fort lauderdale, florida, why he did it in either of those locations, what was the significance of fort lauderdale. so much we don't know, but eight are five are dead. senseless. "the five" is on. >> i am eric bolling, this is a fox news alert. following two breaking news stories, five dead and eight injured in florida after a shooting at a fort lauderdale airport. plus just in this hour, u.s. intelligence agencies have released an unclassified version of the russia hack report. we'll have all the details on that in a moment. back to the tragic story out of florida. a shooting suspect is in custody after a lone gunman opened fire in a baggage claim area in florida's fort lauderdale-hollywood international airport, shooting people in the head without saying a word, witnesses say. describe seeing the gunmen opened fire. >> i got my first bag off, hurt

the shot, and as i did, the person right next to me fell to the ground, and i wasn't sure -- it was very surreal. i turned and looked and he was holding a was firing into the crowd. everyone from that flight standing there waiting for their luggage, and he just started shooting. >> you said he reloaded and began shooting a second time? >> yes, he did. >> did you get a good look at him? how would you describe them? short, tall, anything? >> he was probably close to 5'10", 6', a slender man, dark hair, and probably what i saw most was the gun. >> young, old? >> pardon? >> young, old? what age would you guess? >> he was probably in his 30s. >> did he appear to be with anyone? did he say anything? >> he did not say a word and was

not with anyone that i saw. my wife took something from my mother bought and applied pressure to a man who had been shot and they had paid >> moments later, the witness described the panic as a second scare unfolded live in the air. >> there have been reports there are some shots fired in the garage, they are locking us down again. they are saying somebody is in the garage. they just said that seconds ago. they told everybody to get on the floor. michelle, get down create they told everyone to get down. oh, oh, god created everyone lying down on the floor between the carousel. we are down the ground. stay down. they sat there something going on outside in the garage. people are scared to death. >> about breaking, a lot

happening in the half hour. bring us up to speed. >> the reported name of the alleged gun man, the long gun man, a man who acted alone here at the fort lauderdale airport on the deck below me here at terminal 2 baggage claim, you just heard that i witness described the carnage and the absolute terror, about two hours of panic here, especially after they were then reports of gunshots heard in one of the parking garages, and then there were reports of gunshots inside terminal 1 adjacent to terminal 2, and that led to everybody fleeing, the people who were already inside the airport at their gates awaiting their departures, then pouring out of the jetway's down the stairs onto the tarmac, and eventually all the way across the major east-west runway here at the fort lauderdale-hollywood

international airport to the furthest part of the airport property, furthest away from the terminals as you can possibly get, and for two hours, there was absolutely a sense of terror and panic and people that were frightened and scared. no one knew exactly what was going on. heavily armed law enforcement running all over the place. the state of the airport operations right now is this: it remains closed. as you can see, the runways are motionless. the only thing moving down there are some ambulances and some airport vehicles. there is a helicopter flying around, a black hawk helicopter doing circles around the airport property up there. that is law enforcement. it is not international guard here in the state of florida. so no planes taking off, it has been this way since at least about 2:00. there was was a short period ar the initial 1:00 p.m. shooting and killing of five people and

wounding of eight others where planes began taking off and landing again, and then there was that a second wave panic and uncertainty, and so the airport has been shuts down every sense. terminal 1 remains evacuated, hundreds of suitcases strewn all over the terminal. everyone ran full sprint out here out to the curbside, and they remain out there outside terminal 1. terminal 2, there still remains some people, probably hundreds if not thousands of people in there who have not been allowed to leave. what is happening at the airport right now is, i believe we have a second camera broadcasting live back to new york on the activity inside one of the parking garages here. you can see that the law enforcement, broward sheriff's department, assisted by atf as well as fort lauderdale police and fbi going car to car to car. as i'm looking right now at a

soldier up there or a law enforcement officer. he want to pan up there, mike? you can see what they are doing. they're going through every square inch of this airport right now. they are checking every car, every crevice inside the terminals, and there are oracle terminals here. this is a very busy airport. not nearly as busy as miami international, but part of the three south florida airports, miami, fort lauderdale, west palm beach. a a lot of air traffic every single day. it is now the heavy winter tourist season, and so there are a lot of people backed up your. but the airport is not yet reopened. go ahead, erica? earlier it was reported that this gun man checked his gun in a bag, picked the bag up, pulled the gun out of the bag, loaded it, and started firing. is this still accurate? >> that is still the prevailing theory, several officials are saying that appears to be what

happened. initially the report was that the man, the gunman who has been named esteban santiago, the alleged gunman, flew on an air canada flight, into terminas air canada as well as delta and then had checked his weapon with a military i.d., so you are allowed to check a weapon and fly, but you have to check the weapon. he lands in fort lauderdale, goes to baggage claim, down here below me and terminal 2, goes into the bathroom, apparently loads the gun, and according to the witness that was interviewed by shepard smith, he then comes back out into the baggage claim area and then start shooting people at point blank in the head and in their bodies, blood everywhere. and according to that witness, he emptied his gun, reloaded it, and then started shooting again. and then when law enforcement here at the airport, which is primarily broward county sheriff's department, when they

responded and started yelling commands at the guy, he offered no more resistance, and then just sat down. he was arrested, handcuffed, taken off for questioning. in custody at the sheriffs department or perhaps an additional location right now because of the severity of the situation as terror is still being investigated as a possible motive. the sheriff of broward county said he still couldn't comment whether he thought it was terror related, but in general, people here today were in a great state of terror. >> greg? >> do we know for a fact that the suspect was on that flight, and where were his victims on t flight or was it a specific flight in general? >> is still unclear. the initial reports that people were going with, he was on the air canada flight. air canada checks this guy's name, then they put out a statement saying there was

nobody on any of our flights nor did any of our incoming flights to fort lauderdale have any passenger that checked a weapon when they checked into the original airport. it is now believed that this alleged gunman, a loan gunman acting alone, acted alone, then connected in minneapolis, minnesota, and then continued on to fort lauderdale, landing shortly before 1:00 p.m., and then in the baggage claim area unleashing a wave of carnage. eight people were wounded by the gunfire. they are still being treated at the local hospitals here in broward county. and there should be an additional statement tonight, a news briefing update by the sheriff, we would expect, before the 10:00 and 11:00 local newscast here in the miami-fort lauderdale market. any second now, governor scott will be coming before the microphone. he flew down from tallahassee, he has been briefed at the

airport, and he is just running a little late for his plan 4: 45 news conference. we are expecting that to happen sometime, any second now. >> wondering then, he has his weapon, what his weapon backgr. we have information regarding his criminal record, has some number of minor traffic interes interest, and eviction. charged with two misdemeanors, one count of fourth degree assault and another for damage of property over $50, and apparently the genesis of that was a domestic violence incident where then he entered a deferred prosecution program by completing certain requirements. the case was then dismissed by the state prosecutor. that wasn't but a year ago. do we know anything else about the background, the nature of who the victim might have been, interesting that he has a weapon

here. >> details are still hard to get to it regarding the past personal life of this alleged on-demand here. the domestic we had heard about a couple of hours ago, and it appears that the domestic violence victim, who we were would presume would be a girlfriend or a wife of this gunman, decided didn't want to proceed with pressing this, so the prosecutor dropped it so this was a year ago, there are reports that he was in the army at some point. the big question now is, what was the motive here? is this a sympathizer to terror? is this somebody who may have had some sort of personal beef with somebody or life in general come up maybe ptsd. everything is on the table. no one has gotten any better details on that, but they do have the shooter alive in custody, not wounded. law enforcement did not fire a

single shot here today. all of the bullets were fired by the suspect. again, 13 people shocked, five of them have died create a very sad day here at the fort lauderdale-hollywood international airport which remains closed at this time. everybody who was stranded here outside on the curbside check or as well as inside terminal 2. at least outside, speak to that. no one has had any water or any food for several hours here, and people are starting to come up to us asking if we had any water. unfortunately, we don't either. everyone is hoping this airport gets cleared, secured, declared safe, and normal airport activities get back and operations up and running sometime in the near future. >> kimberly guilfoyle. >> do they have any reason to believe they need to continue the search? and my second question would be

about the evacuation plans of the airports. obviously no one can plan for every single thing, but in terms of your experience of covering disasters and tragedies, how do you think that the airport fare fares? >> it was a bottleneck. we took a back route from the south side on griffin boulevard. the main -- often the distance behind me, the main way to get in is you take and i-95 and then that connects to the east-west 595, and that is the main three lanes, four lanes coming into the airport. that was a parking lot, eventually closed. that was -- people were stuck in their cards and couldn't go anywhere, moving less than a-mile-an-hour. the people that were here at the airport had already been dropped off or had gotten out of ground transportation, taxicab or service to get on their flight,

well, they are stuck here. they can't get out of here. no one is allowed to move until this airport is checked, every square inch. let's take another look at some of these fatigue-wearing law enforcement officers. they are out there checking every single truck, every single car, making sure. they are looking in the bed of this pickup truck right now. making sure there are no explosive devices. anything that is a security flag. nothing will be left uncovered here today. every square inch is being poured over. this is going to take a while. it is a large piece of property. but this airport has been on lockdown for quite some time, and you would think there theyt least more than halfway done going through everything. they want to make sure there is nothing suspicious to be found before they declare the airport can reopen. >> we are going to stay with you. governor scott about 3 minutes away, we are hearing.

we are going to stay with you until we hear from him. in the meantime, juan has a question. >> very interested in the idea that he was seen wearing this blue "star wars" t-shirt, 26 years old, esteban santiago. the question i have is, are you allowed to transport the bullets with the gun? >> that is a very good question. i suppose you would be, to get the clearance by the airline to check your gun -- and hundreds will do this all the time. i don't believe they are required to pack their hunting rifle or handgun for that matter then be required upon landing to have to go get ammunition to use the weapon. so i don't know that for a fact. the fbi and the atf as well as

the sheriff as well really would not get into absolute meticulous details of the investigation during the last briefing. >> no, but i was interested in, phil, understanding the law. it came as a surprise that you could have a gun because it would open the door to this kind of incident where somebody takes a gun inside the security perimeter and even if they were met by an associate or a colleague, then the colleague could bring the ammunition, and maybe that is what they were worried about in terms of the garage, that there was someone who is going to meet mr. santiago and two would have exacerbated the circumstance with explosives, further ammunition. >> but the suspect did not go into the security area, did not go through tsa with the weapon. the weapon was reportedly checked in his luggage, checked in at the front counter. he then got his boarding pass

and then went through security and then effluvia minneapolis from anchorage and then landed here in fort lauderdale, goes down to baggage check, gets his bag from the carousel, then goes to the bathroom and loads it up. presumably -- here comes the governor, by the way, coming up with his entourage here. but that is the prevailing theory of what exactly happened, juan. >> one thing we should point out, at the baggage claim area, you left the security area of the airport already. anyone technically can come and bring bullets, a gun, whatever at that point. let's just see here, the governor is coming. he is on his way to the podium. let's take a listen to what he has to say, phil.

>> all the right, the first thing i want to tell you, we will not tolerate acts of evil. you just can't ever imagine how this could happen in a state like ours. think of the innocent lives that are lost. we still have, according to the sheriff's department, we have five, as you know, we have five individuals that have lost their lives. we still have people fighting for their lives in the hospital. whoever is responsible will be held accountable to the full extent of the law. let me repeat this. the state of florida, the citizens of florida, law enforcement in this state will not tolerate evil acts. whoever is responsible will be held accountable to the full extent of the law. i heard about this when i was in fort myers. i made it became over here, got over here about 1:45. i stayed in contact with the sheriff, sheriff israel has done an outstanding job.

everybody involved has done an outstanding job. there has been complete cooperation between the sheriff's department, airport security, all federal teams, everybody has worked together. i reached out across the state, acknowledge our international guard to make sure they were ready. if there is any need for the the national guard. make sure they need, the state was available to provide those resources. my heart goes out to every family impacted, the families that lost their loved ones and the families and the individuals that have loved ones still in the hospital fighting for their lives. we can't imagine how this could happen to any family anywhere in the world, clearly we don't want this to happen in our great state. i have reached out to president-elect trump and spoken with him and vice president-elect pence multiple times to keep them informed, and

they told me whatever resources that we need, they would do anything in their power to make that happen. my number one priority right now in florida is to keep everybody safe. everybody that lives in our state, everybody that travels in our state government do everything we can to keep them safe. as you know, this is an ongoing investigation. there is a lot of information that law enforcement will put out at the time they can put out, and they will do that as quickly as they can. i tell you everybody is working hard to find out exactly what happened and to hold whoever did this accountable. i don't ever want this to happen again to any family anywhere in the world, but clearly, never again in our great state. i'd be glad to answer any questions anybody has. >> reporter: how did you get here? >> i flew into executive airpor airport. >> reporter: did they need to provide security for you --

[indistinct] >> i don't believe so. i came here as quickly as i could, make sure whatever resources the state needs, there provided, it may true the sheriff and airports knew that. i did that for airports and sheriff's departments across the state on top of the national guard. >> reporter: what information do you have on the gunman? >> this is an ongoing investigation. all that information will be released through the sheriff's department at the appropriate time. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> we don't have details but that will be released at the appropriate time. right now the biggest thing to do is to pray for them. we went through pulse. the biggest thing is to pray for those individuals that ended up in the hospital, pray that every one of them survived. i have not spoken to president obama.

>> reporter: has he reached out to you? >> he has not. i have spoken to president-elect trunk and vice president-elect pence. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> i have not. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> this is an ongoing investigation. they will release information as quick as they can. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> i reached out to president-elect trump and vice president-elect pence. >> but you didn't reach out to president obama? >> i have a personal relationship with president-elect trump. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> it is horrible what happened here. it is not a time to be political. it is time to pray for everybody that is still fighting for their life.

>> reporter: you mentioned pulse, now another incident. [indistinct] >> remember, this is a simple act of evil. we are going to hold whoever did this accountable. not time to do politics. it is a time to it -- remember, we have an active investigation. finish the investigation, pray for those who are still fighting for their lives. thank you, everybody. >> okay. so that was governor scott. i did notice, k.g., he mentioned he has spoken to donald trump and have not spoken to the president of the united states yet. >> i'm not sure what's going on with that. but it is important to be communicating with both of them to make sure that they are fully apprised of the circumstances and the details. you see that he is really reluctant to kind of, you know, go any further until they have the rest of the information

regarding the shooter, background, motivation and intention here, if there was anything else associated with this, and so we are probably waiting for those developing facts. >> i am surprised like eric. he wants the military -- you want to check this guys background. you want to find out what the government knows about him, it would seem you want to go to the man who is the president and you want to go to homeland security as well as to the u.s. military offices. i see in my notes it says that his name has been put through all of the military databases. rick scott, the governor, says he doesn't want to play politics. this is such a thing, almost like they are two presidents. it is weird. >> went to think president obama will contact rick scott? >> i think rick scott said he reached out only to president-elect trump. >> he said trump reached out to him. he said he left his intel briefing. >> they said -- >> that's what i heard.

your thoughts and what we heard from governor scott? >> whether this is terror or not, a terrorist's life always goes down with these ship, ande didn't put in with the ship. there is some fishy stuff. it is all speculation. so what can you say, you know? >> your thoughts on the response so far? >> in regards to having communication to with the fedel government, if the governor were asking for federal resources, of course he would need to talk to the president of the united states. as he said, he has a personal relationship with trump and pence. until he needs federal assistance, i don't think that matters. >> okay. >> we agree. i think you've got to go right now or you have resources, dana, the resources with united states government. >> but they are being checked. >> like greg said, if this is a

terrorist incident -- >> i didn't say that. >> no, what you said committee suggested that it could be. we all lived in fear in this country of terrorist-inspire or terrorist-lead activity. if that is the case, let's get the government involved. >> no doubt. can you way and in a little bi? juan points out, the navy came in first and said, we don't have anyone by that name in our database. and so the armed armed forces e weighing in. if he does have that military i.d. covenant do we know which branch of the military he claimed to be a part of? >> it appears to be army, whether he served active duty in the army, that is unknown or at least unconfirmed. thanks to my colleague jenna griffin, she said that the state

of affairs confirms that the alleged shooter here at the fort lauderdale -- fort lauderdale-hollywood airport was a member of the army national guard until august of this past year, 2016, when he was given, "general discharge." nothing beyond that, should be a more detailed, lengthy statement coming soon. >> can i talk? >> go ahead, dana. >> we have a message here that says the brother of the man who has been tentatively named as the suspect says the suspect was receiving psychological treatment while living in alaska, this is brian santiago, a report out of alaska. >> possibly this shooter snapped when he got here. everything is on the table at this point. the sheriff, the division chief, they are standing with the governor there.

basically only the governor spoke, didn't provide any information regarding what he might be divulging, which you can only imagine is continuing at this hour. he has been in custody since basically 10 minutes after 1:00 p.m. this afternoon. speak up more information regarding the general discharge and especially this report that dana just mentioned about having some psychological issues. joining us with mark, former decorative tsa administrator. thank you for joining us. developing situation here with information coming out as they were able to pull some forensic forensics, determine the background of this individual and what his intent might be. how do you see this going. >> i think in some ways it is a validation of the way that airport security has been

developed since 9/11. every airport has an airport security program. it is administered by tsa, but it defines the roles and responsibilities of everybody who is in law enforcement who has first responder capabilities in the area. it would be different for every airport. what we saw this afternoon was that the airport security program unfolded with the ceiling of the perimeter. that is a good thing. it wasn't long until they had him in custody, and then they began to evaluate and secure what threats might be present in any parts of the airport. obviously it is a tragedy because of the loss of life, but this appears to have been well coordinated, which is what governor scott just said. >> we have a couple of questions for you, take it around the table. juan? >> mr. blank, i see you're described as one of the founding

fathers of the tsa. as a frequent traveler, i am surprised that really, counters, ticket counters, baggage claim areas are not secured. that doesn't make sense to me. >> it is a matter of finding the right balance between being able to process and have some degree of convenience in the air travel system and also the proper degree of security. the logical implication of your question is that we would conduct screenings before individuals ever got to the ticket counter, which would cause very serious logistical problems in terms of slowing things down if we did it on the perimeter of airports as vehicles, taxes and so forth, enter the airport. so there are ways to evaluate the threats that might be president from cameras and that sort of thing, so the risk is reduced, but we still are able

to have some degree of movement and not wind up in a situation where going to the airport requires four hour advance arrival. >> a follow-up on that. what about the gun, that people are allowed to transport guns and apparently ammunition and then load in the bathroom. it seems like that is a big hol hole. >> it is actually a pretty solid system where you declare your weapon. it has to be contained in a locked case approved by tsa. they look for it as the baggage is being screened. sometimes they will double check it. i think, juan, the question becomes, is, if you don't allow people to travel with weapons and you remove those weapons from the baggage claim area, how much more secure is the baggage claim area? that is a good debate to have. obviously the baggage claim area, as open as it is, would be

open to someone walking in wita gun. >> talked about this exact thing happening in turkey when the terrorist walked into the front of the airport and before they got to the secure area and started firing away, killing people, mowing them down. we're just talking about money now, aren't we? as juan points out, the ticket area, it seems like we have to be willing, at this point, to spend the money versus having more incidents like this. >> this would be a good debate to have as to whether or not we do need more security on what i will turn the public areas of the airport. i think the real question is, when you have 450 commercial airports in the country, seeing 2 million passengers a day, 18 million pieces of checked baggage. how much inconvenience, additional screening will the

american people tolerate before they say my movement is so hampered i'm not going to fly anymore? >> if you have a question for mr. blank? >> yes, sir. question about, i guess it is a state prerogative, but i wonder if the tsa had taken a position on it either from when you are serving on their or later. florida was going to take up a question and their statehouse next week asking the question, should guns be allowed in the airport, as you were coming into pick somebody up, et cetera. has the tsa has ever taken a position or do they leave it to the state? >> the tsa would not take a position on state firearms measures. but some states do put additional restrictions on weapons that are carried into the airport in terms of declaration, in terms of being able to expect them, find out whether they are an illegal

weapon or a properly registered weapon. tsa would not interfere with any states that wanted to put these additional restrictions on carrying a firearm into an airport. speak all the right. greg, you have a question? >> to me, mr. blank, seems like an example of, once you handle other targets, these large airports, we forget about the exits of larger airports. what would you do, what would suggest? if your family and relatives going there, what would you like to see changed? >> i would like to see overall additional capability to do intelligence-based risk assessments. we have some of that now with secure flights where we do background checks, a certain amount of background checks against the no-fly list, social security numbers and things like this. maybe more enhancement of identifying a phony i.d. at the

checkpoint would help. i would definitely close down what i call these side entrances to airports. i don't think we look hard enough at airline employees who don't go through the checkpoints. i think they are definitely things we can do to make the envelope tighter, and those are some of the things i would start with. >> let's take it a step further here. talk about this, an interesting debate about the public area, but was the last time there was a comprehensive study done or some kind of meeting our consensus on what measures we can take? i am certain there will be some hearings after what has transpired here because this seems to be a gaping hole. >> i think you're probably righ right. the studies that are done are probably done in the form of checks and attempts to penetrate the system from the general

accounting office, from the various inspectors general and from tsa itself. to see where there are gaps that you can possibly get weapons, prohibited items to repair that is going on in a constant basis. but it is obviously kept secret so the bad guys don't find out. it is very likely that most airport lobbies in this day and age by this time are under camera surveillance, and you probably have people in command centers who are doing some observation or what might be defined as suspicious movements or suspicious behavior so that there could be that kind of a response from visual surveillance. >> excellent. tom blank, thank you for joining us here today. tsa administrator referred to as the founding father of the tsa. juan, we want to discuss this a little bit further. >> i am so interested.

i don't know that this happens very often in our country, thank god. i read that the last time we had such an incident was 2013 in los angeles, and they are, a tsa officer was killed. but in general, this is an exceptional event given all of our hardening of our targets and of course, the airports. maybe we should stop for a second and say this might be just an outlier. >> we got lucky this time, believe it or not. fort lauderdale airport, it looks crowded, but not a big, major hope. if this guy wanted to -- i don't know if you just lost his mind. if you wanted to create a lot more mortality, wanted to kill more people, you could go to any one of the airports. >> still the 22nd busiest. >> every baggage claim -- next time you fly, pick up your bag, look at the people who are walking in and out. you don't know if they are

crazy, packing heat. listen, i am saying -- when you're in the airport, wants to talk about creating terror, that is the place to do it. think about your emotions when you're going through the airport. you want to get to your place, your flight, you are stressed out. >> by the way, i think it is a major airport. >> it is, 22nd busiest. >> i have gone through there, it is packed with folks going on cruises because a lot of the cruises fly out of there. >> compared to some big airports prayed speak we have a fox news alert. just moments ago, a report on the russian hacking in our election was released, report states that vitamin prudent influence the campaign, specifically undermining the election. catherine herridge has spent the last hour digging through the new findings. can you get us up to speed?

>> i have been through the reports, about 25 pages, dana, in my years, i have never read a report that is so strongly worded and is so definitive. the report has a series of key judgments. these are the major findings of the investigation, and it says that they are at the level of high confidence. if you are grading the intelligence, that would mean they are giving it a l for or a+. high-quality intelligence, and their main conclusion is that this was a operation that was ordered by the russian president, vladimir putin, to influence the american election, to undermine our democracy, to hurt hillary clinton's chances of winning, and then over time, they came to want to root, if you will, for donald trump. so those are the main headlines, and they say the intelligence is

at the level of high confidence, like na+ and the intelligence world. >> going to take it around the table. >> i was looking at page 11, the reasons why putin directed this. it always feels like they are slighted. in this case, it was over the olympic doping scandal and the panama papers. i don't know if putin or russia -- we are not responsible for those things that happened, yet is that really true that that is what drives vladimir putin to do these things, because of the doping scandal, change them, we're going to come back and undermine their electoral system, there election system? >> a big piece is pride for the russians. barry didn't dinner party probk too,ind of payback against then-secretary clinton for 2011 and 2012 when he publicly blamed her for instigating against him after these parliamentary

elections that were deemed to be not democratic. but if you also look deep in the report, i want to emphasize two people that there is a very interesting finding that they wanted to hurt hillary clinton but at a certain point they realized they felt she would win. at that point they decided to change the focus of their operation to gather information that would hurt her future presidency. it reads in part, just one second tier, "when it appeared to moscow that secretary clinton was likely to enact the electio election, the russian campaign began to focus on undermining her presidency." the russians didn't feel their campaign had been successful in damaging her chances of winning, and had a certain point, they decided to take what they had and try to leverage it against her in the future. >> catherine, i want to ask you quick, you are reading from an

unclassified report that was released, and nancy pelosi, house minority leader, has said she wishes the american people could get more of the details. if you have any insight as to what is in the classified document that could be different from the information you have now? >> this unclassified report has no backup data about sources and methods, and critics will use this as a way to say that the intelligence community politicized this report and they are hiding behind protecting sources by not releasing the information. the other side of the argument is that this is the kind of information that if it becomes public, they can't afford to burn or destroy those sources. but reading the unclassified report, if got to take a lot on faith, i have to say, because there really is no data that is declassified it beyond a lot of reporting about the russian- russian-backed tv network, but this hardly seems like strong intelligence.

>> kimberly? >> hi, catherine. a couple things -- welcome a lot of them. real quickly, the agencies agreeing with the report, cia, fbi, with high confidence, but it specifies that the nsa attributed with moderate confidence, that is one. secondly, per james rosen, when he was reporting earlier that there was a major hole in the dni report. if you can address those things. >> generally speaking, the key judgments, at high confidence, some other assessments that are at moderate confidence, and if you want to be a real intel geek, you can look at the table in the back to understand what that means. like i say, high confidence is like a a, a+, and moderate would be a b, b, something i'm very familiar with and my days in school. [laughter]

on this other point, on the podesta -- james is correct that there is not a reference to the podesta emails. i would argue it is kind of a given in the way the report is written. it says that wikileaks was the recipient of documents that came through the intelligence services, hosted the dnc emails as well as the podesta emails. and the intelligence community assessed that the russians chose wikileaks because it has a track record for being very reliable and authoritative. and they also said, and i thought this was important, that there was no evidence that the emails were doctored in any way. i think if you remember in the weeks leading up to the election, the campaign said repeatedly that they had been doctored or altered in some way, but that was not the finding. final thing on this if i can, they talk about wikileaks getting the information from the russian intelligence services. but there is no underlying data to help you understand what that

is based upon. that would be in the classified version. and julian assange has been very, very direct and on the record with sean hannity about the source and that he does not believe it was the russian government. so you're going to have to -- i encourage people to read it for themselves and come to their own conclusions about the report. speak all right, eric? >> catherine, back for my high school days, you have a hypothesis, then you go to the proof. i'm going to read the lines. spss this, go through the things that you mention, that the hypothesis. and i'm still looking for the proof. i don't see it. you mentioned it, a+, b- , i'm giving them a b a d, may be a f. give me some evidence. >> the unclassified report is not going to contain the

underlying data about the sources. example, whether it came from human spying or from intercepted phone calls, that is kind of the jeopardy of putting out something that is unclassified feet as i said earlier, you have to take a lot of it on faith, the classified report really backing up these very sweeping -- as i said at the beginning, strongly worded conclusions about what happened. but i would really encourage -- go ahead. >> dni clapper is also the guy who testified under oath that americans were not being data mined and had to walk that back after it was being proven that we were, in fact, and he knew about it. >> i know. and, you know let's -- i hesitate to mention benghazi. we reported a week after the attack it was not a demonstration and it took about a month for everyone to come clean on that. people have to read it for themselves. i would suggest they rated and

reach their own conclusions about whether it is a politicized document or not. one of the things that really jumped out at me is, the document wants people to understand that it in no way it measured how influenced voters. and i go back to the quote i gave dana. the report itself acknowledges that the russian campaign failed and that she was going to win, so they decided to use the evidence as leverage against a clinton presidency which never happened. and i would also delete from my experience, because this is what the u.s. government does, to collect information to hedge our bets. we try to understand as much as possible about what a future government, future administration is going to look like. that is not all that unusual. what is unusual is that it was very targeted to, they say, hurt one candidate and help another in this case.

>> thank you. all right, juan? >> i take a different view. i think they are now 16 agencies who agree with what you have called a a or a+ assessment. even though we may not be able to identify, because this is by craft, and not be told, i don't think that is unusual. that is commonplace in terms of reports on intelligence for the american people. we have to trust that, in fact, the people in our intelligence community, are people of some integrity. i don't think it can be politicized across similar lines of authority. which brings me to today's meeting between donald trump and jim clapper, jim comay, the fbi director, mike rogers. and i wonder, catherine, if you know what happened there, even earlier today, donald trump was telling "the new york times"

that he thinks this is nothing but a witch hunt, a done by people who are unhappy with the election results. >> i don't have good information because i have been working two stories this afternoon, the florida thing and this thing. i don't want to give you bad information. what i would say is that this is really a case that we have never seen before. what i mean by that is, and influenced campaign targeting an election, but we have never seen an outgoing administration dumped a report like this on an incoming administration, and it really has the effect of undermining the results. i don't know how you can really see it in any other way. and, again, people have got to read it for themselves. they have to look at the conclusions. they have to decide whether they have faith in the underlying data and whether this is a starting point to have a more

active cyber policy that will prevent this in the future or whether it is kind of payback by an administration that didn't act fast enough and allowed us to have them create >> that is a very good question. last question for you, catherine. do you have any background on the gym mostly decision, former cai director? >> i want to think about what i want to say here. >> this is cable news. [laughter] >> this is "the five." this is the "the five." don't worry. >> i guess what i would say is that i think there could have been better communication between the transition team and mr. woolsey about what the objectives were and how much input he would have. that is a diplomatic way i would say it. >> such as diplomats. such a diplomat. thank you, catherine.

>> she got straight a's all through -- >> i mean -- >> she got a b- in line. this is an incredible victory for putin. the whole point was to create a rift and to subvert the trust in our intel because by having the president elect marginalize your spy services, it is like your rival team is benching your smartest team or your qb. that is what is happening. putin didn't have to do that much. >> he was like the king of the kgb. >> never forget. >> there is that school of thought that says the intel community has been politicized. you look at the two examples, mentioned dni clapper. >> also the isis stuff. >> and the red line stuff, the

50 agents said, we were not allowed, we were trying to tell the top levels of intel that the redline has been crossed but it would look bad for president obama, and the top levels apparently sat on that page you have to make a leap of faith on that. >> same thing with the cia and brandon. >> how they deliver it to the public. you have to have a leap of faith to believe that influence the election. >> you have to have a leap of faith to trust assange. assange badmouthing the nsa, the cold war has now turned into a hot romance. >> ronald reagan would be flipping over in his grave. it is odd. but here is the thing, and i said this earlier. >> to have democrats defending the intel community. >> that is the weirdest part.

in fact, i think lots of people have legitimate criticism about the intelligence community in this country. we have too much, too many lines that are overlaps, and it is not clear where the authority auths and who has responsibility and to get into situations where you have good data but then you have questionable analysis. in this case, everybody agrees. >> i didn't even know there were 16. >> they know about you. >> is not that hard. president-elect trump has an opportunity to become a hawk on cyber terror. he could come out and say this is baby games, all of this hacking and phishing. what could happen if they go after our terror grid? enough of this stuff. we have to worry about people attacking and dismantling. >> can you imagine if you were one of those sources and your

name or the data that is in the classified report and you are one of those sources and you know, you are sitting in moscow looking over your shoulder tonight. >> or no longer looking over your shoulder. >> putin has a garage because he is mad over the olympics. >> maybe i missed misinterprett it seemed like the intel departments by saying the russians were doing this but they were doing it through a third party. either paying or setting up a third party to go ahead and pack, then they were going to take the information and turn it over to assange. the question is, was this third-party part of the russian government or not? >> they said, in fact, they identified -- they say they identified the actors and traced it to putin. >> they were part of the kgb? >> that they were operating

under orders from vladimir putin. >> by the way, every country outsources -- >> we hire some agents. >> i don't mean to shift the conversation, just briefly. i think there is so much concern on president-elect trump's part that this deal legitimizes his standing as the winner of this election. as the lone democrat sitting here, let me remind everybody, the congress today confirmed that donald trump won the election. it is over. it's like, you know it, that is our president. >> biden said it is over. >> i don't get why you would then attack the intelligence community. let's stop talking politics and worry about delegitimizing donald trump. we are in a different game now. >> i agree. do this stuff,ians do this everybody does this stuff. this is the tiny stuff. we need to start talking about

the big stuff, the attacks on our grid, on our power grid, hospitals, banks. >> our nuclear codes. can you imagine if they could hack into everything, get our nuclear codes? >> the editing that makes it different, we are a country, for all of the complaints about how we are not as transparent, there is no other country that is exposing this kind of information and allowing the citizens to read a report as many times as they want to come up with their own conclusions. that is one of the things that makes this country exceptional. >> it does tick me off. wikileaks began to go after oppressive regimes. how did we become the oppressive regime to him? >> we are going to head back to phil keating in fort lauderdale, he has an update on the other story we are covering. phil, will go to you, phil, for an update. phil? phil? hey, phil. >> phil, what is happening?

>> we might not have phil. we will have an update. kimberly, any last thoughts? >> putin doesn't get mad, he just gets even. we attack him, he is going to do something. >> very russian. >> right. [laughter] >> come i know -- oh, i know. >> on whether or not we are being data mined, because he was asked in a public forum, probably had information he felt was going to be dangerous if he answered it. some would say he should have denied answering. we are so transparent to the point where sometimes it is dangerous. >> i remember that president obama said that because we get so politically divided, we are more susceptible to this kind of attack coming. >> we air our dirty laundry.

>> in the interest of transparency. >> i do think that is quite remarkable. it is weird talking about retaliation against the russians. with a 35 people being expunged, been here since the '70s, all of that. >> we should just keep them. better to know them then get rid of them. then you have to start over with all of the new people. better to know your spies. >> then they sent better ones to replace them. >> by the way, there spies are always attractive. >> honestly? that is the conclusion? >> that was one of the things. you watch "the americans?" >> that is what we get from watching shows about spies. >> sang the advice president-elect said that president-elect trump will take aggressive action to combat cyber hacking create that just in.

>> i think it was innate strange position for obama to be in. seeing this coming, think the election is probably going to go hilarious way, doesn't want to overplay his hand. now they are putting this all there. >> now the left is mad at him. >> the biggest take away, we got the report here, determination, but we don't have classified information, we have a report and conclusions that are very strong, as she said. not going to be able to get that information. >> donald trump was briefed by the heads of intel, post briefing he came out and said he didn't think whatever they had actually influence the outcome of the election paid what else is he going to say? >> it doesn't say that it influenced, it said the intention was to influence and

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