♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." for people in chicago face felony hate crime charges, in addition too many charges come after they allegedly kidnapped and tortured a mentally disabled man and broadcasted on facebook. video shows the attackers, who were black, yelling f donald trump and f white people. he joins us for an update. greg. what can you tell us? >> the superintendent today called at this video reprehensible and prosecutors called it a crime, filing those charges against the four suspect, they included height crime, kidnapping, battery, as

well as unlawful imprisonment, and some additional charges against the two sisters, as well as one of the suspects, who was a friend. you saw the video happen on tuesday. we know that is when the torture happen. at actually began on saturday when the victim got together with one of the suspects, front of his, jordan hill, for a sleep over for new year's. they ended up in chicago at the apartment of those two sisters and police say it all started when there was a friendly fight that escalated, things got ugly, then, , all of a sudden, the two sisters got mad about what had happen. police say that the suspects had all been drinking and smoking marijuana. that is when they bound and tortured that 18-year-old victi victim, who is mentally challenged. the torturing went on for four to five hours, police said. the notaries ferment created so much of a commotion that neighbors knocked on the door and said, knock it off or we will call police. we are told the two sisters then went downstairs, broke open the

door of the neighbor's apartmen apartment, and threatens them. police were then called. during that time, that is when the victim was able to escape his attackers. a police officer, who happen to pull up and respond to the complaint, saw the victim, who was outside, walking. he was dressed in a tank top inside out and backwards, wearing shorts and walking in sandals, looking battered and bloodied. the officer went up to the victim and tried to talk to him. found he was very discombobulated. that is when police actually called an ambulance and got him taken in. the four suspects were then taken into custody, just a short time ago, the victim's family, a representative spoke briefly saying, that they have seen the video, found it very, very disturbing, as everyone else ha has. they said the victim himself is doing okay, but beyond that, they didn't have a whole lot to say. the four suspects will be an bond cart to face these charges tomorrow, and we could learn

more about what happened from prosecutors. back to you in new york. >> tucker: craig well for us in chicago. thanks a lot. before we get to the next guest, let's listen to part of that tape again, in case you hadn't heard it. here it is. [bleep] donald trump. it >> tucker: so, is this revolting attack eight sign that anti-troop hysteria is feeling something larger? is the national media downplaying its existence? we are joined now by richard fowler. thank you for joining us. >> good to be here, tucker. >> it was interesting at the new york time, this week and hate feature, had no mention of the story. why would that be? >> i don't know. i think that this story -- >> tucker: why did "the washington post." >> i will say this. i think this is a crime. i'm happy that the new cook county prosecutor charged these people with this. it is wrong.

i think what we need to focus on, whether it is black or white or or straight, making sure that we have hate crime laws like this throughout the country, that protect people like this individual that was brutalized by those four maniacs. to be when i don't believe in hate crimes laws. i don't think we should prosecute people based on their thoughts. >> you don't think is a hate crime? >> tucker: i think hate is involved, i'm merely saying it is a separate category. i'm also opposed to lying and downplaying something that is obvious. it is clear that this man's race and political position played a role. >> absolutely. >> tucker: that is not all clear from the accounts that were prevalent today. the associated press, and the first account, didn't measure tl angles. i wonder why that was. >> i don't know. what i can say here, the charges came down from the prosecutor, the final arbiter, there is no arbiter of the case.

the prosecutor is. eventually, the jury, the four individuals appears, they said it was a hate crime. it was fueled by race, it was fueled by ideology, and it's wrong. and that is why we need a stronger hate crimes in this country to prevent instances like this, and once i go the opposite direction. >> tucker: so we can have a government divining our thoughts? >> here is the point i am makin. when a sensational crime like this occurs, the press is very quick, people on television are very quick, instantaneously, they draw massive conclusions, extrapolate, say, this is a national trend. when that lunatic shot up the black church, dylann roof, we had a national conversation on white racism. i'm not against that conversation. if you will extrapolate from something like that, why the instantaneous downplaying of this as four crazy people in an isolated disabled man -- >> i don't think anyone is isolating this. if you look at this reporting we have seen today, if you look at

people reporting the facts, which is, this individual was charged with a hate crime, this prosecutor, based upon the standards for a hate crime in the state of illinois, thought that these four individuals were in violation of a hate crime. just like dylann roof, according to the statues in south carolina, were in violation of the height hate c. >> tucker: we also draw conclusions from events, that is part of our job here, simone sanders said this, this is not a hate crime. hate crimes are because of a person's racial ethnicity, religion, gender, disability. it isn't your political leanings because someone doesn't like your political leanings. if you had to don clement saying, i don't get is evil. i think these are young people, and they had bad home training. >> last night on "the kelly fire," i called it a hate crime. it is a hate crime, it is wrong, it is violent, it is disgusting. what they should cause us to do, tucker, should cause all of americans, whether you are black, white, hispanic, jewish, muslim, to say we are moving

into a new presidency, how do we come to the table. this is not america, right? this is not america. how do we come together and have a conversation about making our country better, how do we have a conversation about looking beyond race, looking beyond gender, looking beyond -- >> tucker: i am totally -- look. you walk into a certain neighborhood, you are the wrong color, you are liable to get in trouble. okay? that is just true. i know it firsthand. you can't say that out loud and most venues because it doesn't doesn't -- >> that is part of the problem. you need to have these conversations. when i walk in -- when i go to friendship heights, and the d.c. area, or any high-end boutique, i'm followed around by a salesclerk because i happen to be african-american, it is the same as you getting in trouble and a black neighborhood. we have to have these conversations to break the stigma down. when it happens to become i go to the manager and say, your clerk is following me, i'm here to make a purchase, this is wrong, we need to work on fixing it. >> tucker: i think this sums

up perfectly the attitude from the left. if the attackers have been right in the victim had been black, the incident would have conjured america's ugly history. there is -- that might be right on the merits, but it is an obvious attempt to downplay the significance of this. what's at stake, as you know, is victim status. the idea that a trump supporter might be a victim of a crime based on political beliefs. okay, but nobody wants to give up. >> the prosecutor was very clear -- >> tucker: why are all these liberals trying to say that this is just one isolated example? >> here is the problem. i would argue that a hate crime is a hate crime. it doesn't have a political tilt to it. dylann roof, we don't blame republicans for dylann roof. no. we should in plain democrats. >> tucker: are you joking? >> i never blamed --

dylann roof is a rage maniac -- >> tucker: were you in this country when that happened? by the way, let me say, i agree with what you are saying. i disagree with your and willingness to see what has been going on. there is a mass shooting that has a prescribed media narrative, all of a sudden -- >> let's be very clear. after the dylann roof case, there was a campaign to take down the confederate flag, which was the right thing to do. and the governor, republican governor -- >> tucker: they banned "the dukes of hazard" from television. as if every southerner -- >> it has -- that's two different conversations. the dylann roof incident brought to life -- >> tucker: they did that after dylann roof. >> i'm making a point. after the dylann roof incident was brought to life, and south carolina, the confederate flag flies over the capital. both democrats and or publicans in south carolina agreed it was a bad idea. waiving the confederate flag --

>> tucker: look, if demagoguery -- in my mind, they banned the dukes of hazard -- >> we are having a conversation about four individuals who committed a hate crime of the confederate flag. you can't lump the whole party and with it. that is the argument i am making. it's wrong, it's disgusting, shouldn't happen. it is not time to -- i am being absolutely honest. >> tucker: we are out of time. >> good to see you. >> tucker: thank you. >> congratulations. >> tucker: u.s. intelligence reiterated their belief that the russian government actively meddled in the u.s. election. here are some highlights from today's testimony. ♪ >> every american should be alarmed by russia's attack to our nation. >> the hacking was only one part of it. the aftermath, an unprecedented attack on our democracy.

>> it also declared the classical propaganda. >> ladies and gentlemen, it is time now, putin is up to no good, he better be stopped. >> tucker: fox news chief intelligence correspondence catherine herridge is covering the story at the capitol tonight. she joins us from there. what is going on? >> thank you, tucker. the bottom line is that the witnesses testified that there are more confident today than they were back in october that this was russian interference, that it came from the highest level of the government. but no one blamed vladimir putin by name and no one said that this was done to help donald trump win and to make sure that hillary clinton lost. they did testify that it was a multifaceted campaign that involved the theft of the emails from the dnc and the clinton campaign, as well as disinformation, as well as fake news. but they also testified that

they never found any evidence that the voting on the ballots was changed in any way. they really couldn't speak to the impact of public opinion and whether that influenced how they voted at the end of today. now, there are several reports here, we have this classified her part that went to the president today. this will also be brief to congress. then, the president-elect will get his briefing tomorrow, and then, early next week, we believe monday, based on our reporting, there will be an unclassified report that's available to the public. the witnesses testified today that they will try and be very forward leaning and providing a lot of detail about who exactly was pulling the strings on this thing. and whether motivation and intent was, tucker. >> tucker: what is the significance, if any, catherine, the timing here? >> i have been covering this area for more than a decade. it's always important to look at the timing of events. you know, from working in this town come up when there is a big rollout of information, this tes

to be almost choreographed to the party that is in power. we asked the white house today if the report was just vinyl this week. how was it that the administration imposed sanctions in russia last week and then, expelled 35 russian diplomats if they didn't have the final reports. what they said is that they wanted a forceful response and they didn't need more information to do that. it begs the question, what does a forceful response mean when the hacking is well-documented and it began over a year ago, tucker? >> tucker: that is the question right there. catherine, thanks a lot. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: for more on russia's hacking, we have newt gingrich. thanks for being here. what is the truth, in your view, the bottom of this? to what extent did the russians interfere in the selection? >> no more than the united states interferes all over the world to the u.s. information agency. i mean, i don't see --

apparently, i have not seen the report, apparently, the report says they didn't change any votes, i don't understand what the word hacking means in this context. it apparently didn't change any votes in any precinct in america. the american people voted without interference. the russians may have engaged in disinformation. whether that is more disinformation than "the new york times" routinely engages in, i have no idea. and i don't take it -- this is a country where "al jazeera" is a really evolved by cable, for pete's sake. >> tucker: you heard a number of different intelligence officials express outrage at president-elect trump was in effect integrating what they doo or casting aspersions on their honesty. >> i am happy to catch aspersions. i believe that we have clear evidence over and over that there are people very high in the intelligence community who have been politically redesigning what they say and

who are trying to respond to what they thought the obama administration wanted. we have a clear case in the central command where 50 different analysts signed a letter, a very unusual -- saying that their commanding general had been pressuring them to understate the power of isis to fight the white house's definition. now, that is a clear, and inspector general investigation right now. they were basically saying, their implication was, the director of national intelligence was putting pressure on the central command to produce reports that fit the white houses world. >> tucker: that would be james clapper. >> that would be james clapper, he is a good friend, i thought very highly of him over the years, the fact is, those 50 analysts argue that the pressure was on to issue reports that understated the danger of isis. >> tucker: am i misremembering this? this is james clapper who said today, the director of national intelligence, who said, our assessment is now even more resolute that russia interfered

in this election. a politically charged thing to say. as of the same james clapper who assured the country that the nsa was not spying on americans? was he lying when he said that? >> that is the whole challenge you got. we probably need a national dialogue. i'm not sure we need a national debate. we need a national dialogue about how the modern world is going to work. sony gets hacked, presumably by north korea, although, we don't totally know that. the fact is, we don't have a very good grip on how this stuff works. and who does what. you have people who have falsifying operations. so, maybe it was the russians, maybe it was the chinese pretending to be the russians. we don't understand all of this stuff. i am very suspicious that this has been going on -- what does it say to you by the american intelligent system, this has been going on for over a year, they don't really discover it until trump wins? i mean why weren't they saying it six or eight or nine months ago? >> tucker: having been around

this a lot, do you think, actually, the community doesn't know? is that possible? >> i think -- let me say up front. i am very sympathetic to how hard it is to know things that are secret. i went through and reviewed the weapons of mass destruction report that was the basis of the iraq campaign under bush. and i think it was honestly their press assessment. it was an assessment with the russians, the italians, the british, the french, they all agreed with. it turned out to be wrong. the nature of intelligence is, you often don't know things, even if you think you know them. and we overvalue it. in that sense. it's important, but you shouldn't say that it is definitive. cyber behavior, cyber warfare is a new world. none of us have a very good grip on ant. the national security agency is probably the best in the world. but they are the best in a way that is shrinking because the

zones of -- are getting bigger. the number of players are getting bigger. there are more and more small groups of criminal hackers who are astonishingly successful, they steal hundreds of millions of dollars a year. in this environment, what i find it suspicious, if you well, i don't want to overstate it, the president of the united states, barack obama, is in essence telling us, that in the last year of his administration, after he had seven years to fix this, something may have been going on for 12 months that they are not totally sure of. but now, and the last weeks, they have decided to issue a report, which is filled with uncertainty, while they are saying they are certain. >> tucker: posing as absolute certainty. in that way, it is a classic washington summation, i would say. thanks a lot for joining us. >> good to see you. ♪ >> tucker: time now for "twitterstorm," our nightly

forecast of social media's most powerful weather patterns. a simple question of about a pickup truck is sending shock waves through the press. all started when the street happen. the top three best-selling vehicles in america are pickups. questions to reporters, do you personally know someone who owns one, a pickup, that is? the response was sensitive. "washington post" national correspondence said this, because i'm from alaska, do any friends on one in d.c. or new york? no because they are unnecessary here. missing the point of the question. no. [laughs] how many journalists know someone who owns a ferret, going the non sequitur route. mother jones engagement editor ben dreyfus said this is a very silly question, to which come of the top three population centers are liberal strongholds, do you personally know someone there? burn. and finally, "new york times" science writer covers climate change and said this, that might be the dumbest question i have heard today. of course i do. that is not a word to drive a

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>> tucker: american newspapers have been hurtling toward oblivion for decades, unfortunately. one very brave 19-year-old in arkansas thinks now is the time to enter the newspaper business. despite having a professional experience in journalism or may be because of it, he is brave enough to bar purchase his hometown paper. his name is hayden tell taylore bought the "central delta argus-sun," which he plans to make great again. mr. taylor joins us now. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: you bought the paper, let me say, i am impressed. most people your age are running towards snapchat but you are going towards newsprint.

how did you afford a newspaper at the age of 19? >> as of right now, we have been working on a handshake. it has been very unofficial. it has been a big cobble work, we have been able to get a bite, and has been well within what i can afford. >> tucker: good for you. why would you want to do this? >> well, a paper, especially in eastern arkansas, i didn't know this until i had actually gotten involved with the "central delta argus-sun" ," it is a badge of pride for a community and i think that it is a worthwhile endeavor to try to keep it alive for as long as it can be. >> tucker: i once worked in a newspaper in arkansas, a great paper. identify with the desire. there is nobody else in your age

cohort, not one person who you went to high school were, who worked at a newspaper, or read a newspaper, for that matter. [laughs] what is your plan to get this paper alive? >> i am very aware that the national trend has been the downfall of newspapers. but in my particular area, there is still a demand for a paper. as long as there is a demand, i am willing to invest in being the supplier. it's just been, it's been a little bit of struggle getting off the ground. as of now, things are going very smoothly. >> tucker: now that you are the william randolph hearst of the "central delta argus-sun," you got to misuse your power, do you want to do something crazy with the paper every once in a while? write editorials against people you don't like? give better views to movies you didn't care for? what are you doing to make the paper yours? >> everybody is pretty well aware, i am 19. no journalistic experience. i am not going to bite off more than i can chew. but i am trying to do right now, his key people on staff i do

know exactly what they are doing. i have kept the staff from the old "central delta argus-sun," they have proven to be fantastic. i just this transition. but i don't really -- until i'm experienced and until it is all set in stone and everything is moving along smoothly, i'd rather not write my own editorial column. i'd rather cover the news and allow people to write an editorial column because i am 19. my input, we can live without it. >> tucker: boy, you are a self-aware young man. i read one account who said it was amazing you are not running a paper because you only took one journalism class. i thought that is so much better. you haven't been destroyed by taking journalism classes. you are still a normal person. >> [laughs] well, i don't know about that entirely. but i am doing my best to learn this as fast as i can. i really think this is trial by fire. i am ready to move and learn.

>> tucker: last question. are you going to endorse candidates? >> endorse who? >> tucker: endorse candidates when they run? all these politicians will glad hand you and try to convince you. will you sit with them and listen to their pages? >> if they want to run an ad, i will run an ad. otherwise, no special treatment. i'd rather not get involved for fear of conflict of interest. >> tucker: that is the spirit. nor journalism classes and you are beating a lot of people at "the washington post." hayden, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: coming up next, donald trump called chuck schumer the head clown of the democrats. we will tell you without a fight is about. coming up. is there an elk in your bed?

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for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. >> tucker: the capitol hill cataclysm over obamacare has just begun. the combatants were donald trump and senate minority leader chuck schumer. instead of working to fix it, they do the typical political

thing and blame for the fact is, obamacare was a lie from the beginning. keep a doctor, keep your plan. it is time for republicans and democrats to get together and come up with a health care plan that works. well, senator schumer shot back with this. instead of calling names, president-elect should roll up his sleeves and call show us a replacement plan that would cover the 20 million americans that gain coverage. >> tucker: well, former mexico governor bill richardson, going just now. thank you for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. congratulations on your new show. >> tucker: thank you very much much. you are not a trump voter fraud you got to concede, trump does have a point here. he has no rolee in creating our passing obamacare. a purely democratic operation. is not working very well. part of it are find the parts of it are a disaster. and chuck schumer's attempt to pretend that it is donald trump's fault is a little much, no?

>> no. look, what schumer is saying, what democrats are saying, but 20 million americans that might lose coverage, okay, republicans, you want to repeal it, fine, but what is your alternative? so far, and the last seven years, i have not seen a republican alternative. what is going to happen to the pre-existing condition that -- will that be eliminated? what about those kids between 21 and 26 years old? will they be covered? will costs go down? i mean, there is no beef there on the republican side. i think what schumer is asking legitimately is, okay, you want to repeal it? what is your alternative? what are you proposing? >> tucker: i think we both know that pre-existing conditions and the ability to keep your kids on until late middle age or whatever are both very popular and they will stay. the costs have risen, it's not a question of bringing it down come as a question of stopping the rise. the real question is, what democrats come if they were in charge, keep it the way it is?

's at the alternative schumer is suggesting, it is doing fine, let's keep it? is anybody doing that? >> i think what president obama said, what democrats are looking at, yeah, there is no question, especially during the election. not, some of the premiums went up. how can we keep the costs down? i think that is a legitimate issue. there are issues relating to states and medicaid. you know, a lot of states, it was a lot of republican governors, including the one here in new mexico, chose to continue using medicaid. the big problem, tucker, and the interim period between the repeal and a new law which some republicans it said will take six months, what is the alternative? what will happen to all of these people? 20 million that are under obamacare? it is not just poor people. it is the middle class. it is anglos, hispanics, you were talking in your previous segment, it should cover everybody. >> tucker: i don't think it is

a racial question. 20000000 out of a country of 335 million, not a huge -- i mean, the truth is, the system itself doesn't work. i think most democrats privately will concede that. so, why wouldn't the democrats say, here are our ideas for reforming it, i would hate to think that because of this president's signature achievement, they wouldn't want to concede that it doesn't work. they know it doesn't work. what are what if they admitted? >> well, look, the reality is, republicans controlled the house, the senate, and the presidency. so, now, it is their responsibility to govern. what is wrong with republicans saying, repeal, all right, you want to repeal, but what is the alternative? i have not seen an alternative on their side. so, the burden is on those that won the election. i think donald trump legitimately won the election. i'm worried about his criticism of the intelligence community,

denying russian hacking. but i concede, i want him to succeed. he is my president, although, during this period, he has not respected that it presidential transition. there is only one president. he is tweeting policy and programs before he even takes office. that is not right. that makes me uncomfortable. >> tucker: it's not right for him to express his opinion before he sworn in. let me ask you. you saw the democrats on the hill with their sign, make america sick again, which is what they claim trump will do. if you look at life expectancy in the united states, it is going up for some groups since obamacare cast. it has declined precipitously for others. the outcome doesn't seem to be at all that we expected. a lot of people are dying earlier than they did when obama took office. does that factor into your consideration of whether obamacare was successful? >> yeah, look. i think it has been successful. yet, there are flaws, we could make it better, ab -- >> tucker: dying earlier? [laughs]

>> that's not good. 70 today, i'm not there yet, that is the 50s and 60s of the past. you don't have to worry about that. you are still a young guy. i think at the same time, tucker, let's reform it. let's make it better but not repeal it. with no alternative. this is not going to be good policy. and it's not going to be good politics. >> tucker: i think this they repeal with no alternative, that would be hard to imagine that happening. we'll see. governor, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: donald trump spent the day in new york city. fox news national correspondence john roberts is outside trump tower. he was on the road with trump for a year or more. john, good to see you tonight. >> it only seems like a year or more. [laughs] go to seo. hey, business wrapped up at trump tower, donald trump are still tweeting. we will get to that in a second. the big news is that donald trump has settled on his choice for the new director of national intelligence, it will be the retiring senator from

indiana, dan coats. he served 12 terms in the senat senate. he was also the ambassador to germany for a time. he was famously kept out of russia, which he sort of wears like a badge of honor. the official announcement could come as early as tomorrow. that it was what donald trump has a significant intelligence brief, the same report that president obama saw on the alleged russian hacking, apparently, nbc has an exclusive look look at the classified report. donald trump writing on twitter, "how did nbc get an exclusive look into the top-secret report he come over obama, was presented, who gave him this report and why? politics." trump also tweeting, "the democratic national committee would not allow us them to see the computer info after it was supposedly hacked by russia." this is very much on the president-elect's mind as he gets out to meet with james clapper, the current 2d and i,

john brennan, the cia director, what will be a very big intelligence briefing tomorrow. at the same time, the trump transition has been beating back against "the wall street journal" report out this morning that trump plans on a significantly restructuring the office of the director of national intelligence the cia, bearing back staff at the dni, which donald trump has said to be bloated and politicized, clearly, by these tweets, he does think that there is a lot of politics intelligence. with the cia thinking of turning back some of the sap of the headquarters, and putting more people out in the field, sean spicer, who is the incoming press secretary, beat back strongly against that on the transition conference call saying, it is just not true. listen to what spicer said. >> speak of the president-elect's top priority will be to ensure the safety of the american people. the security of the nation. he is committed to finding the most effective way to do it. i want to reiterate, there is no

truth to the idea of restructuring the intelligence community infrastructure. it is 100% false. >> donald trump also clarifying his stance on julian sondra jula after tweeting earlier this week what he said about russia not being involved in dispensing the information that wikileaks leak. a lot of people thought that he was supporting assange, he did have the disclaimer on his twitter feed that said retweets are not an endorsement. he said he is not supporting assange, he is restating what he said. people said i am not a fan of intelligence. i am a big fan. though, transition sources do tell us, tucker, that donald trump would like to streamline the intelligence community and to depoliticize it, as well. tucker. >> tucker: john roberts from trump tower. thanks a lot, john. this time, the university of oregon, a law professor will tell us why this threats the free-speech rights of all of us. this is next.

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>> tucker: america's universities are teaming with countless petty tyrants. recently, the university of oregon, a professor was suspended for wearing black face to a halloween party, even though she says she was trying to send an antiracist message by doing it. law professor eugene volokh says that oregon's decision is a harbinger of the destruction of free speech rights on american campuses. he joins us now. thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: if you will just reassure me that i'm not missing something in the story. this professor wore black face to a party, trying to represent a that she thought would evoke. and she says she wasn't doing this as part of some minstrel show torah, or to offend someone, but to take a stand against racism. moreover, no one complained. are those the facts? >> so, first, it was a party at her own a house. there were some students she'd invited. she invited her students. it was her party at her house.

there was some indication that the students felt uneasy. but the concern was that the students were upset, then, other students who heard about it later on at the law school got upset. and lots of them heard about it because the law school made a big deal of having these discussions about it. that helped create the environment that made for speech punishable. >> tucker: they centered and pretty clear terms, that the actual disruption resulting from what she did are significant enough to outweigh her interest in academic freedom and freedom of speech. so, they are saying by dressing this way, she caused harm to people at the school? >> not only are they saying that, the implication is the same with regard to any kind of speech. even outside of school, that might be seen as racially offensive, whether intentionally or not, as religiously offensive. imagine somebody goes to somebody's house and there is a poster of a the mohammed

cartoons. i blogged them at one point on my blog. somebody reads my blog and they say, oh, no, i am now offended for religious regions because i am muslim, hypothetically. then, a whole bunch of other students make a big thing of it. the school starts having more discussions and then come at the university comes in and says, oh, it is now so disruptive, and large part because of the school has actually made it a big thing. now, they will be punished for it. any other professor as well cap. >> tucker: they get away with this, not by saying we are against free speech, nobody want to say that out loud, but they are. by equating birth they disagree with with the violence. i feel unsafe when you say that. >> that's a big part of it. a lot of students say that. the university is saying it is discrimination. it's true that if the professor decides to grade down a student because of their race or religion, that is obviously a violation of the law, in violation of the constitution. but what they are doing, they

are saying that speech offends certain groups is tantamount to legal discrimination. they are indeed re-characterizing speech as conduct that is now. >> tucker: no one is defending offensive speech. i am not. but once freedom of speech goes, it's over. that's it. mr. volokh, thank you. >> please finish your sentence. >> again, this is not just an about allegedly racist speech, this could be critical of homosexuality or certain claims about gender identity and transgender status. so long as some identify a group can be really offended by it, and can turn and this offense turns into more disruption of school, this is reason enough to suspend or to fire a tenured faculty member. >> tucker: that's right. ultimately, political speech will qualify. >> this was a form of political speech. >> tucker: that's right. exactly. professor, thanks a lot for joining us. that was interesting and ominous. straight ahead, "the

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>> tucker: we haven't been here long, but they show is moving. megyn kelly is moving on to pursue a new adventure at nbc. we are moving into our old time slot, 9:00 p.m. eastern time. we will start on monday. we begin this show i seven, we tell you the people in power tend to live. we tell you that they use their power not because they want to come up because they it is a drop of the press to call out those abuses. instead, the press gravels of the feet of the powerful. we promise you we wouldn't do that. we would hold the powerful to account, we would pierce pomposity, translate doublespeak, we would mock smugness, and barbecue nonsense. we will try to continue to do all of this. thanks to this new opportunity for rupert murdoch and fox, we will do it two hours later. 9:00 p.m. eastern. we are overwhelmed with the support we got from you, the viewers, and from all of our friends here tonight. thanks.

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