you want my opinion? they are lazy, a bunch of ideologues that are out of touch with people on food stamps and out of work. go to facebook.com/seanhannity facebook.com/seanhannity, @seanhannity on twitter. we'll see you tomorrow night. >> bill: "the o'reilly factor" is on. tonight... >> they are saying that you are anti-muslim, anti-black. does it hurt your feelings that they are making you into a hater? >> how is president trump handling all the personal attacks that come daily has way? tonight, he will tell us. >> we had extraordinarily little opportunity to gather and present evidence. >> reporting the government for exactly the same thing. >> bill: a federal court of appeals right now evaluating whether it should resume the president's executive order on refugees. we'll have the latest. also ahead tonight, gutfeld and mcguirk on trump derangement syndrome. caution, you are about to enter the "no spin zone."

"the factor" begins right now. ♪ ♪ >> bill: hi, i am bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. we are live, waiting for the ninth circuit court of appeals to decide whether or not president trump's executive order constraining some refugees abroad will be allowed to go forward. deliberations are going on right now.ll the moment anything happens, you will know it. also, the "talking points" memo on president trump breaking big news in his interview with me will be in the second block this evening. but first, the final part of our interview with mr. trump. this time around, we focus on o the personal. >> bill: what is the most surprising thing for you about this job you have? you come from the private sector, no political office,

now you are the president of united states. what surprised you? >> president trump: i think the size, the magnitude of everything. so i was a very big real estate person. i build a building for $500 million or $900 million. and here, you look at an airplane contract where you can save $600 million on 90 planes. i saved more than $600 million. i got involved in negotiation on a fighter jet, the f-35. and, by the way, lockheed martin, great company. but they weren't bringing the price up. i got involved and saved more than $600 million. i was very proud of that. but the magnitude -- you can do that at every level of government.of my new thing is going to be pharma because we pay too much. we're the largest drug purchase in the world. they don't negotiate. >> bill: how many hours a day are you working?

>> i'm working long hours. right up until 12:00, 1:00 in0 the morning. >> bill: what time do you get up? >> president trump: 5:00. >> bill: and you are working after you have breakfast? >> president trump: i read the papers, i see what is going on, i take a look. i see the lies, the lies -- that is another thing. i always got good press, as a business guy, i got good press. >> bill: [laughs] i know. >> president trump: i have never -- i call it fake news. some of the networks and some of the papers -- the level of dishonesty, when they break a story, i know good from bad. they take something that should be a good story. in fact, sometimes, i say, thisg is going to be nice to read.t, i say, whoa. and they will purposely totally change it. it is fake news. >> bill: why are they doing that? >> president trump: well, because i am on the other side of the equation. they did it to reagan but not as much. >> bill: why? i don't understand. uk

>> president trump: i just think that it is the other side of the coin. they call themselves progressive, which is a beautiful word. but it's not true. >> bill: do you think -- >> president trump: i don't know. i don't think they like anybody on our side. >> bill: i have known you a>> lg time, and i know that when people attack you personally, that bothers you.ha so they are saying that you are anti-muslim. they are saying you are b anti-black. they are saying you are anti-poor. do you respond -- because you do come back? >> president trump: i always respond. >> bill: does it hurt your feelings that they are making you into a hater? >> president trump: no, because they always do it. the first thing they do with the republicans or conservatives is the racist card. they pull out the racist card. they always do. not just me. i mean, they do it with everybody. and i see that, and once you know that, you feel a lot better about it. >> bill: is there any validity y to the criticism of you that you say things you can't back up factually?

as the president -- you could do that as a candidate or businessman -- if you say for example that there are 3 million illegal aliens who voted and then you don't have the data to back it up, some people will say that is irresponsible for a president to say that. is there any validity? >> president trump: many people have come out and said i am right. >> bill: i know, but you have to have data to back that up. >> president trump: doesn't have to do with a vote, although, that is the end result, it has to do with the registration. when you look at the registration, and you see dead people that have voted, that are on many, many dead people that have voted, when you see people that are registered in two states that voted in two states, when you see other things, when you see illegals, people that are not citizens, and they are on the registration rolls. see, what they do is, they load up the registration rolls. there is a lot of bad things happening. t look, bill, we can be babies, but you take a look at the registration, you have illegals, dead people, this, it is reallyo a bad situation. it is really bad.

>> bill: you think you will be proven correct in that statement? >> president trump: i think i already have. a lot of people have come out and said i am right. >> bill: the data has to show that 3 million illegals voted. >> president trump: we have a lot of different -- you go to the voting booths and you see what was going on. but to get that -- forget all of that. just take a look at the registration. we're going to do that. i'm going to set up a commission to be headed by vice president mike pence, and we are going to look at it very, very carefully. >> bill: that is good. let's get to the bottom of it. do you ever think you were going to convince the media, the american media, to give -- i know that you don't feel you are getting a fair shot, okay, so -- >> president trump: you don't, either. i watch and you say -- it's the one you're not getting a fair shot. as you said, ideology drives thb news coverage and it shouldn't. news coverage it should be news coverage, not ideological. what i do, i am an analyst, i can do whatever i want. i have criticized you, and you

know it, and you come right back at me, and that is good. that is a good thing. but there are entities in this country that despise you and your administration. can you -- do you think you can ever convince them to take it down a bit? >> president trump: yes, i do. i think success will do that. i think jobs will doo that. i think companies coming back into our country will do that. yeah, i think i can. not all the way. i'll never get it all the way back. i was named, used to be man of the year, now, person of the year by "time" magazine. even on the cover, when they named it, they talked about the divided nation. i don't get is fair. maybe other people do think it is fair. i do think i can bring it back. i think success, jobs, lots of other things can bring it back. >> bill: last question. you get four hours of sleep or some crazy thing like that. when your head hits the pillow,l do you ever say to yourself, "i can't believe i am here? i cannot believe i'm the president of united states,ni when i wasn't a politician, i didn't start out this way, that wasn't my life goal"? does that ever come into your

mind? >> president trump: i must tell you, the other day, i walked into the main entrance of the white house. and i said to myself, "this is sort of amazing." then i walked into the oval office, which -- and i have had now the head of ford and general motors and all of these people, as they come to see me, i want to hear from them, and they walk into the oval office, they have beautiful offices, and they feel the same way. or you walk into air force one. it is like a surreal experience in a certain way. but you have to get over it because there is so much work to be done, whether it is jobs or other nations that truly hate us, truly, truly hate us and are looking to doo damage. you have to get over it. >> bill: mr. president, thanks very much for taking the time. next on "the rundown," "talking points" memo about the president breaking big news in that interview. then dana perino about if the turbulence in the white house and whether that is

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made deals with iran, even though the mullahs are big-time killers." so history is full ofom compromises, something that was not pointed out by the media in its rush to bash trump over putin. to me, the most important thing the president said in an interview was that he will hold iran accountable for aggressive actions. that is a huge difference from president obama, who did not want to confront iran. also, mr. trump will apparently punish sanctuary cities by withholding some federal funds. like the refugee deal, that wilt lead to court challenges and things will get nasty.le the far left will mobilize its protest apparatus that is organized now. the president will be labeled a bigot and on and on. however, i do not believe donald trump is going to back down from the sanctuary city deal. the other breaking news had to do with tax cuts, the president saying they will happen this year. also, obamacare, which looks like it will take a little bit

longer to dismantle than president trump originally thought.o all in all, a lot of news came out of a 36-minute interview. as "talking points" stated last night, the president was direct and confident in his position that drives the trump haters absolute mad. that is "the memo." joining us from chicago, dr. austan goolsbee, he said, most important. what say you? >> i thought that was interesting. i hadn't thought about the iran point as being the biggest news to come out of it. there was a lot of news, you're right, in 36 minutes. now, i have to go look at the transcript or watch it again. i thought on many of those he was not as determined as maybe you portrayed him. with the tax cut, you said, "is there going to be a tax cut" and he said something like "i certainly hope so" or "i think there will be," which "

thought was news making the other way of, wait a minute, it's not the first priority and it might not be this year. >> bill: when i was there, you get a feel for -- they are going to introduce the tax cuts soon. i think by the fall, there will be some definition on that by the debate will be how much, corporate versus individual, and all of that. but be that as it may, the thing that jumped out at you, in the entire interview as being important to the american people, was what? >> actually, they were two feelings that jumped out at me as most important. one was a thing i didn't like and the other was a thing that i am a little afraid for donald trump on. the one i didn't like was, he showed at numerous points, you kind of pressed him on, you are the president now, you got to be factual, you can't just shoot off, and you cited the 3 million illegal immigrant voters. and before that, you had asked him about the visas and he repeated again, this thing of, only 109 people were affected.

he kind of wasn't having it. he wasn't buying into your premise. and he has continued that, stating things that are demonstrably not true. and he needs to stop that. otherwise, we are going to be bogged down. >> bill: doesn't his history of hyperbole, you know, getting -- throwing things out there, explain that to some extent? and is it really important? >> yeah, well... >> bill: is it really important that he says 109 people were inconvenienced? i don't care about that, if it is 109, 250, 312.hu i think the media is hung up on this gotcha game. some things, he has to be factual about. >> you might be right but, bill, you know there is something to it. that is why you asked him about it. he was like, no, no, i was right. >> bill: i wanted him to explain what the line was. and he did. he said that in the 3 million,

it is registration, it's that the system is broken. that kind of thing. >> okay, that might be fair. but the other feeling i got is, having been through the white house experience at the beginning, i don't think donald trump yet understands that the first three months you are there, that is the most fun you are ever going to have as theyo president. >> bill: [laughs] i don't know if he is having a lot of fun. >> but we grind our presidents up. >> bill: you were there when barack obama was elected in 2008. you came in with him. >> yes, i was there. h >> bill: you are having a blast there, doctor? >> we were in a crisis. so, as i always say, i didn't go to washington for the fun, and i wasn't disappointed. but i will say, that was the most fun that we had. >> bill: you had to deal with the recession and a lot of the businesses failing, but you had

one advantage that donald trump doesn't a have. you had a very compliant media. very compliant. it was easy for you to succeed. >> that is why i am afraid for him. that is why i am afraid for him. the media slowly gets more and more cynical. they get tougher and tougher. >> bill: it can't get any more cynical than they are now. >> they already started tough on him.he i'm not disputing. they already started tough on him. i think, after three or four months, when you actually have to sit down and work through specifics, and you are done with the first three weeks, where you get to sign executive orders and you are doing exciting stuff, then they start saying, wait a minute, this tax rate is too high and, what do you mean you were going to take my loophole away. he will be fighting with congress, the media, it is not going to bee fun. he is not getting enough sleep. i mean, that was clear from the interview. >> bill: he has always been that way. he has always been a vampire in the sense that he doesn't go to sleep at night. i just think that is his physiology.

but i think your analysis is a fair analysis. i think you basically -- he is a man who is unique. but i don't think the press can get any worse. i disagree with you there. i don't think it can get any worse. you guys had a honeymoon -- a the obama people had a honeymoon. this guy came in with knives just coming at him every second. >> the honeymoon -- that is my point. that's exactly my point. >> bill: i think he is basically going to fight back with the tweeting.y i think that the media has lost a lot of prestige in this country. doctor, as always, thank you. directly ahead, bernie goldberg has some thoughts on that t massive reaction to the trump interview. then, later, gutfeld and mcguirk on trump derangement syndrome. those reports after these messages. z28cnz zwtz

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>> bill: "weekdays with bernie" segment. bring in the purveyor of bernardgoldberg.com.m. he joins us from miami. before the interview with the president, you said on this program that these super bowl chats don't usually amount to much. was this one different? >> i think what i said, at least last week -- in fact, i knowla what i said last week -- was that there is one day of the year that we don't need to hear from politicians. that is super bowl sunday. the day before, the day after, fine. but for me and for many others, we don't want to hear from politicians on that day. okay, that is my opinion. on the bigger point, regarding your interview, specifically, the putin killer exchange, which you don't think is all that important. t here is what is important. the conservative reaction to that statement. imagine if, last sunday, super bowl sunday, you were

interviewing president obama and you said, "do you respect putin?" and he said, "yeah." and you said, "you know he is a killer," and he rolled his eyesd and said, "there are a lot of killers. you think we are so innocent?" the people watching us tonight,, those people, would be outraged and they would accuse him of treason. they would never, ever, ever forgive him. where is the conservative outrage over the statement? >> bill: look at mitch mcconnell, rubio in florida, new york state, a lot of republicans that came out against that. >> they came out mildly against it. >> bill: oh, not mildly. >> i am talking about the people who watch conservative television. >> bill: you are always talking about the zealots.lw you bring the zealots more prominence. look, you heard some of the letters that have been written about it. i had a letter yesterday from a woman who goes, "we hated the interview because you only should ask questions that put

donald trump in a good light." i mean, zealots are zealots. >> i know, we have to do a segment someday on the role of the media. i think a lot of people watching don't have a clue -- >> bill: they like the media. they don't think it is a necessary thing anymore. >> they think that you should be a cheerleader for people that they like. >> bill: that they like. >> but listen, this -- >> bill: the percentage, bernie. >> i think that the interpretation that you came up with, that, you know, he has to deal with bad people, we all know presidents have to deal with bad people. here's my question, bill. donald trump has told us on more than one occasion how smart he is. why didn't hee say, "bill, bill, you know what, i have to deal with people who don't necessarily win humanitarian awards. fdr had to deal with stalin. let's leave it at that, bill. okay? next question." he didn't say that. he left it to you to give a generous interpretation of what he actually meant. >> bill: an accurate interpretation.

but his point on gthe putin business was that we don't have the right to make m judgments. we, the american government, because we have done bad stuff, too.he now, was that a mistake? i wouldn't have said that because putin is so much worse than any americanou president. and i said that to him. i said, "we don't have individual politicians that are killers." we don't have that. and he -- but the bottom line is, he wants a deal with putin. he wants this deal. >> i get that. that makes sense. but you know what i would have said? i'm not second-guessing you. w i told you, i don't like second-guessing people who do big, important interviews. but i would have said is, "mr. president, i know you have to deal with badh people. i know you have to deal with bad people. but why don't -- why didn't you say, why didn't you say,

mr. president, it's not -- i don't deal with mother teresa all the time?" >> bill: i don't know. in the heat of the moment, nobody knows my questions. >> very briefly. you know the people who would've come up with the interpretationo of, well, he was only saying that he has to deal with -- hard-core progressives whoho dot think much of america. that is the way they talk. that is not the way any president, including president trump, should talk. >> bill: they didn't stick up for trump. that's an interesting point.t, the progressive far left, which says, "yeah, america is the worst, america is the biggest villain," when trump said that,e they didn't go "yes, president trump!" no, they were -- >> i will tell you why in five seconds. because even if he says something that they agree with, they will disagree with him. even if he comes up with a cure for cancer, they will find fault with him. that is the answer they would have given. the one he gave was the one the

hard-core left would have given. and that should make all of us, including the trump supporters watching, that should make all s of us feel uncomfortable. >> bill: i will put an asterisk next to it. because i know what the strategy is. final question. i know putin might be coming after me, goldberg, and it is your fault. you encouraged me to do these things. you feel -- if i disappear, you know, i can't even eat any food now. >> i have a solution. your very fine executive. producer needs to be your food tester and drink tester. [laughs] he needs to test the food and beverages before they go near your lips. >> bill: they have these littlef umbrellas where they go -- and the dart comes out at you. now, when it rains, i can't go outside. bernie goldberg, everybody. plenty more ahead as "the factor" moves ahead this evening. will president trump's executive

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president trump, and is doing every thing possible to hammer him. there is some validity to the fact that the president himself likes controversy, created by tweeting aggressive things. dana perino, cohost of "the five." in the bush white house, you were there. even during the war in iraq and the recession, the bad recession, okay, there wasn't this much controversy coming out of that building, was there? >> i think that, in a way, it is not comparable to me because with the iraq war and then hurricane katrina, in september of 2005, i would say that is the lowest point in terms of media coverage. with the war, you were talking about men and women in the united states military who weree under threat and many who were dying and sacrificing their lives. so the arguments were on the merits. i do think about how we didn't have twitter. >> bill: i was going to say, was president bush on social media at all? did he have a little machine? >> i remember he did an interview once that i set up and he said, "i like to go on the google." [laughs]

>> bill: so he knew what that was? >> of course. he would use -- we didn't really have social media at the time. it was fairly new in 2007, 2008. >> bill: i don't think he is a big tweeter even to this day though. you don't get tweets from him, do you? >> i think 41 tweets more than 43 actually. [laughter] >> bill: for the personality of the two presidents, and president obama too, so opposite. trump is so aggressive. >> i think that you had some constructive criticism of how we ran press relations at the white house.. that we didn't push back enough on places -- >> bill: that is what i said. >> that is what you said. i think there are some validity to that. however, i also was following the lead of the president. so we didn't complain about media bias so much. now, president trump has a different approach. he takes them on for better or worse. and that is his style. the media is going to cover that. >> bill: i got a letter from bush the elder about media bias.

and i promised him i wouldn't read it while he was still alive. so i can't tell you what the letter is. >> okay. >> bill: but it addresses how the media treated his son. okay? >> not himself? >> bill: his son. >> he was very upset about that. >> bill: and it's a fascinating letter. he wrote to me personally, okay? you guys, you decided you were going to ignore most of the over-the-top -- >> i think ed glaspie was aggressive. >> bill: here is the question. not anywhere near this. does that help the country, for the president to hit back hard, as mr. trump is doing, against what he sees as fake news, dishonest media? does that help the country? >> i think when he says in his interview with you that what will matter at the end is, will he get results, will the economy do better?

these arguments that they are having today over whether thehe media has ignored covering terrorist attacks. >> bill: ridiculous. >> that is going to get news coverage. so they have done some really good things. but the media will always cover controversy over substance. h >> bill: but it is not covering controversy, it is putting importance in places that doesn't deserve it. i mean, look. the trump administration believes that low-level terror attacks have been ignoreddm largely by the national and international media and they provided a list of about 80. okay? so what? does it affect anybody? it doesn't affect anybody other than to say that the national media basically is looking to say -- and they are -- he is a liar. >> here is the thing, why give them any reason, they are not going to give you that? on that list of the ones that have been covered, then they have to spend -- >> bill: they have been covered. there's a lot of them that happened. >> why include san bernardino, nice, paris on that list? >> bill: i don't bother with this because it is not, important. l

what i am saying to you, the answer to the question that you just posed, trump isn't going to let a dishonest media run rampant. he is going to hit them. >> they are going to look for any holes in the arguments. so why provide the holes? >> bill: there's got to be more discipline. >> they can take their foot off the gas a little bit on that and they have a lot to show already. >> bill: last question. i've got to go. did you ever say to president bush, don't say that? i suggest you don't say that?t? >> sure!e! "i wouldn't say that if i were you." >> bill: did he listen to you? >> yes, of course. [laughter] >> bill: because everybody does. dana perino, everybody. i don't listen to her but everyone else does. when we come back, "law and order." will the courts unblock president trump's executive order concerning refugees? then, gutfeld and mcguirk on trump derangement syndrome up ahead. have you tried credit karma? does credit karma do taxes now?

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not. first of all, your prediction, will the order be allowed to go forward? >> the order should be allowed to go forward based on the law. >> bill: will it? >> however, the ninth circuit court of appeals, consistently over 20 years, they are very liberal. i think it will come down to 2-1, and they will favor this temporary restraining order. >> bill: the supreme court after that? >> where i do believe it will prevail. >> i think the statutory language is clear, bill. president trump has full control on those. i do agree with k.g. the ninth circuit is very liberal. >> bill: once again, the judges will violate their oath and they will try to make policy, rather than upholding the law? i say that, there are two liberal judges and one moderate judge who are listening to the case. ms. guilfoyle will read you, all right, the statute. go ahead.

>> this clearly states of the president will have the authority -- >> bill: this is federal law? >> correct. that the entry of any person whenever the president finds that the entry of any person will be detrimental to the interest of the united states, he may by proclamation and for such. he is the one who has the authority. for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on the entry of aliens, any restrictions he may deem appropriate. >> can i push back a little bit? when we listen to the court, they don't appreciate not having the ability to scrutinize -- >> bill: i don't care about that. what she just read, eboni, that is the law. let's all go home, and that is that. it is over, right? why are we even bothering? >> that is what he would think. they were asking questions like, didn't rudy giuliani say this, call it a muslim ban? >> don't we have the right to scrutinize or review the president's authority? that is their issue.

>> bill: this is what the law says. so if the law gets changed, which congress can do, then those judges can say -- but they can't make law. that is what our judicial system is becoming corrupt. you both agree that our judicial system is becoming corrupt because judges who get power then feel that they have the right to make the law. >> guess what they are supposed to do, bill. uphold the president's executive order and look at the four corners -- >> bill: whether they like it or not. >> these other questions are not pertinent to the issue. he has the authority based on the statute, the executive order specifically referenced -- >> bill: you both agree? >> i agree, but i think the tension i heard tonight, the court denied, bill, they conflicted around the constitutional requirements. >> bill: it's their job. >> you're right. >> bill: so what? they are supposed to uphold the law. watch "the factor."

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segment" tonight, "what the heck just happened?" you would think after about three weeks, the trump hatred would die down a little. not so. >> our president lies pathologically. he has his staff lie pathologically, and then he attacks the free press, he attacks the judiciary. this is what starts authoritarianism. donald trump is a danger to republic. we need to wake up in america to understand the harms that he is causing our country. >> this is the most outrageous and ridiculous president that this country has ever had. all that nancy pelosi said was, she was not ready yet to talk about impeachment. i'm ready to talk about it. >> bill: here now to discuss the "trump derangement system" that both of those congresspeople have, bernard mcguirk and greg gutfeld. so, look. you are an amateur psychologist. >> i am, that's true. >> bill: you have to be to sit there on "the five" every day. i mean, you would have to be. >> i have my own little practice. >> bill: what is the why behind

the hatred? >> the fact is, krauthammer hass said this before. the right thinks the left is wrong and the left thinks the right is evil. trump may not be a normala candidate, but his agenda is fairly normal. he is a centrist. if you replaced trump with a boring candidate, they would still come after him because they think republicans, just by nature, are evil. they have convinced themselves that trump is worse than global warming, meteor strikes, and the new season of "will and grace" combined. that he could actually destroy the earth. it's amazing. they actually think putin invaded korea. that is what has happened. they are losing their minds. >> bill: and you say, mcguirk? >> i say, look, first of all, they've always hated him. now the hatred has been ampedd up. they see him in a presidential setting, signing executive orders, "normalizing trump," as they put it. that drives them -- >> bill: both of you guys would, i think, admit, while he was a businessman, an "apprentice"

person and tv guy, we didn't see this kind of hatred. some people thought he was annoying, some people didn't like his style, okay. but when i would go to a game with him, most of the people would applaud when he came up on the jumbotron. it wasn't this way. but now that he is a politician, gutfeld, all right, that has changed dramatically, even though, as you rightly pointed out, one of the few times ins your life that you are correct, he is not an ideologue, not aou conservative thumper. >> i, like you, noticed this b when he and i would go for long walks on the beach. everyone was very happy to see him. not much anymore. i think he is ticking off the right people, bill. it heartens me to see people like michael moore, other celebrities, other crazy left-wing professors lose their stuff over him. that means he is doing something right. >> bill: you know what i think it is? i'm going to have to tell you guys what it is. it is the birther stuff. the birther stuff, that is what changed it all.

because, as you know, donald trump went after president obama, saying he didn't believe the birth certificate was real, he might have been born outside thein country, illegitimate president. when he did that, all of the p supporters, you know, fervent supporters of barack obama, hated him. and that has now expanded. does that sound crazy? >> they oppose the agenda. the open borders crowd, the environment -- >> bill: that is a small part of it. >> i think that is a large part of it.l: you lose on the merits of those arguments with the american people. the easiest way to make him ineffective is to demonize him, calling him a racist and a bigot. he could buy a puppy, he could play hide and seek with barron, he could transition to a woman -- >> bill: if he transitions to a woman, gutfeld knows he would regain some popularity. >> i would marry him. >> they would have demonized>>

mitt romney, john mccain -- >> bill: but not like this. not like this. >> if you are a republican, you are evil, not wrong. >> bill: true, but this is not hysteria. that is where it is. it's hysteria. >> if they waited a month -- >> he punches back, he sticks it to them, he is not being "conciliatory." he is being as bold and assertive -- >> bold and fresh. >> as he said he would be. it drives them nuts. it drives them out of their minds. >> bill: all right, gentlemen. thank you very much. "the factor" "tip of the day," a dvd you might want to have. also, a wild mail segment on the president, people did not like the interview and they were not gentle in telling me about that. moments away. ♪ ♪ like a human fingerprint, no two whale flukes are the same. because your needs are unique, pacific life has been delivering flexible retirement and life insurance solutions for more than 145 years.

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affecting us today. i'm glad you like the books. what was the ronald reagan's 106th birthday. the president will go down in history as one of our most effective leaders. there was much drama in the reagan administration, and now the movie killing reagan is out on dvd. >> do you know they have been underestimating us all our live lives? right in hollywood. then i ran for cover, they didn't give a chance. look how that turned out. it's the same thing here. i want to show them. i just need a chance to speak to the people. standing next to jimmy carter, i know i can do this.

i know i can. just not without your faith. have i got that? >> you know you have. >> good. >> bill: "factor tip of the day" you might want to pick up killing reagan on dvd, certainly worth watching. that is it for us tonight. please check out the fox news factor web site which is different from billoreilly.com. you would like us to spout off about the factor anywhere and in thespou world. l1]oreilly@foxnews.coml0. do not obviously when writing to the factor. tomorrow, lou dobbs and i are going to kick around what is the most serious problem we have in this country. he comes at it from an economic point of view. it will be interesting to see what he believes is the most serious problem. i know we are facing that really has to bere dealt with. that will be a good segment

tomorrow on the factor. again thanks for watching us tonight. i am w bill o'reilly, and always remember that the spin stops right here.s we are definitely looking out forer you. ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. right now, federal appeals court judges are deciding whether to restore president trump's executive order. blocking arrivals from seven majority muslim countries. the ruling could come at any moment. of course, we will bring you just a short time ago, the ninth circuit court of appeals heard arguments from the trump administration and the opposing state, both in washington and minnesota, will talk to republican credit of the travel ban andl a first, here is what just happened in court a minute to go. >> has a government pointed to any evidence connecting these countries with terrorism? >> these proceedings have