>> tucker: chief white house strategist steve bannon has emerge from the west wing, he went to cpac today and vowed to continue his battle with the press. here is part of what he said. >> the campaign was the most chaotic by the media's description, most disorganized, most unprofessional, had no idea what they were doing, then you saw them all crying and weeping that night. >> tucker: we have a lot more from that appearance in a few minutes, we'll talk to the head of the anti-trump war room who is furious that he rescinded the transgender bathroom guidelines. efforts against illegal immigration continued to provoke defiance from some democratic lawmakers in the states.

governor of connecticut has told police they don't have to comply saying that his state has no obligation to cooperate with federal immigration laws, governor malloy joined us now. we promote the segment earlier today i got a time of email from your constituents so i know, some i don't know saying the same thing which is the state is a physical wreck, it's massively in debt. the capital city is on the verge of bankruptcy, were laying off teachers, why is the governor focus on this, how does this improve on this? >> the governor focuses on everything, which created 85,000 jobs in last few years. as i was telling you off the tv, i inherited a mess that my predecessors set up by giving away benefits and not funding long-term obligations. you dig yourself out of these things slowly. connecticut complies with the law, there are federal laws that the federal authorities should enforce in their state laws that the state authorities should enforce.

we want the bad guys off the street, we want bad guys sent home. that's not the disagreement. the disagreement is the president can't order us to do federal work. quite frankly, the federal government should do its own job and get it done. we are not standing in the way of that happening. >> tucker: the federalism part of this, back to the original question i don't think you are responsible for all of connecticut ails, i don't think anybody's think that, but they have gotten worse since you were governor. one way to crystallize as it is g.e. left after many years, went to massachusetts, not considered a hospitable place for business but they did. >> let me stop you for a minute, g.e. moved 200 jobs from connecticut for $160 million. >> tucker: not a big deal? >> it's a big deal. >> tucker: they would pay one half $60 million for 200 jobs the big deal. if i had paid $160 million for 200 jobs the same people who sent you notes -- >> tucker: are you saying it was unfair because? >> they made a business decision that they wanted to have these

200 people move from our state. we have thousands of employees, g.e. employees, we have more g.e. employees in connecticut right now than the day i got elected. >> tucker: you're saying that g.e. moving and the head of g.e. saying were going to a place are aspirations of messages is not a big deal as i would use in? >> we would certainly prefer that they stay, how would you compete with states it's going to pay $150 million to move the equivalent of 200 jobs? more clinical back to what i said maybe you didn't hear me. the reality is we have more g.e. jobs in connecticut today than we did the day i was elected. >> tucker: that's kind of the point, how do you compete, connecticut isn't competing. that's the concern of some of your constituents, not all the publicans are right wingers it's a pretty democratic state, people saying holy smokes, $1.7 billion budget deficit. i'm not saying it's all your fault but it's set to rise, laying off teachers. how does your action today, make the lives of taxpaying residents better, it's the question.

>> we have not laid off teachers. don't know where you're getting that. >> tucker: hartford is about to lay off teachers. the city is going in silence. >> i was a mayor for 14 years, one of the lowest crime rates in america investing in schools and housing. we know how to do those things, i'm not the mayor of hartford, there is a new mayor of hartford. >> tucker: but it's your capital city, is not insignificant. >> it's certainly not insignificant. that's why the progress that's being made now with lower crime, now with more housing opportunities are important, we need to continue to make those. let me go back to the point. what you're arguing is we should do something that we're not requiring to do, we should expend state resources doing a federal job, at the same time you're saying why are you saying

you don't want to do that? you should be having that fight, you should be doing other things. >> tucker: what i'm saying is in a world of endless possibilities, you could be spending a finite amount of time every day working, people in the state are worried because clearly it's in trouble. a $1.7 billion deficit i think it's fair for them to ask how will making it easier for people there legally to stay in our state, how to set up of our lives? it's a simple question. >> i was handed a state that had a $6.7 billion deficit. deficits are based on projection of expenses. i'm growing the state at less than half of my three predecessors per year. let me just finish. the money that we're spending in addition is to pay the debts that weren't paid by my predecessors. when they were giving away dollar co-pays or allowing people to retire as very young people, they were at the same time, not putting the money in the account to pay for that on a long-term basis. what we have needed to do and what we are doing for instance

i'm the 80th governor in the state of connecticut, on the first governor to fully fund the long-term obligations actuarially and with cut those long-term obligations by $21.5 billion. >> tucker: that's great, but if things are getting better with your deficit, the projections that i just read suggest it's about to get bigger from 1.7 to 1.9, without getting into the weeds too much is that not true? >> it's not true. >> tucker: i'm not blaming you for everything that's wrong with your state, it's clear not your fault. i'm asking for the fourth time, give up after this. does make it easier for illegal aliens to stay in connecticut improve the lives of the citizens and experts connecticut were trying to pay off $1.7 billion of deficit? >> i'm going to challenge you, were not doing anything to make it easier to stay in our state. the federal government has its obligations but we should not be spending local dollars, state

dollars to do the federal's job. >> tucker: what does this cost you to issue this order today? >> actually much of what is in that order that went out yesterday, its advisory, was actually done three years ago by our legislature, a unanimous vote, republicans and democrats passing a law that says that's how we're going to treat this case. >> tucker: what i find a little confusing. >> so you're asking -- what i'm saying to you is connecticut has decided how to handle this issue in the state of connecticut by a unanimous vote, republicans or democrats, in both houses all voted for a law that says we will cooperate with ice under certain circumstances and we will not cooperate with them to do their job when they should be doing their job. >> tucker: it's a little strange that almost exactly the moment you're making this argument that it's a federal responsibility, you're invoking federalism. the states have --

>> something you believe in? >> tucker: i'm losing track of who believes in what, at the same time, you issue a statement attacking the white house about transgender bathrooms it seems like situational federalism. >> speak on sunday made a federalism. >> on sunday made a mistake. they're making the exactly the same case that you're making about these immigration laws but you're saying it's wrong with a make that place. >> we have laws, those laws are intended to protect people. i think they've committed a mistake. >> tucker: anybody who's uncomfortable with the federal government imposing national guidelines for trenches or bathrooms as a bigot? >> no, i'm saying it's a mistake. >> tucker: you just said bigotry is not a local, state, federal issue. you think it's discrimination?

you think the white house should decide it's an act of determination. >> what did they say? >> tucker: exactly. my reading of it, you're the one who issued the response is where throwing it back to the states for them to the side, you just use the term bigotry indiscriminate should to describe that. i'm wondering how executive that's right. >> because why should someone be required to use a facility that they're no longer equipped to use because it was on their birth certificate? why should someone who identifies as having changed their sex be required to make you happy because -- >> tucker: i just want to clarify, letting the states to make these decisions as you believe in in the case of immigration policy is an act of discrimination is that what you're saying? >> what i'm saying is the treatment of transgender individuals and singling them out and saying we will no longer support their rights or respect their differences is a mistake. >> tucker: thanks for joining

us. secretary of state rex tillerson and homeland security john kelly were in mexico today as the governments tried to shore up relations south of the border despite its immigration policies that are not popular there. for more on this we go to fox news correspondent trace gallagher in l.a. hey, trace. >> the two secretaries are hoping to discuss a range of issues with their mexican counterparts, but again it was immigration this dominated the day with homeland security secretary john kelly reemphasizing there will be no mass deportations of illegal immigrants. kelly also said there would be no use of military force in immigration operations and even scolded the media for continuing to suggest there would to be. the reason the media keeps saying it's a military operation is because president trump said "it's a military operation." the white house later said the president was using the description as an adjective, meaning precise and flawless. mexico's former minister acknowledged that this is a

complex time in us-mexico relations, further agitated by the u.s. saying it would deport illegal immigrants to mexico regardless of their nationality. despite rising tensions, secretary of state rex tillerson called today's meeting with mexican authorities productive. tillerson has yet to do an interview or hold a press conference offered these comments. >> we acknowledge and relationship filled with vibrant colors, too strong a sovereign country from time to time will have differences. >> in reference to those differences president trump said he would be going on a tough trip but we are "we are going to have a good relationship with mexico, i hope." and if we don't, we don't. in short time makes can president enrique peña nieto improved the relationship builder constructed for the jet. >> tucker: you don't hear

steve bannon speak a lot in public, but he did today at cpac. >> hold us accountable, hold us accountable to what we promised, hold us accountable for delivering on what we promised. >> tucker: we've got more, charles krauthammer up ahead too tell us what we means. president trump just yanked back president obama's guidelines on transgender bathrooms, we'll talk to a democrat was seething about that move. [coughing] credit karma, huh? yeah, it's free. credit karma. give yourself some credit. hey team, i know we're tight on time, but i really need a... ...sick day tomorrow. moms don't take sick days. moms take nyquil severe: the... ...nighttime sniffling,sneezing, coughing, aching, fever best... ...sleep with a cold, medicine.

>> tucker: chief strategist steve bannon and reince priebus made a joint appearance at cpac to use the moment to rebut the

claims that they hate each other, and that president trump won't back off any of his agenda, is part of what they said. >> we share an office suite together, were basically together from 6:30 in the morning until about 11:00 at night. >> i have a little thing about the war room, he is a fireplace, no space off a. where coalition a lot of people have strong beliefs about different things, we understand you can come together to when we understood that from august 15th. we never had a doubt that donald trump never had a doubt that he was gone to win. i think if you look at the opposition party, and how they portrayed the campaign, how they portrayed the transition, and how they are portraying the administration, they are always wrong. he's going to continue to press his agenda. as economic conditions get better, as more jobs get better, they're going to continue to fight. if you think they're going to give you your country back without a fight, you are sadly mistaken. every day, it is going to be a fight. that is what i'm proudest about donald trump. all the opportunities he had to

waver off this, all the waver off this, all the people erate comecome to hit has every day in the oval office he tells us, i committed this to the american people i promise this when i ran and i'm good to deliver on this. >> tucker: what is the real message here? we're joined now by author and fox news contributor charles krauthammer, thanks a lot for coming on. the first point they both made was they like each other, if it's true, does it matter if it's true. why are they telling us this? >> they're going to have these stories that there is a terrible conflict going on all the time. i think they felt that there is the first order of business, i think it's somewhat trivial because it was a very substantive exchange and from bannon who we've not heard of since the swearing in, it was extremely revealing. this is the brains of the operation. he is a guy who think strategically, and large

categories, and he laid them out. i thought that was the most interesting part, and unfortunately, it got the least amount of coverage. >> tucker: of course, what were they? he described their aims thematically. >> his representation of trump is that you can never go out of reince or out of trump. he basically said there are three overarching ideas. one is international arena, we are going to break that down. you got this in the inaugural address. the world and our allies have been parasitic on us for 70 years with alliances and trade and multilateral trade, where done with that. america first. that's number one. the second is what he calls economic nationalism, meaning trade and immigration. we are looking at america first in terms of economy. the third is the destruction of the administration administrat. on the third one, i think you can get a consensus among all

conservatives and we're all rooting that on. and i think the first salvo in that war happened yesterday when the trump administration reversed the bathroom bill that had been issued by the obama in administration. whatever your ideas about transgender sexuality, it is not the province of the federal government, nothing to do with the overblown leviathan state. it's a way to say we're going to smash all this and we're going to eliminate this excess. that's reaganism, that's hardcore reaganism, the regulatory rollback. on the other two, this is going against the tradition of the last 30 years. he will run into trouble, especially on the second having to do with trade in congress. >> tucker: this was rolled out at cpac, it was the centerpiece of today's conference, traditionally a place where conservative grassroots define what it is to be conservative. this looks like the new

conservative or a version of it. is this the largest constituency within the conservative tent? >> i think it's a good indicator, the straw poll of conservative thinking in the same way they take a poll of their presidential preferences, it's not terrible accurate. trump came in third and last time. it's a good reflection of where conservatives are. i think the enthusiasm with which all of this was received as well as the other people in the high command of the trump administration tells you that there's nothing like winning. having one, having seized all the engines of power in washington as a result of the trump candidacy, they're going to go with it. i didn't see any dissent. the dissent will come from congress down the road when, for example, they have to deal with tariffs and trade in that kind of thing. from the grassroots, people who are expressing their ideology

and their conservatism, they are very willing to allow the winner, the ones the head of the party in the country and the free world to define conservatism, the same way it since happened with reagan. he came into a mildly center-right party and he changed it. it became reaganites. now bannon is thinking through how to make a new ideology and he expressed it rather well. >> tucker: thank you very much for that. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: stephen bannon and reince priebus with the only members at cpac today. vice president mike pence spoke just a minute ago. here is what he said. >> president trump is leading the fight to repeal and replace obamacare. let me assure you that america's obamacare nightmare is about to

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>> tucker: the obama administration announced a new rule that would require every public school in the country to permit transgender students to use every bathroom or locker room to match their gender identity. trump administration these rules and said that bathroom rules are state issues and should be effected by a decreased from 60 and hundred and sabine avenue. this morning on twitter, he called president trump a monster for reverting the policy place to o just one year ago. thanks for coming on. >> having me. >> tucker: i think there's two sides to every debate including thisat one. i woke up feeling so sick to my stomach feeling about the attack on the vulnerable lgbt kids. these people are monsters. i thought to myself, was obama attacking vulnerable lgbt kids a year ago before putting this he spent seven years and president was he a monster attacking lgbt kids clutch >> what we know is he put protections in place, let's say

what were putting in talking about, this was guidance that was provided by schools thatet schools wanted and asked for. it's for a very specific reason. if they wanted to create a safel environment for all the kids in their school, and they wanted to avoid title ix lawsuits. that's what's so mind-boggling about what the trump administration did. he took away practical guidance to school administrators and principals, who were looking to create the safe environment. we are looking up to get sued for title ix violations. >> tucker: they could look them up. it is not they are disappearing from the english language. and so, i'm waiting for the answer to my question. it took the obama people seventu years to do this. and that's fine with me, but i'm not the one calling people monsters for pulling them back. are you giving president obama a pass for not acting on the sooner? >> i'm giving president obama extraordinary praise for taking excessive action to protect these vulnerable kids, and i am saying that donald trump is not

only a monster, but he's a coward.on we're talking about somebody who is so emasculated by vladimir putin. >> tucker: now or never getting off -- >> that he has to come back and pick on vulnerable kids did these kids are the most vulnerable children in the country. >> tucker: let's get to the core of the issue. i'm never going to get you to say that obama should have -- that's fine. let's move from the politics ofa the science. this policy has implications go are beyond bathrooms and locker rooms. the core question is what constitutes male and female. the implication of these guidelines that obama put in place is that a man is someone who says he's a man and a woman is someone who says she's a woman. you get to decide your gender, there is no biological anchor to sex anymore, it's all determined by the individual. how do i know if a person is male or female, is there some other absolute standard that people have to meet to be male

or female, other what they say? >> gender identity is enough to show what gender they are. if you're confused about that, i leave that to your level of enlightenment. >> tucker: it's not about enlightenment. it's not about moral status. this is a real question because there's all kinds of institutions in american life that function on a sex segregated, basis. women's college, sports, both professional and amateur, prison. you're telling me that i can plan a women sports team when i say i'm a woman. >> what we are saying in this guidance with public schools in the vulnerable kids that are there, that there are specific guidelines that these teachers and these supervisors and theser principles asked for and how to create safe. >> tucker: and now you're going back to the first questio question. >> that's what we're talking about. >> tucker: let me take you back in three sentences, when you said gender identity is determined by the person whode

possesses it, that's almost >> correct. >> tucker: i'm saying there are massive implications everyone is either to dump her too embarrassed to explore. if your is what you say it is, that what's prevents me from playing on a women's field hockey team? what's preventing me from getting convicted of a felony. and go to a woman's prison? >> is not a real question because it is pretty absurd. >> tucker: because why >> because there is no examples of this. this is the same argument about saying that there will allow sexual predators that will go into women'sal bathrooms. you are making the argument. >> tucker: what i am saying is, i just want to understand this argument. i'm actually not making any claims. i am merely asking the question and want an answer. is there a scientific standard? because when you deal with questions of biology, that is science. it was the scientific standard? i want to know if you s are a mn or woman, how do i find out? >> these are discussions that i encourage you to have with

student who is transgender and can come talk to you -- >> tucker: you think about the stuff for a living it's a very simple question, how do i find out? >> your gender identity determines your gender. >> tucker: should someone who looks like me, i look like a man, but i say i'm a woman, i demanded the small business administration loan for women owned businesses, that's a real thing, that's a billion-dollarar question, for real, can you turn me down if i say i am woman? >> the question that is on the table right now is about title ix. you want to go off on -- >> tucker: title ix is not a tangent, it was created around the question of women's sports. so, as an apparent man if i say i am a woman, is that enough, do i meet the standard as a woman a to play in a woman sports, that goes right to title ix, don't dodge the question. >> i am not dodging the question. this is something that the

supreme court is looking at, and is looking at the next month. answer is absolutely yes, gender identity determines one's gender. >> i want you to name a single scientist, just one, who says you can determine your own just by saying so? can you name one scientist who said that? >> i'd be happy to send you money.am >> tucker: a scientist who own sex. >> you clearly have some issues around this. >> tucker: questions if you can't answer and your saying things like you're not enlightened, what's the science behind this? in your deflecting, why?d, you are deflecting, why? >> i'm simply not deflecting, this is a matter of settledou science. >> tucker: what's the science? why can't i change my race?

i can't change my with sex. >> it's inherently who people are paired.ly >> tucker: what if i am saying inherently of another race who are you to say i'm not? >> you're getting into silly hypotheticals principle and is not silly at all, nobody can tell you you could change your, own in your saying it settled science but -- >> that's simply not true, we have had to transgender country -- >> tucker: you're saying whatever you say desperate >> you want to go into this right wing pseudoscience but >> tucker: is not rain we get all. it's pseudoscience? i will give you a thousand dollars if you can find any scientist, like an actual biologist and at an accredited american college, to come in the show and say here's of thesc science. you can't. >> i don't understand why you won't answer the question about why shouldn't schools who were asking it get guidance on how to create safe environments for all theirr kids? >> tucker: i would say that guidance exists, it floats on the internet and if it's merely guidance, than the federal government needs no more to do with it. they can say here's our

guidance, you're undermining your own argument to begin with. >> if it simple enough why do you care so much? >> tucker: i'm actually enjoying this, but i want you tc produce the scientist, just one. let's make it harvard, i'll give you a thousand bucks, not attacking anybody i'm just asking the question. we're out of time. it was great to see you.at a former foreign service officers has bloodily reported as fabricating his influence over president trump to appear more powerful than he really is and hurt the united states. the brand-new theory on theas russia question, he'll join us in just a minute. i the

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>> tucker: president trump's comments about swedish immigrants were instantly a denounced as false by the american media, often hysterically. in an op-ed on wednesday inununa "wall street journal," members of the sweden democrats the second and third biggest party in sweden said the president's remark if anything understated

their country's problems. rights and social unrest have become a part of daily life. gang violence is booming, anti-semitism has risen, we can only hope that the leaders in washington want to make the same mistake that our socialist and liberal politicians dead. something to think about. another intriguing new article argues that it doesn't president trump that's getting dominic by vladimir putin, previously principle deputy secretary of energy under president george w. bush, a piece he wrote for the hill, he says that vladimir putin is weaker than he looks and exaggerates his influence to bolster his image and undermine the united states, think slotig for joining us. you're saying there was a russian propaganda campaign but it's not the one we read about in "the new york times." >> it's not what we read about. the story that the media have missed is that they are the ones being played by president putin. the american press. he's a very weak, he's very weak he has these pressures at home from his muslim citizens on the one hand on the russian

nationalists on the other. he has to satisfy this. he has created this image that makes them look like a strong man but only works if he has a weak american president. >> tucker: this is for domestic consumption. more than internationally. we're looking at this and say what does putin want, does he want us to back off on crimea is it ukraine that he's worriedat about and you're saying he's unstable at home and to shore up his support he wants to make himself look like a puppet master. >> that's exactly right, it's not just at home it's also in eastern europe. he's trying to recreate the old russian empire and make it as big as he can. he strained to say on the puppetmaster, and i am expanding o russia and i'm restoring the glory of old russia. it's all right, you russians, that you are suffering. because of sacrifice for the cause of the motherland. >> tucker: that's a familiar theme in russian history. what i didn't realize until i read your piece that right after

the election when democrats in the country were howling that trump won because of putin, the russian media were parroting that. >> that's right.t. the disadvantage that putin has, he controls every word the media say.va we know what he's thinking all the time. you just read the media because he's approving what they say. right after the election, the russian media celebrated, theyvi said trump is our friend, but only for a few days, then they said wait a minute, look at these national securityy appointments. mattis, pompeo, sessions, he was talking about mitt romney as secretary of state, these are all russia hawks. they said what's going on here. and they went quiet for about three weeks. and then this narrative started from a putin encouraging belief that he is the puppetmaster and it's in the russian media filed in the. meanwhile, he had surrogates in eastern europe saying listen, there's a new order. it's us.

and you people, you friends of america, you don't wantre to be the last one still trusting america. this bus is leaving, if you get on the bus right now, we'll take care of you. >> tucker: the deep irony in your theory is this would make the american media which hates trump a dupe of russian propaganda, they're the ones were being controlled by russian propaganda. >> it wouldn't be the first tim time. what does putin want? he wants to keep crimea, exactly what you said. he wants to keep crimea, he wants to keep ukraine. he wants to go and offer trump a grand bargain. i will help you in syria, if you letou me keep crimea. that's a bargain that only a week american government would make. he is not going to make that bargain. with the inducement for him running the barking? he has so many cards that he's holding that trump can't counter. putin can't counter. if he's a kleptocratic, he governs by criminality. he extends his criminal

influence, trump can say two sessions use every tool of american law enforcement and intelligence had to go after the corruption, go after the money >> tucker: and maybe he will. unfortunately, were out of time. i don't know if your theory is right but it makes more sense and anything i have heard on this subject. thanks a lot. >> thank you so much. it's a pleasure. >> tucker: up next, first they came for the white boards, and i said nothing because i was not a white board. michigan state university just white boards because people might write offensive things on them. we will talk to a student who is okay with that. i don't know. $6.95 per trade? uhhh- and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $6.95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee.

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>> tucker: another college tradition is dying a gruesome death for the stake of students feelings, administrators have banned whiteboards from the schools dormitories because

sometimes student let offensive messages wind up on them. heaven forbid a student's ever be offended so the board had to go.av the naacp has held the ban as a victory for the school's black community, we reached out to msu for comment they did not reply. aaron stephens is a student keep things the band is a fine idea, thanks for joining us. so it seems to me, if you're going to ban whiteboards, why not ban pens and keyboards and other instruments of divergent opinion j and just kind of suppressed speech and everyone would be happy? it is kind of what's happening. >> as an msu student and in east lansing resident, the white board distract from the bigger issue at hand. what we got here is another student who feels the need to intimidate somebody in our community, based on a different identity. i think the whiteboard band distracts from that. what it does, it puts the blame

on the flame of messaging rather than addressing the message d itself. >> tucker: a right. the method and a message or kind of intertwined. it's one thing to have opinions, but if i can't expressav them, they're not really opinions, are they? the promise of the first amendment, it does note only sao i get to think things, but i get to say things, right? >> right. with that, i think that's what's really important is right now in our political climate, you see a lot of things that are a set of open discussion and open dialogue, i think the base of free speech is that we can have conversations that are productive. we can disagree respectfully, and we can still move forward with our lives. i think the point that i am trying to make here is that what we need to donk is we need to me sure we are respectfulma when we make those kind of points. your viewpoints shouldn't necessarily be attacking people. it should be about the issues. right now, our political climate

is completely focused on this idea that is the end group, outgroup dynamic. we got to be against the people, we got to be for these people. that divides the country. we don't want to fight the country. we want to be stronger together. that is just how we need to operate. the truth is, you and me, we are going to disagree on stuff, but i am here on the show because i really think that the most important thing that we can do is talk to people that we disagree with. understand their viewpoints. >> tucker: why would you be taking out a means of communication? is not the ideal means of communication, but maybe we live, i don't know if it's occurred to you, and such an orwellian world where people are punished foreo believing what ty say. t maybe they feel like the only outlet is on a whiteboard. why would they want to take that away from them? >> what i am going to say is the whiteboard ban distract from the bigger issue. i am 100% willing to have those conversations. i think those conversations are

important. >> tucker: let me stop you, what does that mean? you're either for people beinguc allow to write what they think on a whiteboard, or you're not. it may distract fromit another issue but it still is an issue itself, why would they be allowed to write in a whiteboard i don't understand? >> i think the issue at hand is you need to go into conversations with an open mentality. right now, while i'm talkative, i'm really trying to understand where you're coming from because the truth is every single person regardless of their political affiliation, regardless where they came from, they have a reason why they think how they think. to make progress in our society, we need to recognize that. you might not disagree, or you mightit not agree with what they say, you might not agree with the method of how they got there, but the truth is, once we start to understand why people think how theyow do, we can stat to have productive conversations. >> tucker: everything you're saying is obvious and i think most people would agree with that. again, you need to be allowed to say what you think.

what you think doesn't have to be popular or constructive or polite to be allowed to say it. you have an absolute right to express your views. period. >> you're right. >> tucker: that would include whiteboards, no? it's kind of simple. >> the idea of freedom of speech is essential to our country that's our country is founded on. the idea that you could disagree with -- >> tucker: it so why not stand up for it? you a college student. >> there's a difference between you expressing a view and that t you providing intimidation and harassment to another students. the truth is msu has a responsibility to keep their students safe. that's what it is. >> tucker: the telling the amount of time, i hope you'll come back because i want to get to the question of what statements. i appreciate it. coming up, sad news today. a special tribute to our friend alan colmes, when we come back.

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>> tucker: we'll take a moment to remember our friend alan colmes, a long time and fox news contributor died today at the age of 67, sean hannity takes a looks back at life and career. >> his quick wit and straight talking style brought him into the hearts and homes of americans all across the country. >> i want to take some great pride andtr say hi to h2 over te years. >> he was born september the 24th, 1950, in new york city. at the bright lights of the big apple would one day bore him into a life of entertainment, giving way to life as a hard-hitting news man. a 1971 graduate of hofstra university, he got his start in the spotlight as a stand-up comedian. >> it's a dirty word, can you slow down? >> a career that eventually washed them into a thriving radio career.

his big break in radio was in 1984 with a prime time slot on new york-based wabc. >> i'm alan colmes wabc talk radio. >> in 1987, he moved to wnbc inm new york, a short-lived move asm wnbc announced his radio division was closing its doors, alan giving the final sign off on the great wnbc. >> i'm alan colmes, thank you, god bless you, for the last time, this is 66 wnbc. t >> in 1996, he parlayed his successful radio career into a television career. >> the economy is doing well, if it ain't broke, you don't have to fix it. >> teaming up with me to launch hannity and colmes. >> i'm going to wonder if more people agree with me or you as a show goes on. >> when the show ended, it was by far the number one show and it's time spot on cable news, and consistently one of the top rated shows on cable. as the banter sometimes grew a bit contentious >> you are lying! >> alan would always use that

great sense of humor to combat some of the stuff critics but >> i think it was great. >> off the air, he found love. >> i've been calling him honey since newt gingrich. >> in june 2003, he married dr. joslyn elise crowley, a professor of public policy at rutgers university. another major milestone just four months later, his debut, nonfiction book, "red, white, and a liberal, how left is right and right is wrong." never one to back down from controversy, his hearted to get a view style made him a greatly admired from stand-up comic, to author, to radio host, to television, he lived to entertain you, the american people. telling the news how he sought and taking his audience through some of the most significant moments of our time. today, the fox news channel lost a very dear member of our family one of the nicest, kindest, friendliest people come a dear personal friend, alan colmes. d

>> tucker: that is all true by the way. whatever you thought of his political opinions, he was a deeply nice man and gentle. we will miss him. good night. >> kimberly: welcome back to "hannity." i'm kimberly guilfoyle and for sean. ban and once again called the media the opposition party. watch this. >> look at the opposition party and how they portray the campaign, how they portrayed transition, how they portrayed the administration. it's always wrong. if you remember, the campaign is most chaotic by the media description, most chaotic, most unorganized, then you saw them all crying and weeping thatao night just like they were dead