otherwise worded market, concerned that the momentum for tax cuts and rules and regulation relief are going to go down. market value fourth snapchat, $34 billion. >> kimberly: i'm kimberly with juan williams dana perino eric bolling, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it is 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." today in washington a new storm brewing over another one of president trump's top aides regarding they had -- whether they had improper contact with russian officials. >> let me be clear. i never had meetings with russian operatives or russian intermediaries about the trump

campaign. my question from senator franken was as correct as i understood it at the time. i have recused myself in the matters that deal with the trump campaign. >> kimberly: this stems from a question secretary sessions was asked at his confirmation hearings in january. >> if there's any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of the campaign, what will you do? >> i've been called a surrogate a time or two in the campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. i'm unable to comment. >> kimberly: president trump stood by his attorney general today. >> mr. president, do you still have confidence in the attorney general? >> total. >> should sessions recuse himself? >> i don't think so at all. >> when were you aware that he

spoke to the russian ambassador? >> i wasn't aware at all >> kimberly: we like the outfit. >> dana: i liked the president in that jacket, in this setting. he had a really good speech. it's always awkward when the presses shouting questions at you. especially when it has to do with the attorney general and they keep following you. he says he has total confidence. it's interesting to watch a new cycle like today unfold. this morning it was oh, my gosh. there's an earthquake in washington. around 2:00, i asked bret baier about him recusing himself. it's not an admission of wrongdoing. if anyone is concerned if it even looks improper to anybody, fine. okay, i will recuse myself and let the investigation go forward. by 4:00 today, that's what happened. the news in the morning looked different.

hindsight is 20/20 and looking back, the attorney general was correct in his answer to the senator but it probably wasn't as wholesome as it could've been. i would've covered my tracks a little more to say no, i never spoke about it. as a senator, i did have a meeting with my staff about whatever it was about and be able to clarify it. that's the same individual michael flynn was talking to who, we know what happened with the rest of that story. he's no longer with the administration. >> kimberly: eric, do you think the messaging was good? coming out and saying he was going to recuse himself and giving some specifics. >> eric: terrible idea. i hated the fact that he did that. >> kimberly: that he talked about it or recuse himself? >> eric: that he recused himself. i feel like that was a weak moment for the attorney general and i think he could have stepped up and said i did nothing wrong.

senators who chair the armed services committee will have contact with certain russian ambassadors pretty remember when bill clinton boarded loretta lynch's airplane during the investigation of his wife's email scandals. she felt bad about it but she didn't recuse herself. she said i will go with whatever james comey says. weathering hillary clinton should be indicted or not. that's basically saying i am kicking the can down the road. mccaskill today said i have been on the armed services committee for ten years. no call or meeting with russian ambassadors ever. ambassadors called members of the foreign relations committee. on two separate occasions, senator mccaskill tweeted "off to meeting with the russian ambassador. upset about the arbitrary rules."

2015, she said calls with british, russian, german ambassadors on the iran deal. you are doing your homework and so was jeff sessions and the senator on the armed services committee. he shouldn't have recused himself. he did nothing wrong. >> kimberly: you are saying hold the line. >> eric: now that he's going to recuse himself on any further issues that come up as far as the campaign. i don't like it. >> kimberly: okay juan, what about people who say air on the side of caution in terms of what you're doing that it's above and beyond any reproach in that you're going to recuse so there aren't questions going forward about the investigation. >> juan: i think you did a great service to president trump. he elevated the level of integrity and trust the american people can have that this is going to be an impartial investigation. we've seen reports, house

intelligence, adam schiff is saying jim comey has been withholding information from the congress. we know for most americans, more than 50%, paint -- they think they needed investigation to get an answer. i think when you have someone not only of his own volition, his own initiative saying i'm going to recuse myself that saying my staff got together in my staff said mr. attorney general, you are involved in the campaign. it's not appropriate to sit there in judgment or decide what the fbi should be involved with. i think attorney general sessions upheld the highest standards of integrity for his office today. >> eric: one that loretta lynch couldn't do. >> juan: she did. jim comey came out -- one of the criticisms of jim comey was the gym comey as a prosecutor

shouldn't be making decisions about whether to go forward. loretta lynch. >> eric: something -- >> juan: loretta lynch basically did the same thing. >> greg: this is bait and switch from the start. they were asking sessions about whether he had discussions with the russians about the campaign. he said in that context he did not. they bait and switch the question so they are saying wait, he talked to the russians as a member of the armed services committee. those are two different things. if they had asked him about that, he would've said oh, yeah, i talked talked to all the amb. i don't even know what i talked about it but had nothing to do with the context of those questions. it was a cheap trick from a party that is bereft of any

ideas. this is a walkable strategy of the democratic party. they're going to go after, for the next four years, anything they can. to hit the administration. what drives me crazy is how riled up the democrats are over the russians considering that president obama, when mitt romney talked about the russian threat, president obama said the '80s called and they want their foreign policy back. apparently he was prehistoric under obama to discuss the russians are now the russians are evil. and then you think about the '80s, '70s, '60s when the russian was truly dangerous under the ussr. where was the left? where were the democrats? where were the liberals? they were anti-anti-communist. if you were anti-communist, you are seen as a prehistoric beast who thought there were commies under your bed. turned out we beat them in the cold war no thanks to you.

>> kimberly: that sums it up and i like it. one of the issues is the timing of the meeting. catherine herridge asked about that. >> with hindsight, do you believe this is no coincidence that the russians asked you for meeting? do you believe you were targeted because it came at the height of russia's interference and at the same time, candidate trump was giving an interview to our team saying he didn't believe there was anything to the report. >> i don't recall i don't have a sense of any connection whatsoever about this. i'm not sure i even knew -- when we set up the meeting, what was going to be going to google on of the world -- what was going on in the world of the time. >> eric: talk about the timing. greg is right. all of a sudden the russians became an issue but look at when they started to leak.

we hear about this. jeff sessions had meetings, conversations with some russian ambassadors. the obama white house was leaving a trail. this is 24 hours after president trump drops probably the best speech of his career, of his lifetime, and it is widely accepted as the best speech on both sides of the political aisle. he earned the office that day and know what happens? they throw everything they can to create any kind of diversion from that moment. in some circles -- >> greg: to the timing point, it lends to the idea about why the rebuttal was so lame. the reason why it was so lame was that they figure they have something in their back pockets. we don't have to handle this. we will do russia tomorrow and take the wind out of the sails. i'm impressed with how old-school journalistic action and concern is happening, somehow happen during the obama

years. benghazi a punchline on a couple comedy central shows and among newscasters that it was an overdone thing. somehow now, every little thing as watergate. >> eric: how many people died in the russian lake? none. >> greg: know that we know of. >> kimberly: here's more from sessions on what he spoke to the russian ambassador about. >> we listened to the ambassador and what his concerns might be. we talked a little bit about terrorism and somehow the subject of the ukraine came up. it's got to be a little bit of the testy conversation at that point. ramped up. he said something about inviting me to have lunch and i did not accept that and that never occurred. i don't recall any specific political discussion. >> kimberly: he is trying to give some specifics but it's

also a little bit of risk-reward. perhaps he heads off because there's a storm brewing. to answer some questions. what you imagine might happen could be worse than what he is saying transpired. >> dana: i liked the transparency and i think it's more the -- more than you got from others. so many different investigation investigations. the investigation probably had nothing to do with the senator, now attorney general. but about the russians. he is the center of all of this. he was the one who was asking and seeking meetings and trying to information. we know the russians are trying to metal. we are all americans. the problem is actually the russians on what the russians are doing. i think because the attorney general, the other thing he said yesterday, byron york reported this in "the "washington examiner"." he asked him how the job is going and he said it is super busy. it's a fascinating place to be but there is so much going on.

he had so much work to do that i think he did do the president a service today and that they will be long-term gains for the attorney general and president trump because of this. >> kimberly: if you see that guy, run the other way. agent provocateur. wants free lunches, meetings. >> juan: i was listening to greg and eric and it seems like you put a very strong political partisan overlay. the democrats are trying to -- here's the thing, i don't. you can say juan, you are being a democrat but i think i am also saying, and this is a conclusion not just by president obama or some of these crazy liberals. this was the conclusion of the cia, national security agency, and the fbi all put their good faith. >> eric: why yesterday does this become an issue? >> juan: we have an ongoing --

dana has pointed out. there are ongoing investigations right now, right now. what the conclusion of these intelligence agencies was and it was put out back then was that vladimir putin is trying to undermine public faith in u.s. democracy. >> eric: all of a sudden delete captains 24 hours or less after president trump delivers the speech of a lifetime. >> kimberly: not a coincidence. >> juan: it fit was coincidence, it was coincidence spectrum gave a good speech. >> greg: who was the most hypercritical about this russian stop during the campaign? i was talking about if they can have -- affect our elections, it's bad. this is not that. sessions did nothing wrong. you can't put these two things together. >> juan: his response to franken. i heard what you said about his

response to franken but he also said no when lahey asked him, t? that's a different one and i think you have to understand if you were on the other side of the political aisle, you would be -- >> eric: not only senators on the armed services committee have meetings with russia. >> juan: "the washington post" said 19 of the 26 never had meetings. >> dana: this is not so much about sessions. it is about russia. why would the russian ambassador want to meet with sessions? he was considered a surrogate on the campaign. i didn't have business with him about the armed services committee. he wanted to know what trump was thinking in regards to ukraine and it seems that what the attorney general said we are for freedom for ukraine and russia doesn't like it. i think the attorney general looks better this afternoon that he did even yesterday. >> greg: remember, ted kennedy

conspired with the kgb to ruin ronald reagan. >> juan: didn't stop ronald reagan from saying "tear down that wall." >> eric: eric holder and loretta lynch didn't recuse themselves since in similar situations. >> kimberly: sessions took the high road. make sure to tune in to tucker carlson tonight because attorney general sessions will be going one-on-one with tucker tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. on tuesday, president trump gave a moving tribute to a fallen navy seal and his grieving widow. it was a heartbreaking moment but despicably some on the left thought differently. the widow of american sniper chris kyle has something to say to them next. people just can't h of me and my discounts.

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is the cool musical >> dana: it was the most memorable and emotional moment during the address on tuesday, the moving tribute to fallen navy seal ryan owens and his widow, carryn.

>> so many of my family members are in the military. i thought it was exploitive. he exploited that widow. >> i wish she hadn't allowed herself to be used as his prop like that and i don't see any great courage here. where's the courage? who wouldn't stand and applause four oh or widow? >> what is he thinking about? ladies. record applause, most applause for a dead soldier on my watch. the sickness of this man. >> dana: this tweet from a man man, referring to the widow as a "idiot." dan gry lowell was fired -- dan grilo was fired, properly so. >> ryan didn't sign up to serve

only republicans or democrats. he didn't give his life so he would be applauded. he went into the silent professional mode ended what he does and he died knowing more about the threats against us than most people well. for that, he deserves respect. i don't hearing what environment or from who, he deserves respect. she want to say her husband served valiantly, was successful helping this country, deserved some recognition and if the president wants to give it, she's going to show up so her husband can be recognized. she is anything but a fool. >> dana: that is a strong woman. >> kimberly: she is strong and i'm sure she is a source of strength for carryn. are these people so -- do they have no shame? have a moment to not be political and let a woman grieve, let a country grieve and honor a man.

he served admirably and honorably. there was nothing i thought was distant genuine about it. you saw the emotion when she was looking up to heaven saying "love you, baby" to her husband. we all learn and grow from moments like that of vulnerability and service and sacrifice to the country. good for president trump for honoring him and saying it was a successful mission because the intelligence reports are consistent with getting that information that a lot was gleaned from the raid in particular. we owe it to the people who served on it and her husband as well. shameful behavior from the people who tried to cheapen the moment. >> dana: in the moment when it was happening and everyone was clapping and it was emotional, i thought it was not only for the navy seal that died but for all of the military and the gratitude for the military. it seems like michael moore and those guys are over the top. >> greg: they always end up on the wrong side of the issue.

number one, simple rule: don't attack a military widow. even if you feel that because she was invited by somebody you think is evil or somebody you really, really hate, maybe just swallow that and go you know what? i will take the high road. we both play this game where we invite guests. they invite guests and we are guilty of it. this is an example of unchecked emotional hate. when you hate somebody so much, you hate donald trump so much that you are -- your hysteria allows you to attack a military widow, you can marginalize a grieving widow because you believe the person who invited her is evil. that's how it happens in their distorted, addled mind. the guy who lost his job is probably thinking "what was i thinking?" >> dana: that what i was -- that's what i was thinking.

people file they can comment on everything. be quiet. >> eric: the reason michael moore is doing this and some of the people on "the view," they want to get on tv. they want to be so outrageous they have to talk about them. greg is right. you don't attack a military widow, especially who lost her husband 30 days prior. trump said "his name will be etched in stone for eternity." and it is and thank god for that and no thanks -- isn't it time for michael moore to go away? >> dana: he's got a new lease on life. >> greg: he did predict trump would win. >> dana: last comment to juan. >> juan: wait a second. i remember i said yesterday you guys went after president obama. >> greg: that is what i professed. >> juan: i didn't hear you say. when you went after president obama for having an injured member of the military in the gallery, you said he was using him. >> greg: it's a dance we all

play. >> juan: wait a minute. so now the left goes after trump for this. first of all, i don't think that this was an attack on the widow. i don't think they said she was silly. generally it was an attack on trump. you know who joins in this attack? guess who. ryan's dad, bill. >> eric: you are not helping yourself. >> juan: trump used you, that's the point. my point to you eric, bill owens, the soldier's father, he said he had reservations about the mission, refused to meet with trump and on top of that, said he didn't like the fact that trump went after another gold star family during the campaign. >> eric: but don't go after the widow. >> dana: if you've been

invited by the president of the united states to sit at the state of the union for your husband to be honored by the nation, by the world. >> juan: i think it's pretty sweet. >> kimberly: wonderful way to honor her husband. people need to get a grip. >> dana: we are going to get a grip on this tease. president trump paid tribute to the military today with a visit to the the -- to a warship. ll . or, you could push that button. [dong] [rocket launching] skip the bank. get approved in minutes. lift the burden of getting a home loan with rocket mortgage by quicken loans. [whisper: rocket]

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win. i have no greater privilege than to serve as your commander-in-chief and the commander-in-chief of the men and women of the united states military. i salute you and i salute our sailors. i will always support you and your mission. i will never, ever let you down. >> eric: k.g. >> kimberly: i love this. >> eric: making the military great again. >> kimberly: i love this. it was beautiful. i loved he was out there with them saying i am here. i'm the commander-in-chief. i'm going to give you the tools you need to be safe for yourselves to return to your families and keep this country safe. he promised that during the campaign. this is president trump honoring his promise and his commitment to the country and our national security. i think this was fantastic.

i think he's at his best here when he's with the men and women that serve the country. god bless him for that. >> eric: dano. rocking the jackets. >> dana: i love the jackets. the trappings of the office. getting out on the road suits he wants to -- he has to do a lot of this if he wants to get this done. asking for a $54 billion increase in the middle of obamacare repeal and replacement. it's going to be difficult. general mattis will have a good hearing at capitol hill. he's like, yeah, we are going to get $54 billion. this is what i will do with it. the other cabinet officers are obligated to defend the budget they put up. if your secretary tillerson and you're going to explain why it's a good thing you're getting a 37% cut at the state department. i think general mattis might say i don't think he needs that big of a cut. he's going to have to do more

and treated as a campaign in order to get it done. >> eric: you notice the people behind the stage when these speeches are given. this is better than the democrat response. >> greg: they are all great people. the valuable message is not for america but for our enemies. what we are saying is this is where the president is recommitting his efforts appeared we are no longer navelgazing. we are navy gazing. if you are a liberal or democrat, you want to have the social safety net, you need a national security net first and that's what you do. people argue, i'm a big spender when it comes to the military because the military is an area of government that actually works. >> eric: some senators on the right thing 54 billion is not enough. >> juan: it's too much, that's the problem. president obama went to newport news.

he said we've got a problem. we've got to increase the budget because the sequestration is punishing. president trump wants to increase it by a minuscule amount more than president obama wanted. but the kind of attitude, oh, this is a whole different direction for the military and the president and the ideas that if you can give so much money to the military, even a bump, you're going to punish the state department. punish the other agencies. dana. >> greg: they mistake us a lot. >> eric: $18 billion. a little bump is a lot of money. >> kimberly: the left is whining, bemoaning russia but yet you want to undercut the military and national security. because president obama cuts defense spending for eight years so now we have to recoup it and

have a technological advantage and be military ready and strong so that there aren't problems in the future and we can continue and not have to play catch up. >> juan: i know we have to go but one point. we spent seven or eight times as much money as china on the military. we spend even more than that on russia. there's no question about our military superiority. >> kimberly: i think it is. >> eric: president trump's election victory may have oprah considering her own white house bid. oprah winfrey pondering that. mom, i just saved a lot of money

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government experience to be the president of the united states. >> i thought i don't have the experience. i don't know enough. now i am thinking oh." >> greg: she was joking but there are worse ideas. out of ideas, the democrats reboot. oprah has an -- is an icon who could match a wild card like donald trump. if she won, she could give everyone a free car. >> you get a car! you get a car! >> greg: how different is that really from most democrats? consider who her running mate could be. steadman or gail. she could replace the cabinet with her book club. i kid but she is quite a story. born into extreme poverty, not having a pair of shoes until she was 6 years old. she became the richest black american of the 20th century. worth billions. she is the walking, living,

breathing reminder of american opportunity, capitalism, and optimism. however, there is candle. her name is not really oprah. it is orpah. who is she really? could she be a russian spy? we will need an independent investigation perhaps by dr. phil. really this is fake news. the real news is that democrats and republicans are thinking about 2020. it's like the next four years are they worlds longest halftime. was there ever a time when the bubble stopped thinking about the next election for maybe a month and focus on the country? imagine in your job you're only thinking about keeping your job for years from now. you wouldn't get much done. may be in government, that's good. kimberly. her real name is orpah, a biblical name from the book of

ruth. they couldn't pronounce it, so it is oprah. >> kimberly: very likable. she is an entrepreneur, smart, high favorability. would valerie jarrett go and run the white house with her? >> greg: may be gayle or steadman. 2020, best election ever? >> greg: it would be about white women. educated white women -- >> juan: educated white women are the vulnerability of a trump candidacy and oprah knows how to relate, maybe even better than george clooney. a >> eric: better than an educated white woman named hillary clinton? >> juan: i think so. you like to talk about real foundations, real charity.

>> eric: oprah is smart enough not to run because she will los lose. but maybe 2024. anyone smart enough to put a billion dollars in their bank account is probably smart enough to run the country. you have to have talent, hire the right people. and you can't waste money and that was the theory, the concoction, recipe trump could bring. oprah, mark cuban. my buddy. by the way, mark cuban was wearing a 46 jersey to a game last week. president 46. >> juan: rich is the best qualification for president? >> greg: when i find interesting about oprah's she was born to an unwed teenage mother. she's an example of how being pro-life can turn into something amazing. >> dana: that's one of the questions of that faces the black community in terms of what

are we losing in terms of supporting the policy? i am sticking to my prediction. al franken. watch. he is setting himself up. i'm a celebrity and politician and senator. >> kimberly: that is going to be so scary. >> greg: let's move on. it's not oprah who will run against president trump in 2020. one of the left's loudest mouthpieces is warning liberals they are going to lose again if they don't take trump seriously next time. point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business.

>> juan: 20 may 20 -- 2020 seems like a long way away by the democrats need to get their act together. political pundits and former obama advisor van jones is sounding the alarm to his fellow liberals not to underestimate president trump. >> he's running a movement based on pride and prosperity. it's a completely different appeal that i think creates this

the liberals are protesting. it's worse than that. he may take the protocol card away. he may start following the protocol. then the liberals are going to get beaten not just because we can't compete with him on pride and prosperity but we can't go to him on protocol. i think liberals are engraved -- are in grave danger of missing the whole plot until it's too late. >> kimberly: van jones is a smart guy. i know i'm from san francisco where he was working as a political operative there. very close with gavin newsom, lieutenant governor. he is someone who gets it and set up before. this isn't the first time he's warned people to not underestimate president trump and he's right. there's a movement. people that underestimate, the pollsters and pundits so what happens. and they showed up for president trump. until the point they canceled hillary's fireworks. he's right. they should be -- pay attention.

michael moore is another one who predicted donald trump would win. van jones is listening set of making criticism. he heard what he was saying and he knows that president trump someone who's actually reaching out and appealing to all americans from some of the things he said specifically when he addressed congress. do not underestimate him. >> juan: some of the bounce back, i saw a piece in "gq," what is going on with van joness jumping on the bandwagon but i heard other things he said about trump in the wake of the address on tuesday. i don't think they were very becoming of president trump. he is remaining liberal but he's very smart in saying you better wake up. i don't think you have a shot at 2020 unless you put someone up close smart, likable. as you know, it's hard. >> kimberly: he's being

honest. >> juan: if you are looking and saying lies van jones being so praising of president trump. >> dana: i don't think he's praising him. i think he's talking about reality and the democrats are having to rebuild from the ground up. it's not only the presidency they lost but over the last eight years, they lost the state legislative races. they don't even really have a bench. before they -- they have to rebuild by all accounts. no one knows what's really going to happen. talking about 2020 is a little premature. >> juan: i think rush limbaugh said that democrats brought out captain kangaroo in the form of governor beshear of kentucky. >> greg: it's amazing how the left turns on their own when they step. they stepped out from lockstep. the right does it too, obviously. van jones has gotten a lot of grief for some of the things.

he was complementary about the speech and once that happens, they attacked. the reason why the democratic party lost and i don't know if van played a role. there was a lot of identity politics going on that relied on name-calling. everyone was a racist. you marginalize law and order which allow someone like donald trump to come out as the law & order candidate. those of the two things they have to look at. ditch the identity politics and stop. >> juan: a prescription for democratic success from dr. gutfeld. "one more thing" is next. we're the williams family, and we're usaa members for life. feel free to be yourself all day.... just switch from denture paste to sea-bond denture adhesive seals. holds stronger than the leading paste all day... without the ooze.

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>> kimberly: it is time for "one more thing." happy birthday, eric bolling. i think you already got your big present which was president trump, 45. look at how cute this is. and your book. we will sell some, have some cake. >> greg: eve got to get a better picture. i don't like the hair. >> eric: want to know something? everyone is talking about whether it looks good or bad. >> juan: you know what i'm talking about, no candles. >> kimberly: they told me we couldn't have fire. >> eric: they want me to go? do me a favor.

i'm going to be off tomorrow. my wife is taking me to puerto rico. saturday morning, juan is going to be on the show. we have mick mulvaney on, director of office of management and budget. as dana knows, we are policy wonks. i talked about tax cuts, border tax, border fees, who's going to pay for the wall and foreign aid and where we are cutting back. it's going to come -- the news is going to come out of that. >> kimberly: i want to say thank you. >> greg: is this what hillary sold to the russians? it's my turn, kimberly. greg's celebrity sightings. i take the subway every day. i was getting off on 49th street and who did i see? this incredibly famous person. look at this guy. who could that be? another picture i took. there he was again. it's eric bolling. >> eric: wait, what?

>> greg: eric bolling. side view. show the other side view. i said, there is eric bolling. it is damien lewis. >> juan: playing eric bolling. >> dana: this was from yesterday. president trump signed an executive order on tuesday directing the governments, the epa to pull back obama's rule. waters of the united states rule. here's a couple headlines. politico said trying to kill air and water rules. there were other more hysterical things. it did not pass judicial muster. everyone who works the land and is a land owner wants to protect and conserve it. my uncle said in wyoming he doesn't want them telling him what to do. sorry, juan.

you have ten seconds. >> juan: i have ten seconds? watch this. birthday. schoolyard. >> kimberly: set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is next. >> bret: this is a fox news alerts. i am bret baier in washington. the nation's top law-enforcement officer will not be part of any investigations into whether the drum campaign had improper contact with russian officials or colluded in any way with the russians before the election. attorney general jeff sessions announced the decision to recuse himself two hours ago in a news conference after growing bipartisan calls for that very move. more than 100 democrats are going further, demanding sessions resign after they say he lied under oath about meetings with russia's ambassador during his confirmation hearing. something sessions vigorously