>> martha: breaking tonight, a battle of wills between our new president and our neighbors to the south as he doubles down on the border wall. tonight, raising the stakes once again, i am martha maccallum, good evening tonight. this is day seven. so mexico's president under seas at home balked at any suggestion that they would pay the billions of dollars that it would take to build the border wall. mr. trump then responded on twitter, writing this... hours later, the mexican president did just that. mr. trump, holding his ground. >> i've said many times that the american people will not pay for

the wall. the president of mexico and myself have agreed to cancel our planned meeting scheduled for next week. unless mexico is going to treat the united states fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless and i want to go a different route. >> martha: a short time ago suggesting that one option they are suggesting would be for mexico to pay for the border wall by imposing a 20% tax on mexican goods coming into this country. in moments, we pulled joined by sarah huckabee sanders, she will give us the latest from the white house night. first we go to john roberts. good evening john. >> another interesting day here at the white house. up until now, the feud between donald trump and enrique pena nieto had been between a presidential candidate and a world leader. now that he has become president trump, it has x collated into a full-blown

diplomatic incident with the two coleaders canceling a summit that was planned for tuesday. it started this past tuesday when president trump announced his policy, signed the executive order to build a wall. last night enrique pena nieto denounced the whole idea. then the two leaders got into a twitter war. then, philadelphia, president trump refusing to back down and saying that they will indeed pay for the wall. >> most illegal immigration is coming from our southern border. i have said many times that the american people will not pay for the wall. and i have made that clear to the government of mexico. >> has all of this developed today, don't delayed the signing of an executive order on the so-called extreme vetting, that was initially going tomorrow. then they were going to move it up today and then everything got delayed until at least saturday. when he does finally get towed

this executive order, it will implement a 30 day ban on visa entries from countries that are hotbeds of terrorism. it will impose a 120 day or more moratorium on admitting refugees to united states. it will impose an indefinite ban on syrian refugees, create safe zones in syria and implement a process of extreme vetting. president trump said that this measure is critical to america's national security. >> we are going to have extreme vetting in all cases. and i mean extreme. we are not letting people and if there's even a little chance of some problem. >> martha, the very top of this, going back to the mexico spats, the 20% border tax to pay for the wall, the da date was propo, it looks like that was president trump was something he was thinking about, a lot of people took that as the

opening shot in a potential trade war, so this afternoon sean spicer invited a bunch of us into his office to save that is just one thing we are thinking about. it could be combined with a lot of other things. reince priebus told me we are thinking about th a whole buffef options here. really trying to walk back quickly this idea of the 20% border tax, leveled as a communicative tariff to pay for the ball. >> martha: i want to play a sound bite from president trump in philadelphia where he started to sort of wrap his route arms around this idea with paul ryan right next to him. let's play that. >> we are working on a tax reform bill that will reduce our trade deficits, increased american exports and will generate revenue from mexico. that will pay for the wall, if we decide to go that route. >> martha: the question, john, is wha what the back-and-forth s here. is there an effort underway to

sort of help, save face a little bit so that he can walk towards them and help put something together here? >> that remains to be seen. right now, it seems to be a level of the he said/he said and oh, yeah, take that. i will tell you, martha, the relationship between the united states and mexico is far too important for this feud to go on very long. plans are already being made to sort of regroup and reassess and readjust and get those two leaders back together again. now the white house is saying it's not the mexican government per se that is going to pay for the wall, it could be done in a number of different ways like the president just mentioned there. comprehensive tax reform, border transfer payments, that will help pay for the wall. not sticking them -- not sticking the government with the bell but doing it in a number of different ways where revenue derived from trade and

mexico will somehow pay for the wall. from the face-saving measure, it will supposedly help pena nieto get on board with this. >> martha: we hope to have the new white house press secretary join us in a moment, breaking news tonight on the issue that john roberts just mentioned. trumps plan to drastically reduce the number of refugees admitted to the united states from some countries that they believe are sponsors of terror or would carry terroristic tax over here. if they were allowed in. plus, mayors of sanctuary cities are doubling down on their refusal to comply with on the books federal immigration law. so, how was i going to play out? if they're going to be some kind a showdown between the united states government and these sanctuary cities? we will talk to the most well-known immigration experts in the country on this, next. >> in our sinks city status, there are hundreds of mayors in

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>> him another with a lot of back-and-forth discussion, i think the president made it very clear there was a mutual decision not to go ahead with the meeting. right now, we are focused on a lot of activity that has been going on at the white house. the president is being incredibly engaged and active in the last four days of officially taking office. he's going to continue to be active and engaged throughout this process. and continue making big and bold moves. >> martha: has there been any further dialogue between the mexican government and the united states government today on this? >> as far as i know, not since the meeting was decided that it would not go forward as planned. i know that we will probably have lots of conversations with mexico over the coming weeks and months. >> martha: no doubt. in terms of the extreme vetting, there is a draft on that that was circulated. i'm just curious, if you can carrcharacterize for us that poy

and what we can expect that it will include? >> it is still being ironed out right now, there's a reason it wasn't signed and announced. we want to make everything right. we are being very thorough throughout this process. we have gotten a ton accomplished in these first four days and brocket brook obama done in his entire eight years. we're going to continue working on that and make big announcements over the last few days. >> martha: we are keeping track of the first 100 days. a lot has been checked off with campaign promises. it has been just incredible. when compared to any presidency we have seen so far. as i just mentioned to you as we were coming to tonight, we have a tweet from president trump which says that the miami mayor has dropped his sanctuary policy, great decision, says the president. strong. what can you tell us about that? >> i think this is a huge

moment, the type of precedent that donald trump is and the type of effect he is having on this country. that is a major moment and a big victory for the president tonight. >> martha: i also want to talk to you about the march for life, which is obviously a very big event. something we haven't seen the white house evolved in an eight years. we know kellyanne conway is going to be speaking at that, mike pence, talk to me about the moment that this represents for this white house. >> i think it is one of the greatest contrast moments between this administration and the past administration. this is a president who values life. that understands the value and importance of life is what sets us apart from all of the other civilizations out there. this is a big moment for the president, for this administration, i think it's a really proud moment for america that we have a president so willing to take this bold stand and draw that contrast that we haven't seen in the past administration.

>> martha: incorporated you very much, sarah huckabee sanders. have a good night. all right, so this immigration fight is very much front and center. at the center for immigration studies, cohost of the five joining us this evening. gentlemen, welcome. gaddafi end. let's start with you on this, mark. this news from the mayor of miami, dropping the sanctuary policies, that's a pretty big development. >> yeah, i think it is. the idea of sanctuary cities are really indefensible. sanctuary city is not just a place where the cops don't ask your immigration status. they don't do that anywhere. what a sinks for a city does is when it gets a request for someone they arrested, the immigration wants them because they are deportable, they let that person go instead. that is inexcusable.

there going to be some hard cases like san francisco and new york that are going to stick to their guns. this administration has got some work ahead. a lot are going to change their tune. i think pretty quickly. >> martha: when you have the threat of federal money being withheld, juan, that may makes some of these mayors look at this thing a little differently. >> it might, martha. i guess that's what behind the action in miami. what we've seen so far is the mayor's of the big cities, new york, los angeles, chicago, d.c., even some of the smaller cities, syracuse, austin and the like have said they plan to fight this. they also point to the fact that congress is not allowed to use federal funds or limit federal funds to coerce the state into doing their bidding. that is not legal. there is a question about how extensive the damage would be on

limiting federal funding. >> martha: back in the '70s, they took away money from states that when do the 75 speed limit. >> and to raise the drinking age to 21. wanda is right, there are limits of the courts have set on the federal government using the power of the purse. although, when you get these grants, beef these justice department grants that they can cut off and will, they say that the city or county has to be in compliance with all federal laws. in order to get the money. it is not really an issue of if we the federal government want you to do x, y, and z and we are making you do it, it's more a question of the federal government telling you you are violating federal law and therefore, you don't get the

money. this is a little bit different example than the 55-mile an hour speed limit. i think it's gonna be interesting how this plays out. it's not just going to be money, because of the money denying the money isn't enough, then the justice department will sue some of these jurisdictions. the same way or sort of the mirror image of what obama did in suing arizona for trying to help enforce immigration laws. >> martha: we've been hearing so much about this infrastructure bill, that president trump wants very much, it may be wonder if you are in a sanctuary city and you have one of these projects, will that money be withheld as part of that, juan, what you think? >> i go back to the law as it is of written currently. you can't do that. you have to say it has some relationship to the area in which you believe that the local government is violating the federal law. if you were saying we are going to build a highway or a bridge, i don't see it. you can even do that in terms of

criminal justice money unless the program is specifically about in the mug immigrants and undocumented people. if that kind of limit is put in place, and will we see here is the start of what is going to be a very tense standoff i think between many of the big cities with their democratic mayors who back the sanctuary city status and from their perspective, is defensible and improves the quality of law enforcement in their cities. you have people who don't have papers who will now talk to police, deal with police, without fear that their neighbors or relatives may be deported once their immigration status is known to the police. >> if i can mak make a comment,e is right that is a beginning of a tense standoff. there is no evidence that having a sanctuary policy helps policing.

in fact, they've looked at jurisdictions where they instituted cooperation with federal immigration authorities. there was no drop in for instance reporting of domestic violence, no drop in hispanic reporting of crimes. this is an urban myth, quite frankly. there's no evidence whatsoever. because the police make clear that if you are a witness for reporting a crime, they are not interested in your immigration status. when they arrest people, scan their fingerprints when they are booked in, then if there is a hit on immigration's computer in washington, they hand them over to immigration. that's all that the immigration service is asking of the cities. >> i think the police know best, mark, they've said very clearly that they think it's a hindrance to good policing and law enforcement in our country. >> they are police chiefs are appointed by politicians.

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>> martha: tonight, president trump could be one step closer to implementing one of his most controversial ideas. what he calls an extreme vetting process for refugees entering the united states from several muslim countries. the president is supposed to sign a draft of which calls for a 120 day suspension of all refugee admissions, a permanent halt on acceptance of refugees from syria until matt has more clarity on it, and the blocking

of visas from seven countries at class the middle east and afric. what message this might send to the muslim world? >> are you at all concerned it will cause more anger among muslims around the world? >> there is plenty of anger right now, how can you have mo more? david, i know you are sophisticated guy. the world is a mess. the world is as angry as it gets. what do you think this is going to cause a little more anger? >> martha: joining me now, dr. charles krauthammer, fox news contributor. great to have you here tonight. what is your reaction to that exchange that we just played with president trump? >> i think trump is right. the left has been arguing obama during his eight years that we mustn't do anything to anger people abroad, particularly the

muslim world. he cited guantanamo, as a recruiting agent. 9/11 proceeded any of this. it's the height. i think the president is right. we don't calibrate our position by calculating how much anger it will cost. if we do that, we will end up doing nothing. we have to calibrate our response by what makes sense to keep americans safe. i think what is happening here is the president is trying to walk back the ban on muslims, the blanket he announced after the san bernardino massacre. it's clearly unconstitutional, unattainable and it would anger many governments who are cooperating with us. muslim governments. in the fight against the jihadists. this chapter policy, that are in

turmoil, with jihadist movements like libya, the red countries. libya, yemen, iraq, all of those are going to reconsider their policies and suspend the visas for now. the only thing that seems to me to be permanent -- there will be a reconsideration for 30 days from other countries, but that just means we're going to look at the policies as any new administration would. what looks to me to be more permanent now is the suspension of syrian refugees and the reduction of the total number from 100,000 which was the obama objective, two 50. that is unlikely to be reversed. >> martha: cut that number in half and if you go through the pieces of the scum of the idea though in this draft, many of them are things that already exist in immigration law. in order to protect americans,

we must assure that those admitted do not hold hostile ideas toward this country. anyone coming into this country has to sign as it is. a lot of this goes back to the porter idea that the president's rating, let's enforce the laws that are already on the book. >> i think it's quite ridiculous how the left has attacked the idea that if you ask people questions when they want to immigrate, when they want to be a part of our country, such as -- we used to do this in the ' 50s aunt '60s, the violent overthrow of the united states, it's a perfectly legitimate question, if your answer is yes, you're not coming in here. you may lie about it but you may have a history that would imply that you do want to do that. in which case, go home. if you want to overthrow our government, overthrow your own government. not ours. i don't think that those questions which are essentially

ideological, i do think there is one thing of this executive order that we hear is probably coming saturday. it was interesting and could be alarming. he is instructing the department of defense to set up state zones in syria. that was a good idea five years ago. when we had control, of the skies. the russians hadn't arrived and the asada government hadn't become a puppet. that is no longer true. setting up a safe zone is not going to be something we can simply say we're going to do and do it. by putting up a big apartment building. that is not what happens. i think it might pre-stage a syria policy that could be dangerous. >> martha: thought jumped out as me as well. the question, where is that safe zone? where do you find that spot. charles, thank you very much. great to have you with us. with the debate raising over

taking refugees from the middle east, a horrific story out of cleveland has now gotten international tension. three men have been arrested there accused of rating a young woman and streaming it live on facebook for three hours. now the nationality of two of those suspects is coming into question, trace gallagher on our west coast. trace. >> this happened about 40 miles out of -- police got several calls claiming they were watching a facebook live stream of two men sexually assaulting a woman. who appeared to be unconscious or intoxicated. when they arrived in the apartment they found three men and a woman, all three men were arrested. a swedish newspaper said the two men accused of the rate are afghan men. one is swedish. the nationalities of them is controversial because they are having a fierce debate over imaging back immigrants and

refugees. in sweden, this will be the second rate in three months involving afghan immigrants. in october, five afghan men were convicted of raping a teen. they were only given five years in jail. this facebook group can sub back many reported seeing the rape but many recorded it, no one has turned over a copy. police have not seen the alleged crime. legal escorts in sweden say that makes it tough to prosecute. >> in principle, allow this kind of punishing. possibly it could be a crime according to the law section or the act of illegal violence. as i said, the legislation make it difficult to prosecute. >> there reportedly was a second live stream where the suspect tried to force the alleged victim into claiming she had not

been. >> martha: joining me now, the draft that has been circulated, quite a bit like this, chief executive at the florida chapter of american islamic relations, good to have you with us tonig tonight. what are your thoughts? i do look at what you've heard so far, in this plan, what you think? >> his policies are bad for america. they simply appear to be among the first of many discriminatory policies that disadvantage america first and foremost, and heard fellow human beings after that. one of the greatest americans who passed away not long ago, steve jobs, is the son of a syrian immigrant. what would it be missing if we had not had steve jobs immigrate to america? >> martha: the point of this draft, it's not about permanently keeping people out of the country. it doesn't affect people who all are already in the country.

it talks about vetting properly. under the scenario you presented, nothing would have presented that person from getting into the country. >> that is exactly right, the scenario that we had, it works. refugees are the most vetted people in the world. it takes him about 24 months of betting before they are able to come to america. that's why statistically have a lot less crime, murder, coming out of refugees. statistically, the chances of being killed by a refugee is 1 out of 3.6 billion. >> martha: we've all seen the issues that are happening in europe, either so much concern to make it more difficult for the flood of refugees to go through. everyone is sympathetic to the needs of good people who want to leave their country. we all understand why they want to leave the country. just going some of this draft language, it says people would be blocked, their access blocked

if they engage in acts of bigotry, hatred, honor killing, violence against women and persecution on the basis of gender, race, and religion. >> of course, it goes far beyond that. it completely banned syrian refugees and potentially any immigrant -- >> martha: until the immigration process is refined to a point where the administration feels it is satisfactory. the underlying crux here is that you want to keep people out of the country who want to do harm or who are potential criminals. that is what everyone is talking about here. >> we all agree with that. >> martha: it's the same name. it doesn't any country want to do that? >> they do not make america safer, they just promote fear and hatred. the chances of being killed by your close burning is greater than your chances of being killed by an immigrant. the chance of view being run over by a railway car is greater

than your chances of being killed by an immigrant. >> martha: we protect from those things as much as we can. we want to protect from these issues is much as we always can. >> of these positions are too extreme. we don't lose who we are is that americans. we are a nation built on immigrations and diversities. we can only allow fear and hate to promote discriminatory policies. trump was on the record saying he wants to ban all muslims. it's scary, but thank you for having you. god bless america. >> martha: tonight, the democratic party that is bowing to stop at nothing to block president trump's agenda, notorious super pac agenda, impeachment is the only soluti solution. how that strategy can set democrats back even further, coming up straight ahead. >> in most areas, we are going

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>> martha: still developing, new reports servicing on how the democrats plan to deal with the trump administration. immediately after the election, some suggestions it was going to be an era of bipartisanship. the democrats had not only lost control of the white house, senate, and the house, and the last six years they were also in worse shape in state government than in any time since 1920. tonight, there's throwing caution to the wind and deciding that basically, they are going to dig in their heels and go to war with this new administration. dana perino, but first we go to ed henry, live in washington. hi, ed. >> remembered the endless gossip during the campaign? now it is democrats who are at war with one another, it is getting a little ugly. david rock, who ran the super pacs and back

hillary clinton, held a fancy florida retreat over the inaugural we can. he argued privately to the democrats, they needed to defeat president trump by trying to impeach them. in a 44 page confidential memo, one of his packs would be how to solve republican candidates. running as a republican candidate in the next four years painful. we will not only damage trump, but also the candidates who enable and support him. not all democrats are on board with the so-called resist movement. advisors of both hillary clinton and bernie sanders wishing he would simply disappear, it is actually hurting democrats. some of these liberal activists saying they wish he would disappear because they want to fight it out on issues, his ability to produce wins for democrats is simply nonexistent. brocbrock responded this not abt him, the goal should be to

defeat mr. trump, not one another. >> martha: thank you very muc much. cohost of the five, dana perino, hi, dana. good to have you here. so, and points out the battle. this is the division that -- decision democrats have to make right now. do they join? do they beat them or join them? >> he just mentioned this big donor conference, the big donor democrats, meanwhile what was happening across the country? the grassroots democrats had turned out, in major numbers all across the country, 850,000 people in los angeles, washington, d.c., was huge. new york, and where were the leading democrats? at a donor retreat in florida. they are missing the grassroots moment that they actually had a chance to turn things around

with. if they continue to follow the footsteps of david brock i don't think they will learn the lesson of 2016. this was within the democratic party. they still don't have a leader at the dnc, president obama is a little longer on the scene, he might come back a little bit but they're going to be in the wilderness for a while. i think the other thing that is happening is they are missing real good opportunity to have some input on it major policies that will affect all americans while they are at the doughnut retreat, fighting, republicans are having a really good retreat. i've heard great things from the members that were here today. >> martha: this grassroots movement that you talk about kind of has a tea party model to it. they are doing a great job of getting everybody's information, everybody has a contact number so they can start building that database and you look at what the tea party sort of moved forward. the establishment of donald trump in this election,

democrats should be looking at that model. if they really want to make a comeback. >> they have a choice. they can work against him, work with him, or stall. at some sort of combination of those. it's pretty interesting to me that there are things donald trump as for that the democrats have wished for for a long time. drug price negotiation, insurance companies, democrats wanted that for years. donald trump says he wants to explore that. why would they not on the merits that they like it, the infrastructure bank, they are not going to touch -- goat >> martha: he is actually giving them a lot of things they can turn the table on. they've decided to fight against the person, not the policies. i don't think it's sustainable in the long run. some of these red state democrats that are up for reelection, where a donald trump won big time, he's going to want to campaign for the republicans if they lose four senate

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>> martha: president trump's pick, steven mnuchin has faced criticism that he foreclosed on an elderly woman over a 27-cent receipt. there might be more reality to that story. trace gallagher has the fact-check for us, trace, what did you find out about this? >> mark twain once said a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth comes out. you don't have to tell that to steven mnuchin because he really got lambasted across the country that clearly was not true. it began from a political article that reads in part "one

west has taken steady fire from regulators and consumer advocates for a myriad failure in florida" over a 27 sent payment error. sure enough, the story was picked up by many other media networks and outlets, you get tens of thousands of results if you google this. an attorney who runs the senate for class action fairness, frank did some research and proved not only did steven mnuchin and his company have nothing to do with the home, the home was never foreclosed upon. in fact, the bank involved is having to pay the woman for her troubles. the untrue story stirred up an audible roar, the correction was largely taciturn. a line at the very bottom, the second foreclosure was filed in 2016, minute and had sold his

stake in one west and was on the board of cit, which really is kind of a complicated way of saying yep, we kind of screwed that one up. >> martha: trace, thank you very much. here to discuss this as a man who is well aware of what it's like to be part of white house administration, having served president george h.w. bush. johnson. just one example for steven mnuchin, we receive so many of these cabinet nominees, raked over the coals. the foreclosure king he was dubbed. he would prefer that panel and said what we really did was to help people work some of those loans out and keep them in their home. >> what prompts the press to do this is a couple of things. the desire to be first even if they are not correct. and they are willing to do that. number two, a desire to hurt the

trump administration and its nominees and the third point i think is what people often forget, the press is stupid. can you imagine believing that a 90-year-old woman with a 27 sent that was foreclosed on? it just boggles the mind you would think that somebody in that court would reach in -- it if even came to the court, somebody would certainly reach in their pocket and put the money on the table. for "the new york times" amongst those that you talked about, to have printed that? shame on them. they have seen their best days long long ago. >> martha: so much discussion about fake news. not checking the facts and a story like that that has branded him in that way is a good place to start. i want to talk to also about some of the shifting that we've seen. you've been in the white house as everybody knows, chief of staff, but we saw today was the exit of a number of individuals of the top echelon state department. some of this is some of this

natural turnover. in other administrations have stayed on in these positions to sort of help the administrative wheels, we also saw the head of the border patrol who was a former member of the fbi leave. the early news was donald trump wants to build a wall and he would leave it that happens. now it looks more and more as if the file wasn't too happy with him in the first place. your thoughts? >> you're seeing people t that n the last eight years exhorted the policies of that the administration. it's good riddance. there is nobody at those levels that are indispensable. they are easy to rest place. there are dozens and dozens of good people, qualified to do that. it makes it easier for the president to staff, at a homelad security, at the border patrol with people who are completely

coincident with his agenda. let them walk out as fast as they want. >> martha: john sununu, good to see you, sir. we will be right back. us. about some personal touches in the oval office. when we come back. g new cars.

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>> martha: so ed henry was going to join us and stop by for the goodbye but he is now busy getting ready to host "tucker carlson tonight." we are learning this week that president trump has chosen some artwork for the oval office. so one the newest editions is a freshly hung portrait of old hickory. also known as andrew jackson. no doubt jackson and trump share a passion for striking when the iron is hot and shaking up the status quo. so tonight we leave you with this thought that could have easily come from the art of the deal but comes from the twice elected president andrew jackson. and here it is. take time to deliberate but when the time for action arrives, stop thinking and go in.

that from the soldier's statesman's 7th president on this 7th day of the trump presidency. we'll see you back here tomorrow night, everybody. have a good night. ♪ ♪ >> bill: o'reilly factor is on. tonight. >> the hour of justice for the american worker has arrived. border security is a serious, serious national issue and problem. >> bill: donald trump saying tough security measures will help all americans and that includes the border wall. but dissent continues. tonight, talking points will analyze. ♪ chanting] >> bill: what is behind the almost nonstop protesting? we have been looking into that question. >> yes. i have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house. >> wow. >> that's