wasn't all that long ago that hillary clinton horrified that donald trump said that, you know, if there's a state really close and it needs to be contested, that he wouldn't necessarily close that door.

she felt that that was, you know, sort of a mischarch of the justice and democracy of the american way and now she's not saying anything, chris. she hasn't stepped forward to say whoa, whoa, whoa. we had an election and this is done. >> trump got reproved, perhaps rightly so, for a lot of loose talk about the rigness of the vote. one thing to talk about a rigged system and then the vote being fixed, maybe dangerous and hillary clinton scored points on that. where's she? where's the voice from that side that comes out and says, people, respect the decision. respect the process. respect the institutions so that we can preserve them. if you were concerned about fascism in america, you would strengthen institutions, not weaken them. >> thank you so much as always. >> you bet. as we await the final tally of the votes, a look at why and how hillary clinton lost where it counted most. doug has that story for us tonight. doug? >> hi, martha. despite all of the blame directed at fbi director comey and wikileaks and at russia,

there's several factors in hillary clinton's loss that democrats may be unwilling to acknowledge. karl rove described it like a bubble of denial. >> we didn't lose the election because we lacked a compelling message. we didn't lose the election with a lousy candidate. we didn't lose the election because we were far too left wing. because we were status quo and a year of which people wanted change. >> exit polls bear out much of what rove says. 62% of voters felt that america seriously off on the wrong track. and while clinton won 89 rs pft black vote, it was short of the 93% in 2012 and hispanics. clinton outperformed trump by 38 points, she fell short of obama's 44-point edge. democratic strategist rosenberg acknowledges what few in hillary's inner circle may not. >> may have been admirable and articulate and thoughtful and always a sense not able to

motivate people the way her husband did and barack obama did. >> it might have been overcome with an aggressive campaign schedule in the latter weeks but trump did a third more rallies in the final weeks. >> we made fun of those trump rallies. right? 20,000 people. incredible passion, energy. clearly that was a mistake. >> the clinton campaign may have committed the classic mistake of battle. by focusing on traditional tv ads while trump tapping into twitter, local news coverage and centralized government dissatisfaction in the united states and the world. martha? >> he was on to something. doug, thank you very much. joining me on whether any of the reasons to blame for hillary clinton's electoral loss, one of president-elect trump's earliest support earls in congress, represent duffy and fox news contributor, radio host richard fowler. good to have you with us

tonight. you listen to all of this and you see the finger pointing going around in the clinton camp, some coming from bill clinton, other places, james comey is the reason that they lost. all sorts of things. so what do you make of it? do you think it's helpful for the party? >> i think the former president's wrong and i think podesta is wrong. we lost the election because we failed to have an authentic, convincing conversation with the american people. many of the issues that we as democrats care about. one of those being raising the minimum wage. throughout hillary clinton's campaign she changed the position a couple of times on that. here's the larger argument, right? she won the popular vote and donald trump will come in as president with a nation that is absolutely positive divided. and he's going to have to find a way to bring the nation back together and i think that is where, you know, we need to see if he can do it and what democrats have to do and as we have this sort of party chair battle going on is how to begin to have a conversation with the

american people, how we begin to have a conversation with working folks and figure out where they are and be the party that represents them which i think we didn't do in this election. >> shawn, it seems that one of the things that donald trump tapped into is that there were people that voted more president obama twice in previous elections and didn't like the way the policy affected them in their lives. they didn't think that it works for them anymore. >> that's right. so this is a change election, martha. people wanted a different pathway forward than the progressive liberal policies of barack obama and where i come from in wisconsin people concerned about skyrocketing health care costs and lackluster economy, not new jobs with not better wages. southern border, martha, where people coming in to our country without permission or consent and then isis that inspires people here in america to take up arms and kill innocent american citizens, you see now what's going on in turkey and in berlin. all of those things taken together made people come out and say we want a different

direction, a change. and for democrats, many of them are looking to say, you know what? this could have been an e-mail leak or a fault of the fbi. bill clinton came out recently saying that it's the fault of angry white voters. the truth is this is the fault of the democrat party that didn't have a message to resonate with americans in the rust belt where i'm from and across the middle income sphere of the country and if they don't have an honest conversation about what cost them the election they're going to be in the political desert for years to come. >> what do you think, richard? >> no. listen. there's some truth to that. where i disagree is let's take, for example, the state of maine and donald trump won the rural areas of the state of maine with a partly -- the delegates and electora divided and a lot of places where donald trump did win you saw very populist liberal ideals win out on the ballot which means the country is divided. people voted for donald trump to raise the minimum wage and where

the republican party faces an intersection r. they going to be a party to continue to stand up for corporations and stand up for tax loopholes for million narls and billionaires or talking to new voters acquired under donald trump? will they vote to raise the minimum wage. >> hey, richard. >> do they vote to expand health care coverage to folks struggling to make ends meet. >> i have to go. >> the largest companies in america give to the democrat party. there's a connection between big government and big business. and just here in wisconsin you had russ feingold giving the same message and ron johnson won with a huge margin, first time a republican senator won in a presidential cycle since 1980 so that message hasn't worked, richard. >> all right. we have the leave it there. >> you can talk all you want with big business but it's a democratic party -- >> i have to jump in. representative duffy, richard fowler, we're going to have that conversation for -- ongoing for months an months. thank you very much for those

gentlemen. meantime, president-elect pushing back after first lady obama suggested that the election results left america without any hope. sean spicer has been working with the trump transition team and he's next on that. plus, what happens when the trump family takes residence at the white house? political commentator koke roberts joins us live. when you have a cold, you just want powerful relief.

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terrorist attack there risen to 12. nearly 50 others hospitalized, some in very bad condition. it happened at a christmas market. the killers used a truck to ram through the crowd of shoppers and sightseers. many of the victims crushed to death. the driver of the truck is arrested and alleged accomplice died at the scene irks today's assassination of russia's before to turkey. he wanted to make sure aleppo, syria, would not be forgotten. he was later shot dead by police. that's a look at news this hour. i'm kelly wright. now back to "the kelly file." for all your headlines log on to foxnews.com. developing tonight, president trump pushing back after first lady obama told oprah winfrey the election results left america with no hope. listen. >> see, now we're feeling

whatnot having hope feels like. you know? hope is necessary. it's a necessary concept. and barack didn't just talk about hope because he was thought it was just a nice slogan to get votes. i mean, he and i and so many believe that if you -- what else do you have if you don't have hope? >> hmm. so that interview does not air until tonight. the news leaked on friday. prompting mr. trump to address the remarks in a weekend rally. here's that. >> michelle obama said yesterday that there's no hope. but i assume she was talking about the past, not the future. because, i'm telling you, we have tremendous hope and we have tremendous promise and tremendous potential. >> joining me now, sean spicer,

chief strategist an communications director for the republican national committee. sean, good to see you this evening. >> great to see you, mar this. >> so, your thoughts on -- when you watch michelle obama talking to oprah winfrey and she's shaking her head, so correct about this, no hope left and everybody's feeling it, what goes through your mind having seen what you saw through the course of the election? >> i think for a lot of folks that were all in on hillary clinton who didn't see this coming, i understand their disappointment frankly but i think that's part of the problem is they never fully appreciated that donald trump was tapping into something in america that folks in washington, d.c. and new york city, dig metropolitan areas didn't understand what was going on throughout america which is that people are frustrated with business as usual and what donald trump brings is not only hope but real change and an end of business as usual. you saw it with the carrier thing. he'll pick up the phone and get things done. and i think for a lot of people who are tied in to the, you

know, for lack of a better word, the business as usual and everybody playing their certain part in washington, watching somebody come in to shake up the place whether it's the veterans department, the va, or the irs, or the state department, or the department of defense, and start bringing real change, start respecting the taxpayers is a big, big eye opening experience. >> when you look at this elector situation that we have been watching today and the results won't be finally announced until january the 6th, your thoughts on the pushback from these electors and the idea that they need to change their mind and change the votes essentially of the people who were in their state? >> well, i think there's two things that are really interesting. one is prior to the election the democrats and pundits in the media that talked about making sure that we all stood hand to hand and the integrity of the

voting system and now that they have lost the election, they held recounts and in wisconsin donald trump picked up votes and now challenging the electors, intimidating them. it's unbelievable when they're doing and i'm appalled that there's so little o outrage goi. the intimidation on people who constitutionally there to cast the votes part of the process is unbelievable. so i'm first and foremost disgusted with the role that the democrats and folks on the left and a lot in hollywood done the undermine the electoral process and as i mentioned they failed in the recount in wisconsin with more votes picked up, washington state today, four hillary clinton electors switched vote, three to colin powell and one to a woman named faith spotted eagle. those four electoral votes for hillary clinton through the effort not only not pick them

up, lost them. it's almost weird how many times their efforts backfire. >> you know, i want to get your thoughts on donna brazile and pointed the finger basically at president obama and felt he abandoned them and should have been more forceful in investigating where these leaks were coming from. these leaks which revealed e-mails that were basically written by podesta and others that made them look bad and she felt it undermined the entire system. >> well, look. the president went out on friday and said, i told vladimir putin to, quote, knock it off and he did. and then donna brazile on another network this past sunday and said, no, in fact. the efforts kept coming all through the end of the election and i have to really -- i'm almost concerned that these folks can't figure out exactly what's going on when you have the chair of the democratic national committee contradicting what the president of the united states said. you have got josh earnest making outrageous claims and they're shooting in so many random

directions. i feel bad for them and not sure what level, what levstep they'rn on the program do get over the election and hope they get better and have a good christmas. >> i hope you have a good christmas, too. thank you very much. good the see you tonight. >> thank you, martha. coming up, an ugly fight on college campuses as a student group goes after some of the professors railing against mr. trump and then gets accused of mccarthyism. and cokie roberts next on what happens when the trumps become america's first family. i accept i'm not the hiker i was. i even accept i have a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. but no matter what path i take, i go for my best. so if there's something better than warfarin,

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developing tonight, new controversy regarding the press after president-elect trump hosts a select group of journalists at the florida resort for an off the record chat. a reporter in attendance posted a picture to twitter saying, quote, christmas at mar-a-lago. relaxed and chatty. hosts press for drinks. off record but pics okay. now the meeting is a target of criticism with a reporter for huffington post saying, quote, over past week, trump's mocked the press on thank you tour and canceled first news conference since july. here's how the reporters respond. i'm joined by cokie roberts, author of "ladies of liberty." the women who shaped our nation.

>> so nice to be with you. >> your thoughts on that, christmas photo at mar a lago? >> it's time for to have a press conference and that would be useful for everybody, for him included. but it's always a hard question about what you do about these off the record circumstances, particularly with someone you don't really know well. donald trump has not developed a relationship with the press. they haven't covered him for years on capitol hill or the governor's mansion or something like that so to have an opportunity to talk him is probably useful and then a problem when you can't report it. they're always tough calls. >> i think both are true. the press conference needs to happen but i understand what you're saying, building a rapport, background, getting to know each other can open doors down the road. cokie roberts said it's okay. the picture okay on twitter and the news conference must come and get ready that.

beautiful book. this one that just out is based on prior book and this one is geared towards young readers. and you talk about the fact that adams was the first, first lady born outside of the country. she was an american. her father was stationed in britain. but melania is a fascinating part of this story. what are your thoughts on her? >> she will do fine. she certainly was probably gobsmacked, right? wait, we won? >> she claims she always believed. she said if he runs he will win to her credit and i think people were startled and she may have been one of them. >> mrs. obama has been clear the door is open. she will be welcoming to her as mrs. bush was to mrs. obama and i had, martha, the huge privilege of twice having the opportunity to interview mrs. obama and mrs. bush together. and they really are and they -- they have forged a

relationship that i think will continue forever because there are lots of issues they're interested in, particularly bettering the lives of women and girls around the world. and i think they will stay very involved in that. but mrs. obama was very clear about how much help mrs. bush gave her and said the door is open for me to help -- because nobody noes what it's like until you're there particularly if you have not been fist lady of the state and that was the case for mrs. obama and certainly the case for mrs. trump so i think it's a wonderful, wonderful thing the way these women really do help each other. >> a special role. >> it is a special role. >> and it means a lot the way the family presented and i think it gives stability to the president. in terms of ivanka, it looks like she's going to play an unusual role and perhaps step in to the social aspects of some of this and policy issues, as well. kind of like a first lady in her role, as well.

>> she's warns us off from time to time about that but we'll see what role. she's clearly a very important adviser to her father and someone who he relies on and wants her nearby in a role and we did have in the book elizabeth monroe, the wife of president james monroe, their daughter played the first lady role in washington because mrs. monroe was not well and her name was eliza hay and nobody could stand her and ivanka might read up on eliza before taking that role because she was mean to the women of washington and they didn't take it well. >> they don't like that very much. >> no. >> great to have you here. >> wonderful to be with you. thanks so much. >> thank you so much. coming up here tonight, a college group decides to call out some anti-trump professors and the students end up accused of mccarthyism. we'll show you what's going on there. a professor and a member of the student group both here coming

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white supremacist and the vice president he has is one of the most anti-gay humans in this country. and so, we are in for a difficult time, but again, i do believe that we can get past that. our nation is divided. we have been assaulted. it's an act of terrorism. >> wow. you may remember that california college professor who comments about the vice president and vice president-elect went viral for all the wrong reasons. it tons out that shegs far from alone. a group has a website to keep a list of edge kay to recalls accused of advanced leftist

agenda in the classroom. now others are pushing back. dr. arthur cap lynn on the list and joins us with crystal clanton who works for the group that put the list together. first trace gallagher in the west coast newsroom with more. >> the professors watch list by turning point usa, a watchdog group saying the goal to educate students about free market values. the group says it's no secret that college professors are totally out of line and so to remedy that it's time to name names, publicly list nearly 200 professors who turning point usa accuses of advancing, quote, leftist propaganda in the classroom targeting students for viewpoints and for standing up for their conservative beliefs. for example, one professor made the list for having a student write jesus' name on a piece and paper then stomp on it. another held what he called an excoe sexual sextravaganza marrying the ocean.

an associate professor of history at kent state university in ohio made the list because turning point usa says he was investigated by the fbi for connections to isis. professor weno denies the allegation and responded by saying, quote, what we are seeing with this site is a kind of normalizing of prosecuting professors, shaming professors, defaming professors. others compare the list to mccarthyism saying its true goal to intimidate professors of speaking plainly in the classroom. turning point it's free speech and professors say what they want and the website can report what it wants. martha? >> so in a moment, speaking with one of the students in that group. but we want to start with a professor singled out by the list. dr. arthur cap lynn is with the global institute for public hoelt at nyu. welcome. good to have you here tonight. >> thank you for having me,

martha. >> how do you think you ended up on that list? >> well, i was tough on trump during the campaign. wrote a long time back maybe a year and a half ago that he was making me nervous about the talk of of people with disability, about mocking women. e was getting out of control and i said look, this is getting close to kind of hitlerite flag waving. there were a lot of alt-right groups coming out saying, yeah, go for it. i was tough on him, appropriately so. proud of it. i think he's toned it down a little bit. >> you said, all trump is missing are brown shirts. he has all of the rest. dismiss him as a buffoon or a joke at the nation's per riperi. you said shapes his policy on poverty and immigration. you said yourself it's dangerous to make hitler comparisons, to

compare anyone to someone who exterminated 6 million jews. why would you do that? >> because when you start using racism, which he was, and when you start basically pointing the finger at immigrants as dangers to the public health bringing in disease, you're starting to move down that road. it's not that the metaphor is ever inappropriate. but the real point is debate it. >> well that's exactly my point. but here's the problem on college campuses right now. if you stick up for donald trump on a college campus, you have ostracized. there are campuses that are very prestigious in this country where if you show support for donald trump, your professors will basically shout you out of the room and shout you down as become unworthy in that room >> i think it's completely wrong. in my class, you mimic back what i'm going the say, you're going to flunk. i want to hear arguments and

debate, engaging ideas. i'm not worries about donald trump being able to defend himself and i'm certainly not worried about making an argument. >> do you feel like at nyu there is a voice for people who have supportive of donald trump and that overall the educators that you work with are open to having an honest open debate in the classroom and that students who support donald trump will not be ostracized, is that true at nyu? >> certainly welcome in my classroom. i certainly can't speak for the others. but in any classroom i want to hear all points of view. a point of teaching is to teach students how to engage in a debate. >> exactly. >> make an argument. that's the whole point of an education. >> way want to hear their teacher say things like you have said in their tweets. they're not going to feel lake that's an open environment where they can come in and speak their mind. >> why not. sure it is. you can engage it just like you are, isn't that a little

extreme. wac wh what do you see a parallel. i've written a lot of books. >> yes, i see that. >> i know the signs and i think i can get into it. but i don't care in someone wants to disagree with it. >> you have someone who won the election quite handedly and when you said these sorts of things about him, you're also in essence saying themmant the people who support him as well. and they don't feel that that is a fair reflection on them, do you? >> not all, but sometimes. >> deplorables. >> the alt-right or the white power people, yeah, i see where they're coming from and i worry about it. at the same time let me come back again. the proper response is not to make up 1950s watch lists. it's to get into an argument, have a debate. what are we dealing with, students that are snowflakes. >> that's the problem, professor. i've heard this first hand from students at campuses.

if you so much as open your mouth that you supported donald trump, you are shouted down at the counsel table. i'm going to take you to your word that you're open to that kind of debate on your campus. >> i'll be there for that debate. >> that's why these people are being listed because people want them to be aware of the fact that this exists. thank you. i've got to give the other side a chance. also with us tonight, the national field director 0 tf conservative group that publishes the professor watch list. good to have you here tonight >> thank you for having me. >> you heard the professor, said he feels it is a mccarthyism ploy to put these people on a watch list and point the finger at him. why do you think he's wrong? >> the people who say these are mccarthy-era tactics, what i say is the students and parents paying for this deserve to see

what they're getting. we're not saying they need to be fired or have any reprimand, people need to know what's happening. it's an act of free speech for us to publish this. >> do you think freedom of speech is alive and well on college campuses today? >> absolutely not because of what you just talked about. if students speak out against their professors, they can be in trouble for that and they can get lower scores on the exams. >> i heard kids say, if i ever wrote that on a paper i would get a c or lower. >> we hear it all of the time >> education is by virtue of the word and the definition of it to hear both sides of the equation. i mean how do you think -- obviously you think by doing what you're doing is one of the steps to push back and get us back to a place where we have lively debate on your college campuses, right? >> exactly. and our organization, turning point usa, we want to show

students that we don't think the things that happen here are right. we're not saying what students should do about that, just that they deserve to know. >> thank you very much. good to have you here. >> thank you. >> quick break and we'll be right back. family road trip! fun! check engine. not fun! but, you've got hum. that's like driving with this guy. all you do is press this, and in plain english, "coolant", you'll know what's wrong. if you do need a mechanic, just press this. "thank you for calling hum." and if you really need help, help can find you, automatically, 24/7.

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