i'm jesse watters in for bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here, because we are definitely looking out for you. >> break tonight, new evidence that a european immigrant may have played a major role in the terror attack in berlin. and growing concerns that u.s. could be next. welcome to "the kelly file." i'm sandra smith in for megyn kelly. today authorities identifying a suspect in this week's apparent terror attack at a christmas market market as a tunisian immigrant in his 20s, already on immigration radar. even worse apparently supposed to be deported months ago. the paperwork hadn't gone through. at the same time, there are growing concerns tonight, that the u.s. could soon become a target. one man who personably interrogated 9/11 mastermind

shaykh mohammed is suggesting that not only cot u.s. be headed down the same path but that ksm was warning about this very kind of thing more than a decade ago. dr. james mitchell joins us in moments on the disturbing predecks he heard from ksm's mouth that he has since watched come to life. but first we go live to our london buro with t bureau with latest. kitty? >> there is an urgent manhunt under way. in berlin police raided two apartments but made no arrests. the man they are looking for is a 23-year-old tunisian described as violent and maybe armed. he arrived in germany last year, but his asylum application was reject and his deportation delayed because of missing paperwork. ed links to extremists. using six false names and criminal record in tunisia and

italy. authorities once had him under surveillance but that was stopped. now his id was found under the driver's seat of the truck which plowed into a busy christmas market in central berlin on monday evening. yesterday, isis claimed responsibility for that attack without naming the perpetrator and german authorities say they are still indefendant gativestie may behind this. 20 children killed and almost 50 injured. already there are questions about whether there were missed opportunities which could have prevented this tragedy. now concrete barriers are going up at berlin's many christmas markets. but some are asking why this wasn't up sooner after repeated warnings that these markets were vulnerable to attack. and many in germany also want to know why tonight, why he wasn't deported much faster given his

history. there is a $100,000 reward for any information leading to his arrest. sandra? >> kitty, thank you. in the month after 9/11 our next guest was approached by the cia and asked to help develop a program to get more information from terror suspects. including man who came to be known as the so-called mastermind of 9/11. khalid shaikh mohammed. not only was ksm interrogated, he said the predecks mohamed made are coming to pass in places like berlin. he said if we're not careful the u.s. could wined up heading down the same path. dr. james mitchell joins us now and he is also author of the new book "enhanced interrogation, inside the minds and motives of islamic terrorist, trying to destroy america." thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me on. >> what are your thoughts as you saw that attack play out in berlin? >> the first thing i thought of,

is this is the exact thing that khalid shaikh mohammed predicted. in early 2005 years after his last harsh interrogation, he and i were talking about what he saw as upcoming trend in terror attacks. and he had become fascinated by the amount of damage that was done along with mohammed, around the beltway, shooting people out of the trunks of cars. for him, what surprised him, is how much paralysis was involved, and how few deathets. few deaths from his perspective, right? and what he said is that our civil liberties and openness and willingness to be spresponsive other people's cultures were gift from his god. that they were weaknesses and flaws that they had -- that had put into his god, allah, had put into the american culture so we could be defeated. he said the easiest way to do

that, in spite of the fact al qaeda dreamed of big huge catastrophic attacks, that wasn't particularly practical. that easiest way to win the battle it take over the world with sharia law was through breeding nonmuslims. he said that like-minded jihadi brothers would immigrate to western democracies and to the united states. they would wrap themselves in our civil liberties for protection. support themselves in our welfare system while they spread their jihadi message. and then when the time was right, they would rise up and attack. >> and you go through a lot of this in your book and you said he went on to provide an example. of not the big crippling large scale catastrophic attacks that said that those were nice but not necessary, it was the low tech terror attack thas as thate talking about. what is an example he provided? >> i'm not going to say. because it was a very easy

sample. the point he was making though was that one or two people who were intent on causing as much carnage as they could, could use things that were readily available in our culture to wreak havoc and ratchet up the acceptance of sharia law by making it frightening for people to push back against their efforts to impose it. >> so dr. mitchell, we are seeing more attacks like this play out in europe. are we going to see something like that here? will we see more of those types of attacks play out in america? >> we may if we don't do something about our immigration policy. >> like what? what are you suggesting needs to be done based on what you know by talking to people like khalid shaikh mohammed? what do we need to do? >> i think we need to slow down our immigration from these countries that promote terrorism and generate these terrorists.

we know which countries they are. we need to do a better job of vetting those things. other thing we need do is be much more aggressive wh when it comes to following up on those people who travel to countries where there are terror camps, especially when they are not u.s. citizens and coming back. >> it is hard it hear that when we talk about this case in berlin. where now today we learn a 23-year-old tunisian. violent we're told. missing paperwork is the reason wasn't deported. ed links to terrorism. what happened? >> the missing paperwork was the last in that chain. what started that chain, really, was political correctness. and their unwillingness to get the person out of their country who had no business of being there because he didn't have the right paper work to prove who he was. if you suspect he is a terrorist, i would suggest that you don't wait for him to come up with his paperwork.

that you get him out of the country. and that's what i believe we should do. >> okay. >> so we do have a -- we have a new president coming in who says that political correctness has to go away. do you expect change from the incoming trump administration? >> i hope that's going to be change. becauser because here's the way political correctness works for a guy like khalid shaikh mohammed. it allows him to operate in our midst without being focussed. it allows them to operate within sharia law without us backing up on it. it allows us imposing on ourselves the blast femy laws of sharia because we cut back on things they find offensive. we change wait we dress. we don't have christmas parties any more. we don't say merry christmas to each other on the street. women have to wear head guild. they said up enclaves. out of these enclaves they try to impose sharia on those people

who come into them. we simply have to let that not happen. >> dr. james mitchell, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me on. >> also breaking tonight, president-elect donald trump making his first public remarks on that suspected terror attack in germany. mr. trump speaking to reporters outside of his home in florida. where he also received a presidential intelligence briefing from a team of high ranking military officers. peter ducy just filed this report from key largo. >> getting an update from top pentagon brass, mr. trump made a point to mention his high-ranking guest during rare but short press availability earlier in the day about the attack in berlin. his first on-camera comments about the mass murder. >>.

>> it anot clear when the last time mr. trump god a presidential daily briefing is but what is notable about today's is that mr. trump said recently he only thinks he needs one if an adviser on his team tells him that something in the intel changed so he gets a pdb when he needs one. he toild chris wallace earlier this month that he is a smart person and doesn't care to be told the same thing everyday. with the suggestion that some classified material gets stale. with that being said, on a conference call today, prince igs officials stressed the president-elect does have contact with his national security team once a or twice a day wherever they led. that is led by retired general michael flynn who mr. trump used to bring along to the briefings he used as a candidate to verify if the information he was being presented was legitimate. flynn was here at maralago for

today's presidenti briefing. sandra? >> thank you. karl rove and fox news political contributor, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what did you make of the president-elect's first public marks on this attack in germany. >> he was direct and explicit. this is an attack by islamic terrorist. it is refreshing to have a president-elect who is willing to call this for what it is. and to be straight forward. >> what do you make of the criticism that he should be attending the daily intelligence briefings. he said that he will go to one when he knows that something changed. he has people that go to them and advise him when something changed. he doesn't need to go to every single one. your thoughts on that? >> well the president gets to set the pace of how often he want to have these briefings. president bush when he came into office had the advantage that the cia director, george tenet,

he kept him on. so he began to receive briefings. he asked if those briefings could be delivered by cia directly. wanted it take the measure of the man, so to speak. and president bush used these daily briefings as way to ask questions, raise issues, tell the cia and then specifically and eventually intelligence community generally about things would he like to know more ab t about. so it wasn't just receiving information, it was questioning the information, evaluating information and more importantly giving guidance to the agencies about what it is he knew certain about what he knew about. there are lot of threats in the world that president-elect has to deal with to be a good opportunity in these briefings. today it was with the department of defense. with members of the u.s. military. normally the pdb is delivered by the cia on behalf of the broader intelligence committee. with you whoever it is, military or intelligence community, it is

useful for the president-elect in my opinion to be begin to use these sessions as a way to educate himself more deeply about the threats and to begin to share about the ability and the hidden event and what he wants to see him on. >> so would you like to see him attend more? you are putting a lot of weight on them. >> in the era we live, they can be helpful. he says he is hearing the same thing. if you hear the same thing, let briefs what you want to know what is going on. and president's advisers, flynn and others, could advise him about a range of the issues -- for example, the chinese and russians are both modernizing their nuclear weapons arsenals. this is a huge issue for the new president to deal with. our arsenal is aging and russian answers chinese are modernizing their arsenals which may give them a strategic advantage over

us. this is an issue he might want to raise. there are lots of things going on in the world. this is a chance for him to delve into it more and learn more and ask questioned and make judgments about the people he is dealing with. >> interesting to hear you say that. the reason i pressed you on that is because you were openly critical of president obama and his attendance at the daily briefings. >> sure. absolutely. >> 1225 days in office. he attended -- his attendance record is 44%. and in the first half of 2012 it was lower to 38%. you were critical of that. >> yes. absolutely. and here is the other thing. president obama would want these in writing and writing only. because he was a smart guy. you could read it on a secure ipad or secure -- read them in the oval office on a piece of paper. but he didn't need to ask. look, a lot of times the quality

of intelligence and what you take away is not what you receive but by reading the document, by raising questions, by asking questions. by challenging the assumptions of the analysts. by asking for more information. and incredibly valuable tool for the president of the united states to help him develop policy webs understand the world more broadly. president obama was the smartest guy in the room. it did not everyone is our country well to have that attitude when it came to intelligence services. it would be good for the new president to have a different attitude. >> 30 days to inauguration. can you believe it, karl rove? >> no, i can't. 30 dayes. >> it's happening. thank you, sir. thank you. >> thank you, sandra. >> still ahead on a busy night at "the kelly file," breaking news on the humanitarian crisis in syria. the u.s. left out key strategy meeting with world leaders working to find a resolution for the six-year war. two washington insiders, dana

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breaking tonight. new questions about america's

involvement about ending the war in syria. after three nations, russia, iran and turkey met in moscow without any representation from the united states or united nations. in noemmoments we will get reac from dana perino and former state department official david. first to john huddy who is in our nation's bureau with more. >> john kerry was not invited to the meeting you are talking about and both u.n. and european officials have been excluded to those talks to end the six-year syrian war as well. as talk continue, so does the evacuation of eastern aleppo and the timing is critical at this point, sandra. it's been snowing there. the temperatures continue to drop. the weather has taken a turn for the worst.

it's imperative to get those trapped out of there. people are waiting tuesday into wednesday waiting for convoy buss to leave. you can see they are packed in tl there and finally they started rolling out. fyi, it is early thursday morning here, after 4:00 a.m. the international community for red cross, icrc, said 25,000 people had been evacuated from the city since last week. that number we understand and the information we are getting is now more than 30,000 including several thousand rebel fighters. the group monitoring the situation on the ground. syrian observatory for human rights reports that ba shir al-assad's military has full control of alepa bpo but that'st confirmed by the u.n. or u.s. state department. we dough kn know that process i final stages barring no more hold-ups. it started and stopped because of political speeds because of ongoing violence but at this

point, it's nearing the end. while the battle for aleppo is ehe is not blly over, that doesn't mean the end of civil war as the city of aleppo lay in ruins. back to you. >> john huddy, thank you. >> joining me now, former state department official and former foreign policy adviser to the obama campaign. russia, iran, turkey, meet in moscow. united states isn't invited. what does that tell us? >> well, you know, the united states should not have been there. what we have here is sort of an axis of strong men needing to decide what will happen in syria. putin, authoritarian regime of iran, and now from turkey. their objectives in syria are very different from the u.s. russia trying to prop up the assad assad is a war criminal. we just saw great video of

aleppo. aleppo has been destroyed. so many people killed in aleppo. almost a half million civilians killed in syria overall and russia and iran have some culpability for this. it's frightening that now turkey may be cooperating with russia and iran. a ardewan softened his position. but the u.s. maintained its policy which is that assad has to go. that the smarter solution for syria. really the only solution for syria. assad must step down and then there has to be a political resolution in syria in order to stop the fighting. >> and david, have you thoughts on how this relationship will change when president trump gets into office? >> that's right. trump has praised russia for bombing syria. even the human rights organization observing the bombings and have information from the ground show that most of these bombings are killing civilians and in some cases

killing the u.s.-backed rebels who the u.s. is backing. trump said that is a positive thing. it is not positive and i fear that trump may align with other three that may align in moscow. russia, iran and turkey. that would be a devastating consequence for syria. >> dave wibd tha >> david, thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you. the former white house press secretary under george w. bush, first your reaction it david's thoughts? >> what we've had a lot of is sound. maybe we shouldn't have been invited to the meeting because we walk aid way from that responsibility in 2013 when president obama did not force the red line. i think the u.s. has to accept responsibility for that. president obama basically did in his press conference last week. i just picked up the economy

sift when i checked the mail and the cover putin's victory, west's failure and quote from it is particular blame falls on barack obama obama. if we had attended the meeting, what would we say? >> here is what we do know. john kirby said secretary of state john kerry had spoken with the foreign minister lavrov from turkey and foreign minister from turkey tp saying we are not excluded, we are not sidelined. david suggested we we shouldn't be there but they aren't owning the fact that we weren't. >> even if we were there, what would we say? now we are in a period of transition from one administration to the next. have you a situation where putin has been strengthened thp president obama allowed him into the middle east. he took full control. one of the things co-do is further discord in europe by helping fuel a migrant crisis that now we are doing and that's one of the things that led your

show. not necessarily that terrorists came from syria but this is causing havoc all around the world. causing angela merkel her presidency. if we are at the table, we have to have something more than we strongly condemn in the harshest possible terms and language. there has to be a political solution, but i don't know what we are offering. you say we kind of overstated the whole question and by whether or not the united states still matters -- >> in the middle east. >> as far as the future of the middle east. you did wund earn i pushed him for his thoughts as donald trump takes office. what we are going to see. donald trump hasn't exactly laid out his policy or the -- >> no -- >> the direction he is going. >> not yet. >> i think he is smart. one president at a time. when he put his team together, that's what transition is for. in less than 30 days he will take control of this and he will inherit in situation. one of the things he has talked

about is ripping up the iran deal. okay. if we're going to do that -- >> what happens then? >> iran is at the table there. and russia is at the table. so the united states never says anything more about crimea or ukraine? >> so what direction do you think that will do go? >> i don't think we know that yet and i i wouldn't speculate. i think they will be level-headed but also a change in direction. i really don't know where you turn because if -- i think if you are going to solve this problem, you solve it at its source. and at this point, the source has been eliminated. people have been gassed. they are suffocated. they are trying to flee. their buses are being lit on fire. we knew that assad's army and air force would use chemical weapons. that happened. we hit a red line. we didn't do anything about it. we could have destroyed the air force. i don't know why we think we deserve a seat at the table at this moment. even though i want one. >> exactly. >> i think our leverage is

diminished but our stature in the middle east will continue, it will be important and i think you will see a change in direction and hopefully a more positive way forward. >> 2016 is almost over, dana perino. >> i know. i can't say what i said at the break, can i? >> i was trying to get do you that. >> this year can -- you go take a rest. >> yeah. been an amazing year. thanks for joining us, honey. good to have you. >> president obama is ramping up moving detainees out of gaom ba. >> we are going washington, d.c. and we are going to drain the swamp. drain the swamp. we're going to drain the swamp. .

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breaking tonight, fox news confirming president obama's administration's last ditch effort to get more prisoners out of guantanamo bay and into other countries before leaving office next month. but more than half of the men still held there have not been cleared for release. >> sandra, two defense officials confirmed that the white house is planning to transfer up to 22 guantanamo detainees by the time president obama leaves office. he has been promising to close gitmo since 2008 will, since before he was president. but with less than a molest in office it is almost certain he will not be able to keep that promise. right now there are 59 detainees at gitmo and 27 of them are considered too danger us to

transfer. what we're talking about are the remaining 22 who have already been approved for transfer to other nations though none will be allowed to ernt the united states because congress will not allow it. listen to what white house spokesman josh earnest said last week. >> i wouldn't rule out additional transfers between now and january 20th p. >> so 40 prisoners at gitmo by the time mr. trump takes office. but mr. trump promised to fill it back up with quote unquote bad dudes. >> this morning i watched president obama talk about gitmo, guantanamo bay, which by the way, we are keeping open. which we are keeping open. and we will load it up with some bad dudes, believe me. we will load it up. >> compare that to what president obama said two weeks ago. he called gitmo a blot on our national honor which is why his administration is trying to transfer as many prisoners as possible before his successor steps foot in the white house. sandra? >> thank you.

joining me now with more, congressman peter king as a member of both the house intelligence and homeland security. and cia trained senior intelligence operative. thanks to you both for being here. tony, what do we know with the detainees still left there? that could possibly still be released? >> talking about mr. trump's comment about dbad dudes, these are bad dudes. as the reporter talked about, these folks are not cleared for release. this is an act of desperation and frankly an act which i believe goes against the very thing that president obama promised mr. trump to actually work for a reasonable transition of power. so there's nothing good here. and let's be honest about this, about one-third of all folks released so far have gone back on the battlefield. i suspect that you will see more like over 50% going back to battlefield. so this is a bad decision should president obama do this all around. >> this has long been his promise, congressman.

if he actually doesn't get this done, what does that say? >> first of all, a bad promise to make in the first place. i resent when he said this is aability on a flagsal honor. i've been to guantanamo. it is better than any basic training facility. tony shaver had much worse conditions in boot camp. >> no doubt. >> they have soccer. they have language classes, art classes, newspapers. everyone gets a koran. there are arrows pointing toward mecca. there is a medical personnel for every three detainees. i think it is wrong releasing them. a number that have been released, they go back to the battlefield. they are skilled, talented, unfortunately and mass murderers. this is really wrong. and those were not mass murderers, skilled committed terrorists. >> what do we know about those who have been released and returned to the battlefield? >> we know they are treated like rock stars.

as peter just said. they people survived this. president obama is completely wrong. what actually encourages terror has nothing to do with guantanamo. anything what has gone to guantanamo, it is like given a master's degree in given a terrorist. they are greeted as gods and they are the ones who actually are encouraged to go back, use what they learn. as peter said, they are watching us and learning from being there how to be better terrorist. so why on earth would we want to essentially give these guys five square meals a day, classes in basket weaving and give them better treatment than our own veterans. it does not make sense that we do this. these people are horrific. they will go back and kill people. i agree with mr. trump, we have to go back to grabbing people and putting them this there. we have no way of grabbing them, interrogating them and we are talking about terrorist who have done severe acts as we saw in

benghazi and other placees. we have to maintain the course here and do what is necessary. some people should be put to death because they killed americans in combat. i don't see why we keep them arrive. >> this is the latest cnn, orc poll released in march, 56% of americans pose his plan to shut down guantanamo compared to 40% who favor its close ush. >> barack obama committed from the start to apologizing to arab nations and muslim leaders across the world. he is committed to shutting down guantanamo. it is again like apologizing for america. he should not be apologizing to guantanamo. and he is intent on doing what he has to do. these are pledges he made. it is part of the home pro pro gram which i think weakened america. weakened us in the eyes of the world. these terrorists don't look at this as an act of good faith. they laugh at us for this. it is liked upon as weakness.

it is looked upon as too apologetic and losing our status in the world especially in the middle east. >> the law may get in the way of plans here by a the law the pentagon has to notify congress 30 days before a transfer from gitmo. so the deadline for any deal before obama's term in office, monday. >> they have broken the law before. we will see what happenes. >> we will see. >> thanks to both of you. >> merry christmas. >> merry christmas. new concerns among some supporters of president-elect trump that he is backing way from one of his biggest campaign pledges. mike huckabee here on president-elect trump's plan it drain the swamp in washington, d.c. and defending a decision to remove a muslim american passenger who claims to have gotten the boot for speaking another language. but was it just a hoax? we report, you decide, coming up. >> you guys are racists. i cannot believe my eyes. i cannot believe it.

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an expression i've gotten to like. >> that is then candidate donald trump repeating a line that became a rallying cry for supporters in closing days of his campaign. but now, top trump adviser newt gingrich suggesting that the president-elect may stop using that language. >> i'm told he now disclaims that. he says it was cute but he doesn't want to use it any more. >> he doesn't want to use, drain the swamp any more? >> i wrote what i thought was a cute tweet about what alligators are complaining. he is in a different role now and maybe he feels as president, as the next president of the united states, that he should be marginally more dig anified tha talking about alligators in swamps. >> trump supporter, and fox news contributor, governor, is he changing the mission or the message? >> i hope he isn't changing the mission, it would be a disaster if he did. there are some really good people working at federal, state and local level. by are grateful.

but there so sis stestystemic p especially in washington pch this is a reality that needs to happen. donald trump has the opportunity to do big and bold things in the first 100 days or maybe four years. he's got to do them. if he doesn't we're going to lose this country. and we're going to see a lot of people utterly cenacynical beca that's what he said would he do. no one from his organization told me to back off of that language. just rest assured, even if i'm asked to, i'm not. it needs to happen. it has it happen. we've got to drain the swamp. >> i could walk in a room during the election and someone would wl wl whisper, drain the swamp. it really worked with his supporters. does that send a message to his supporters? you do wonder that. you like it, governor. >> i just don't think that means

he isn't going to drain the swamp or tame the alligators. you don't tame will jalligators. the people with money toss bucks at the politicians feet and contributions and donation answers politicians dot dance and the money keeps coming and the rest of the country take it right in the middle of the teeth. it's got to stop. and the swamp really represents that ins lar community where the people in pow are in power because of the people who have the dough and the people with the dough know the folks in power will do whatever they want them to do. it has to stop. it has to. >> and regardless of whether or not he continues using that phrase or doesn't, we're not quite sure, his team has outlined these general restrictions on registered lobbyists in the trump administration. they have set out detailed guidelines on how they intend to drain the swamp. let's go now to backing off the

lock her up pledge. we know that was a main theme during hs campaign as well. now he says, i don't want to hurt the clintons. so you know you put these all together and that's what has people all of a sudden new york times can put together pieces and he is backing off his campaign promises? >> i think there are things he has to do. build that wall. lower tax answees and stimulate. put a ban on lobbying. lobbies have become the roach motel. people go in but never come out because there is so much money to be made there. if he can do those things, those are big and bold. if he can do that, he will be well on his way to drain the swamp. he has to get authority of people to fire those that don't do their jobs. one of the reasons the v.a. is in the mess its in is because no

one gets fired. two words donald trump needs to use from his television show "you're fired." he is taking his teem with that pick. i'll end on this note. nbc wall street journal poll shows his favorability rating has gone up. those that rate it positive, gone up to now 40% from 33% back in november. the negative rating actually has jumped up a lot though and a lot more people moved out of that neutral zone. regardless of how you look at it, people have formed an opinion on the president-elect a few days before he actually enters office. governor huckabee, always good to see you. you will want to stay tuned for this next segment, sir. thanks for being here tonight, governor huckabee. i'm talking about this. the controversial video. a popular muslim american prankster getting removed from an international flight. why some are questioning whether it's discrimination or a hoax. kevin jackson and richard fowler

are here on that.

developing tonight a popular musl muslim youtube star known for playing pranks was kicked off a flight this morning. the whole thing was caught on camera. here is some of it. >> we are being kicked out because we spoke a different language. this is 2016. 2016. look, delta air lines are kicking us out because we spoke a different language. are you serious? i'm about to cry right now. because we said a word in different language and six white people kick out bearded men. how could you be uncomfortable some. >> moments later, a delta releasing a statement that quote

upon landing the crew was debriefed and multiple passenger statements collected. based on the information collected it appear the customers removed sought to disrupt the cabin with provocative behavior including shouting. many are questioning the credibility of the account since he regularly posts videos pranks. just last week he posted a video of him smuggling himself on to a plane in a suitcase. richard fowler, news leaders council senior fellow and fox news contributor. kevin, you first. this is a hoax? what happened? >> it is tough to say whether it is a hoax or not. but the fact of the matter is, he is known for doing that. i think delta did the right thing. if the passengers were a little bit disturbed -- >> but so let's go back to -- so they are saying that they got kicked off the plane for speaking another language which happened to be arabic. delta is saying they collected

information from passengers who said they were provoking people on the plane. they were shouting on the plane. is it okay for delta to remove passengers that simply make other passengers uncomfortable? richard? >> it isn't. the "new york times" did a piece on this. i talked to one of the journalistes who wrote that piece before coming on air today. someone on the plane said they didn't see the entire event. but their question was, why weren't the other individuals involved removed from the plane only these two muslim individuals removed? which i think is larger question. when did it become illegal to speak arabic on the plane? >> but kevin -- why would -- >> sandra, hold on. let me just say what he want to say. because you cut me off the first time. first of all, it is not illegal to speak arabic in a plane but we live in a time when sometimes

the last words people hear in arabic are -- >> how often does that happen? >> so the yied thidea that you reverend or -- you talked to a reverend -- would you let me finish? i won't interrupt you. >> kevin, finish. >> there were passengers on the plane which were disrupted. the left is always very due plis no us to in this. if some republican makes a statement like i voted for trump they want to clear the classroom. but if something like this happens on a plane only 20 passengers, 20 passengers were disturbed by this act. delta, and this time, as it stands today, would probably not take this type of action unless people on the plane richard who were there, not us, decided this is something they wanted to take seriously. >> richard? >> so i have two points. point one is that the truth of the matter is this is not a left

or right issue. this is an american issue. and freedom of religion. southwest ejected a professor writing mathematical equations and a passengers was upset because she thought it was arabic and she was also removed. we have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. should never be obstructed by the airline, government or american people. >> some will defend the airlines will say they've got a tough job to do. >> they absolutely do. they absolutely do. but i'm sorry, someone speaking arabic on a plane shouldn't make you uncomfortable. that's your ignorance. >> i will let him have last word because i cut him off. >> richard is right on the one point about whoever saw the lady writing. he is not right on the other point where people feel uncomfortable and he doesn't know the circumstances. there are people that could have -- these guyes could have been -- >> merry christmas in arabic.

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