buffoon. or a zombie. again, thank you for watching us tonight. i am bill o'reilly. please remember, the spin stops here. we are definitely looking out for you. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," tonight, a former mexican official said that if the president trump does build a wall, mexico ought to stop helping the united states. even if that laws that means ag terrorists in. but first, general michael flynn, we hardly knew you. the national security advisor is gone after spending less than a month in the white house. he was brought down after his conversation with russia was wiretapped by u.s. intelligence. even though they were supposed to block such wiretapping on u.s. citizens.

even if he did, what does that say about u.s. intelligence that it may be spying on the administration? when the democrats who demanded the firing of general flynn, we are joined now by him. thank you for coming on. as you know, the law requires a warrant in order to proceed with the wiretapping. the law specifies that if an american citizen is caught up in that wiretapping, his identity be protected and the content of his head of the conversation be protected. that did not happen and somehow this information was leaked to the press. are you for that? >> we are not for that, we want their due process and civil rights defended, at the same time, there is some very questionable stuff going on, this was in the course of some type of wiretapping and they happened to cap somebody else in the process but at the same tim time, the best way to answer this is to have a full

investigation. let's go through the proper process so that way if there is anything questionable, it gets flushed out. i think general flynn would know that and the american public would go with that. >> tucker: here's what we already know, we don't know exactly the content, because it's far as i know, there are no copies of the transcript. have you seen the transcript? >> no, we have not. an investigation at some point would be valid. >> tucker: that sounds right to me. we can proceed with the knowledge that we are ignorant of what was said. we know for a fact that a u.s. intelligence agency wiretapped an american citizen who is not a part of the u.s. government ended at the time. is there anything more dangerous than a u.s. intelligent agency to monitor foreign government abroad, turning against a political enemy and destroying him? whatever you think of flynn, that's the most disturbing part of it, is it not? >> i think the more dangerous

part is the centrifuge that's going on in our election, any collusion with a campaign whether they knew it or not. obviously this is something we should investigate and i am very happy you agree with me on that. that's what needs to happen here. if there was some type of illegal manner that this was obtained or violated general flynn's rights which should investigate that also. something went wrong here. we know that general flynn lied to the vice president, made the current president embarrassed by this. this is why we have oversight as congress -- >> tucker: you've got it backwards. something went wrong with flynn and president and vice president, we do not know that he lied because we do not know the content of his conversations. but we do know is that the leaking of his identity is illegal. we know that. that is not speculation. we would need an investigation

to ascertain that. here's what you have. bureaucrats who nobody elected seeking to undermine the elected representatives of the united states government. is that again to the way we run our country and the democracy itself? you cannot have intelligence agencies going rogue, can you? >> i think it's an international entity, such as what we saw a getting involved in, with our election. what you bring up is a very valid point. this is why we should have an investigation and we should cover all aspects of this too. >> tucker: we agree on the investigation part. but since we already know that, i am just wondering why it is not at the very center of your concerns? since the intelligence agencies, you went to harvard, you know they exist to gather intelligence for the president in order that he might make

foreign policy. it's not to make foreign policy much less to execute it. it's to give president the pret information. it seems like they are trying to undermine that and that is a scary thing. >> we do not know what is occurring in the background of it, we should be concerned and asked the questions. we know general flynn was in contact with the ambassador, we know he was in violation where there is only one president at one time, he missed representatives conversations with president and vice president, the department of justice actually warned the white house about the situationt of questions that are still out there. >> tucker: i'm not here to defend what flynn did, because i'm not really sure what splendid, like you. he did not discuss sanctions or

lighten the load on russia or anything like that. we don't know. but what do you mean in the tradition of only one president at the time? are you saying u.s. citizens do not have a right to call officials either of this government or other government? i feel like i do and you do? >> not so close to a campaign that you were trying to influence the diplomatic outcome, the president at that point was president obama. general flynn was potentially involved with the relationship between united states and russi russia. the president had just issued sanctions regarding violations of what we assumed were tampering by russian intelligence and the fact that he called right afterward i think it's questionable. again, this is why we should have an investigation. >> tucker: here's what we know, the u.s. government is spying on american citizens and not keeping the information secret. i don't think you're some kind of crazy leftists but you are on

the left and the left has a long history of standing up for several liberties. if you do not have any privacy from the u.s. government spying on you, things fall apart. why are you not more upset about that? >> we may have to understand what is actually going on here. we have a republican congress, it's not exactly doing oversight right now. for all we know and this is why we have to have an investigatio investigation, our whistleblowers if you want to call them that, may have felt they weren't getting the attention they needed and what may have been a dangerous situation. >> tucker: stop there. you are suggesting it could be legitimate for someone in the intel agency, someone of the name whistleblower, it could be legitimate to tap into his phone conversation? >> no oversight that's happening

in the government, and the assistant attorney general warned the trump administration, there is potential leaking and blackmailing situations like someone who is demonic , general flynn -- >> tucker: i just want you to say unequivocally you should not break the law by spying on u.s. citizens and then leaking illegally the contents of those conversations to "the washington post." if we cannot agree that's the bad thing, what's the basis of our conversation? just agree that that is out of bounds. it should be. >> any citizen has privacy rights that we should respect. general flynn may have crossed the line. i am willing to look at this and the whole scope, if there is a violation that actually occurred, at the same time -- >> tucker: that's not a debate point, we know that is a factual matter. the law was violated.

let's just say that. it does not mean that flynn is a great guy. >> it would give us more information than just us going back and forth. >> tucker: that's the one part of our conversation that is not speculation. >> if this person is potentially compromised, they might be blackmailed, at the same time there should be a poem mastication about what occurred. >> tucker: congressman, thanks a lot. general flynn's downfall has already hindered trump's overtures towards russia. it could be very difficult to build a friendly relationship with the regime in that country for more, we go to fox news correspondent trace gallagher. >> tucker, the administration is now acknowledging president trump has known for weeks that form a national security advisor michael flynn misled the white house about his contacts with russia. but there is nothing illegal about flames conversations with the russian ambassador to the

u.s. concerning u.s. sanctions but democratic lawmakers and some republicans are calling for a full inquiry into foreign discrepancies but also russia. of russian spies ship is also patrolling off the east coast. off the coast of delaware in international waters, it can intercept communications, measure u.s. navy sonar and carry surface-to-air missiles. this is the closest a russian vessel has gotten to the u.s. sense trump took office. they have said they are watching it but it is not a huge concern. they had deployed typical battalions of ground launch missiles and separate russian -- the pentagon now has to decide whether to have defense system in europe. it russian fighter jets

conducted with the u.s. military calls dangerously close flyby's of a u.s. military vessel in the black sea. the u.s. says the jets were at an unusually low altitude and unusually high speed and the russians ignored u.s. calls to halt the flybys. finally, the office of government ethics kellyanne conway saying they broke the laws and fox and friends last week, the oge is a recommending disciplinary action, the white house says conway has been counseled. again, whatever that means. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks a lot. former mexican government official says his government ought to fog up -- all to interview with trump's immigration policies. here to explain that plan after the break. also, the press mangled there because coverage of the 2016 race and haven't improved much since then.

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>> tucker: well, a former mexican politician has a novel idea about his countrymen being deported back to his nation. under vicente fox, he is also a professor at nyu, he recently called on the mexican government to fund lawyers who will clog up the u.s. immigration courts intentionally in order to prevent deportation back to mexico. he was also denounced a wall on

mexican borders, saying if president trump process of building it, mexico should allow terrorists to enter the country freely in retaliation. he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: for our viewers who have not seen it, this is a quote from a couple weeks ago. mexico must think clearly. we will provide legal support on our dime for all un-arrested undocumented workers. this seems like a change. when did the mexican government develop this concern for proces process? >> i'm not a government official, i left 14 years ago and i speak only for myself. i have always been a firm believer in due process in mexico and everywhere in the world. consequently, i think this is one of the most admirable things the u.s. has and mexico should

use it. i don't recall the united states letting people in who do not prove that they are american. well, i do not want the u.s. to deport anybody to mexico who in the u.s. cannot prove it's mexican. yes, i want to use as much as possible the u.s. judicial system, the court system and in particular, immigration courts. judges. to jam the system. to backlog it so much that perhaps president trump will change his mind and stop this ridiculous, unpleasant, hostile policy of deporting people. they even arrested a fellow, a young dreamer, a 23-year-old who is in the west legally and has a work permit to work legally. they went after his father even though he has overwritten -- for the moment, they have not arrested him. >> tucker: living in mexico,

i'm sure you are use to injustice. as a foreign national you are suggesting destroying our legal system because you do not think the u.s. government has the right as the president stated to deport people who convicted of felony. you are saying they should resist. >> how can i suggest destroying it? making it unworkable? >> tucker: should i fill your gas tank with -- speak of the justice system >> tucker: you take advantage of it, you would destroy it. i think one of the undercover parts of this debate is the motive, you went to princeton,

the motive is to keep some very large unknown number but over 10 million illegal immigrants in the united states rather than in mexico. half of your country lives in poverty. he attacked rates on rich people in mexico -- how she paused a minute to think why are these people leaving my country to go to the country next door? maybe we should spend some time and build a social safety net. has not occurred to you? >> it's occurred to me and i don't agree with you at all like that. these are people who have been living on many occasions in the united states for many years, they may have entered without papers but they are there, they have children who are american citizens and then many cases, they are married to american citizens. they are law-abiding, hard-working people and there is no reason to deport them. you want to deport the criminals? fine but make sure they are

really criminals, not just people -- >> tucker: you are dodging my question. >> they have sat down roots in the united states. they are already. we can talk about what happens with future -- and many republicans -- >> tucker: i get it. this is a sincere question. a huge percentage of your population -- you want to sabotage our legal system, why would you spend money instead and pay some more taxes to do this, to build a social safety net that might keep people in mexico? half your population is in poverty and yet you are spending money to keep them here. do you feel good about that? >> that's where they live, where

they work. >> tucker: because your country is dysfunctional, that's why. >> i pay taxes in both countries. believe me, i pay. which is fine. that's the way it should be. no problem with that. all of my compatriots were in the u.s. also pay u.s. taxes. something you and your network do not often mention. with or without papers, we pay taxes and very high taxes. >> tucker: you are a college professor. i'm not going to shout over you below, remittances to mexico are now more than oil revenue. mexico needs the money from over the 10 million undocumented immigrants living here -- have you thought about improving your own country so people do not want to flee? >> let me straighten out your numbers to begin with.

there are about 5.8 million without papers and another 6 million with papers. it is not 10 million. >> tucker: that's untrue. that's wrong. >> those are official u.s. census -- your numbers are also wrong on the issue of how important remittances are. $27 billion over a gdp of $1.5 trillion is about 3% of total mexican gdp. >> tucker: but you don't have to pay in the social services cost. poor people have left her country -- yes or no, has -- >> they are also paid for by -- their families are mexico.

>> tucker: i give up. thanks. i appreciate it. up next, we will have a chat with her "washington post" media reporter. the subject, bias and his newspaper. mutated into embarrassing gain of partisan shrivels. the accu tatian, it true? we will be right back so if you switch to esurance, saving is a pretty safe bet. auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. new pantene doesn't just wash i wiyour hair, it fuels it.gain. making every strand stronger. so tangles don't stand a chance. because strong is beautiful. ththen out of nowhere...crying. third time that day. i wasn't even sad. first the stroke, now this. so we asked my doctor. he told us about pseudobulbar affect,

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why we proceeded to publicize a bunch of -- the public trusted the trump administration's honesty substantially more than a trusted the media's. one person who is supposed to be a watchdog over all of this is a writer for "the washington post," he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. i'm in the media, i read your column, most of my life i have read "the washington post." the past couple months i've seen a couple stories, basically carrying water for the russian government. i thought i would ask, "the washington post" for years, many years had literally carried paid propaganda from the russian government. a section called russia behind the headlines. looks like news but it's designed to fool readers into thinking it's real. it's paid for and distributed by the russian government by stories like we are doing a great job in crimea.

how can you attack others when you do not know if it's your own paper but paid for by the russian government? >> i wish he told me you wanted to talk about this but those are interesting inserts, i've got a lot to write about. i'm interested in that topic. i appreciate you bringing that up. >> tucker: it's your own paper paper. i'm just interested. >> i do cover the media. i believe there are several newspapers that do run these inserts, i think china has one as well. they are what's known as native advertising. where there are signs to the reader that this is not your approved journalism, i do think that people subscribe and can differentiate between the news that is in the paper proper in

the news that it's in the russia, china so on and so forth insert. >> tucker: that's really your answer? i remember you attacking politico for its advertising -- designed to fool people, filled with the cruelest kind of propaganda but you didn't even notice somehow. case after case you failed to cover your own paper. running fake or misleading things. i will give you a couple of examples. >> hold on, mr. carlson. back up on that premise. the thing he wrote about mike allen was a different case altogether. it was native advertising pioneers, that was a cheeky way of saying he was folding endorsements of companies into the very text of his newsletter. there was no attempt whatsoever

to differentiate that from advertising. they have sponsors in that newsletter so i reject the premise 100%. >> tucker: nukes still cannot answer why your paper intentionally tries to fool readers into believing that russian propaganda is news and o cover it. your job is to cover the media. i think that's what it says in your column. but again, february 4th, steve bannon drives over to the department of homeland security to advocate for trump's executive orders. it turns out to be false. your report was never even called to ask. you didn't cover it. the state department fired its entire management team, so said your headline. that turned out to be totally a crock. why do not cover your own papers shortcomings? >> i think you missed something,

mr. carlson. it was in january as well, the post reported something that wasn't quite straight about a power plant up in vermont. i wrote a very hard-hitting piece about that situation. >> tucker: [laughs] no you didn't. do you want to read what you wrote? two of your report is reported the russian government had broken in two a hack -- you said you they were wrong. you didn't even bother to talk to your own reporters, maybe in the same newsroom. >> did you not raise read my pn that matter? >> tucker: you did not interviewed those reporters. >> look. i would note -- wait one second,

mr. carlson. wait one second. i appreciate the high-pitched laugh. >> tucker: i appreciate you failing to give me an answer. >> there are few if any news organizations that allow their in-house media reporters to do as much coverage of their own shop as fred hiatt and eddie baron allow me to do. i will give you a few examples. >> tucker: out of cowardice you refuse to? >> i did a story about i do not know how many months ago about the failure of "the washington post" to get professionals in the higher ranks of the paper. i also broke the story -- >> tucker: wow, good for you. you didn't interviewed the reporters that broke the story.

when you write something that brown nosy, do you feel guilt? a spectacular run of my own publication, my own lawyers? >> read till the end, please. >> tucker: that's the end of it. >> read the entire last paragraph, please. >> tucker: is that where you interviewed the editor who assigned the piece? oh, that was not in the piece. you were afraid to track it down because he worked there. >> i will continue. i also broke at "the washington post" the story of how this is a couple years ago, the advertising side of the paper was putting the arm on the magazine to push content in a certain direction. >> tucker: you are a sleuth, aren't you?

>> did you do anything on bret baier's report that there would be an fbi investigation related to the clinton foundation? >> tucker: i think that you did it, actually. i'm not the self-described media reporter. i do not cover the media. you do. >> you covered media every single day. i watch you. everybody on fox news covers the media. >> tucker: that's your job. >> i want to know -- >> tucker: you are a little obsessive about fox news. 20 more times than msnbc. you have an agenda, you are angry about politics, you are a lefty. did they ever call you and say good job? you are doing a real good job as a media critic? do they ever say that? >> let me finish with an earlier point.

what did you say when bret baier reported falsely that there was an fbi indictment related to the clinton foundation one week before the election against donald trump? what did you say about that? >> tucker: we will have to go back to the tapes. i get it, you cannot answer the question so you are saying that i somehow have an obligation to be made to reporter. i am not but you are. you get a lot of mileage out of that, i can do whatever i want, but you don't. you single-mindedly pursuit your political agenda and my question is -- please enter it -- does the owner of your paper ever call you and say good job? are you acting on their instructions? what do they think of it? >> my direct boss is fred hiatt. i wouldn't quote -- i would not

appreciate the puerile angle. >> tucker: with the cover of media criticism. everyone who reads you knows that. do your editors know that? you are really covering the media straight, do they think that? >> i believe i do cover the media straight. i questioned "the new york times" after how they gave -- look -- >> tucker: very brave, you questioned your competitor. >> the freedom that i have and the times i have criticized my own paper against anyone in this industry -- >> tucker: i am starting to feel bad for you. use your freedom to do something useful, reporting on russian propaganda in your own paper. i hope you will come back.

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>> tucker: dave rubin hosted the rubin report, he once called himself of progressive. now he said he is fed up with the modern left tendencies. he joins us from los angeles. thank you for coming on. i wanted to have you on after i saw this amazing video that you did that they'd go viral, explaining why you are at least shifting or reorienting for sure. can you sum up what happened? >> yeah, first off i actually believe the same liberal principles that i believed probably since around 1988 when michael dukakis was running against george h.w. bush. i was in a social studies class, i thought liberal was good.

the issue that everybody is talking about, i'm glad i am doing this tonight and with you because you are one of the few people in the mainstream that are now talking about this. it has been bubbling up online for quite some time. the progressive movement is no longer progressive. what progressive would be would be truly liberal, for the individual, not for the collective. for liberty. i would welcome all your viewers to google what classical liberalism is. it's about the individual and if you are right to do with your life what you would like. this is not with the modern left is about. i actually believe the same exact things i probably believed for the last 30 some odd years. it is the left that has gone crazy and i know you know this, this free-speech stuff and judging everybody on their immutable characteristics. if you are black, we judge you this way and if you leave the group, you are a tree tour. if muslim, trans, these are

reverse liberal beliefs. it's been very sad to see this. i've been trying to fight this on my show for a good two years now. i suspect we've lost that war and that i have lost the left but i've seen incredible news developing where people better liberal on now lining up and saying wait a minute, i see a libertarian who can come to the same agreement i have. we can believe the same thing just looking at it from different political ends. of course, it's a beautiful moment and lost in a big mess of free-speech craziness. >> tucker: part of the agreement that might bring people to disagree with each other together is we are not going to use loan legal system against each other. you said i am gay and married. because of the government can force a company to do something for one set of ideals, they can do it for any period you see this as a threat to you

potentially. >> of course. i should lay out, i am on fox news, i hope people don't freak out. i am for gay. i even married a guy. i'm for legalizing marijuana. i'm pro-choice, the list goes on and on. i personally would not want the government telling a private business what to do. will a minute, that sounds libertarian, again, this is actually a liberal principle. this is something most people actually believe. i know there are a lot of good people that would argue with me and say well, what if you live in a small town and you have a big hit as your baker in that one town? unfortunately, this is where you have to use your votes. take your skills and your family and the money that you bring to the community and move somewhere else or order a cake on line. i know that does not feel right a lot of people but that in and

oftself, this one person's bigotry should not be an excuse for more government overreach. that is a liberal principle, believe it or not. >> tucker: it is committed to the extent possible, there are cases where you china tub bother other people too much. >> that's the funny thing, live and let live is a liberal principle. over the last couple years, defending my liberal principles has become a conservative position. i find it easy to suddenly build bridges with people like glenn back and ben shapiro that are looking to go wait a minute, maybe we can find some common ground with liberals. i often invite a lot of lefties on my show and i get blocked or muted or rejected but i have had some too and i welcome those conversations. >> tucker: i know the feeling. tell me about it. to look up your video online, it

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>> tucker: general michael flynn's downfall was swift and perhaps to clean. politically obliterated thanks in part to u.s. intelligence monitoring his private conversation. official washington was trying to undermine the president, that may be a rhetorical question. britt, thank you for coming on. the first question is not how did this happen, i just want to

get the outcome and your assessment of it. right. flynn the right person for this job in the first place? >> the intelligence agencies were bent on undermining him and did so, like he tried to explain to your first guest and i think it's also true that he probably was not best fit for this job. he strongly opinionated with passionate views and beliefs. that's normally not been the characteristic of this national security advisor. whose job it is principally to the kind of organize and correlate the viewpoints coming out of the agencies for the president to make decisions based on. it's then to neutrally present those views to the president, that's his job. some people have been criticized for doing that too well. donald rumsfeld did not like condoleezza rice because she tried to work everything out and get it all settled between

differing parties so the president should make the call. he thought that she should let things be had outed from the president. objectively as possible, accurate information, representing all viewpoints or you can decide. when you present in accurate information as he did in the case of what he told the vice president, whether he was intentionally lying or not, it's almost beside the point. you have fallen down on the job. he probably needs to be with a more neutral temperament than mike flynn had. he enjoys wide respect but that does not mean he is the right man for this job. >> tucker: that's right, he may have been temperamentally unsuited for it. whatever you think of flynn specifically, that the agencies can undo someone using data gathered in surveillance, that is got up at the fear of god

into everybody serving the executive branch. >> what probably looks like what happened here, they pick up his conversation of the u.s. ambassador. they now are in possession with classified information with very sensitive information on two counts. having it get out might compromise sources and methods and the second is they have information that they probably not should not have or should be very careful with about the private conversations of united states citizen. that information is doubly disturbing of the kind of protections that intelligence agencies are just providing and it leaked out. that may be a crime. the question becomes, was mike flynn sinned against more than

sending? >> tucker: can you get a handle on the federal government that does not want you to run it? if you have all these permanent bureaucrats, some of them smart, knowledgeable talented who do not want your foreign policy, and reject your views can you effectually use your views? >> very good question, sure they are worried about it in the white house. i saw an article, the difficulties the president might be having, staffing the national security council. the national security council staff, morphed into this great big agency relying on people who are drawn from agencies around the government, they are borrowed to work on the nsc. the story said that some of these people asked to be returned to their agencies because they did not want to work for donald trump, well, who did they think they

would be working for when they went back to their agencies? that gives you an idea of the mindset that these people will go back to the agencies where they could merrily try to do whatever they can to torpedo the administration. if the epa and some of these other agencies, you've got to know, this has got to be going on and they are ruining this government and taking in a new direction will be about the hardest thing in the recent administration has tried to do because the resistance inside the government and outside. >> tucker: unbelievable, brit hume. we are back with more in just a few minutes. stay tuned. .95 per trade? uhhh- and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $6.95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee.

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