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by just a few inches of snow. and a another big blow to some major retailers, holiday sales slump now putting thousands of people out of work. it is all "happening now." ♪ >> jon: we begin with the first public hearing intervention meddling in the u.s. election. top intelligence officials telling the senate armed services committee that russia with its advanced cyber terrorism program is a major threat to america appear welcome to the second hour of "happening now." >> jenna: toughening, maybe not, we need more information. i am jenna lee, welcome to this hour. the group that has been testifying called the heck the most aggressive action interference by russia they have seen. they singled out wikileaks founder julian assange for publishing the stolen emails, all of this could lead to a showdown between the intelligence community and our next president who has been openly skeptical of his assessment that russia was indeed behind the hacking.

a lot to unpack here, chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is outside with more on what we should pay attention to. >> thank you, jenna, good morning. based on our reporting at fox news, we understand the intelligence community reports that the president saw was complete last night, we deliver it to be delivered to obama today and he expects to have a briefing from the senior leadership of the intelligence community. president-elect trump will have his briefing friday, and then there will be an unclassified report. it will not be as long or as detailed because they do not want to expose sources and methods, but that should be available monday. witnesses testified here on the hill that it will deal with the issue of who specifically was behind it as well as the motive. >> do you think in the report next week that you all will ascribe a motivation to vladimir putin for the election

attempt? >> we will ascribe a motivation. i would rather not bring up the report. >> with respect to the involvement of high-level russian authorities, it is shared by the organizations. >> yes. >> jenna: witnesses today consistently attack the credibility of the founder of wikileaks julian assange who tod fox news this week that his source for the emails from the dnc as well for the clinton campaign was not the russian government. but the witnesses testified that assange has a track record of putting american personnel at risk with previous leaks of classified cables. if there was one big take away at the hearing this morning, it is that we heard consistently from the witnesses that they have more confidence today than they did back in october that the election interference was directed by the highest level of the russian government.

but it is worth noting that vladimir putin, the russian president, was only mentioned once by name. and the director of national intelligence said, something of this political sensitivity, the interference of an american election, could only happen with putin's blessing. >> as i indicated in my statement, we stand actually more resolutely on the strength of that statement that we made on the seventh of october. >> in your 53 years of intelligence, ascertaining the motives, plans and contentions of foreign leaders, is that among the hardest tasks we ask intelligent services to do? >> it always has been. >> there were a couple other takeaways from the hearing this morning. one was very bipartisan, that the intelligence report is not meant to undermine the credibility of the election outcome, and dni clapper testified through the entire investigation, they never found any evidence that there was tampering with the voting itself

affecting the tally. they just found this campaign that was multifaceted that involved the emails as well as fake news in the intelligence community is not in a position to assess what the impact was on voters. >> jenna: can we go back to one other quick point that you made during our last hour on this network? talked a little bit about timing in the fact we are getting some of this information now when one of the big news stories over the last ten days or so has been the sanctions and consequences that president obama had levied on the russians. can you just walk us through why you had those questions about the timing of that? >> i've been covering this beat for the better part of 15 years, in one of the things i have learned is to always look at the timing of events, especially when you have an issue of this nature which is so politically sensitive, and whether these events are in effect a rule out or to use another term

choreographed. our reporting is the intelligence review into the election was concluded this week. i think that really begs the question, on what basis did the obama white house make the decision to levy sanctions against russia and expel 35 diplomats if this report was not complete? and remember last week, they made public this joint analysis which kind of, if you will, laid the groundwork or set the table for today's report, and we won't be able to see the unclassified version until monday. so it does have the feel of the rollout, and my question again, if the report was not concluded until this week, on what basis did they take such dramatic action last week? >> jenna: fascinating question, we look forward to your reporting on that. another way to follow a line of the story. thank you very much. >> jon: president-elect trump insists he is still a fan of u.s. intelligence services after promising on twitter to "shake

them up." let's bring in chris wallace, anchor of "fox news sunday." what is the most interesting thing you have gleaned from the lengthy hearing this morning? >> just that the intelligence trees from dni clapper down stand by their basic conclusion they stated back in october, in fact they feel more resolutely than they did at that time, which is that this is a russian effort to destabilize the election. the other thing that comes out, and you heard that in the question from the senator from arkansas, is this is all freighted with politics because one of the questions is whether or not the intelligence community is putting this information out to try to somehow delegitimize or to raise questions about donald trump's legitimacy as president, whether or not somehow there was a russian thumb on the scale, and then you also have the pushback

from mr. trump and also some of his top people, suggesting the intelligence community is politicizing this in an effort to legitimize them. it's an awful lot of politics involved, and one hopes that after the briefing tomorrow, we can get past the politics to the simple facts, where the russians involved were not? and even if they were, according to some people, to try to help trump, there is no indication that is why trump won. >> jon: director of national intelligence was quite resolute in defending the intelligence community. i want to play for our viewers a snippet of that right now. >> the intelligence community is not perfect. we are an organization of human beings, and we are prone sometimes to make errors. i don't think the intelligence community gets the credit it is due for what it doesn't day in and day out to keep the nation safe and secure and a number of

plots. just one example, terrorist plots that have been thwarted. >> jon: normally, these hearings with, i think there are 60 republicans and 14 democrat members of this committee, they get so partisan, but you did not hear a lot of partisanship in this one. why? >> i think to a large degree, people are trying to get down to the bottom line. what is going on here? for all of the questions that have been raised and all of the embracing by some people, which i find very curious, of julian assange, most people feel that the 17 intelligence agencies are far more credible and have much more of the u.s. interest at heart then julian assange, a man who is held up in the ecuadorian embassy in london for years now to avoid a rape charge in sweden and six years ago released

thousands of cables that endangered american officers and informants in afghanistan. this conversation, this debate has taken a very odd turn with the embrace of assange in the questioning of the intelligence community, and one hopes that we are trying to get past that to get to what are the real facts of this case? >> jon: donald trump has been accused of being too supportive or cozy with julian assange. he responded, as he often does, on twitter, thusly: "this dishonest media likes saying that i am in agreement with julian assange. wrong. i simply state what he states, it is for the people to make up their own minds as to the truth." "the media likes to make it look like i am against intelligence when in fact i am a big fan." "the wall street journal" has suggested that he is planning this big shakeup of the nation's intelligence agencies, but we understand from reporting our

own john roberts has been doing that "the wall street journal" may have overstated what trump's people are planning. >> i have a couple of responses to all of that. first of all, it is awfully hard for president-elect trump to blame the media for linking him to assange -- think of it. here's the president-elect of the united states quoting assange, saying it may have just been a 14-year-old who got this information, it was so easy to get because the democratic national committee's security measures were so weak. and as far as making an overhaul of the intelligence community as you say, john roberts has got very good sources, he is pushing back on that to say that "the wall street journal" story is overblown. there are some top people in the new trump administration, including national security advisor michael flynn who was basically forced out from his position at the head of the defense intelligence agency by

the head of national intelligence james clapper and also congress men mike pompeo, who will be the new cia director who have real questions about the intelligence community, whether it is too bloated, whether it needs to be streamlined, whether it is too political. maybe the story may have got some of its facts wrong but in terms of general direction, there is going to be a reform in the intelligence community, i would not be at all surprised to see that happen. >> jon: it's been a fascinating morning and more to come through out the day. chris wallace, thank you. be sure to tune into "fox news sunday" this weekend, chris sits down with the incoming white house chief of staff rents previous before donald trump is sworn in. also the chairman of the house intelligence committee. >> jenna: in other news, oil rig workers forced to jump into the gulf of mexico when the platform they were working on catches fire. we are going to talk to a coast guard captain about the rescue that happen.

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>> jenna: a fox news alert, four people rescued after diving into the gulf of mexico to escape an oil rig fire. the platform caught fire this morning 80 miles south of louisiana, we are getting our first look, first time we are seeing these pictures where the fire is now out, we are happy to report. no injuries reported at this time, and that is because of the good work of a coast guard peer lucky enough to talk to captain brian daley, chief of response for the u.s. coast guard eighth district. tell us a little bit about what happened this morning. >> good afternoon. i think you have most of the fact there right, early about 2:30 this morning, we got calls about a platform fire 70 miles south of grand isle, louisiana, where we are now. the four people onboard were safely evacuated, the fire is outcome of the other good part

is the source of oil is secure, so that is good news. the offshore supply vessel actually mary wyatt milano, first on the scene did the rescue of that scene us a shout out to them for the good work they did. >> jenna: that is lucky, 80 miles off the coast has to provide challenges for your team. >> it is a good distance out there, no matter if it is by helicopter or ship, we pulled our resources immediately but the fact there were already ships on scene made it a big difference in this case. there are actually five vessels that were eventually able to start fighting the fire and extinguish the fire. >> jenna: great news, and you said no oil leaking. our mind goes to the worst-case scenario, but when you hear it, this is the way the wires were reporting earlier this morning, four people had to jump off the platform. that is how it was described. is that accurate based on what you know, and you know the cause of the fire? >> my understanding is the four

people entered the raft. the they jump off the platform to get into the raft or how they actually got in, we are not sure, we are trying to determine that. but because of the fire is still under investigation. the beery of safe fire enforcement is the lead agency that will go out to assess what is happening. our position right now as we are still concerned for the safety of the people that need to go out and do the inspection on the facility to make sure the structure is sound and take a look of that. that is where we are right now. >> jenna: i did not even think about that. obviously, you have to go back to figure out what is happening there, in that presents its own set of challenges. from this point on, what is next? >> what is next is to still put water on the fire to make sure it is not re-flash, then we will make an assessment whether or not the structure is safe to go on. then we will actually do the inspection. also in the meantime, we are assessing how much actual oil did get into the water, and if

any of it is recoverable so we have resources to recover the oil. >> jenna: worst-case scenario, the greatest fear in the middle of a large body of water, there is a fire, what do you do? great to know the coast guard is there. captain brian daly, great to have you on that program, look forward to having you back. thank you very much. >> jon: good news there. right now, major american retailers are feeling the holiday blues after some weak earnings reports. macy's is now planning to close 68 of its stores and cut some 10,000 jobs is that company streamlines and restructures its management team. sears also announcing a new wave of historic closures. 108 kmart locations and 42 sears locations will close in the coming months, about 10% of the company's base. investigators are still trying to determine what caused a new york city train crashed at the height of rush hour. critics slammed mayor bill de blasio over the incident, we will tell you why.

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>> jenna: a fox news alert, what the president-elect tweets, we listen to and we want to tell you about it. heard a lot from president-elect donald trump on the auto industry this week. it is continuing today, moments ago, he tweeted this out. "toyota say we will build a new plant and baja, mexico to build

roller cars pure no way! the u.s. will pay big border tax." this is a message from the president-elect to toyota. we had the news that ford is going to be canceling a factory in mexico and start a new factory in michigan, bringing 700 jobs there. we will see if there any repercussions for toyota. so far, we have not heard a response, but we will bring it to you if we do. jon? >> our nation has no policy and thus no strategy for cyber deterrents. this appearance of weakness has been provocative to our adversaries who have attacked us again and again with growing severity. unless we demonstrate that the cost of attacking the united states outweighs their perceived benefit, these cyber attacks will only grow. >> if the government and the private sector have done a lot to improve cybersecurity, our collective security is better, but it is still not good enough.

our federal partners are stepping up their efforts for the private sector by sherry come but what they have remains uneven. >> the biggest frustration to me is speed, speed, speed. we have to get faster and be more agile. we cannot be bound by history and tradition here, so to speak. we have to be willing to look at alternatives. >> jon: those are top intelligence officials in u.s. senators giving their thoughts on how to prevent foreign cyber attacks during the hearing held this morning on capitol hill. as we await the release of a final report on the investigation into russian interference in the u.s. presidential election. let's talk about it with general jack keane, retired four-star general, chairman of the institute for the study of war and a fox news military analyst. i know you were able to listen to most of that hearing. when senator john mccain says we have no policy to deter this kind of thing, is he right? >> he is absolutely right. i participated in some earlier testimony before that committee,

and i know the committee had received some testimony from their chairman of the marine corps that said sieber was the number one threat, and what is the biggest problem associated as we don't have any policy or strategy. i think that is a major issue for us. secondly, clearly what the russians have done as an extra nearly bold move on their part. they've done a lot of this in eastern europe, reported to have had their hands in the boat in the united kingdom as well, but the third thing is what senator mccain is really talking about. we don't have a credible deterrent for them to not do this. and you can see the pattern of this comet jon because our conventional military determent has been eroding under this administration for years, so much to the point that we do not believe we have the superiority that we used to have the sense that another adversary would not challenge us. that makes us vulnerable. here we are cybersecurity, we

are very vulnerable because we don't do anything about it. >> jon: it becomes a david and goliath situation if a state like north korea can effectively hack into some of our systems as they did with sony pictures, it just shows the balance of power really favors the little guy in a situation like this if we are not going to be prepared to respond. >> if we don't respond, but i don't think it favors the little guy at all. what the little guy should be afraid of -- the last thing i ever want to do is even by accident hack into a u.s. capability because their response is going to be so formidable that it will be the last thing i do. in other words, we can respond, not in kind, but in fact, considerably stronger than anything they have done to us. and we have to get the policies lined up, we have to get the lawyers lined up. i think the lawyers are in this far too much in a similar way they are in our air campaigns in

terms of rules of engagement, and they have a tendency to delay the decision-making process. >> >> jon: after the hearing ended this morning, senator mccain said he considers what the russians did, or what the russians are blamed for doing come hacking into the democratic national committee and john podesta's emails for example, he called it an act of war. is it? >> i think it pretty much is. here is the reason: no one would dispute they attacked our critical infrastructure as defined as our finance and banking system, transportation system, entire utility grid infrastructure. if any of that was attacked, we would consider that an act of war. while this is not defined yet as critical infrastructure, undermining the political process in the united states comes awfully close to it. an act of war, yes. an active espionage, that is what the chinese do regularly against the united states, that is also an act of war. we do espionage acts against the

chinese in russians as well pay they are all acts of war, does not mean you go to war after that but you do respond in kind. >> jon: fascinating to see whether the new administration develops a policy to try to prevent more of this. >> they better. >> jon: while bed , while side, think you'd general jack keane. >> jenna: a winter storm with heavy snow is attacking part of the country, our meteorologist has news on where is it heading. plus a sickening time streamed live on facebook, charges expected soon for four suspects in a horrifying assault on a special-needs special needs teenager. why some say the attack rises to the level of a hate crime. >> i really cannot say what is in the mind of four individuals that would do something as sickening as this, who knows? >> he was traumatized surely, for good. like i said, it took most of the night for him to calm down. bes.

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>> jenna: fox news alert, outrage across the country over a very disturbing crime in chicago as it streams live on facebook. a group of young african-americans can be seen attacking a white special-needs teen while reportedly yelling antiwhite, anti-trump messages. police say four suspects will be charged, and we have news on that. we just learned they are being charged with a hate crime here joining us now, fox news anchor and attorney. greg, let me tell our viewers

that we finally have the names and birth dates of those that were arrested and are now being charged, i will read the charges for they include aggravated kidnapping, hate crime, aggravated unlawful restraint, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and robbery. i'm looking through the ages right now, three of these individuals are 18, going to be 19, and one is in their 20s. that is important, to know the age for a few different reasons we will get into. based on the charges we are just learning, what are the consequences for those charges potentially? >> they are pretty serious, especially the kidnapping charge which is the top charge. these suspects are heard yelling obscenities about white people at one point, the victim is ordered to say "i love black people" appear that is very incriminating evidence that the torture of this man was driven by racial hatred and thus a hate crime. it is also a hate crime to attack somebody because of their

disability, either physical or mental. there are two kinds of hate crimes that are charged here, each carrying a few years if it is the first offense. these other offenses obviously add onto that. >> jenna: i could be served concurrently if, in fact, they are convicted. we are going to seat steps from that point. what about that facebook part of this? it was streamed on facebook. we have seen it, our viewers have seen some of it, very disturbing. how does that play into the case? >> that is the most incriminating evidence of all of the things, the tape speaks for itself. you hear them uttering these obscenities based on race. you also see them committing the kinds of crimes for which they are now charged. they include assault, aggravated assault, meaning a handicapped person, assault with a deadly weapon, unlawful restraint, kidnapping. i'm surprised they did not charge mob action, but they also have charged the hate crime now.

every punch, every kick, everything that is seen on that videotape on facebook could constitute a separate assault and battery. in all, i counted roughly two dozen crimes that could be charged. so the judge, upon a conviction if there is a conviction, could decide, i am not going to allow these crimes and sentences to run concurrently, simultaneously, that is. this is so heinous and atrocious and cruel that i am going to make the punishment run consecutive terms. so you could add it all up, and it could be 20 years behind bars, but don't count on it. state judges, especially those in chicago, are incredibly lenient, which is precisely why the feds may decide to step in and charge criminal civil rights violations, in the federal charges are quite serious.

>> jenna: would that be because it is being charged as a hate crime because of the racial undertones in the video? >> exactly. arguably, there could be double jeopardy here because hate crimes under state law would mirror the hate crimes under federal law, so you have to see what happens when the trial occurs in state court. >> jenna: let me ask a quick question because this is in the news, the chicago police commander held a news conference about this, they were able to catch them very quickly. they held a news conference and in it he says, they, meaning the people who are arrested, young adults who make stupid decisions, that certainly will be part of whether we seek a hate crime to determine whether this is sincere or just stupid ranting and raving. obviously, they have determined it to be a hate crime, i read the ages, they are adults, but they are young adults. you saw the sentiment coming from the police commander. how do you think age plays into it? >> i don't think it should play into it at all.

this police commander was trying to minimize the criminality that appears very clearly on that facebook videotape. as if he were saying, this is sort of callow misspent youth, it is not pre-this is one of the most depraved acts i've seen and a long time here the criminal justice system needs to deal with this seriously and impartially. you cannot say, i was young and stupid. there is a lot more going on here. this is really heinous and cruel. >> jenna: we have the charges, felonies being charged in the particular case, we continue to follow it. greg, thank you. >> jon: a winter blast on the move right now after hitting parts of colorado and montana with heavy snow. it could spell big trouble for the southeast where even a small amount of snow can paralyze communities. chief meteorologist rick live in the fox weather center. it is headed south? >> actually, a lot of places are

going to get a lot of snow over the next few days. a lot of the west, in fact, is going to get clobbered with snow, but the southeast is more dramatic when you get it in the southeast, they are not used to dealing with a p think about what we saw in 2014 were atlanta and raleigh both were crippled by storms that brought the snow and the people trapped for up to 24 hours, now we have another storm system moving, see the cold air in place over the northern plains, really cold air. this cold air eventually is going to move in for almost the entire lower 48, see the snow we have across the central part of the country, that is going to continue but the blue here are temperatures that are very cold, and that is going to move all the way down to the northern half of florida, pretty much the entire country. then the snow was what we are watching in the short-term. snow across the west, great news for the ski resorts and colorado, california, nevada, utah, new mexico. but then used, take a look at this, the storm we are watching across the southeast come a lot

of areas, may be birmingham, atlanta, 1-3 inches, maybe a little bit more across parts of eastern north carolina in the far eastern part of virginia. we are talking, though, about a system coming friday night into saturday for them, which means hopefully not as many people on the road. one little system moving through tonight across the northeast, maybe an inch of snow or so when you wake up tomorrow morning, watch for that. this is the storm across the southeast, primarily rain, late in the night, turns into a little bit of snow here, but keep in mind this is friday night into saturday, so not everybody out on the roads like a couple years ago. this is one where hopefully everyone can stay home and enjoy the snow outside, not be on the roads. >> jon: get some hot chocolate. thank you. >> jenna: brand-new information on the terrace behind the deadly berlin christmas market attack. we now learn what authorities knew about him and why they even had him on a list of potentially violent islamic extremists. in the battle lines are now

drawn in the war of obamacare. what both sides are saying, and whether the president-elect can work through a compromise.

>> jon: a bombing and shoot out in western turkey leaves two people dead including a police officer. the car bomb exploded near the courthouse and two suspects were killed in a gunfight with police. turkey is still reeling from the deadly new year's eve attack on a nightclub and instant bull. authorities now say they are closing in on the prime suspect in that attack. meantime, german investigators say the man who attacked the christmas market in berlin used at least 14 different identities. the 24-year-old tunisian drove a truck into a crowded market on december 19th, killing 12 people. he was killed four days later in a shoot-out with italian police. >> are legislator on obamacare, repealing and replacing and transitioning, the legislating for shirt this year, what date

this gets phased in on is something we do not now know. >> republicans will soon learn that you cannot keep the good parts of the aca and remove the rest of the law and still have it work. >> jenna: issa house speaker paul ryan giving a bit of a timeline for when we might see changes to the healthcare system as battle lines are drawn between democrats and republicans. this as president-elect trump tweets out among other things "it is time for republicans and democrats to get together to come up with a health care plan that really works much less expensive and far better." we will bring in the author of the book "saving america" and former chief counsel for the house judiciary committee and former staff director for the house and government reform committee. i would like to rely on your expertise on the inner workings of congress. what do you think of the timeline paul ryan mapped out, practically, and what do you think about it politically? the legislature will be there, transition may take longer. >> it is not really a

parliamentary question. if they want to put a bill on the floor today, they can do that and passed a bill right away. in terms of when they want to transition when it takes effect is up to republicans. it seems politically, the more important part of the question, donald trump is hanging the house republicans out to draw much like he did with the watchdog agency earlier this week, you cannot repeal obamacare until you come up with a replacement. the problem is you cannot keep the popular things and obamacare like pre-existing conditions, ban on lifetime limits, out-of-pocket expenditures, the limits on those, all of the things that polls show the american people really like, you cannot keep those things unless you also keep the mandate because if you get rid of the mandate, you keep things like pre-existing conditions, you push everything where the healthcare market implodes. >> jenna: there is lots to unpack there. first, napolitano wrote a great column, aunt and part of it, it caught my attention, it was

about the healthcare law appear one of the things he pointed out as the supreme court ruled it is illegal to require americans to buy health insurance. that is the main argument for healthcare, that we have to go out and buy healthcare, the government can do that. just because it is illegal, is a good policy, and you republicans keep that when it was philosophically the big debate over health care at very beginning? >> jon: the other thing the supreme court said is chief justice roberts was very clear that elections have repercussions. they actually have results, they were very clear in that regard. i think the important thing is there has been way too much discussion about the tactics and far less focus on the outcome. let's remember what obamacare was designed to do, one, get healthcare insurance for every american. 30 million americans don't have health insurance today. two, it was supposed to reduce costs. americans are seeing their

healthcare costs go up on the average family 21% over the course of that time that obamacare has been in place. we all know this one, if you like your doctor, you can keep that doctor, obviously not true. >> jenna: let me go to you a second, i want to ask mark about this paired what you said at the beginning, a lot of people without health insurance. you think republicans get behind the mandate, is that part of the change we seek because they have to like julian said? >> i don't think you are going to see republicans move toward a mandate. i think what you saw happen in november you will see moving in multiple ways to the way the government provides service today is the opportunity to participate. we should all want to have the opportunity to participate, but i don't think you see republicans move toward a mandate of services. >> jenna: julian, your thoughts? >> let me correct mark on a couple of facts. nine out of 10 americans now have healthcare, we are on our way to 10 out of 10. 20 million americans got

healthcare because of obamacare. in terms of cost, before obamacare, premiums were increasing 12% a year, i beg your pardon, but after obamacare, premiums were cut down to an increase of 7% a year. so it shaved 5% off. >> jenna: hold on, you guys are not going to agree. this is the trouble with debates, we are flooded with numbers than the people who like healthcare like it, the people that don't like it don't like it. the question is, is there room for compromise here? everyone knows what everyone thinks about it. does that exist? >> absolutely, but the problem for the republicans now as they are the dog that caught the car, and they are keeping whatever their planets, they are keeping it secret. they don't have the confidence to put it out in front of the public for scrutiny. and if the republicans want to come up with a plan that guarantees universal access, guarantees protections on pre-existing conditions, bans on lifetime expenditures, bans on

out-of-pocket expenses, limits on out-of-pocket expenses, democrats will participate in that. the problem that mark does not acknowledge is the only way you get things like pre-existing conditions, if you have everybody participating in the healthcare pool which is why you need the mandate. there is no way around that. every healthcare expert agrees that is essentially the only way you get that to go in an efficient way. >> jenna: you're supposed to have insurance, is this the same thing like having a car? >> i don't think you see that being the case at all. i think the point where he is ultimately headed that i agree with is the republicans will move toward that, but we need to focus on the outcome, not the tactics to be able to get there. julian wants to run down the long list of all the things that are important to democrats, that is fine except as the judge said, elections have repercussions. as a result, we will see a list to make healthcare actually affordable for people, not increasing, so forget the numbers, but certainly not increasing for people the way

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>> we have a good one in the final 30. a llama on the lamb. he was spotted criss-crossing the highway in athens, georgia.

>> jenna: he was captured behind the burger joint. and no word on where he came from, hopefully safe and sound. >> thank you for joining us. >> mellisa: p senator john mccain calling russian hacking a act of war. they are grilling the top intel officials on whether russian hackers tried to interfere with the national election. they are standing by those claim and adding it was part of a wider russian cyber effort. john mccain well left the hearing more sure than ever that