the year. i do own it. dagen: bull or bear? >> i will bull on it. dagen: jonas, your prediction? >> nordstrom may backfire because they still sell the stuff even though nordstrom doesn't. dagen: john. >> amazon effect. bear. dagen: thanks. >> all right. well, look who is leveraging where he is living. i'm neil cavuto, president trump donald trump using every inch of the white house to get down to business and in the state dinning room. to signing orders in the oval office. to rolling out his supreme court pick in the east room. you get a sense of that house? he does too, and he hopes it wows you. even giving a sneak peak of his own air force one. it is meant to wow. it is also meant to impress.

and it is also meant to get folks' attention. charles payne and gerri willi willis. been steyn and kennedy. they'll be joining us next week. charles payne, to you first and making sure you really leverage that real estate. >> and another superlative will be to intimidate as well because that house does that as well. listen, we've heard union leaders walk out of there, men say we were never invited, we felt the presence of it, you see business leaders saying the same thing. and it does get things done. i think that having the cameras there, having the lights in the world looking at you, with the, you know, the highest position in the world, it works. it's been working out very well. we saw the most recent of that this week with lockheed morning saying, yeah, we're going to bring down the price of the planes.

that ceo has made that trek more than once. neil: there's month ago more amazing than going to the white house, whether you like the occupant or not and a lot of the folks who visit are kind of wowwed. >> but you can't but be there. i've been to the oval office. you're just predisposed to say "yes." neil: i like to take stuff. what happens to the suitcase? where did it go? gary obviously part of the strategy here is to remind people who's in charge. but also to invite them in to this new world order. and to help the public as well see him in that light. does it work? >> oh, heck, yeah. look, politics is about marketing and sales. and if anybody knows about marketing and sales, it's donald trump. and something that charles says is very important. you feel great whether you are on his enemy list or his favorite list.

you feel great when you're in the white house, and you now feel part of a team. and that's what trump's trying to do. i was amazed when the people from the union are saying "oh, we like what we have to say." that is part of this whole marketing team that he is going to, and i think it works, and it works well. neil: there are traditional things presidents do. they sign executive order and memoranda and executive actions. i'm frankly not a laura, i don't know the difference of any of the above. i do know what makes this president different is that he is doing it in, like, a different way. not that you see any of this stuff and hear about it. but you actually see the signing and explains what he's doing. it's sort of like the storybook hour, you know? and explaining what he's doing. is there a value in that or could that boomerang on him? >> well, first of all, of course there's a value to it. and if you go to the white house, and you're not awed by the experience, then you're not a normal person. and probably not a patriotic america.

but, yes, neil it could boomerang. you know, the president think so that every -- think so of things like they are a reality television show because that's what he knows. so having the supreme court nominee come out from behind the curtin, i mean, it's fine. it's harmless. but, yes, he could take it too far. i could easily see that. and it wouldn't look good if he does take it too far. neil: now, i know you weren't born but john kennedy use his office and the like or if ronald reagan was the first to do outside in the rose garden or just pick and choose? >> no. neil, i agree. i won't say a bad word about using the white house and the majesty of the presidency for full effect. it's great. all presidents do it. he does it in his own, unique way. neil: he's always a gentleman. do you notice that, charles? >> i try. neil: it's part of just

letting folks know he's in charge. no one doubts that. but it's also the groups with whom he's met. and, again, it includes everyone as jerry's saying from the union guys to the pharmaceutical guys to the wall street guys. some folks have never had a chance certainly with the prior president to be wined and dined and corded the way they are. >> it's the moste eclectic list sometimes. one day we're going to talk about people in the black community, black history month. and then we'll have people from this area and that area. but what i think is interesting, and i thought about it with that, you juxtapose how often we saw president obama using the white house. and he did it for things he thought was really important like signing obamacare. and it was a big spectacle snoops when you use it, then if the president -- the new president, president trump is using it every day, essentially he's saying i think all of these issues are as important.

i think all of these constituents are as important. and i think that's a big deal. i think that's what this election was all about. everybody and everyone's thoughts. neil: but can you be spread too thin? >> well, i do think things are most comfortable. it's a real give and take. those business leaders practically come out with palm palms, they're very excited; right? but with some groups he's more stiff. but seeing him open up the doors to the white house, it's really inspiring. neil: you know, gary, on one of the things he's saying, i want to talk about all the various groups he's been there. keep in mind he has been there for two weeks. it could lead to a flurry, a vision as well when you're dealing with so many different groups and so many different opinions concurrently, and it's all on live tv, and you're explaining all of these executive actions, some like you have to dial back yourself, like the travel order, et cetera, that you

might the day that you're leveraging. >> that's where experience better come in and that's where the people that speak for him have better do a good job. there are has been a lot of confusion in recent days. you can see it in markets where one day we're hearing they're not doing anything financial and the next day they are and all the stocks go higher. they've got to get away from the from the confusion and get things more in order. if they do that, things will be just fine. neil: one thing i'm not surprised at -- the words of a president matter. so when he was saying on friday, you know, i haven't forgotten about tax cuts, i haven't forgotten about moving quickly on this health care reform and replace. i'm paraphrasing here. the markets count certainly on the tax cut part of it and made a good day and made it better. but many of these confusing environments and mixed signals, that stuff matters, doesn't it? >> of course it does. and you brought up ronald reagan before.

and i think donald trump's biggest challenge is that, look, he's a very good communicator. i don't know if he's as good of a communicator as ronald reagan was. ronald reagan was relentlessly positive. his message was important. donald trump already has gotten himself in trouble as you pointed out by just sort of acting. and this is just not the job where you want to act quickly, necessarily, and i think he's going to learn that the hard way, and i hope it works out okay. >> he loves his tweeting. >> the clock's clicking, and it's called the next election cycle. neil: really? he's two weeks into this. >> i know. no like like the present. neil: gary, what were you going to say? >> i'm just saying he loves his tweeting. if ronald reagan was alive today, i'm sure he would be tweeting too but a lot smarter. neil: i don't think reagan would be tweeting. >> i'm not sure. neil: i don't know. [laughter]

ronald reagan impression there. in the meantime the mainstream media is up on the president's tough phone call with australia's prime minister. but is the real big deal, the really bad deal that they were discussing that was apparently news to the president of the united states? after this. >> today on fox, violent protesters trashing uc berkeley stopping a conservative from speaking on campus. president trump suggests he will cut federal funds if the college can't cut order and freedom speech for everybody. should he? plus why the supreme court justice could be the best pick for businesses and workers. we'll explain at the top of the hour. we'll see you then

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. >> this is a fox news alert. i'm elizabeth. saturday state department will now allow people with valid visas into the u.s. after a judge put a hold on president trump's executive order on a travel ban. the department of homeland

security also saying it will stop flagging passengers from countries that were part of the original executive order. also, the white house saying it will file for an emergency stay of the judge's ruling. white house press secretary sean spicer says the executive order is quote lawful and appropriate. and a show of defiance from iran as it holds a massive military exercise. the drill coming one day after the white house imposed new sanctions on iran for a recent missile test. state media saying iran testing missiles as well as cyber warfare programs. iran saying the exercise is to quote showcase the power of iran's revolution. i'm elizabeth now back to cavuto. >> when you hear about the tough phone calls i'm having, don't worry about it. just don't worry about it. they're tough. we have to be tough. it's time we're going to be a little tough, folks. we're taken advantage of by every nation in the world virtually.

it's not going to happen anymore. neil: sounds like a mob tone to it; right? don't worry about the tough phone calls. all right? anyway talking tough. taking a lot of heat for talking tough. president trump with a phone call with australia's prime minister. more than 1,200 refugees in their country that they could come to our country was new to the president. he didn't know it. didn't like it, and he let -- well, i guess know it. gary says that is the real outrage here. so. >> well, look, -- neil: a legitimate ticked off point; right? >> yeah, look, according to the media, everything obama did was a good deal and everything trump did was a bad deal and this was an 11th hour deal and what is trump going to do? just like any good president, he's going to look it over and see if it's right for the country, and he obviously has a different opinion. and if you think about it, if

these refugees are so good, why doesn't australia keep them? and if this is so bad, why do we have to take them in? it's an amazing story to watch. and, by the way, if this was the other way around, the media would be going crazy on the leak. neil: jerry, we do know that. someone leaked this. >> again, here's the problem. obama before he left, he put a lot of little surprises in for donald trump to find. and there were things that would be right in the face of donald trump's policy. neil: now, we're told that this did come up in a donald trump had a heads up on it, but it might have been one of these security briefings that he skipped out on. i don't know. that was, like, one of their little jives. but what do you make of it? >> but let me give you another example because there are probably six or seven of these that came as surprises to donald trump. one of them is signing all of these people up for obamacare at the last minute. now, you think about this, the administration got behind that sign up; right? so what were they thinking? are they burnishing his legacy? they're certainly not looking out for the people because the people could have lost that coverage. do you understand what i'm saying?

neil: no, but i'm not going to argue. >> sorry. neil: i'm kidding. i'm kidding. charles payne. >> you know, here's the deal. australia's prime minister watched our elections very closely. he knew exactly where candidate trump stood. when he cut this deal with barack obama, he knew he was going against the new president. neil: i'm told the deal came up in the discussion prior to the phone call with the president didn't know about it. >> which president? neil: our president. >> president trump? neil: yeah. >> i'm saying will cut this deal -- neil: i understand that. so that's when it -- >> that's why donald trump was upset. now, here's the thing. the fake news was that he slammed the phone and the call ended that way. both president trump and said no. neil: we slammed the phone down together. >> exactly. neil: the point of how different it's going to be if you have a phone call to president trump, and you're even a friendly leader from a friendly country or he doesn't like something, i get diplomatic speak is not going

to be there. now, we learned later times, and sometimes decades after a presidency that audio of phone calls come out where it gets nasty. and i certainly heard a few of those of jfk or lbj. this i guess we're hearing in realtime. but what do you make of it? >> well, whatever was said, we know it was bad enough that john mccain felt it was necessary to try to clear the air. and, you know, neil, you're a wonderful mimic. i think it's really funny when you do the mob thing or when you do the ronald reagan thing. i don't think it's funny when the president of the united states sort of plays down his lack of willingness to act gracefully or with tact. neil: why should he? >> i understand your point, and he should be because he's representing the greatest country on earth, and i think that's a huge responsibility. neil: and i could actually see that point because we're so used to the other way it being with republicans and democrats, it's a point i'll raise with gary.

gary within do you think that inherit in this job is a sort of diplomatic speak and a way to carry yourself, especially with leaders of western allies? >> look, there should be some -- a way about you when you are discussing other leaders and other things around the country. around the world. but, look, there are has been a leak here. and i can promise you. there's been plenty of tough talk between president of the united states and other countries throughout the last 100 years. this is not new. my bigger point, again, is that the media would be having fits over this right now and trying to investigate who did it and go after that person if it was obama. instead it was trump, and they're rejoicing about it. neil: i would worry then that there are other surprises trump is unfamiliar or genuinely kept out of the loop prior. there could be other phone calls like this. and then some. >> well, i hear where adam is coming from but, you know, he said that the president represents america. well, when someone deliberately

tries to shaft americans, you know, why beat around the bush? you know, listen, -- neil: because adam is a nice guy and there's a diplomatic way to deal with it. and. brian: but that's why -- but adam -- not adam. tried to pull a fast one. neil: so did adam. >> and president trump called him out on it. bottom line. by the way, that's the new york way, adam. you guys are nicer in san francisco but in new york, someone tries to shaft us, we don't play around with that stuff. neil: and also talk a lot with your hands and just say, hey. hey. i'll lep you later, buddy. but there's only so much i can do in a half hour show. all right. it worked in wisconsin but will it work in washington? the white house looking to have a badger state broke up the power of its public unions, and it sounds like federal unions were just put on notice z28cnz zwtz

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neil: the white house is talking to wisconsin's republican governor scott walker about how he took on public unions and his state and won. now, a lot of folks say that he weakened the collective bargaining power to save taxpayers money. no matter where you stand on this, charles, you say if we take it nationwide, it would save taxpayers everywhere a lot of money. >> i think it would. i think there's a reason why public sector unions are hanging in there in the private sector they've all but disappeared. it's a honey pot. it's a self-serving money machine at the expense of taxpayers. they cut themselves these amazing deals, and they're allowed to represent themselves in a way that seems

really dumb in many ways. so if they can replicate the success that walker had in wisconsin, i think taxpayers would save a lot of money. >> it's not just about saving money, though. the kids in wisconsin are getting a better education. there's a better outcome because of this policy because they're rewarding teachers who are doing a good job. so there are benefits several ways. not just one way. and i would love to see it carried out on a bigger scale. neil: you don't like where this is going, though, adam do you? >> no, i don't like to see the erosion of collective bargaining. it's probably a good thing that we've had for many, many decades. i'll say i see a fascinating conflict coming, though. if president trump tries to go after federal workers, these are a lot of people. a lot of voters. his political instincts are going to be very cautious there i think. neil: there is that possibility, gary, but obviously sending a signal, you know, scott walker to help do what he did there nationally. what do you think?

>> he's sending a signal. it's our money. and it's time we have accountability everywhere in government, including government pay. all i can tell you is that there should be something called merit pay. in my world, i get paid if i do well, if i don't do well, i get less paid. the same should go for federal workers. neil: i'm a little annoyed because i found out other anchors here are paid, and it's not going to go down well, guys. charles payne, the issue that comes up here what we have you want to call it, then people who do not want to be part of that let's say in public unions still benefit from agreements that the unions scored. and those unions, seemingly we can go back to that's not right, to get our hiney off to get the pay packages and these people don't want to be part of us can take it with us.

>> yeah. that's one of the remaining selling points for them. but you can also think of the damage that unions do, particularly in economic times when you can't hire somebody because someone in a union seniority is making two or three times than they should. it's a double-edged sword. neil: where do you think it should go? >> it has to go somewhere because the cost for these unions are too much for the state and federal government. neil: thank you very much. enjoy it? >> it was okay. neil: always so dignified about it. with valentine's day coming up, a gnaw survey show that people care less about looks and more about money when picking a partner. now our guys are picking stocks that will make you absolutely resistible. who's he? he's green money, for spending today. makes it easy to tell you apart. that, and i am better looking. i heard that. when it's time to get organized for retirement, it's time to get voya.

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