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>> tucker: the obama administration announced a new rule that would require every public school in the country to permit transgender students to use every bathroom or locker room to match their gender identity. doesn't trump retracted these rules and said that bathroom rules are state issues and should be effected by a decreased from 60 and hundred and sabine avenue. this morning on twitter, he called president trump a monster for reporting to the policy in place just one year ago, things were coming on for it >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i think there's two

sides to every debate including this one. what i was struck by i'm reading it now, i woke up feeling sick to my stomach about the trump white house attacks on the vulnerable lgbt kids, these people are monsters. i thought to myself, was obama attacking vulnerable lgbt kids a year ago before putting this policy into place ? because marquis spent seven years and president was he a monster attacking lgbt kids clutch market >> what we know is he put protections in place, let's say what were putting in talking about, this was guidance that was provided by schools that schools wanted and asked for. for very specific reason, they wanted to create a safe environment for all the kids in their school, they wanted to avoid title ix lawsuits. that's what's so mind-boggling about what the trump administration did today. he took away practical guidance to school administrators and principals were looking to create this safe environment. in looking to not get sued for

title and exaggeration mike tin paired >> tucker: they could look them up, took the obama administration seven years to do this, i'm not the one calling people monsters were pulling them back. are you giving president obama a pass for not acting on this sooner? >> i'm giving president obama extraordinary praise for taking excessive action to protect these vulnerable kids and i am saying that donald trump is not only a monster but he's a coward. were talking about somebody who is so emasculated by vladimir putin. >> tucker: now or never getting off is pretty >> that he has to come back and pick on vulnerable kids did these kids are the most vulnerable children in the country. >> tucker: let's get to the core of the issue. i'm never going to get you to say that obama should have -- that's fine. let's move from the politics of the science. this policy has implications go are beyond bathrooms and locker

rooms. the court question is what constitutes male and female. the implication of these guidelines that obama put in place is that a man is someone who says he's a man at a woman is someone who says she's a woman. you get to decide your gender, there is no biological anchor to anymore, it's all determined by the individual. how do i know if a person is male or female, is there some other absolute standard that people have to meet to be male or female of the men what say? >> 11 gender identity is enough to show what gender they are. if you're confused about that, i leave that to your level of enlightenment. >> tucker: is not about enlightenment. it's not about status, this is a real question because there are all kinds of institutions in american life that function on a segregated basis. if women's college, sports, both professional and amateur, prison. you're telling me that i can

plan a women sports team when i say i'm a woman. >> what we are saying in this guidance with public schools in the vulnerable kids that are there, that there are specific guidelines that these teachers and these supervisors and these principles asked for and how to create safe. a spoon know you're going back to the first question. >> that's what were talking about. >> tucker: let me take you back in three sentences, when you said it gender identity is determined by the person who possesses it, that's almost exactly what you set up >> correct. >> i'm saying there are massive implications everyone is either to dump her too embarrassed to explore. if your is what you say it is, that what's prevents me from playing on a women's field hockey team? what's preventing me from getting convicted of a felony. and go to a woman's prison? >> it's pretty absurd. if >> tucker: because why what's mark >> because there is no examples of this. there are no examples of this,

this is the same argument about saying that this will allow sexual predators that will go into women's backing bathrooms. spoon i'm not making that argument, i just want to know what the standards are. i'm not making any claims, i'm asking a question. and i want you to answer. is there a scientific standard? when you deal with questions of biology, that is science. what's a scientific standard, i want to know if you're a man or open how do i find out what to mark >> these are discussions that i encourage you to have with someone who is transgender and. >> tucker: you think about the stuff for a living it's a very simple question, how do i find out >> your gender identity determines your gender. mack >> tucker: should someone who looks like me, i look like a man, but i say i'm a woman, i demanded the small business administration loan for women owned businesses, that's a real thing, that's a billion-dollar question, for real, can you turn

me down if i sam a woman? >> the question that is on the table right now is about title ix. you want to go off on -- >> tucker: title ix is not a tangent, it was created around the question of women's sports. so, as an apparent man if i say i am a woman, is that enough, do i meet the standard as a woman to play in a woman sports, that goes right to title ix, don't dodge the question. >> this is something that the supreme court is looking at and is looking at next month the answer is absolutely yes, gender identity determines one's gender gender. mack. this is a matter of civil rights principle in his or science behind this? i want you to name a single scientist, just one who says you can determine your own just by saying so, can you name one scientist who says that? >> i'd be happy to send you money. >> tucker: a scientist who said you could determine your own. >> you clearly have some issues around this. >> tucker: 's questions if you can't answer and your saying

things like you're not enlightened, what's the science behind this? in your deflecting, why? >> >> i'm simply not deflecting, this is a matter of settled science. >> tucker: was the science, executor ? why can't i change my race but i can't change my with mark >> is inherently who people are paired >> tucker: what if i am saying inherently of another race who are you to say i'm not? >> you're getting into silly hypotheticals principle and is not silly at all, nobody can tell you you could change your own in your saying it settled science but >> that's simply not true, we have had to transgender country -- >> tucker: you're saying whatever you say desperate >> you want to go into this right wing pseudoscience but >> tucker: is not rain we get all all. it's pseudoscience? i will give you a thousand dollars if you can find any scientist, like an actual

biologist at an accredited american college, here's a science, here's a state of play name your and that's what it is. >> i don't understand why you won't answer the question about why shouldn't schools who were asking it get guidance on how to create safe environments for all their kids? >> tucker: i would say that guidance exists, it floats on the internet and if it's merely guidance, than the federal government needs no more to do with it. they can say here's our guidance, you're undermining your own argument to begin with. >> if it simple enough why do you care so much? >> tucker: i'm actually enjoying this, but i want you to produce the scientist, just one. that's make at harvard, i'll give you a thousand bucks, not attacking anybody i'm just asking the question. were out of time. it was great to see you. a former foreign service officers has bloodily reported as fabricating his influence over president trump to appear more powerful than he really is and hurt the united states.

the brand-new theory on the

>> tucker: president trump's comments about swedish immigrants were instantly denounced as false by the american media, often hysterically. in an op-ed on wednesday in a "wall street journal," members of the sweden democrats the second and third biggest party in sweden said the president's remark if anything understated their country's problems. rights and social unrest have become a part of daily life. gang violence is booming, anti-semitism has risen, we can only hope that the leaders in washington want to make the same mistake that our socialist and liberal politicians dead. something to think about. another intriguing new article argues that it doesn't president trump that's getting co-opted dominic by vladimir putin, previously principle deputy secretary of energy under president george w. bush, a piece he wrote for the hill, he says that vladimir putin is

weaker than he looks and exaggerates his influence to bolster his image and undermine the united states, think slot for joining us. you're saying there was a russian propaganda campaign but it's not the one we read about in "the new york times." >> it's not what we read about. the story that the media have missed is that they are the ones being played by president putin. the american press. he's a very weak, he's very weak he has these pressures at home from his muslim citizens on the one hand on the russian nationalists on the other. he has to satisfy this. he has created this image that makes them look like a strong man but only works if he has a week american president. >> tucker: this is for domestic consumption. more than internationally. were looking at this and say what does putin want, does he want us to back off on crimea is it ukraine that he's worried about and you're saying he's unstable at home and to shore up his support he wants to make

himself look like a puppet master. >> that's exactly right, it's not just at home it's also in eastern europe. he's just trying to recreate the old russian empire and make it as big as he can. he strained to say on the puppetmaster, and i am expanding russia and i'm restoring the glory of old russia. it's all right, you russians, that you are suffering. because of sacrifice for the cause of the motherland. >> tucker: that's a familiar theme in russian history. what i didn't realize until i read your piece that right after the election were democrats in the country were howling that trumped one because of putin, the russian media were parroting that. >> that's right. the disadvantage that putin has, he controls every word the media say. we know what he's thinking all the time. you just read the media because he's approving what they say. right after the election, the russian media celebrated, they said trump is our friend, but only for a few days, then they said wait a minute, look at

these national security appointments. matt has sessions, he was talking about mitt romney as secretary of state, these are all russia hawks. they said what's going on here. and they went quiet for about three weeks. and then this narrative started from a putin encouraging belief that he is the puppetmaster and in the russian media filed in the. meanwhile, he had surrogates in eastern europe saying listen, there's a new order. it's us. and you fred's of america, you don't want to be the last one still trusting america come of this bus is leaving, if you get on the bus right now, we'll take care of you. >> tucker: the deep irony in your theory is this would make the american media which hates trump a dupe of russian propaganda, they're the onesd bn propaganda. >> it would be the first time. what does putin want, he wants to keep crimea exactly what you said, he wants to keep crimea

and ukraine. he is going to go and offer trump a grand bargain, i will help you in syria if you let me keep crimea. if that's a bargain that only a week american president would make, he was not going to make that bargain. what's the inducement for him running to that bargain? he has so many cards that he's holding that trump can't counte counter. , that putin can't counter. if he's a kleptocratic, he governs by criminality. he extends his criminal influence, trump can say two sessions use every tool of american law enforcement and intelligence had to go after the corruption, go after the money good >> tucker: and maybe he will. unfortunately, were out of time. if i don't know if your theory is right but it makes more sense and anything i have heard on this subject. up next, at first they came for the whiteboards, and i said nothing because i was not a whiteboard. michigan state university just

banned whiteboards because people might write offensive things on them, will talk with students who

>> tucker: another college tradition is dying a gruesome death for the stake of students feelings, administrators have banned whiteboards from the schools dormitories because

sometimes student let offensive messages wind up on them. heaven forbid a student's ever be offended so the board had to go. the naacp has held the ban as a victory for the school's black community, we reached out to msu for comment they did not reply. aaron stephens is a student keep things the band is a fine idea, thanks for not joining us. when not to banned pens and keyboards and other instruments of divergent opinion and just kind of suppressed speech and everyone would be happy? it is kind of what's happening. >> as an msu student and any standing resident, i think the whiteboards distract from the bigger issue at hand. what we got here is another student who feels the need to intimidate somebody in our community based on a different identity. i think the whiteboard band distracts from that. what it does is it put the blame

on the method of messaging rather than a dressing the message itself. >> tucker: right ,-com,-com ma but the method of the message were kind of intertwined. it's one thing to have opinions but if i can't express them, they're not really opinions, are they? the promise of the first amendment does not only do i get to think things but i get to say them, right? >> right. with that, i think that what's really important is right now in our current political climates, you see a lot of things that are instead of open discussion and open dialogue i think the base of free speech is that we can have conversation that are productive, we could disagree respectfully and still move forward with our lives. i think the point that i want to try to make here is make sure were more respectful when we make those kind of points. the your viewpoints shouldn't necessarily be attacking people it should be about the issues. right now our political climate is completely focused on the in

group outgroup dynamic. that divides the country we don't want to divide the country, we want to be stronger together, that is just how we need to operate. the truth is, you and me are going to disagree on some stuff but i'm here on this show because i really think that the most report and think we can do is talk to people that we disagree with. understand their viewpoints. >> tucker: why would you be taking out a means of communication, it's not the ideal means of communication, maybe we live i don't know if it's occurred to you in such a orwellian world people are punished for believing what they say and maybe they feel like the only outlook is on a whiteboard, why would they want to take them away from them? >> what i'm going to say is i think the whiteboard bands distracts from the bigger issue. i'm 100% willing to have those conversations. i think those conversations are important.

>> tucker: let me stop you, what does that mean? you're either for people being allowed to write with it they got a whiteboard or you're not. it may distract from another issue but it still is an issue itself, why would they be allowed to write in a whiteboard i don't understand a? >> i think the issue at hand is you need to go into conversations with an open mentality. right now while i'm talkative, i'm really trying to understand where you're coming from because the truth is every single person regardless of their political affiliation relative where they came from, they have a reason why they think how they think. to make progress in our society, we need to recommends that. you might agree with what they think, you might not agree with the method of how they got there but the truth is once we start to understand why they think how they do, we can understand active conversations. >> tucker: everything you're saying is obvious and i think most people would agree with that. again, you need to be allowed to say what you think. what you think it doesn't have

to be popular or constructive or polite to be allowed to say it. you have an absolute right to express your views. period. >> you're right. >> tucker: that would include whiteboards, no? it's kind of simple. >> the idea of freedom of speech is essential to our country that's our country is founded on. the idea that you could disagree with -- 's point when standing up for it? >> there's a difference between you expressing a view and that you providing intimidation and harassment to another students. the truth is msu has a responsibility to keep their students safe. that's what it is. >> tucker: the telling the amount of time, i hope you'll come back because i want to get to the question of what statements. i appreciate it. coming up, sad news today. a special tribute to our friend a special tribute to our friend alan colmesi'm dave nemeth. television talk-show host and, until recently,

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>> tucker: will take a moment to remember our friend alan colmes come a long time and fox news contributor died today at the age of 67, sean hannity ticket looks back at ellen's life and career. >> his quick wit and straight talking style brought him into the hearts and homes of americans all across the countr country. >> see all of asia across the y. >> he was born in 1950 new york city, the bright lights of the big apple would one day bore him into a life and entertainment, giving way to a life is a hard-hitting news man. 1971 graduate of hofstra university, he got his start in the spotlight as a stand-up comedian. >> is a dirty word, can you slow down? >> thriving radio career, his big break in radio was in 1984

with a prime time slot on new york-based wabc. >> i'm alan colmes wabc talk radio. >> in 1987, he moved to wnbc in new york, a short-lived move as wnbc announced his radio division was closing its doors, giving the final sign off on the great of you nbc. >> i'm alan colmes, thank you, god bless you, for the last time, this is 66 wnbc. >> in 1996, he parlayed his successful radio career into a television career. >> the economy is doing well, if it ain't broke, you don't have to fix it. >> teaming up with me to launch hannity and colmes. when the show ended it was by far the number one show and it's time slot and cable news and consistently one of the top rated shows on cable. as the banter sometimes grew a bit contentious, the mic. >> you are lying!

alan would always use that great sense of humor to combat some of the stuff critics but >> i think it was great. >> off the air, he found love. >> i've been calling him honey since newt gingrich prayed >> into thousand three he married dr. elise crowley a professor of public policy at rutgers university and another major milestone just four months later, his debut nonfiction book red, white, and liberal, how left is right and right is wrong. never one to back down from controversy, his hearted to get a view style made him a greatly admired from stand-up comic, to other, to radio host, to television, he lived to entertain you, the american people. telling the news how he sought and taking his audience through some of the most significant moments of our time. today, the fox news channel lost a very dear member of our family one of the nicest, kindest, friendliest people come a dear

personal friend, alan colmes. >> tucker: whatever you thought of his political opinions, he was a deeply nice man and gentle, will miss ♪ >> tom: welcome to "red eye," hello everyone, i am tom shillue. let's check in with tvs at andy levy over at at the "red " tease deck. >> andy: coming up on the big show, donald trump interrupts a business roundtable to remind everyone he once shot a hole in one. plus, a new poll shows 66% of trump supporters will turn off the oscars if they get too political. also, 100% of andy levy's will yell at the tv every