>> we thought we had to wait for the 20th of january for things to get rolling. >> looks like it's already rocking and rolling at capitol hill after a nice long break their back to work. good to have you with us today, everybody. we will see later. ♪ >> high activity on capitol hill today, as house republicans meet with a very high-profile visitor. have a great day, i'm jenna lee, i'm jon scott, one day after vice president-elect pentz issue to direct challenge to lawmakers, he says it's hide arctic to work. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live on capitol hill right now. mike. >> good morning to you, vice president-elect mike pence's first meeting here on capitol hill as with the house republican conference, it wrapped a short time ago, and he talked about essentially this new administration hitting the ground running, taking action swiftly. he is no stranger on

capitol hill after serving on the house of representatives for 12 years, so it was a re-acquaintance for a lot of his old colleagues here in congress, also meeting some new faces who are newly sworn into congress, and pence talked a short time ago about keeping promises to the american people, building a government, forming a cabinet, and getting moving on a new g.o.p. agenda. >> we are 16 days away from the end of business as usual in washington, d.c. today our message is very simple. working with the leadership here in the house and in the senate. we are going to be in the promise-keeping business. >> much of the focus of the first meeting of the day was, of course, repealing obamacare, something many of these republicans ran on during the 2016 campaign. speaker paul ryan told reporters just moments ago that essentially lawmakers agree with the president-elect's team that they will be careful and make sure the consumers are not hurt in the process. >> so much damage has artie been

done to the country. obamacare is a story of broken promise after a broken promise after broken promise, followed by failing program, higher premiums, higher deductibles, so we want to make sure that as we give relief to a people through obamacare, we do it in a transition that doesn't pull the rug out from anybody during the period. >> lawmakers are hoping to get repeal of obamacare to the new president's desk in short order, the senate will go first, then the house of representatives will vote. timing for a replacement of obamacare, we are told, is not yet set. >> jon: mike emanuel on capitol hill, thank you. >> jenna: in the meantime, president obama making a rare appearance on capitol hill this morning, huddling with democrats behind closed doors. in a last-ditch effort to defend his signature health care law. devon mccallie, covering that part of the story come alive on capitol hill as well. >> hi, jenna, the president of the united states arrived here at the visitor center of the auditorium probably at 9:30, didn't say anything to assembled

reporters as he passed by, other than to say, hello everybody, and happy new year. that meeting has been ongoing now for an hour and a half, a little over that, and the president has yet to emerge. but various members and senators have been emergency and filtering out, many of them indicated that they are going to fight the good fight against the republicans when it comes to repeal and replace of obamacare. elijah cummings came out here a little while ago, do we have that sound bite? i don't believe we have that. it is too quick to turn around. he's indicated that none of these democrats want to see democrats dying in the street. adding to the intrigue of all this is a tweet that donald trump sent out early this morning, in which he said and offered this morning, this advisement to republicans, "massive increases of obamacare will take place this year, and democrats are to blame for the mess. it will fall of its own weight. be careful exhalation point! ".

he added to that that the deductibles are so high that it's practically useless, don't let the charles schumer clowns out of this web. later, mike pence on the other side of the house tried to clarify a little bit of what he had to say. >> you read his tweet this morning. that he is admonished the congress to be careful. and i reiterated that before the republican conference today. look, we are talking about people's lives. we are talking about families. but we are also talking about a policy that has been a failure virtually since its inception. >> so we are also hearing from some of the other members who have come out here today about what the president is trying to message here, and it really boils down to messaging from the democrat side. senator ben carton of maryland told me just a little while ago that he told me all the good that the law does come all the protection it affords to the vulnerable in this country, and they are going to hone that message home. congressman tim ryan of ohio told me that they are going to

keep up the good fight, the president said he wants them to keep up the good fight, and tell their stories. he said it's easier to tell the stories once the benefits have been taken away, and to that point, the speaker the house paul ryan said shortly after that that republicans have no intention of pulling out the rug from underneath the vulnerable in this country prayed he says it's going to be an orderly transition. still waiting for the president to emerge from this hour and a half meeting. >> jenna: breaking news on that, of course back to capitol hill when that happens. thank you very much. >> jon: for more on this, let's bring in donte cheney, national political and data reported for "the wall street journal," and james homan, national political roof spot correspond it for "the washington post" and author of the 202 newsletter. james, start with you, nancy pelosi is famous for having said we have to pass us obamacare bill before we find out what is in it. republicans have the opposite problem. they need to put together a plan to replace it before they pass anything, right?

>> right, and this is 20% of our economy, john, as we just heard in all those sound bites. this isn't something where you can just flip a switch, there are a lot of things that are in place. there is different systems in place across different states, and one of the challenges for republicans is procedurally, it's actually very easy to repeal obamacare using bulk budget reconciliation, they have the boats to do that. but you don't right now had the votes to come up with the replacement, so the question is, will democrats end up winning democrat, academic working with them, do republicans need to work with democrats to negotiate something, first, of course, republicans need to agree about what it should look like, what are you going to keep over from obamacare. obviously a lot of the things in the law are very popular, some of the unpopular things are how you pay for it, and so you can get rid of some of the unpopular things and keep the popular things, but that can end up ballooning the deficit. a lot of republicans care very deeply about not running up the

debt. >> jon: it was obviously a huge campaign issue, and you and your team at "the wall street journal" did an interesting analysis of some of the numbers. there are 70 or 80 million people in counties who voted for president-elect to trump, but they are taking advantage of benefiting from obamacare. >> what we did is we used data from gallup over time to look at increases in health insurance coverage, and some of the places the biggest increases are places that voted for donald trump come a lot of rural counties across the midwest, the industrial midwest. the question is, look, a lot of these places that benefited doesn't necessarily mean they like everything they are getting. they don't like the mandate, but the idea that you are just going to drop it and they are not going to have anything, i don't think that's a very appealing option. so it just gets the idea of how comp located this is to unwind. this is a big, complicated mess. it is going to take a lot of time to get us out. >> jon: the fact that president obama, james, has come

to capitol hill, he doesn't do that very often. he is known for his reticence. and going to capitol hill to actually try to twist arms and get legislation passed that is important to him, the fact that he is here today says quite a bit. >> so when the health care law passed in 2010, obama and the white house and all of the president's aides used to get so angry at reporters when we describe the health care law as obamacare, they didn't wanted to be called obamacare, they wanted it to be the affordable care act or the health care law. then during his reelection campaign in 2012, obama embraced obamacare. he started calling it obamacare when he spoke about it, that is how the white house began referring to it, and what that represents, what that really means is, obama sees that his legacy is obamacare. that this law is defined by him, it is his biggest achievement by far of his eight years, and so if it does get repealed or rolled back or eviscerated, or whatever ends up happening, that

is obama's legacy on the line. and that is certainly why he is going to capitol hill, which you are right, he hates to do. he hates to sit through these hour and a half meetings and listen to a bunch of backbench members of congress talk to him and go on and on, but it reflects how important obama takes this. >> jon: the democrats are leaving that meeting that they've been holding with the president right now. there is the president shaking some hands in the capital building. it looks like young staffers, i would guess, of democratic officeholders on capitol hill. as i said, he doesn't go to capitol hill very often. roughly, as best as we can figure, he has done it to about 16 times during his eight years in office. and clearly he wants to cement his legacy, but for republicans, it's a little bit of a case of being careful what you wish for. they campaigned on repealing and replacing obamacare. they have been handed all of the

major levers of power in washington. and now they have to deliver without getting blamed for, well, without catching blame for some of the fallout that seems likely to result. >> yeah, and i think the repealing is not difficult, it's a replacing. i think if you've heard donald trump talk about this since he was elected, he was very careful to talk about, i want to make sure that people with pre-existing conditions are still covered and people can stay on their parent's health insurance. these are fine and these are wonderful things. but they cost money. and you've got to figure out how you keep all that stuff without having, look, the mandates were there to help pay for a lot of that stuff. if you pull the mandates out and keep all the other things, how do you pay for it? that is a complicated question. the republicans do have this on their plate now, they promised to fix this, whatever fixing this ultimately means. and, look, it's not even really going to be the next year, they are going to be dealing with

this for the next, even if they can put the process in motion to start the repeal, whatever that looks like, then there is the replaced part of it, which is going to take years. they are saying two or three years before they have a real plan. in terms of what we do in terms of covering congress in washington, and the white house, this is going to be fascinating, but it is really hard to see what direction it's going to go. >> jon: paul ryan, who famously headed the budget committee before he became speaker of the house, said they do intend to tread carefully, listen to this. >> the health care system has been ruined, dismantled, under obamacare. the answer here is not to ignore the problem. the answer here is not to ignore the problems that keeps some failed legacy. the answer's bold action. to solve problems. bring relief to americans. we will help americans crying out for relief from obamacare, and we will keep our promise to the people. >> jon: so james, the devil is in the details, they say they will keep their promises, the question is how.

>> and republicans don't want to own obamacare, they don't want to own the health care system. the point he made is very important, which is people are starting to have and experience the benefits of obamacare. when you get r of it, if you phase it out, you can vote to repeal obamacare and maybe say we are not going to take away this thing until 2019, or maybe even 2020. people aren't going to feel the effects of it. so it's actually possible people feel pretty good about the repeal of the health care law until 2019, when some things that they've gotten quite accustomed to over the decade in not having to pay for, all of a sudden they have to pay for, and that could end up leading to frustration. so it is an important point. this isn't something that is going to get self this month. we are going to be talking about obamacare in the 2018 election and the 2020 election as well. >> jon: the democrats rolled it out over a period of some years, and it looks like republicans will need that same to repeal it.

james and dante, thank you both. >> jenna: from capitol hill, in the meantime we have a fox news alert from the president-elect, the trump transition team just announcing jake place and as chairman of the sec, the nominee for that position, president-elect trump saying in a statement, "he is a highly talented experts on many aspects of financial and regulatory law and he will ensure our financial institutions can thrive and create jobs while playing by the rules at the same time. i just want to point out that he is right now a partner of a big, big law firm. that law firm specializes in things like mergers and acquisitions and also regulation bread as you know, president-elect trump says he wants to ease regulation, but also protection for consumers. there is a careful balance air, and we have a new nominee for the head of the sec. a health crisis for notorious mass murderer, with reports that '60s cult leader charles manson was transferred from state prison to a hospital. what we know about his condition, plus new raids on the

istanbul terror attack, as we get new information about the prime suspect as a manhunt for him continues.

>> jon: is the story of the day, republicans want to dismantle obamacare, democrats say no way, let's listen to the new senate majority, i'm sorry, senate minority leader, chuck schumer. >> the three pillars that support the american health care system. the affordable care act, medicare, and medicaid. the republican plan to cut health care wouldn't make america great again, it would make america sick again. and lead to chaos instead of affordable care. republicans would create chaos in the health care system because they're stuck. between a rock and a hard place. they have no idea what to put in place of the affordable care act. for years they talked about repeal, but for five years now

they have had nothing to put in its place. it's all starts with the aca. as we all know, the aca is a delicate balance. president-elect trump even expressed support for the three most popular parts of the law, pre-existing conditions, allowing young people to stay on their parents insurance until age 26, equal treatment for women. but republicans will soon learn that you can't keep the good parts of the aca and remove the rest of the law and still have it work. and that's what they are struggling with, and that's why they're not getting anywhere. what they would do would throw the entire insurance marketplace into chaos. repeal would increase costs for all americans at all income levels. it would blow a trillion dollar hole in the deficit. and now i see the president-elect was tweeting again this morning.

he said that republican shouldn't let the schumer clowns out of his web. well, i think republicans should stop clowning around with the peoples medicare, medicaid, and health care. the republicans are stuck. for years they promised every conservative group in america that they'll repeal the aca, "root and branch." until today they could make those extreme promises without suffering any consequences, because they knew democrats or president obama would ultimately block any rollbacks in aca. but now republicans in congress are, again, like the dog who fought the bus. they can't keep all the things that americans like about the aca and get rid of the rest without throwing the entire health care system, not just those on aca, but those with private insurance, into chaos. one of the things they'll hurt the most is rural hospitals,

right in their heart lands. the minute they enact this repeal, those will suffer dramatically in 11 state capitals, many in red states today, rural hospitals are protesting the republican actio action. so we are here today to warn the american people that the republican plan to cut medicare, medicaid, repeal the aca, will make america sick again. instead of working to further ensure affordable care for all americans, they seek to rip health care away from millions of americans, creating chaos. in our entire economy. now, as my colleagues will outline shortly, the republican plan will take millions off coverage, weatherby medicare, medicaid, or the affordable care act. it will cause premiums of many

people to skyrocket, 75 million who are covered by private insurance, their premiums will go up, too. it would harm hospitals in rural areas, and it would put insurance companies back in charge. we stand here united, united, we are a united caucus. we are two united caucuses, and we are united in our opposition to these republican attempts to make america sick again. now want to turn over the podium to leader pelosi. >> thank you very much, leader schumer, i associate myself with your remarks, you covered a lot of territory. i, too, want to join you in committing the president for his presentation this morning to us. it was one of confidence. it was one of value. that the affordable care act was about transformative in terms of what it meant in the lives of the american people, and that health care in our country as of right and not a privilege.

if there had been no other reason for us to pass the affordable care act, one compelling reason was cost. the cost to the individual, to families, to businesses small and corporate, and to the public sector was totally unsustainable. so we had three goals. one was to lower costs, another to approve benefits, and third to increase access. in all three of those arenas, the affordable care act has been a big success. when we talk about rolling back the affordable care act, we also talked about having an impact on medicare. the affordable care act prolong to the life, extended the solvency of medicare. it expanded medicaid. this is very important to america's families. as the former speaker on said all politics is local, in this case, all politics is personal.

so when leader schumer talks about the 75% of the people who get their benefits in the workplace, and that is so, they are affected by the affordable care act, in that the increase in premiums is the lowest it has been in the 50-some years that they have been tracking that. so it is contained cost. it has increased the benefits package, and as the leader said, in terms of no discrimination in terms of pre-existing conditions, no lifetime limits, no annual limit, you can stay on your parents premiums, being a woman is no longer a preview it pre-existing condition. so the package is better, the greater costs decreased. and the fact of many more people being insured by the 20 million people who are now insured who did not have access before. the most privileged person in america has better health

because everyone has health, everyone is in the loop. now, the republican say repeal and replace. the only thing that has going for it is alliteration. they have no replacement plan. they have no replacement plan because they just, they can't agree, they don't have the votes for a replacement plan. so to repeal and then delay is an act of cowardice. that means we don't really know what we're doing. and it recognizes, it recognizes that the consequences to them of just straight out repeal without some replacement. so we had a values debate on our hands. it's very personal in the lives of the american people. a friend of mine just told me his grandson was diagnosed with leukemia. that child will have a pre-existing condition for the rest of his life. repeal the affordable care act, that's a problem.

lifetime limits. that is a problem. if you are a senior -- you know medicaid, almost half of medicaid is about long-term health care. you want grandma living in the guest room? you repeal the affordable care act. this is part of an initiative that is part of the ryan budget. that's how it that says we are going to vouch her eyes medicare, we are going to block medicaid. so this has a tremendous assault on the health and health security and the financial security that goes with what the affordable care act has done for the american people. and so make america sick again? is that what the republicans want to do? i certainly hope not. hopefully we can work together to find a path to address some of the concerns they may have, but not to undermine this pillar of economic and health security for the american people.

it stands right there with social security, which they want to undermine, medicare and medicaid, which they want to undermine, and the affordable care act. so as the president asked us, are you ready? you have to fight in you. he didn't need to ask is that question, i don't think. with that i am pleased to yield to the leader in the fight, patty murray. another fighter. >> thank you so much, leader pelosi. you know, republicans have made all kinds of empty promises about how ripping apart the health care system with no plan to replace it somehow won't hurt anyone. but i'd like to focus on just one promise that the republicans made. that if they repeal the affordable care act, privatized medicare and cap medicaid, families are somehow going to be magically better off. republican leaders said exactly this.

in fact, three days after the election, president-elect trump even said he would deliver better health care for "much less money." well, president-elect trump might be able to make that kind of promise from his tower, but workers and families cannot take it to the bank. studies show that if republicans in congress rushed to dismantle our health care system, people across our country are going to pay more. premiums will skyrocket. prescription drug costs will increase. out-of-pocket costs will rise. in the republican plan to unravel the guaranteed benefits of medicare will leave seniors vulnerable when they can least afford it. all that will do is make america sick again. and it shouldn't have to be said that it's the wrong direction for our families and for our

economy. if republicans think creating chaos and causing chaos in our health care system, heightening economic uncertainty, and burdening our seniors and our families with higher health care costs somehow makes our country great again, stronger again, they've got another think coming. they should step back from the brink, stop putting politics ahead of families, health care, and agree to join together on efforts to make our health care system work better for our families instead of destroying it before it's too late. with that, i'm pleased to introduce -- >> jon: we have gotten the bulk of the complaints are from democrats in both the house and the senate, senator patty murray thereof washington, the washington state, along with house minority leader nancy pelosi and senate minority leader chuck schumer, talking about their opposition to

republican efforts to repeal and replace obamacare. of course they had a meeting with president obama himself that was still underway at this hour began. let's talk about it quickly with simon rosenberg, the president and founder and a former bill clinton campaign advisor, and former u.s. congressman, joe walsh, republican of illinois and noaa radio talk show host. simon, as i was listening to nancy pelosi talk about how great obamacare is, i was wondering why then did congress exempt themselves and members of their staff from having to live under it? >> i think that was actually a republican proposal, i don't think that was part of the original obamacare, and i do say, look, here is where we are. obamacare has not been perfect. there are things that have worked, there are things that have not worked as well as we wanted. and the question now is, of the republicans going to strip insurance from tens of millions of people and not replace it with anything else? are they going to stop the momentum we've had in getting costs down across the entire health care system?

and it's really up to them to explain to the american people about what has gone wrong and what they want to do better. it's their opportunity now, they are in charge, we are waiting to hear as we go forward. but we are going to defend what we've done because we don't think it's nearly a disaster as the republicans do. >> jon: former congressman walsh? >> it's a disaster, and i welcome the democrats trying to defend it. they don't need to do to explain to the american people what is wrong with obamacare, the american people know what is wrong with obamacare. the reality. the american people have lived with this reality for two or three years. premiums skyrocketing, high deductibles, doctors disappearing, the debt increasing, it goes on and on. it's indefensible, it is less popular now than it was when it was passed. bring that argument on, they can't defend it. >> jon: let's turn our attention, we kind of have gotten into the weeds on obamacare and of course the republican efforts to dismantle it, but we also want to talk

about something else going on right now. it has been another dramatic day on capitol hill. as vice president mike pence meets with republican lawmakers one day after house republicans abruptly change their plans to got the independent office of congressional ethics, this after a couple of tweets from president-elect donald trump criticizing that move. is this a sign of things to come? joe, you were there when this thing was up and running, what is it that republicans don't like about it, and why did they abandon their effort to gut the thing? >> look, it was easy when i was there as a rank and file republican, to oppose john boehner and/or to oppose paul ryan. we didn't fear ryan and we didn't fear john boehner. donald trump is a totally different beast, man. he is the new sheriff in town and his weapon of choice is the tweet, and i'm telling you what, rank and file republicans in

congress are scared of donald trump because, look, he sends out a tweet and millions of millions of americans then respond and get on these members. it is a dynamic they are not used to. >> jon: simon, paul ryan said that he opposed the efforts to gut that office, he said that there was a way to do it, but that it was doing it in a rush was not the way to go about it. >> yeah, look, it was a very awkward way for the republicans in the trump era to begin yesterday. trump doesn't want a big emphasis on ethics, and given his own ethical problems that he is still trying to work through in terms of his holdings in releasing his tax returns and so on, so his team sent a very mixed message. kellyanne conway went on two shows yesterday morning and said she applauded what the republicans are doing. he then pulled the rug out from underneath the republicans. to me, this is also a sign that this isn't a bunch of new people, and it's going to be a

bumpy ride for a few months. it will take a while for trump to get settled in and work with his peers. there was as much chaos yesterday is or was clarity, and i think that should also be a little bit worrisome for the republicans going forward. >> jon: but one of the complaints, i guess, republicans, joe, is that basically the prosecutors who run this office answer to nobody. they can undertake an investigation, kind of go after anybody they want, and nobody is really riding herd on them. >> there are reforms that are needed in the office, but i agree with simon. this was just a stupid political move for the house republicans to make. and in a weird way, donald trump gave them a bit of a lifeline with that tweet. look, drain the swamp, and what the republicans did the other night was the antithesis of draining the swamp. >> jon: simon, you've got to admit, donald trump has a bully pulpit and he is using it pretty he officely, even though he

yet. >> yeah, look, he's going to be a powerful president. there is no question he'soing to be taking up a lot of space. it's been what he's been doing since he got into this. but what is important for the republicans now is not going to be about tweets and about passing legislation, it is about whether or not things get better for everyday people while they are in power. and what they've got to stay focused on is making sure that the economy continues to improve, that our health care system is getting better, than americans are safe. if they can make things better for everyday people than they will be rewarded at the polls. if they can't, then democrats will have a shot in 2018, no doubt. >> jon: is this the kind of thing, joe, that makes the new republican leadership look bad, or is this something that the american people are not going to notice and not talk about in a week or two? >> i think they will forget about it by the end of this week. i think it's a lesson for house republican leadership, because they were blindsided by this. but look, trump is going to rule

with the tweet. he came out this morning and warned the republicans, look, the democrats own obamacare. he delivered that message through a tweet as well. republicans are going to have to get used to this. >> jon: former congressman joe walsh from the republican side, and rosenberg from the democratic side. gentlemen, thank you. >> jenna: happening now, of video going viral's showing a near tragedy in utah, you might have seen this, but you can see a little toddler right underneath that dresser, and we will sell you as much of the video as we can pretty see the 2-year-old struggling with a dresser that fell on his twin brother, he eventually pushes it just enough to free his sibling, and amazingly, the kids are okay. believe it or not, this all happened, and the parents didn't even know until they checked the monitor and the video later on, and then decided to post that video to help others. joining me are the parents.

the twins, by the way, are in the green room. this is a nice way to wash your kid watch your kid, isn't it? you can see them from afar, blowing some bubbles, we thought that would be a good way for them to hang out. tell us a little bit about how this all happen, how did you discover that this happened in your little boy's room? >> usually they are on and internal timeclock where they usually wake up at 7:45 or 8:00 on the dock, and i woke up at around 7:20, 8:20, and there was no sound, so i thought there were either still sleeping or something, so i went and checked on the phone and i saw the dresser had fallen and there was no children in sight. so i was frantic, i ran downstairs, i flung open the door, and they were just quietly playing in the corner. >> did they look guilty? >> they did look guilty, rocks came up to me and said, ouch, on his head, and i said yeah. >> jenna: so when did you replay the video and see that transpire? >> immediately i said, how did this happen? so i pulled up the video and

replayed it, and i saw it happen, and as it happened, my heart sunk. i was like, wow. for like a minute and a half, just in shock. and to see bodie push it off him at the very end, i was just like wow, that is just amazing. >> jenna: it's hard to watch even now, just seen the video it must be hard. you have seen it many times at this point, but as a mom, what was that like? >> it was terrifying and it was heartbreaking and a little bit embarrassing at first. and honestly, i don't watch it that much, because it just hurts and it makes me sad. >> jenna: as parents, we all know we are trying to do the best we can, but the dresser is something that you might overlook. so you had to make a real decision here about posting this video, and you had a reason why you decided to do it, so tell us a little bit about that. >> a couple of reasons, part of it was just a miracle that unfolded at the end, without that was something really special. i think more importantly, just to get the word out to parents.

we have had multiple people message a sense that said we didn't think it was going to go viral or anything, but people of said hey, we are doing this and other people said this has happened, we have had it fallen our kids, so we feel really lucky that it wasn't anything more than that. >> jenna: so you made some changes in your own home just to make sure this didn't happen again. >> what we did is we obviously bolted to the wall, we removed the handles on all of the drawers, and we took latches to the bottom jurors, so that they can't even pull those out and step in them. so it's completely solid. >> jenna: what did that take? it sound like a lot of work, some parents might think i will go do that, maybe i will wait till this weekend to do it, not knowing how urgent it is or how easy it is. >> it really isn't that long, you just, they usually come with a little tether to the wall, you find a stud, and i think you can do it through sheetrock if you don't have a stud in the wall.

but two screws, one to that and wanted a piece of furniture. >> jenna: i had no idea that appliances in the home and furniture in the home are one of the leading causes of death of toddlers. did you even realize that? >> no, and our home is very childproofed. people come over -- >> and they can't get into drawers. >> jenna: but tastes find that one thing, the one thing that you don't have completely taken care of, they have a zone. i want to go back to something that you said, ricky, you thought the video was very important to parents to learn about, but you also said something about the miracle at the end. what were you referring to there? >> how bodie, i mean he's two, just over two, how he looked at his brother, who is obviously stuck, and new to push it off him. that was unbelievable. >> jenna: and he is the one with the bubbles? >> yes, the bigger one. >> jenna: as the mom, how do you think this experience, what have you learned? i feel like moms learned so much

on a daily basis, but just thinking about it now? >> i have learned so many things, but i think the number one thing that i have learned is that you cannot childproof your house 100%. they are going to be curious, they're going to be active, and they're going to find that one thing to get. >> jenna: just to be clear, your son was totally okay. bruce, scratch, anything like that? >> completely good. >> jenna: my goodness, we're so glad. as a mom i appreciate the reminder very much, and it's great to see how cute the boys are. thank you very much to the parents. thank you so much. >> jon: and how strong they are. federal authorities are ramping up the manhunt for an escaped inmate. how investigators say james mireles got out of a rhode island prison, and where they think he could be right now. plus, a computer meltdown at customs causes chaos at airports on one of the busiest travel days of the year. how could this happen?

>> jon: right now, federal authorities are looking for an inmate who escaped from a rhode island prison. prison. around-the-clock manhunt underwear for a former army reservist, james morales. investigators say he climbed a best of all who before cutting through a fence and climbing through razor wire to escape on saturday. the 35-year-old is charged with stealing guns from an army reserve center, he also faces charges of child rate. anyone with information's on his whereabouts are asked to call the tip line under screen. >> jenna: president-elect donald trump set to receive roofing on russia's cyber meddling on friday. today, he said the dnc has only itself to blame for the email hacking, the president-elect tweeting this, "some but he hacked the dnc, but why did they not have hacking defense like the rnc, and why have they not responded to the terrible things they did and said by giving the questions to the debate to h? a total number standard, media as usual!"

>> jenna: one of the issues here is a very public back and forth, and public from the president-elect, pointing fingers at the intelligence community, saying i have information, i am looking for more information, we don't have all the information yet about russia. what do you make about just how foggy, quite frankly, this all seems right now? >> on the best day, global intelligence is a very murky swamp of incredible complexity. a true menace amount of information that is constantly changing. what the president-elect might consider doing is paddling around in that swamp for a little while, and figuring out what are the changes he needs to make to make the u.s. safer? otherwise, what he risks doing is sending a message to both our enemies and our allies that we are in disarray as to how we view the world and its strategic threats. >> jenna: donald trump is expressing -- it can be specific at times to department, but to

government overall. and that is where it some say that is reflected in a public distrust as to the government and those in power? what do we do about that, which may be a natural reaction? >> changing the way we do government, to day one we are going to do everything differently, and that is what he is doing. and he is sending tremendous messages that that is going to be his agenda with some of his cabinet picks already. and some of his comments about how congress has been moving. however, when it comes to national security and intelligence, that is something that i believe is such a daily, constant battle to get the right information in time to be proactive, if possible, or certainly not overreactive. and so when you come in and you break with the intelligence community right away, that sends, as i say, bad signals. and what i hope it is, i know some folks on his national security team, and they are very talented, very experienced. and i just hope that they are going to be able to give the president-elect a very sober and deliberate assessment as to what the assets and needs are.

>> jenna: we certainly know that there are things that happen publicly in things that happen behind closed doors, and we certainly know there are a lot of really good, hard-working people in the intelligence community that we are very grateful for. we are taking the story in the context of some other stories that we have seen. monday we had this huge computer meltdown in customs. and this is something, there is no hacking involved here, but it was a software update. and in many ways, you think wow, if that was a software update and that's what this caused, what would hacking go? you have some information for us. this has happened before, but we can't help but have concerns about when you see something like this, what does is it mear national security. >> monday night it was about a four hour glitch that happened with custom importers, and the impact was that they weren't able to use their computer systems to check passengers against national databases for security. this happened in october 14th o. that was a shorter glitch, but

nonetheless a glitch. this resulted in tremendous disruptions in the areas, the airports that were affected. so the flying public has no ability to understand how can you have this system up and place that is supposed to protect us, and then you have glitches from a software update? and this feeds into a whole sense of, is the mission, and the way the department of homeland security works, so massive and so huge, is it still the way we should approach our global into mystic security? big questions for the incoming congress arid with the president to is not going to have a lot of tolerance for systems he doesn't believe are working. >> jenna: when i ask you about solutions for that, i want to play little sound from a conversation we had yesterday. this brings our conversation together about our systems, whether they are working, and whether or not we trust, as well, those in power? >> what's more disturbing to me now, we see this in europe and the u.s., that we have multiple cases now or federal law enforcement authorities, intelligent services, have known

the jottings pose a threat, and they go on to commit an attack anyway. we saw that in paris last year, where known guys got through the system in brussels, we've also seen here in the u.s. where we have had several attacks by terrorists who are known to law enforcement officials beforehand, but because there is somebody threats and so many portfolios that have to be managed, it was very difficult to figure out which is going to pop off, and that is the problem. >> jenna: what a sobering point from tom. what do you think, if you could advise the president and his new team about ways to make us more secure, what would be on the top of your list? >> really it comes down to the local intelligence. we really focus on the nsa in dhs and cia, but when it really comes down to it, it is the police officer in the community, the community itself, that understands if you have so many who is self radicalized, what is going on. we need to have a better connection between what is going on at the local level and what is going on on the national and international level. at the same time, this is really

important to understand, that these things just don't happen overnight. they are the result of somebody who gets radicalized because they are hearing the messages and they are responding to it. we need to have a better counter-narrative, and we don't have one yet. the people getting into the isis ideology. and we also need to make sure that we continue to resource this, but not through bureaucracies, but rather through good, hard work, security, and police work. >> jenna: that is interesting, because one of the other things that tom told us is at that the would-be hijacker planes, the hijacker 9/11, was stopped from entering the country because somebody looked at him and said, not that guy. it wasn't because of a database, it was because of good, quite frankly, police work. always great to have your expertise on our program and we look forward to having you back as always. thank you. >> thank you. >> jon: well, the sentencing phase for convicted charleston church killer dillon roof is underway right now, alive update from the courthouse ahead. ...but that doesn't mean we're giving up.

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>> jon: let's check out what's ahead on "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. >> president obama and vice president-elect pence both on capitol hill today for dueling strategy sessions on the fate of obamacare, but why is president-elect trump warning the g.o.p. to proceed with caution? >> and mr. trump announcing his long-awaited first news conference since his election, should he have held one sooner? and how will the media treat him? all that, plus our #oneluckyguy from jesse watters jesse watters. >> got it, jesse. i hope we spell it right. see you. >> jon: we will be watching, see you then. >> jenna: breaking now, the

same jurors who convicted dylan roof for murder of killing nine people of in south carolina, are back in for court today to decide whether he spends his life in prison or is put to death for his crime. live from the courthouse in charleston, south carolina, jonathan? >> hi, jenna, since dylan roof is acting has its own attorney, many wanted to see what he is going to say in his opening statement, was he going to reference the crime, was he going to offer a justification, no. instead he simply explained to the jury, quite calmly, why he chose to represent himself. he said he made this decision to prevent his lawyers from introducing evidence about his mental health and urged jurors to ignore anything his defense team may have said about any thing in this topic in the past. he concluded, "there is nothing wrong with me psychologically." the prosecution reminded the jurors of his racist motivations for the shooting, which left nine parishioners dead. assistant u.s. attorney nathan williams had any of the murders

alone could warrant a death sentence, but "taken together, they justify the most significant penalty available to you." prosecutors are calling on family members of the victims now to describe the human toll the crime has taken. before the hearing, malcolm graham, who lost his sister, cynthia, in the shooting, shared his thoughts with us. >> my sister and eight others died simply because they were there, and that they were black. and that cannot stand. in a civilized society. and that has to be punished. >> prosecutors are expected to call on as many as 38 witnesses. dylann roof, on the other hand, said he will call no witnesses, offer no evidence, but he does plan to make a closing argument. >> jenna: we will watch for news from charleston, south carolina. thank you so much, big story, we will be right back with more "happening now" ." mom let me know she'd always be there for me. and she was.

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second tower, the story of the baggage handler locked in the belly of the plane. why he's up in a different city, does he have a legal case? >> jenna: big question to have that happen. the details ahead, "outnumbered" search right now. ♪ >> fox news letter, the showdown over obamacare's future, president obama with just 16 days left in office on capitol hill, huddling with democrats to discuss how to save his signature legislative achievement from the wrecking ball. all this as vice current president-elect mike pence also on the hill, meeting with republican leaders on their plans on obamacare once and for all. this is "outnumbered," i'm sandra smith, here today is harris faulkner, kennedy on fox business "kennedy" ," eboni williams, and #oneluckyguy, you know him from "the o'reilly factor" and a host of "watter's world," jesse watters