10:00 p.m. eastern. my exclusive interview with president donald trump from the white house, night, 10:00 eastern. super bowl is coming soon. ♪ >> martha: breaking tonight, president trump makes it clear with two new executive orders that he intends to enforce the laws on the books when it comes to people here in this country illegally. and that hasn't sent some shock waves on both sides of this fierce debate tonight. plus, 80 late breaking reports suggesting that of mexico may na trip to meet with mr. trump next week as a result of all of the developments today. welcome, everybody, i am martha maccallum of this is a chock-full day six of the first 100. let's get right to it. president trump made his trip to the department of homeland security this morning. he was joined by families of americans who have been killed by illegal immigrants in this country. the commander-in-chief signing two documents and fulfilling

campaign promises all along the way. watch. >> yes, we will build a great wall. [cheering and applauding] and who is going to pay for the wall? >> the secretary of homeland security working with myself and my staff will begin immediate construction of a border wall. >> mexico's president said in recent days that mexico absolutely will not pay. >> there will be a payment. >> we will protect american lives. we will cancel all federal funding to sanctuary cities. >> our order also does the following, cracks down on sanctuary cities. speed wanted moments come up we will be joined by the chairman of the house oversight committee. his team about the obama administration for years to get some of these changes. first, john roberts live at the

white house with exactly how this went on today. hi, john. >> good evening to you. all during the campaign trail with there was a burning question, would president trump make good on his promise to build the border wall? well, today, he made good on that promise, signing an executive order, a sweeping series of new measures to enhance border security along the southern border. first and foremost among them, construction of a new wall, which by some estimates, could cost $25 billion. there was a candidate, president trump said, eight to $12 billion. he also wants to hire 5000 more border patrol agents. it would also eliminate the obama era practice of catch and release, which administration officials believe go to stem the tide of migrants coming through mexico from central america to the united states. here is a big one. it was also and some swarms dominic forms of

sanctuary cities. initially, u.s. taxpayers would foot the bill for construction. president trump, as you saw there earlier, insist that mexico ultimately will pay that bill. another big executive order coming, this will likely on friday. the policy that was originally called the muslim man, president trump will temporarily suspend visas from nations like iraq, syria, sudan, libya, and yemen. he is also expected to reduce the number of refugees that are allowed to come into the united states and potentially put a temporary ban on all refugees from syria coming into the u.s. until those extreme voting measures can be put in place. martha, the president firmly believes that that combined with the enhanced security measures on the southern part of will go a long way to improving security, national security here in the united states. martha. >> martha: thanks very much for joining me now, congressman jason chavers, chairman of the house oversight committee.

he joins us now from the republican retreat that is going on in philadelphia. he put on a tie for us. everyone was in sweaters today. good to see you, congressman. >> i just clipped on this type. >> martha: i appreciate it. very nice of you. >> you just listened to john roberts report. you have shock waves going across the country at the fact that he is following through with a lot of what he said he would do, build the wall and the like. your thoughts on all this? >> well, it is shocking, right, for those on the left, the liberals who didn't think that he would elect somebody who did what they said they were going to do and actually enforce the law. all we try to do for the last eight years was trying to get president obama's to enforce the law and he would not do it. to have president trump take this action in the first few days i think it sends a strong signal, i wholeheartedly support it. we desperately need it. >> martha: who is going to pay for the wall? the upfront money is going to come from the u.s. taxpayer. how was i going work?

>> i think we are going to visit with president trump. i do think mexico will ultimately pay for it. it will help both countries. i heard you mention that potentially, the president of mexico is not going to come to the united states. that would be the absolute wrong move. we have strong cultural ties. we have a lot of tray that happens between the two countries. but i do believe that insecurity may border, we will help end human trafficking. we will help deal with the weapons problems. we will deal with the illegal drug trade and deal with illegal things that we should have. that is the interests of both united states and mexico. >> martha: one of the biggest concerns on the part of people who are here or children born here, we have heard so much about daca and deferring action in terms of taking them out. i want to go to the sound bite between now president trump, he was on the campaign trail at the time, and chuck todd, talking about what known is daca. watch. >> the executive order gets rescinded, one good thing about -- >> you will resend that too?

daca? >> we have to make a whole new set of standards. when people -- >> you are going to split up families? >> martha: paul ryan was asked about this tonight in an interview. he said that dreamers need not worry. what is your understanding about whether or not they need to worry? >> look, we need to fix illegal immigration. i want to prioritize going after the criminal aliens. under barack obama, he released more than 80,000 people that were here in this country illegally, committed a crime, were convicted of that crime, rather than deporting them, he released them back into the public. there is this criminal element out there that should be prioritized. not some 3-year-old who didn't come here by their own volition. but at the same time, we have laws on the box. i think what we see is a signal out of the white house, which is so encouraging, let's enforce the law. let's fix illegal immigration. >> martha: the other got it coming next is a role on countries that harbor terrorists

or where terrorists come from. syria is on that list, libya, what do you think? can he do it? >> i think extreme vetting, make sure we know exactly who these people are, what their background is. we heard the fbi director a long time ago say, we can't properly vet these people because we don't know their backgrounds. the other thing i heard president trump talk about was dealing with asylum reform. this is a bill that i've been championing. it has absolutely been taken advantage of. people are coming here, claiming asylum, they get a court date in 2020. now, they are here legally, but they stuck into the country. there is a lot of fixed here. enter, exit programs, i'm proud of what the president did. >> martha: i want to ask you something on a different topic. a report came in to that you are looking into the trump d.c. hotel lease. what is that about? >> we did ask at the beginning of december to see what this contract looks like and that's always simply requested. we will see where it goes.

the oversight committee did request that copy. >> martha: are you concerned there's not a strong enough separation between the presence of the president or that hotel is concerned or what? >> no, i think there is an interesting question. when you have somebody who is both the tenant and the landlord, how is that going to work and we are curious as to what the gsa, who administers these contracts, what do they think of that and how is that going to work out. >> martha: stay tuned. congressman, thank you very much. good to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> all so news breaking on a report that says that mr. trump wants to bring back waterboarding. dr. james mitchell is the man who interrogated ksm behind 9/11. he will join us with his thoughts on what is being called a draft report tonight. plus, president trump signing order after order on the headlines are taking note of the quote incredible pace coming out of the white house. brit hume joins us with a look at what he thinks of all of this. and then, the new president is

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>> martha: breaking tonight, new fallout from one of two executive orders on immigration today. president trump signaling a major crackdown on so-called sanctuary cities. he said he will cut federal taxpayer dollars to jurisdictions that fail to report illegal immigrants or the federal authorities. here's how white house press secretary sean spicer outlined the move earlier today. watch this. >> what the executive order does at that directs the secretary to look at ways, look at funding streams that are going to the cities of federal money is and figure out how we can defund

those dreams. the american people out there are working and having their money sent to places where folks that aren't in this country legally are getting sent to cities that are therefore using their tax dollars. >> martha: in just a moment, we will have reaction from jose antonio vargas, and an angel mom, laura wilkerson, whose son was killed by an illegal immigrant. first, let's go to trace gallagher and our west coast newsroom with her all the sugar today. trace. >> martha, the biggest weapon president trump has when it comes to cutting off a certain funding for the nation's 300 plus signature our communities is through the department of justice and homeland security. experts say the attorney general, jeff sessions, has broad authority to decide how much grant money cities get to things like hiring police officers, prosecuting criminals, treating drug addicts, even preparing it for a terrorist attack. cutting off other federal grant money would likely need approval from federal lawmakers. but for now, republicans controlled both houses of

congress. sanctuary cities could also be sued by the administration for failing to abide by federal law. cities like new york, los angeles, chicago, , and san francisco have failed to fight back. for example, california has already retained the law firm of former attorney general eric holder to help fight the trump administration. from president trump's executive order is mainly aimed at forcing cities to stop harboring criminal aliens and start identifying them to immigration agents. donald trump has long said that kate steinle would not have been shot and killed in san francisco if they had turned over her alleged killer to border agents instead of releasing and prayed that suspect had been arrested and deported numerous times. president trump is also planning on tripling the number of i.c.e. agents. listen. >> for too long, your offices agents haven't been allowed to properly do their jobs.

you know that, right? do you know that? absolutely. but that is all about to change. >> the president's executive order also states that as well collect unpaid fines from illegal immigrants, though, it is unclear exactly how that is enforced. martha. >> martha: trace, thank you. there were several parents on hand to watch the president take action on immigration today. all of whom had children whose lives were taken by criminals who were here in the country illegally at the time. among those parents was laura wilkerson. in 2010, her teenage son, joshua, on the left, was brutally murdered at the hands of his classmate, on the right, who was brought here as a child illegally from belize. laura is now chairwoman of enforce the law.org. she has since provided congress with emotional testimony about the loss of her son josh. >> my youngest son josh, who was a senior in high school and had his whole life ahead of him, he went to school and never

returned. as josh walked up to the doors of the school that morning, her mila more or less walked up as well. there was a video that i saw in trial, the last picture of josh alive by the last time i will ever see my son walk. talk. anything about him. >> martha: she relives this every day and she joins us now, along with jose antonio vargas, who who is a self-proclaimed undocumented immigrants. he is an activist and the founder of hashtag emerging u.s. i know this is been an emotional day for both of you and i want to thank you both for being here today. laura, first of all, let me start with you. when you were standing there and you watched these documents get assigned, what went through your mind? >> release. we are finally going to have someone in their that wants to follow current law and uphold the law. so, it was absolutely a relief today. and a start. a starch. >> martha: jose, i know that you said today was very tough for you. tell me why and when you look at

the fact that what he is talking about doing is enforcing laws that are already part of the federal legal canon of the country. >> first of all, thank you for having there. i actually met miss wilkerson at the republican national convention in cleveland i met her and apologize to her about this hole, horrific ordea ordeal. no mother should ever go through it. i have to say, however, the facts tell us that the vast majority of undocumented people in this country are not criminals. to be in this country illegal is a civil offense. the vast majority of us are not murderers, rapists, killers. that man that ended up, the horrible, horrible tragedy, was committed by an outlier. not somebody who was part of the norm. to be when i don't think anyone is suggesting, jose, that everybody who is here as undocumented as a murderer.

what is about as enforcing the laws that are on the books and what we have heard tonight from paul ryan and we will hear more about returning people because i think that is the biggest concern, right, the children like yourself that were brought here with their families. >> the thing, though, the implication of the language that we have been using and how we talk about people. right? have to say, by the way, let's talk about enforcing the laws. when are we going to talk about the american employers who actually benefit and exploit undocumented workers in this country? i'm in california, closer 2 million undocumented people. are we going to talk about the u.s. employers, the american employers, and how they benefit from us? how about texas? 1.8 million undocumented were born and a state of texas. the construction industry would not survive in texas. >> martha: there are two sides -- let me ask you. laura, let me ask you to weigh in on this. you hear what jose is saying, in terms of the people who are her

here, i assume that you want to simply the laws to be followed and that might lead to fewer workers being here. correct? everyone has to deal with that. >> that's exactly right. you say you've had a tough day. i don't know if you understand what a tough day it is in the life of a parent who has lost a child at the hands of an illegal in this country. no one is here to say that that the vast majority. but you are legal or illegal. there is one way or the other. there is no gray area. you have plenty of time in this country to get in line, come in the front door. your parents brought you here undocumented and that is something that is a question you will have to have for your parents. but you have had plenty of time to get in line and we don't have to make any excuses for that. we have to do nothing for the illegal here. they need need to come and, come through the front door. there is a process, it needs to be ongoing and enforced. >> martha: well put. these are laws that are on the box. i'll say it again. what is wrong with a country having a border, controlling who comes in and who goes out? why is that a radical idea? >> it's not a radical idea.

of course, country has a right to define and defend its border. i get that. but why are people here? are we here so that people can enjoy calling us criminals and being dehumanized and being thought that all we are doing is being a bird in this country when the reality is we contribute billions of dollars to the economy of this country. >> how do you do so? >> you actually should talk to the irs and the social security administration. we have paid billions of dollars into the social security and to the federal government. >> how do you have a social security card? how do you have a social security number? >> you should ask the social security administration. >> martha: i believe your grandfather brought it, is that right? >> my grandfather bought it. let me just say this. about the comment that you made. i live in the gray area. this is not black and white. >> there is no gray area. >> oh, millions of people live in the gray area every day, ma'am. it's because you are in this country illegally and that his

edge. >> martha: i think both of you for being here. the details of all of this will come out in the days and weeks to come. it is clear from what we have heard so far that and it is criminal people who have committed crimes who are here illegally who would be first on the list for this kind of push back. laura wilkerson, thank you very much. jose vargas, thank you very much, both of you. obviously a continuation of the conversation is to come. coming up tonight, some new calls for an investigation into voter fraud coming from the president himself. one of the people who can play a key role in all of us joins us. plus, breaking news tonight on reports that president trump plans a very controversial approach to dealing with terrorists. is that true? we will break it down for you next. >> when isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval times, i feel strongly about waterboarding, as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight. so if you have a flat tire, dead battery,

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>> martha: breaking tonight, could president trump be bringing back enhanced interrogation? "the new york times" ran the southern this morning. "trump poised to lift a ban on cia black site presence." the three page executive order draft possibly clearing the way

for waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques to be used, once again, and terror suspects. this draft order has reignited a debate over whether or not these methods are effective and whether or not they are legal or should be reinstated ever. dr. james mitchell, who has interrogated some of the world's most notorious terrorist, including ksm, will talk to us about this in a moment. first, let's go to national security correspondent jennifer griffin, who is live in the nation's capital ball with some confusion that surrounded this document today. hi, jennifer. >> hi, martha. white house sources say there is no plan to resurrect the black sites or review their the procs in the army field manual. president trump said that he favors waterboarding but will leave the decision to the cia director mike pompeo and defense secretary james mattis, who both say they oppose torture. >> as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. i am going to rely on pompeo and

mattis and the group. if they don't want to do it, that is fine. if they do want to do it, then, i will work toward that end. i want to do everything within the bounds of what we are allowed to do legally. but do i feel it works? absolutely come i feel it works. >> martha: "the new york times" published a draft document, 1 of thousands that were written by various individuals, to get these policies at the trump administrn might want to pursue in executive orders. >> it is not a white house document. i have no idea where it came from. but it is not a white house document. >> pompeo was asked about reinstating waterboarding during his confirmation hearing. >> if you were ordered by the president to restart the cia's use of enhanced interrogation techniques that fall outside of the army field manual, would you comply? >> senator, absolutely not.

moreover, i can't imagine that i would be asked that by the president-elect or then-president. >> but in written testimony, a few days later, pompeo seemed to leave the door open to waterboarding and the use of torture. "if experts believe current law was an impediment to gathering vital intelligence to protect the country, i would want to understand such impediments and whether any recommendations were appropriate for changing current law." the reaction from the hill was a slick, with senator john mccain saying the law is the law and that americak torture. back to you, martha. >> martha: thank you very much for joining us now, dr. james mitchell, author of "enhanced interrogation, inside the minds and motives of the islamic terrorists trying to destroy america." dr. mitchell has interrogated some of the world's worst terrorists, including 9/11 mastermind, khalid sheikh mohammed. doctor from a very good happy with us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> martha: in terms of the news that broke today, when you read the story and you heard

about this document that has been circulated, which talked about bringing these things back, what went through your mind, where do you think this came from? >> i have no idea where it came from. in my mind, it would make perfect sense for the new president to try to get a handle on whether things are working or they weren't working. i don't know whether that document is a fake. i have no inside knowledge about that. but it does make sense to take a look at whether or not the current measures that we have, what we need to have to protect ourselves. >> martha: after 9/11, you were asked to come over the interrogation techniques, because you had taught our military how to avoid that kind of grueling questioning and not break down. so, you do the reverse engineer dated did essentially. tell everybody at home what you did to ksm, khalid sheikh mohammed, the mastermind behind 9/11, and how you broke him. >> well, we wouldn't use the word broke. we did waterboarding. he was actually very good about

avoiding the water board. the thing that actually got him cooperating enough that we could use a social influence, which is really what is important to use, more so than the eit, social influence techniques, was walling and sleep deprivation. he was only subjected to enhanced interrogation for 21 days. that is three weeks. he was in cia custody before he was moved to guantanamo for another 170 weeks, where he cooperated. so, this emphasis on eit ms emphasis on how long they were subjected to it is overplayed. >> martha: do you think we should bring black black sites? the ability to use these techniques? it sounds like what you are saying, it wasn't ultimately that waterboarding had worked on him. it was the combination of all of these things. is that right? >> we believe it was the combination of all of those things. in in a short period of time tht

he was exposed to them. somewhere between waterboarding and the army field manual, there should be some legal form of coercion. i would encourage all of your viewers to actually read to senator mccain's press release today. what he says in that press release is that we are restricted to the army field manual and the whole purpose of the army field manual is to rely on what the detainees voluntarily tell us. what i discovered after i had spent so much time, years literally come with some of the worst people on the planet, some of them do voluntarily tell you things. when they do, that is great. but some of them, like ksm, would not have told us what we needed to know to disrupt that second wave of attacks. we should not have our national defense protecting us from terrorists based on what to some terrorist is willing to tell us voluntarily. >> martha: you would advise president trump to revisit these contacts us? >> i would advise him to take a look at them.

i don't want to be the poster boy for waterboarding because i am the guy who tried to get the cia to stop waterboarding after we did it on three people, the second wave of attacks was disrupted. we told them we didn't think they need to do that anymore. but i think we do have to look at the techniques and determine what is working. i am telling you, there's a handful of people out there who are the worst of the worst, who are highly committed to their cause, who have some catastrophic attack in mind, who are not going to pony up and volunteer information so that we can disrupt those attacks. we wouldn't do that. our generals wouldn't do that. general mattis would not give up information that would get american skills for what's in the army field manual. it's insulting to suggest he would. he would not voluntarily do tha that. so, in my mind, it makes perfect sense of the president would ask his intel folks to revisit that. if they choose not to do that, then, we have to admit to

ourselves -- >> martha: dr. michelle, thank you. you got cut off, i'm not sure why. we thank you very much. fascinating having you. while mac. what a story. more to come tonight, when donald trump won the white house, some folks on the left made a dramatic prediction about what would happen next in our economy. tonight, we have got the video that they are going to hate. plus, some headline writers are not describing the president's first week as the "trump tornado." senior political analyst brit hume is next with his take on what is going on here when we come back. ♪

♪ >> martha: new reaction tonight to what some journalists are calling the "incredible pace of activity" that is coming out of the white house, with just six days and up the first 100. they are noting that market contrast to business as usual.

the "washington examiner" proclaims that the "trump tornado" has at washington, just as mike.com explains how donald trump's signature on it for executive orders rapidly reshaping america. it is his actions today in particular that may reshape our foreign relations. the ap reported tonight that the mexican president is considering canceling his planned trip to meet with president trump early next week. no doubt there is some scrambling going on where that is concerned. right now, joining us on that and a bit more, from florida this evening, senior fox news political analyst brit hume. good evening, brit. good to see you. >> hi, martha. >> martha: hi, there. just covering this, it's like a fire hose coming out to you with orders after orders after orders, things being signed. can he keep this up and he would have you ever seen anything like this? >> this is the fastest art i've ever seen any president to make. particularly so when you take note of the fact that only a couple of his cabinet offices are now in place. it does appear that he and his

team were sort are prepared for these first few days and had these actions that he has heat up and ready to go. this verse of the pattern of trump the businessman, where he works as fast as he can, although, when he is slowed by whatever problems may arise, he is utterly relentless. i think as much of this essay couldn't mount will be enforced as we go. >> martha: such a dizzying pace that reporters have a tough time keeping up with it. then, we throw in some of the other stuff that he throws in there about voting and voter fraud and you can feel people's heads about to snap off. what about democrats? what you think your reaction is to all of this? >> i think they are in a situation where a huge portion of their constituency is telling them as a sign on the crane said from greenpeace, "resist." so far, they are resisting however they can. they don't have the votes to stop cabinet nominations. they are slowing them down.

partly, i think they would tell you that that that is payback e fact that the president supreme court nomination didn't get -- president obama's supreme court nomination, merrick garland, was never acted on by the republican-controlled senate. i think this is a little payback. i think they are working through how they're going to deal with this man. their constituents want them to resist, the democrats. on the other hand, democrats came out today with a huge list of infrastructure projects that they want done and president trump wants to do a lot of construction stuff, too. they may come and that sense, be looking for opportunities to work together. >> martha: i'm fascinated by the situation with mexico because today, some of the top signatories for mexico came over and met with steve bannon and some other top advisors to donald trump. then, trump went out and came up with the portables and everything else that he came today, and he said he can't wait to work more with mexico.

the ap is reporting that enrique pena nieto is under some steep pressure at home and they are saying, we don't like the way our we are being treated, you ought to consider canceling this. how does that go down on in the west wing? >> i'm think that goes as a possible disappointment in the west wing. you can't blame the mexican president. the steps of the president outlined today, although they are preliminary, they certainly point to a direction, are not going to go to down well with the mexican voters. the president is put in a position where he looks like a wimp if he appears to be acquiescing. so, he puts out orders that he is considering canceling visit. i think he had to do something. and i think this is perhaps a lesson for the trump people that the actions and the statements of the president of the united states affect all the internal policies of the united states and they can also have a profound effect, as well, as the politics of mexico.

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>> martha: the controversial call from today from president trump for an investigation into voter fraud. this morning, he tweeted this. "i will be asking for a new major investigation into voter fraud, including those registered to vote in two state. those who are illegal, and even those registered to vote who are dead and for a long time." depending on results, we will strengthen our voting procedures. trace gallagher has more on this from our west coast bureau. hi, traits. >> martha, despite the president's saying he already filed court documents stating the united states election was not tainted, he is bowing to fully investigate what he says or 3-5 alien ballots illegally cast. you hit that 3-5 million number, trump is alleging massive fraud. dead people and illegal immigrants. for the first two, president trump cites a 2012

study by the pew research center, which led to this back and forth and world news tonight. watch. >> what you are presented so far has been debunked. it has been called false. >> look at the pew reports. >> i called the author of the pew report last night and he told me that they found no evidence of voter fraud. >> why did they write the report? >> they said no evidence. >> why did they write the report? >> therapy report short of the time that 1.8 million dead people were still registered to vote and an additional 2.7 million living people were registered and more than one stage. but the report showed no evidence that any of the deceased actually cast ballots or that anyone else voted more than once. as for illegal immigrants, the trump administration has mentioned in 2014 "washington post" article that cited a cooperative congressional election study claiming more than 6% of noncitizens voted in 2008 and considering there are some 20 million illegal immigrants in the u.s., 6% is a lot of votes.

the problem is, the group that supply the numbers for that study disputes the results and says the likely% of noncitizens who voted is zero. martha. >> martha: wow. traits, thank you very much. joining us now, catherine engelbrecht as founder and president of true the vote. welcome to both of you. catherine, i read a bunch of reports about different arguments for how you can cobble together numbers that might get to the 1 million range potentially for people who are falling into that category who shouldn't be voting, who are voting part if you look at us all the time. do you have a good argument for it? >> here is my argument. not enough research exists. there should be a priority. everything we do presupposes a free and fair election. let's stop and take a look. either prove it up or dispel the myth. let's settle at once and for all. we can do that. >> martha: how do we do it? >> the technology certainly exists. what we need to do is resolve for the identity, residency, and

citizenship of every registered voter. figure out if the information is accurate. if it's not, correct it. then, provide solutions moving forward so that americans are confident that we may cast their vote, it is going to count. >> martha: and georgia and indiana, you need voter i.d. some people think what president trump is doing is throwing this big number out there, robert, so he could get this conversation started and he could do the kind of study data catherine is talking about and get to the bottom of what the truth is. >> the truth has been well established. that is not even in question amongst the majority of our states that have republican governors. they just -- the very sources that the white house quotes that justify their positions, those authors of those studies have also said the white house is misinterpreted their position and in fact, those authors of those studies point out that there is not an issue of voter fraud. for that matter, the president's own election make that case. >> martha: you don't think that people who are registered in two different states, the names of dead people on roles, that kind of stuff has been

going on since lyndon johnson ran for senate in texas. you don't think that ever happens? >> martha, there is the case that people are registered at more than one state. you can start with the steve mnuchin, the president or nominee for secretary of the treasury and the president's steve bannon who are registered in more than one state. that doesn't mean that they are committing voter fraud. >> that is -- that points to the brokenness of the system. once -- >> quite to the contrary, catherine. what it shows the validity of our system is the fact that evey study the white house referred to point out that there is not election fraud. >> martha: here's what happens. when democrats lose elections, they claim there was something funny going on, the polling booths or people or double voting in all of these things. republicans were in recollections, in fact, catherine, michigan, when joel stein launch that effort, the trump campaign said there was no voter fraud whatsoever and michigan. everyone seems to like the story when it suits them, no?

>> you are right. that is why i say, let's put all the cards on the table. we have the technology to do it. i think we can all agree that only eligible citizens should be registered and voting. let's just clean it up and move on. >> martha: i couldn't agree more. i don't know what everyone is afraid about. the president wants to launch an investigation. why wouldn't you want to? this is the most important right that we have as u.s. citizens. let's figure it out. >> the reason you see, martha, republicans and democrats coming together and saying this is not a priority or a legitimate issue, including the speaker of the house, for that matter. in fact, the president's own chief of staff, reince priebus, is because we have confidence and integrity of our democracy, served as well. nothing is more dangerous than undermining at what these false rumors and false stories. >> martha: i got to go. robert and catherine, thank you very much. what did the dow jones do today? this is incredible, right. 20,000. we will show you what everybody is saying about that and what it

♪ >> it will be a global market shock tomorrow, the world engage an eclectic financial freak out. >> global markets are roiling quite a bit. that gives you a sense of how global financial markets are most likely going to respond if it is the case that donald trump pulls out a victory tonight and is declared the president of united states. >> what we saw happen in the stock market is happening at the hearts of americans. they are afraid proud donald trump has to address that. >> martha: oh, my, my, my. dreadful. bleak. today, for the first time in its history, the dow jones industrial surpassed 20,000 come by friends. here is steve forbes, chairman of the forbes media. that was the end of the earth there on election night. >> it was ended quickly

dissipated because markets quickly realized president trump, then president-elect trump was going to follow through on deregulation, tax cuts, and fundamentally overhauling health care in a positive way. he certainly has followed through on the deregulatory side. those two pipelines are a great example of it. he wants a big tax cut, as well. one of the things that investors have to watch out for, martha, is to make sure republicans don't mess up that tax cut with a big tax increase. they wanted 20% of national's sales tax, which will hit working americans, middle-class americans, to finance other parts of the tax cut. don't put in a new tax. the color of of the border adjd tax. don't put in a new tax that will hit working-class americans. make it a p.r. tax cut, like president trump proposed in the campaign. you do that, this rally will continue. >> martha: you think he will cut spending? >> i think he will rein in spending. he is already appointed cabinet officers who will have a good idea of how to do it. both deregulation on the spending side, and the key thing

is to get republicans geared up in the house and in the senate to get the blow it out of the federal budget. they keep talking about it but now it is time to get it done. that is why they shouldn't put in a new tax to finance the tax cuts. they should go after the bloat. no national sales tax, go after the bloat. by golly, this economy is going to home and so is the stock market. >> martha: by golly, we will see. steve forbes, thank you. >> thank you. >> how old are you? >> 30. >> how old do i look? >> why hedge? how old do i look? [laughter] >> 30. [laughter] >> martha: [laughs] oh, gosh. today, we say good-bye to the charming and talented mary tyler moore. she came into our homes, she made us laugh. she inspired some of us to want to work in a newsroom with all the guys like mr. grant. she was always her soft, human and touching. and we all feel like we knew mary tyler moore. the quote of the night comes from her.

"take chances, make mistakes, that is how you grow. pain nourishes your courage. you have to fail in order to practice being brave." thank you, brave mary. we miss you already. ♪ >> tom: welcome to "red eye," hello everyone, i'm tom shillue. let's check in with tvs a andy levy at the "red eye" tease deck. >> andy: coming up on the big show, president trump signed an executive action ordering construction of the wall and saying mexico will reimburse us for about cost. our request for ted cruz pictures playing basketball, duke player who looks like him, tweeting