bill. jesse: thank you. ♪ >> tom: welcome to "red eye." hello, everyone, i am tom shilule. let's check in with tvs andy levy. andy? >> coming up on the big show coming to democrat seeks advice how to talk to real people. here is an idea for start by not picking a murder cyborg is your nominee. new wearable tech keeps a track of your kid does. and finally, a new study says that -- i assume the study that cap owners are much more smarter than dogs. back to you, tom. >> tom: thank you, andy. let's welcome our guest. she married a comedian.

author of "black-market billions: ," hitha herzog. he spent a week in north korea. that's how much he loves parades. observer: this michael malice. the only bloodshed he enjoys is from his bleeding liberal heart. award-winning little satirist and liberal hunk john devore. [laughter] and he hosts the fantastic talk show. i mean, it's no -- but what is? sitting right next to me is the host of "anticolonial" on compound media, and denny anthony cumia. let's start the show. donald trump has divided the country. there are people who like him and people who really like him. this man in texas falls into the latter category. brian cooper williamson got trump's name tattooed on his

neck, because he explained it's the one place where people can't mess with it. >> i put this on my front yard, they will vandalize my house. i put a sticker on my truck, they will screw up my truck. come vandalize me. that's all i've got. >> tom: makes sense. [laughter] he probably displays the ink proudly. >> a little old ladies are like, i love my 40. it will be like that, you got this. oh, my lord. >> tom: i have no idea what he's saying, but i love it. goober sees a lot of himself in trouble. >> he's not the most politically correct person. i'm not the most -- right is right, wrong is wrong. and if it ain't right, make it right. >> tom: he's pretty passionate. but how about people who are more committed to trump? they are called proud boys. clinical introduced us to the group which is led by an intriguing fellow named kevin mcinnes. >> these are the proud boys.

launch this past fall by vice media finder gavin mcginnis who calls it a western chauvinist fraternal organization we are proud boys celebrate their male identity and the poor feminists and islam. members can but speak in the group by getting -- by wearing the word proud boys on their body and attending regular meet ups. in a september manifesto and billing the group, mcginnis explained that quote the exact details, it consisted of fighting, and reading aloud from pat buchanan's "death of the west." >> the time for apologies is passed. >> tom: last week the group was in d.c. for inauguration. i trust there were no altercations? >> on thursday, a dozen numbers of the group pulled into washington to celebrate the inauguration of donald trump by poor ball and national press club escorting attending the woman who had been threatened and getting in scuffles along

the way. mcginnis licked the man's face face. >> he just licked me. >> he licked me! >> police... police! [laughter] >> tom: as you know, the group is famous for its annual new york city proud parade. anthony, have you heard of this gavin mcginnis and his proud boys? >> focus full disclosure, i employ him him. i am the president of compound media and he has one of the shows on there. i've had a lot of experience with him. >> that means you are a proud boy? >> no, i have not joined the club. i haven't beat him up like that. but i know gavin for quite a while. can i say? that [bleep] crazy? >> tom: i think you can. >> my first curse ever on the show.

>> tom: he's nuts. i love him. he's got more courage than anyone i know. he speaks his mind. which is still needed right now, i think. >> tom: to speak your mind, right! political correctness gone. >> john devore welcome back to the show. >> thanks, tom. it's a pleasure to be come back. >> tom: what are you talking about? this is a real group. a lot of people think these proud boys that it's some kind of a joke, but i will tell you. gavin, you know, and anthony will say, he does believe in what he -- he said his western chauvinist organization. >> right. look. i was "maxim" magazine editor for years. i'm cool with a bunch of burros who want to hang out and drink beer, make out, whatever. if these proud boys don't want to serve the country, they can join a little boy called called the united states marine corps. i think they should. it did wonders for my brother. >> tom: your brother was in the marines quick to make >> yes, he was. i was not.

but whatever. again, they want to make a difference. they should enlist. >> tom: can gavin still do that? >> i know gavin can. but his boys can. >> tom: michael, what do you think of this organization? >> i've been on gavin's show on wednesday, full disclosure. i hang around some of these people all the time. between you and me, this is just being gay, right? they are like, yeah, kind of. if you talk about his book, he rented out a house with him and his dad and all his buddies and they are all drunk and they are all making out with each other. his words. the book is called "how to kiss in public." we talk about a slippery slope toward fascism in this country. part of that slippery slope is homoeroticism. just sitting around reading pat buchanan, i'd rather they be having sex with each other.

>> it depends on what your definition of is. >> does buckley do it for them? >> really, buckley is a border r killer. >> is of the first rule of proud boys is told, what is it, not talk about it? the second rule, sorry everybod everybody. >> the first rule is no james. >> to your point, free speech. whatever he wants to say. if stuff were to really hit the fan and i were in trouble, i don't think that these guys would necessarily be out there saving my life for rescuing me. i could probably turn to some of the heroes out there that i met in army garrison when i was in germany talking to some of our army, our soldiers out there. they don't seem like people that would actually go out and -- or i would want to go to to try and help or say. they seem like a bunch of -- actually, they seem like a whiny

guys. >> tom: they were complaining, they were down there to celebrate the inauguration because they tend to be, i think they fall a little bit on the approach outside on the pro-trump side. >> it's more about, hey, this is what the majority of just guys guys feel. they don't feel like they should have to be politically correct. they should be able to talk about what they want to talk about like the old days when he used to go into a garage and get your car repaired and the guy had naked lady pictures in the toolbox. >> tom: yet! >> that's the good old days. >> 100% they should be able to do that. women should be able to go out there and protest and speak their minds as well. >> i think they were able to do that. >> i think men should be allowed to sit in their apartments alone staring at blank walls. >> that happens to. >> that's what i do. >> what do you think about the tattoo guy?

i think there's a lot of guys out there who are attached they are expressing themselves, they feel like they were finally able to express themselves and transamerica. >> two things. i don't think politics is therapy or feelings were football i don't like anyone who loves their politicians. but in that case case, it's not a big enough pond it's not a big enough to find. he should be doing trump across the entirety of his neck, it should be bigger. >> i think he did that on purpose. i think he did that on purpose because i did the math. you know how much it costs to take off the tattoo? procession, is $500. that's about 13 sessions he'd have to go in there. it would be almost 5000-$6,000 for him to get that off. this is by the way the equivalent of the stamp from 1999. the stamp. >> i think that's good, because it looks like a little choker.

>> tom: moving on. senate democrats are learning how to talk to "real people." they are trying to learn it for like witch. on thursday, ten democrats who are facing election contests that state that trump won gathered in west virginia to discuss how to better reach the forgotten men and women of america. today's agenda includes seminars like speaking to those that feel america feel invisible in rural america. listening to those who feel unheard. and learning to love toby keith's music. [laughter] that last one wasn't real but the other two are. the dems also had speakers with trump voters with senator manchin -- why do democrats need these kind of seminars? >> there is no pretense that they are going to listen to these people and actually represent them.

what they doing is we are still going to get over on our evangelical progressivism, but we have to convince them using their terminology that we are on the same team. the jig is up, they don't control the mainstream press anymore, and now they have no idea how to get over in terms of their propaganda. >> interesting. hitha, it's true. they've had problems mitigating. it's not just liberalism. they have problems communicating with that cultural out of new york l.a. american and do you think, like michael does, they aren't going to be able to do it? >> no, they are not. i feel establishment dnc is done. when you have a group of -- i keep going back to these women's march, but there were a lot of people out there. i was down there. i was in new york on saturday. when you had that many people on the ground grassroots getting passed pissed off and the two cultures are trying to raise in the dnc have no idea what everyone is doing out there protesting, you have a problem. of course you need seminars on how to talk to their

constituents. they have no idea. yes, they are trying to target these states that really need to swing over to the democratic side in their eyes, they don't even know that their supporters are out there protesting. i need to be out there with them and they are not. >> tom: devore, you're one of these people. i want to pay you a compliment. people like you could talk, you could talk to average americans. you could go down to west virginia. i feel if you could talk to these guys in the john deere. why can't your average democrat do that. >> i have the greatest debt an average american. >> here is what i think is the real love story. republicans should pay me to teach them how to talk to the middle class without lying that they care about the middle class, because they don't. the g.o.p. is about one thing and one thing only, that's redistribute wealth from working

class people to the very rich. >> speed seven i thought you were going to tell me how the democrats can change... [laughter] >> let's talk about the people in power. the democrats are fumbling about. >> tom: what is it, anthony? is intangible trump lives in a golden tower, and yet he connects with the guy who was joe sixpack, so it's not about, you know, wealth and -- >> he's a businessman who obtained the highest office in the land without having to go through the system of getting to that point and then going so many people, the favors, the cronyism and all that. so now he speaks and tells the majority of the middle class americans -- believe me, i was laughing my ass off.

>> i'm listening to you! you are exactly what the democrats were doing -- >> you are wrong. >> i will tell you why you are wrong. >> it has nothing to do with the fact that -- >> donald trump is not a businessman. donald trump is joe pesci in "casino." >> he speaks the language that's not even seven grade level? no offense. >> again, the elitist seventh grade level. trying to talk to middle america. >> news is supposed to be read at the seventh-grade level. that's not elitist. >> if you have to raise your voice, you are telling the truth. >> wait a minute, he hitha what is the answer if it's not businessman credentials that speak to americans, what is it? i think it is that he speaks regular, plain english. >> he is everyone's, like, uncl

uncle. they are our father, their grandfather that has this hope of making america great again. >> successful billionaire uncle... >> it's not the billionaire. it's not the money. it's the way he centered himself. everyone has that guy in their family or does that guy that's just the average man that wants to make america -- he wants to better himself. that's who he relates to. and the way he speaks. it's very average. that's not a bad thing. and it's not elitist. >> tom: we are moving on. nasa has unveiled their new spacesuits, and it couldn't be more blue. astronauts will wear the updated outfit on the mission to the international space station in 2018. astronaut eric bowe said in a prses release is that the most important part it looks cool. the most important part, the suits will keep you alive. that makes more sense. new features include an upgraded

helmet, sensitive gloves, and a cup holder. astronauts will also be getting special new boots for walking on the moon. is there any parents on the panel? >> wow. what are those quick smack >> space boots. >> okay. [laughs] >> tom: let me read. the logo notice that the suit looks very similar in 2001 a space odyssey. the great steven spielberg film. devore? >> i'm sorry for shaking the table. i love that spacesuit. i love nasa. you know why i love nasa? it's the closer we get the starfleet. and i love "star trek" ." >> tom: anthony, you're a "star trek" fan as well. >> i do. >> tom: you've always love "star trek," but what you think about our space program? it was very exciting in the

'60s. and now it's kind of lost its luster? >> it's lost its luster because, i don't know. people stopped dreaming about being in space. in this country, anyway. i hope his thumb can stick out like that so they can pitch the right with the russian spaceships because we don't have an actual spaceship to take you into space. and i hope the glass on the front can finally protect against that thing that grabs you. >> it's got that wonderful -- i think we are kind of gearing up, we are going to get back into space. i think the problem was when we started working together with other countries, i liked it when i was in versus russia. >> i like the conflict, too. listen. that was when space became something that was really awesome and people really love it. but i have -- he's the person

who designed those original spacesuits for the movie is now the queens designer. he's been the queen designer of england since 1963. >> tom: it really? he designed the original spacesuits for what will be quick smack >> for "space odyssey." >> tom: "2001". >> first of all, if we had hillary would make the selection they being pensive. my dream is a boy, just a second, devore. >> -- is that some kind of mythical thing? >> i strike -- >> the thing with the lynyrd skynyrd flames on it. >> when i was a little russian boy, getting back on topic, i had two dreams. one was to be a cosmonaut and her goal was to crush my enemie enemies. what i think they should do in honor of david bowie dying this past year, mr. space odyssey,

they should've given it the powder blue suit, had the orange hair helmet. >> and the zigzags. the lightning bolt. >> thank you. >> i can't say the same. [laughter] >> tom: coming up, is it okay to find your kids? to find your kids? a childish debate whenenenenen

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the most powerful navy news, fox news channel. >> tom: want to monitor your child's every movement? now you can. with kiddo. kiddo is aware of all health and wellness device that helps parents keep track of their kids. think of fit bit meets "logans run".

since their updates till everything. for instance, if your child's stress level goes up, you will get an alert on your phone. sadly, you won't tell you the reason they are stressed, but it may have something to do with overprotective parents. [laughter] privacy advocates warned the device could be vulnerable to hacking and you may be signing your children's privacy away to the company that makes kiddo, good parents incorporated. they sounds nice. the hitha, what do you think of this? this takes helicopter hearing parenting to a new level? >> the kid wearing those bracelet in school, you are setting up your kid to be made fun of the rest of your life. basically being the of all jokes. like these guys, i'm sure, you made fun of these. >> are you kidding me? i would flay him alive. >> i'm just wondering. >> i think a wonderful wrist device would be cool.

i would be proud to wear it. >> it really looks goofy. >> it's your secret agent device. >> that sounds like that kid in the playground who got the sticks in the dirt and he has this magical world, but he's watching tv. some of those people grow up fine. >> i bet they do. >> some of them grow handsome. >> and well-adjusted. >> what do you think? you aren't going to stop parents from wanting -- [laughter] >> they want to know where their kids are! >> it really creeps me out. but, you know quick smack i don't know. i'm not a parent. i never will be. i don't think the human race should continue. but this is the trend. it's not about this app, it's about the future, every minute is going to be documented about our lives. this is a "blackmailer" episode

that actually happened. >> but you don't like it. anthony, right now, they don't let their kids out of their sight. you know what i mean? with this, with kiddo, maybe you can let your kiddo go down to the starbucks and get a hot chocolate. >> something like that? i see the opposite, though. this is not for good parents. this is for bad parents. that good parents know where thr kids are. bad parents, i'm sorry to say but casey anthony could have used this. she could have gone out, party, "all right, make it his home. great." but... >> tom: so you are making an argument for the app. if casey anthony had this, perhaps -- no >> tom: >> they were a ton d parents out there. >> still say you are taking care of your kids. >> you can say casey anthony thinks parenting is a problem,

though. >> maybe she's a bad example. >> not the most illuminating. >> don't be so hard on her. >> on who? >> anthony? know. i think we kind of agree. i want to go for the whole trip i i would stick it in my kids nt next. coming up, have time with andy levy and a brand-new episode of the "red eye" podcast is available appeared subscribe on itunes and on fox sports

>> tom: welcome back. try to find out what we missed from tvs andy levy over to the "red eye" news desk. >> it's friday, baby. goober gets a trump tattoo on his neck. -- i think that makes you a parent. [laughter] devore, did you call the marines a boy cult? >> no, i called the proud boys a boy cult. >> also, gavin is 46. the oldest you can be to join the marines i believe is 28. yeah.

hitha, you said if you were in trouble you wouldn't count these guys to save you. yeah, your name is p25 >> what does that mean! your name is andy, what does that mean? >> i would encounter those guys to save you. >> because of my former name? >> i just say things. >> i think they are gentlemen. >> when you put it that way, who doesn't love an old-fashioned german? they've got hats, monocle's. >> they aren't going to come over and pick me up and pick me up from a collapsing world. >> they aren't superheroes. [laughter] >> proud boys, not the justice league! >> if you've been with the armed forces, they are strong men and women out there. >> why are you trying to compete with the armed forces? >> they don't spell boys with a z.

devore, i'm with you on the guy with the tattoo. i think saying "thug font" is racist. >> you got for me. i think i'm going to have to go to liberal church and ask for forgiveness. >> i can say anything i want right now, can i? >> i think that's true. >> also, you live in liberal church. >> sure, if you think brooklyn is liberal church. >> pretty much. >> yeah, i know. senate democrats >> senate democrats want to talk to real people. malice, you said there is no pretense that they are going to change these people's views. isn't that a lot of politics? it's not about changing other people's views, it's about convincing them you share or at least empathize with their views quickly >> right despite their name, , the democratic party does not believe in democracy. they believe in an enlightened elite which frankly sometimes is the right choice.

>> [groaning] >> that was john devore having an orgasm. >> know... >> you are a proud boy. devore, you said that you want to teach them about lies. i would go and say the g.o.p. doesn't care about you. >> it's working! so far. it's been a week. give it two weeks. the revolution is coming. >> is a? >> i don't know. he's attacking our avocados. and if he comes for the avocado toast, all hell breaks loose. >> i think the revolution came in november. >> i think you are right and we are screwed. >> -- it really shows the disconnect that's going on in

the democratic party. it's almost like two different parties. >> completely. i don't even think -- that's what happened with the republican party four years ago. if that's what we have to anticipate in 2018 and going up to that 2020, then that's what's going to happen. democrats are going to be establishment, dnc, we are going to have this grassroots, i say because i democrats they aren't connecting. they need that, what is it, the education on how to speak to americans. >> they need to know how to speak to working-class americans. they just realized they existed. they didn't even know they were there. >> [groaning] >> please. >> devore, i don't know how you made it through that whole story without complaining about the term "real americans." >> it's such b.s. it's a party that has spent the past 40 years that party has done nothing but fight waters collect devising, they fought lower

taxes for people in the working class -- >> how crazy. >> right? >> his daughter gabbana glasses are getting all fogged up. >> it's just too much. >> please take that hat off, sir. >> i will take that hat off. >> announces new spacesuits -- that >> i just -- >> do we have that picture of the astronaut in the suit? did mike pence join nasa? >> good for him. >> tom, i know you purposely were kidding about 2,000 "2001" being a spielberg film, but i can't let it go. absolutely. that's not the one. >> are you sure he it wasn't directed by steven

spielberg? >> no, it's stanley kubrick. you said we don't have a spaceship to take us to space. starting next year specifically. that's what they say, 2018. they are like nascar right now. they've got going on a uniform, they got little patches. i like it. hitha, did you see that the person who designed the new spacesuits for "2001" now designs the queen's clothing? >> since 1963. >> are you sure about that? maybe he made it -- i think harry lange designed the spacesuits. >> but he also designed the queens clothes. >> harry lange is dead. oh, is queen the band? [laughter] some pretty odd things.

the kiddo app that monitors your kids. here is the first that's problematic with this. "tell the app about your child under gender, weight." you shouldn't be making gender decisions for your kid there in shame on you, kiddo. am i right, john? >> [laughs] >> um... i'm going to agree with you on one thing. i don't have kids -- >> i hate you. you twisted my words! you are a devil. >> which ones that i twist? >> the ones i misspoke. [laughter] this is basically a fitbit or apple watch for kids, right? what's the big deal. >> sure. >> cumia, you said this is for bad parents, godparents nor their kids are. again, i don't think this is a

tracking device as much as it is a health thing. it measures their temperature. >> sure. just like -- >> that was a tracking device. >> it's convenient. >> you don't have to put money in the tollbooth, and all of a sudden devore is telling divorce court, "yeah, i was there." [laughter] >> that thing is straight up surveillance tech. >> oh, hell yes. >> you need to wrap that thing up in tinfoil. >> i am done. >> tom: thank you, andy. getting buff in the buff.

powerful use, name in the news, fox news channel. >> tom: please wipe down the equipment after use. that request has never been more urgent. failure next month, a personal trainer in the uk launched a new exercise class. the hour-long session includes jumping jacks, sit ups, push-ups, and something called partner work. helen smith started the class when she discovered there was nothing else like it that she told a reporter that the main benefit of exercising naked areas you can really see what the instructor is doing in the exercises. you also don't have to think about washing the sweaty gym clothes after the class, and it is a great way to celebrate the

body. i may get in hot water for saying this, but i think it's a kooky idea. hitha, do you think this could take off in the u.s.? >> hell no, unless there's men . >> you would think that a naked class, the guys would go to gawk at the girls. but hitha that girls would go to gawk at the hot guys. >> super, super hot guys. guys would go for threes and wars fours, a girl would need a 10 or over. their gluts look terrible. >> look at the teacher. the teacher is pretty hot, devore. no wonder -- you've got to look at the body.

i think this woman, she likes, you know, getting up in front of folks naked. >> i've been doing this for years. >> what? >> i've been doing this for years. by exercising naked. i exercise in my apartment, i exercise in the gym locker room. you know. it helps me open up my body. i'm not ashamed of my body. i'm sleek, i'm a panther. >> wait a minute! for a guy, it's not efficient. guys shouldn't have it hanging out. it's not good for the exercise. >> no, no, no, sir. you've got to let it hang out. it's god's pendulum. you've got to let it hang. you've got to let it be free. you've got to breathe through your butt hole. >> michael malice... they are nudist people. they liked being.

it doesn't matter if it's exercised or not, they are exhibitionist. >> i'm the only one in the stage right now who took a long time to get there. >> really? [laughter] >> you don't know, girl. >> i do know and i can tell you better than i can show you. >> we all have abs, michael. we just don't wash our shirts on them. >> i don't wash clothes, i'm not a lady. an immigrant lady. >> oh, my god... >> cardio is a race of time and if you want to exercise you should weather if you're a man or woman you've got more muscle mass sitting on your ass watching tv in the locker room. >> i completely lost what he was going to say. i didn't understand. >> immigrant women are the ones -- >> no, not that. >> that's totally wrong. >> it is good --

>> when you are lifting weights, you are doing both and your muscles are bigger and they burn calories just sitting there. but do you really want in in ad they can gym guy spotting you behind you when you are right there quick smack >> . >> no! >> let's all get naked. >> we are going to give an iq test right after the break.

>> tom: coming up on the next "red eye" ," " ♪ who is smarter, cats or dogs? new research reveals that they are both dumb! actually, they are both smart as well. researchers in japan testing 49 house cats and found they perform just as well as dogs at various memory tests. cats also showed they were able to respond to human gestures among facial expressions, and emotions. here is one of the cats in the study. >> [singing in foreign language]

[laughter] >> i love it. >> see? highly intelligent. michael, what was she saying click click was that russian? because she was saying stuff about the holocaust and how is a good idea. >> it sounded like nonsense tal talk. >> it's nursery rhymes. >> everybody thinks dogs are smarter, the study says not to believe it. >> memory is not equivalent to intelligent. just because -- 20 bees have a good sense of memory. how many iterations does it take for this animal to perform a task you taught it, and by that measure dogs always won. >> you came prepared for the answer. but you are a cap person. you know they are smart. >> jeez. i don't think they are smart, i think we mistake instinctual things that they have done for millennia for intelligence. everything they do is that we go, while back, that's so smart.

it hearkens back to hunting, mating, something like that. and we're like, he loves me. stop. >> you know, devore -- >> i don't like cats. i like dogs. >> wait a minute! you shouldn't even be a liberal. >> i love drunk. you know who never had a dog? double trouble. because he's not a quality human being. >> i'm going to break the tie here. our dogs and cats are equally intelligent? >> i think cats are more intelligence. >> more! >> listen, our family cats saved our cousin from a fire in the house. >> that's weird, your family cap is a proud boy. [laughter] >> i was going to say that my cat is not a proud boy. >> the dog started the fire, too. >> save the food... >> michael made the most sense. it's true that whatever they were testing on this, it's not necessarily intelligence.

i don't see cats and fetching and getting sticks and all those good things. hitha herzog, michael malice, john devore, and anthony cumia. that does it for me, tom shilule. takenine * is

coming up. is judge jeanine: right now on "justice." >> this is about being fair to the american people. judge jeanine: i visit the white house for a revealing one-on-one interview with counselor to donald trump, kellyanne conway. her role in public service, a mother, and a mother in the white house. >> it turns out there are people who have problems with women in power, and many of them are women. judge jeanine: we'll talk about her boss' flurry of activity this week. extreme