right here, because we're looking out for you. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," education secretary has been at her post for all three days but protesters are already using harassment to keep her from doing her job. we'll find out what's setting them off. we'll talk to a professor for a novel idea for fixing poverty in this country, give everybody a government job. last week at nyu, writers shuts down a planned a speech by vice cofounder gavin mcginnis, one student says this speakers organizer should be punished for this provocation. at nyu's student newspaper, grad student says the college republicans ought to be kicked off campus for inviting mcginnis to speak there.

mcginnis' beliefs is beyond our sense of democratic values and intimate and there for us to be suppressed, joins us tonight from new york, and for coming on. >> tucker: >> thank you for wha. spoon because as of the crux of our argument i want you to be specific for us if you could. you said that his point of view is beyond our sense of democratic values. what democratic values specifically are you referring to? >> i want to thank you very much for having me on. the reason why i accepted to come on here is because what i wrote is actually altered and suppressed. by the student paper. i wrote them and they never wrote me back. it gave me a sense that i really need to have some more i can actually say what i believe. an editorial that decides to tell me and change my words. i preach at the fac have me on.

and you're allowing me to say it from my perspective. >> tucker: we always do. >> i did some research on you and i understand that you are, you are a free-speech fundamentalist, you believe free speech should be open and should not be curbed at the midpoint. >> tucker: i'm an american, i'm trying to get to the core of your argument. >> my argument was suppressed, i want to be able to sit. spoon let's make this really simple for our viewers who don't know the back story here. your op-ed you wrote for the paper, you suggest that republicans at nyu should be sanctioned at some way for daring to have gavin mcginnis on campus and your justification for that is his views are so beyond the pale yonder our democratic values that we shouldn't be allowed to hear them. >> what i don't want to do is do with the student paper at nyu did which is put words in my mouth and change my words. let me tell my own story. is that okay? one of the senses that was actually taken out which make me very angry was a question.

"does the university -- is it obliged to protect the speech of someone who comes on campus and advocates and recruits for al qaeda?" >> tucker: what you think about that, i don't know that that is a question here. >> i it's exactly the question that i want to raise which was suppressed. i am bringing that question, another question that was altered is the question should the university protect someone who comes on campus and advocates of vigilante violence against police officers who killed the civilians and have not been indicted? should that be protected on campus? that was suppressed by those editors. i want a place where i can have this conversation. what do you think about this? shouldn't someone who actually advocates killing police officers be allowed to debate on a campus, not even debate, to say what they believe on cap a spirit >> tucker: you're asking a question let me answer it. this is a question for the

college meant administrators to decide it was decided by the supreme court in a case brandenburg versus ohio 1969, the upshot of it is that advocating violence is indeed a protected speech, politicians do it all the time, we are to bomb this country are, what is not protected his insight and violence imminent violence and destruction or mayhem, i cannot say go smash the windows of that liquor store. here's my point. anything that gavin mcginnis conceivably said or what have said on your campus is protected speech, if you take 10 minutes to google's he would know that. it's really not a close call here. what he's doing is protected by the first amendment to the constitution. for you to say that people should be sanctioned. >> do you think people should recruit for al qaeda on a college campus? >> tucker: i'm completely against al qaeda. >> should it be protected by administrators on a campus? >> tucker: i think people ought to be able to express their political views no matter how repugnant to you or me or anyone else along as they in good accordance to the supreme court decision for mind

and 69 are not inciting imminent violence, i believe i'm understanding that correctly and i think you should. >> i do believe that. i absolutely believe that, i also believe that our our arguments, there are points to be made that are beyond the pale of responsible dialogue. and i think >> tucker: 's name one. >> i just did too, both of which were suppressed, they were not allowed to be discussed in this newspaper. and you've not really answer my question either. my stand is this. we do not live in a society in which any speech should or is guaranteed. i was sitting on a subway on the way here, in new york city and i invite all your listeners to come to and listen to the subway in new york city where you sit with a cross-section of humanity that's amazing. i was wondering, you know what could change my mind? we believe that all men are created equal, this is a

founding. >> tucker: you're started to lose me. >> let me get to it. we believe all men are created equal, when someone likens people of color to monkeys, that resonates for some people to be beyond the pale of acceptable american values, right? if our country is based on an idea that were all equal, then you cannot have an argument that some people are below human, that to me is not something that belongs in a bait on a campus but >> tucker: you don't like it and i don't either and i think that's an awful sentiment and i would never defend it, and yet both of us are bound as americans to defend the right of people to express views that we disagree with, even though we consider them repugnant or wrong. short of inciting imminent violence, we have to say i disagree with you, here's the counter case, here's why you're wrong, here's why you shouldn't say things like that but we cannot prevent people from accessing what they believe. that is the essence of our democratic fellas, the ones you appeal to get me don't seem to understand that.

>> he would stand up for someone who actually wants to recruit for an organization that has said they would want to hurt to not states. would stand up for that person to speak on a college campus. college campuses are not american society, there are specific places where people are debating and talking to each other. >> tucker: except when they disagree with you, in which case the right amount of protection. i'm asking you clearly, what about gavin mcginnis' positions is so far outside the mainstream that it -- >> calling an african-american monkey? it should outside of the same debate. my point is if someone like that, the point that i made in the editorial is the republican students need to bring conservative ideas on the campus, we need to know why deregulation of wall street, we need to have a discussion about the regulation of environmental regular agent. >> tucker: wising up to you a? >> i believe in discussion, i

believe believe in real discussion. the republican students instead of bringing that question on campus, they bring someone outside of the pale of any rational discussion who calls african-americans a monkey. >> tucker: i don't want to get into a defense of a specific writers writing. i would actually challenge you to cite chapter and verse on that, i don't believe he actually said that. if he did, >> bill: there's a link. i put the link where i got the information. you're asking me for chapter's, there's a link to him speaking where he likens a actress to a monkey. >> tucker: there's no chance i would defend something like that, the point is i would defend the right of anybody to say something i disagree with and you ought to too, especially as a college student come i think you're still a college

student. >> i'm a grad student and i teach. >> tucker: then you're in a world that was created specifically to protect people who have nonmainstream opinions. >> if that space does not protect everybody, let's look clear that. spoon it doesn't protect people you disagree with but >> doesn't protect people who kill cops? if someone wanted to go on speak on college campus >> tucker: that happens all the time. >> really? i really want to know where there's anybody >> tucker: have you been to a black lives matter protest? >> i support mike lives matter i would never support it if they advocated killing a police officer. that is a distortion. your lala land of college campuses doesn't exist because we have criteria. we believe for 200 years that all men are created equal.

people who come out and say people aren't equal, women are inferior when it comes of this, blacks are inferior, muslims are inferior, people who say that they go against the grain of a lot of people who get very angry at that. >> tucker: people get angry, that's right. >> that inflames, that takes us outside of a rational discussio discussion. republican students if they want to have a discussion on campus, they should talk about something that matters. >> tucker: can ask you one last question, were almost out of time. if i want to know what the new rules are as crated by you, the graduate student, one of the rules. where can i go on the internet to find out what speech is protected and what speeches and protected according to you and your friends at nyu? is there a web site? >> i don't pretend to make rule rules. i don't want to be in a position of big administrator. >> tucker: then how do i know? >> that's not what i want to do.

college of ministers are responsible for the safety of their students on campus. when someone comes in advocates for an idea, it can hurt people. that's what i say in my op-ed. that you bring up two weeks ago, some guy walks into a mosque, skills of six people this is documented, after he heard the speech of a far right politicia politician. words have an effect. >> tucker: if i were to go to a rally and people said i'm just pulling this out of thin air, pigs in a blanket fry like bacon about police officers, advocating the killing of cops, you would sit at some except it will come that's not that should be allowed to. >> if student groups want to have a discussion about police brutality. >> tucker: if they were to use that phrase, if they were to use that phrase pigs in a blanket fry like a bag at pittsburgh i'm not interested in france, negative debate you in the phrase >> tucker: because you have no principles, that's why britt all the things you've been saying for the last 11 minutes are totally untrue.

>> >> tucker: thanks for joining us, shut it down. >> while. this is a fox news alert, president trump takes issue with a new executive order of immigration to come up to legal defeats on original travel ban on affected countries, new executive action is intended to protect national security can be expected next week. for more on that and other events in the trump white house, where joined by fox news correspondent, trace gallagher. >> breaking tonight, one of the 29 judges of the ninth circuit court of appeals who has not been named has now requested that the entire court vote on whether to be here the temporary travel ban case by an on banc panel, asking both the department of justice in the states of washington and minnesota to submit briefs by midday thursday on whether the case should be reconsidered. they will argue against a new

hearing, early of the white house said it would not appeal to an on banc panel or the supreme court. it was willing to go back to district court and fight it out there. later, the white house changed position saying it may get two sides to file an emergency appeal with the supreme court. now, if the ninth circuit is potentially offering a new opening, the white house position could change again. regardless, president trump assessed by monday or tuesday, he may sign a brand-new executive order on immigration that would be almost identical to the order that was just shot down by the courts. here is the president on air force one, watch. >> president trump: could very well become a but i like to surprise you. for speed or reasons of security, it could very well be that we do this. very little, in honor of the decision, we will perhaps did that, we'll see come on monday or tuesday.

>> we should note the president's comments aboard air force one came before the ninth circuit just made this announcement, again, things could change. main time, the president and japanese prime minister shinzo abe are in mar-a-lago for a working weekend of golf, mr. trump backed away off his campaign pledge to force japan to pay for u.s. security. at the time, trump accused japan of taking advantage of u.s. security and stealing american jobs. today, the president said the bond between the two nations and the friendship between our two peoples runs very, very deep. >> tucker: trace gallagher, reporting live. up next, modern college campuses seem hostile to a lot of people but especially hostile to the near concept of white men. how bad are things, will talk to somebody who's literally written a book. said they won't live with trump

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>> tucker: if you've been awake at any point of less 50 years, you know that american colleges are pretty liberal. the past five years or so, campuses seem to have been hit by a fever they haven't experienced since the 1960s. instead of focusing on professional skills of the sweet treats of scholarship, they've made it far left politics their only reason for being at school. everybody gets a safe space except for white men, they are hated and despised. author of the new book who considers it called no campus for white men, he joined his in the studio.

the hysteria level is rising, that's not my imagination, it wasn't like this. what's change? >> over the last five years, it's really gravitated toward the last five years, identity politics and victim at culture have taken over higher education. the two points is identity politics trust that all a person should care about is their own a narrow group interest in the identity they have scrubbed themselves. if i'm an african-american man, that's all my politics and i only care about furthering the interests of my specific group, african-american said that's become dominant on campus because they encourage it through affirmative action and other procedures that encourages people to gravitate towards specific identities for more benefits. second and more important in some ways is a victimhood culture. everybody kind of competes to be the biggest victim a lot of people are why are these young people pretended to be victims what to mark nobody wants to be a victim for the reason why they do that is we assign moral

status in the college moral culture that's being created to who's the bigger victim. who is more oppressed, who was more oppressed gets more status and that the moral hierarchy created spirit if you're privileged, that you could be, e worst that could happen. in an older moral culture if you are demonically possessed, that's lowest. with this, if you're privileged that the worst thing you can beat but being a victim is the best and you can be. when your victimhood isn't assigned based on socioeconomic status, you could be the son of a poor coal miner from west virginia at privilege, and you could be the son of a wealthy multimillionaire and put african-american on your oppressed. it >> tucker: there's so many ironies in all this. the first one you noted, everyone in colleges privileged by definition, they're not working for a living, dirt their learning which is considered a privilege for like a thousand years. colleges were designed to be places where people studied universal truths and values rather than narrow and sectarian ones.

what brought this about? how does it get here? >> it wants to pertain to these narrow interests, as i write in the book, it's about to building and trying to get to the right of use of these people. trying to if you have narrow identity politics, it's the core being of the political message on campus. everything is designed to please this type of system. if you have an english course, the fact that shakespeare and a john milton of the primary writers that are started that course, that's a problem because their white males, we need to have more diversity because of identity politics. people feel i feel left out because i'm reading shakespeare or john milton even though they forget the universal message and those works, and the great writing. they said we need to have somebody who reflects this current campus culture that we have. that's why they push these types of things on college campuses. >> tucker: i believe everything you say, i don't fully understand this, the psychology behind it or where it came from but here's what i know

for sure. it doesn't make you happy. we have a video from yale, one of the exchanges that precipitate your book that inspired you to write this, this is a yale professor, this is what a lot of them are like. >> you understand that. >> i don't agree with it. >> then why did you accept the position? sit down come if that's what you think about being on campus, you should sit down. it is not about creating an intellectual space. you understand that? >> tucker: that's textbook hysteria, it's also an expression of deep unhappiness. what was that about? >> absolutely. that inspired no campus for white men, that was inspired because the professor who is defending himself who was surrounding and undergoing an inquisition, his wife what a simple column said you shouldn't get all bent out of shape about cultural appropriation of following custom, we know what a

terror that could be that's considered cultural appropriation, your college kids, you're going to do stupid things, just let it be, don't get out of shape about it. that was like the worst thing that ever happened on this campus, it was like somebody wrote this horrific racist letter to the newspaper. that's how students treated expert they took out all their anger up on this professor who is a liberal himself, who sympathized with their cause but they wouldn't even let him get his viewpoint heard, they just screamed at him and vented their anger. it's all this ritual humiliation that he was under going. it's really quite shocking when it happened. that's why it caught the national eye. a spoon it's so bizarre, standing on this bucolic leafy campus, 60 grand a year, none of have jobs and they're angry. it's so weird. no campus for white men, thanks for joining us. democrats have been invoking the name of coretta scott king a lot this week after senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts used a letter she

wrote years ago to suggested attorney jeff sessions as a bigot. mrs. king wrote another letter back in 19911 you probably haven't heard a lot about. at the time, senator oren hatch of utah was trying to repeal sanctions placed on employers who hired illegal aliens. in such a move king warned it would have a devastating impact on less skilled african-american workers. mrs. king went on to say the presence of illegal aliens in the workplace would cause "the revival of the pre-1965 discrimination against a black and brown u.s. and documented workers in favor of cheap labor, the undocumented workers. "truer words were never spoken or more prescient but somehow no democrat has read that letter. cap next, betsy devos as a secretary of education but already a mob surrounded her when she tried to visit a school today. police are investigating a potential assaults tonight. why are they resorting to violence so quickly? stay tuned. something wrong? so when it comes to pain relievers,

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she is giving money to senators and find your way to position, you should be so proud of yourself. go back. shame x mech shame! shame! >> tucker: what's made these protesters so mad that they'll attack devos on the third day, professor harris, thanks for coming on for it what you of that? >> i think the incident today was unfortunate and i don't think really represents most of the protests. one of this is pretty peaceful and most of it will continue to be. i do think it's worth thinking about where it's coming from. if why the opposition has been so strong and why the senate

democrats want to such lengths to try to stop her. my own take on it from the beginning is that it is about her ideas and the idea that a free market in schooling is the best thing for students in the long term. that's my take on it, i think the reason why the opposition has been so strong i think are a lot broader than that. if you wanted to come up with a resume of things that you probably don't want to see in a secretary of education, that's what her resume looks like, conflicts of interest, the lack of experience in schools, the comments about public schooling as being a dead end. not having experience and having educators who take their job very seriously, they're very passionate about their jobs, i think that's one thing you can see from the last couple weeks and then to have somebody with that resume come in and be deemed the education leader for the country it's tough on folks. >> tucker: there passionate about their job, saving her job

as their main concern emma i sent a child to public school and some of the teachers put as their primary interest in saving their jobs rather than educating the kids. you and i have had a fair debate an interesting one and i agree with some of the things you said about the idea that betsy devos has about reforming education, to attack her personally and say she doesn't care about schools, she spent like $20 million just to be nice, not on her own kids come on to other people's kids, the school that she and her husband had funded in west michigan have as had great results come i think by any standard it's kind of work. it doesn't mean it's applicable to all schools but it does mean that people should give her the benefit of the doubt personally, should they? >> i do think she cares. teachers are just out to get their jobs, saying that, teachers care about their jobs, yes, but they care about kids. i think the other side, i think betsy devos cares about kids, i think she has their interest in mind.

i don't think she's looked carefully at the evidence and really looks at it that way to see whether things are working or not, she is a very strong idea what she wants to do and she's going to pursue that she's going to pursue that against the evidence for it >> tucker: it seems like in a normal world, people including teachers would look at so outrageous, 12%. where are they having protests against that? that's hurting people more than betsy devos to even devised to hurt somebody. there is no protest about that, why? >> they do oppose that. the alternative approach here would be i'm not advocating thi this, they need more early childhood education, the need to

pete pay teachers higher celebrates and more, better buildings, some of the buildings the detroit are widely publicized to be falling apart. >> tucker: two people really think that after what we did in kansas city, what we done here in d.c., have you seen some of the schools we have your? my daughter went to one. they're unbelievable. they're way nicer than any private school here in their physical plan, the results are spotty at best. do people really -- with a straight face argue it's a pure funding formula, the more money you put into it, the better result you could come i don't think there's any data that shows that. >> i don't think that's what the data show either. there certainly are places where money is an issue. a lot of what's going on is it about the schools either, we have to remember that a lot of the low performance. a lot of went first day of kindergarten, there try to catch up from that. it's not just about the schools and this is why i think people point to early childhood

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woman was seeking a roommates to fill her $1300 month room in georgetown, or ed read this way alcohol, pets, meat products are not allowed in the house, neither are trump supporters. they won't welcome poor guns, land esters, set, or trump supporters. housing act does not ban political discrimination though d.c. law does. "the new york times" labeled these ads and a small of defiance. apparently part of the resistance. you think they use the same words of the politics were reversed? probably not. a demoralizing new study finds a majority of america's young people opposed to the first amendment, a survey of 12,000 high school kids, just over 50% of respondents said people should not be allowed to use any offensive words in public. even a larger% said people should not be allowed to make offensive statement in social media. a blunt question, are we doomed?

commissioned the survey, he joins us now. john, is there any reason not to be really bothered by this, one of the key things you learn at school it as an american our country is predicated on the first amendment, they don't seem to have learned that. >> first off, good evening, thanks for having me. i think there's some bright lines around the finding themselves, and the 12 years we've been doing this survey, to test the attitudes of high school students towards the first amendment, support on some metrics has never been higher. 91% of students agree that people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions, but as you are referring to, when you start to ask them about should people be allowed to express opinions that are offensive, then support starts to get graded >> tucker: it doesn't just it goes below 50, the majority says no. how can people be without the first amendment, people should

be allowed to say you don't >> people don't appreciate what the first amendment is, part of the first amendment should be of should be a right to not be at offenders. whether it's through social networks, people identifying negative tribes. they're not exposed to the opinions of others, i think that's increasing a lack of tolerance to hear a few points that are not ones they are accustomed to encountering. >> tucker: and their kids, they're judgmental and lacking wisdom and all the things that go along with youth and addition to good health and optimism. what's really striking is teachers agree with them. according to your survey and thank you for doing this survey, almost half of teachers, 53% agreed that you have the right to exercise your first minute rights 47% the that you don't,

how did that happen with mark >> adults tend to be slightly more supportive of first amendment issues. in this case discrepancy is not as much, as always watch an amount whether students should be able to publish whatever they want to the school newspaper, that's the only where students are more supportive of first amendment rights than teachers are. we can't just subscribe this to a younger generation view, a fairly common held view you start to dig deeper even internationally when you find you asked questions that are about offensive free speech, support dips noticeably. >> tucker: you don't see this as a crisis? we go to work and we leave our kids in the care of adults who we believe are making them better people, but it turns out that almost half of them don't believe in the first amendment, which is the bedrock of american life, culture, civilization.

it's what we have a value and they don't believe in that? shouldn't we do some thing about this? like teach them? >> civics education is certainly one course. i think it's not just a matter of teachers, we find the survey is it about blue states are red states, nearly a thousand teachers survey across the country, and really think about how would become more tolerant of their viewpoints. >> tucker: you know as well as i because support for the first amendment is noticeably higher among conservatives than among liberals. >> i haven't seen that. i think it's an issue that relate spans the spectrum, quite frankly. whether it's incidents on berkeley with which you covered on your show or people upset about: cap next gestures earlier in the year, i think you find out range on both sides when it comes to different forms of

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>> tucker: americans possess a lot of rights in the number is growing, the constitution guarantees the right to free speech, free religion in the right to bear arms, judicial alchemy is created new rights such as abortion, gay marriage, et cetera, is yet another a right to a job? that's what a columnist is arguing in the recent column for the jacobin magazine, it ought to offer a job guaranteed 23 grand a year to anybody who

wants one, this would permanently fix the problem of the working poor. is this madness or brilliance, may be both? professor paul joins us from raleigh north carolina, thanks for coming on. i'm not here to attack you, i think there is a huge problem as we transition out of an industrial economy with what people do for a living, the first things that bothers me about your idea does seem like giving up. it feels like admitting that some people are never going to be integrated into whatever the new economy is if they can't succeed, let's just put them on the dole in effect, is that what it is? >> absolutely not. thanks for having me on, but i have to say i couldn't disagree with you more on this fact. i believe strongly in american workers. i think right now the market is failing far too many. right now, we have 15 million americans that are unemployed or looking for full-time work and simply can't find it. anybody who wants to work should be able to find a job and that's what this program does. when you talk to the employer's, they want an educated and skilled workforce, how to work

build skills, they build it through working for her to talk to employers, one of the biggest problems they have is the fact that they don't want to hire that are unemployed. let's put people to work, let's help them build the skills, the best way to acquire those skills is on the job and through this type of program, we can really be rebuilding our infrastructure which will also help private businesses exceed and expand. it >> tucker: i don't think anything you've said is crazy at all. again, i'm taking you seriously because i think there's a problem when you've identified that and god bless you for doing that. the problem i have with it is people will not work in less there is an incentive to come i won't, i would sit around all day if i didn't have to work. what's the incentive for people to take these jobs. if which will limit current welfare programs? >> know. forceful, 15 million americans want to work, their activity seeking employment and that private market is not providing them. you're telling me those 15 million americans don't want to work? there's plenty of americans that want to work and can't find jobs right now. >> tucker: where did they come from what's mark >> hold on a second there.

right now there are four job openings for every ten workers seeking employment, it's not about people wanted to work it's about the market not providing adequate implement for these workers come of this program will do that. you asked me about these type of jobs, plenty of types of jobs, americans see plenty of things that we could be investing things and society, building schools, building roads, creating high-speed rail. right now, we're living in the 20th century economy, we need to update. president trump has been continuously talking about being the job's president, he wants to rebuild america's infrastructure. i would like to too, this type of program could provide the labor for that type of program. spoon you've got to get immigration under control. $23,000 a year is higher than the per capita income of over 150 countries including the biggest country china, brazil, russia, india, mexico which is right there. if you don't shut the borders, you would have a massive influx of people coming here to take advantage of a guaranteed

$23,000 a year, obviously. what would you do about that with mark >> nope, right now wed about providing jobs with citizens and this is in a program to put americans back to work. we've artie seen legislation that's similar to my idea by congressman conyers in the legislation applies to american citizens that are seeking jobs. there are 15 million of them that would like to work, your talk about what types of jobs these are, we could be investing in human skills too. let's talk about things like universal child care. let's talk about taking care of the elderly, there's plenty of jobs that can be done if we can't think of those jobs, i think that's a failure of our imagination rather than the fact that they're not sufficient work. >> tucker: i tend to agree with you there. i guess my last skeptical instinct comes from the fact that i'm around government workers all the time, my dad was one. some of them are great, but some of them treat their jobs like it's a joke, go to the dmv, you go there, you know that.

they don't take their job seriously. why wouldn't these 15 million workers and new government jobs have the same attitude with mark >> i think people genuinely want to work. it is a tremendous amount of dignity to work and these individuals given an opportunity, i'm a firm believer that folks will want to work and that will do a good job, be productive members of our society, we simply want to these people to contribute to the society, they want to contribute we want to let them contribute and right now not given a fair shot at doing that. this program could do that. >> tucker: i would do with your income around a time, thank you. coming up, use of the riots in berkeley last week, a powerful letter diagnoses what caused them, we'll share it with you next ♪ you know how painful heartburn can be.

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>> tucker: if you saw that mob of violent young leftists setting fires outside of uc berkeley last night, the obvious question may have occurred to you. what's going to happen to these people will make rob?

will they embrace reality and responsibility in the values that reduce stable happy societies? as it happens, our friend received a letter recently from a reader who was pondering that very thing. her conclusion, don't bet on it. her name is annie, here's part of what she wrote. the power of the meritocratic society gives untitled aristocrats belief in the rightness of the rule through the power of resume and college credentialing, they can get to southeast asia for a semester, volunteer for south america in a year, travel to turkey twice in a year, and never think at all about their carbon footprint. they dine out more than any generation ever has, but they vote the right way and never think about warehouses or trucking lines. there the children of neoliberal boomers and they stand to inherit their parents and grandparents wealth and power. they criticized the faces of that power while embracing the underlying premises. it's an enormous mistake to think they're going to grow up and accept things. i know too many of them. they are the obama bureaucrats still in their jobs, the lawyers

in california bid level institutions, the doctors, the foreign correspondents. they are revolutionaries but the revolution it strangely keeps all wealthy urbanites themselves and their real simple lifestyles. it's a revolution forced upon the lower classes, that gets corporations to signal their allegiance part of the colleges are at the center of this revolution's for the reason, they give the credentials. if the kids ever start rejecting the college system, then will know something has changed. this is the toxic rot of meritocracy, we are watching the science of the upper-middle-class and the wealthy justified their rule to themselves and to us through a progressive statist politics that leaves the port blocking on drugs, jobless, five of us, hopeless. it almost makes you long for an aristocracy where power was an accident of birth, where there were reciprocal obligations. interesting that the gap between the rich and the poor has never been greater then the global meritocracy. there it is. that's about it for us tonight, tune in to the show that's this

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