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all and got a b former president's signature accomplishment. who loves us bill? doesn't have hope becoming law? congressman, thanks for coming on. like a lot of people paying attention, and been spending the day figuring out what this bill says. at some of it is good to some of it i don't fully understand. it's been seven years, is this the best congress can produce after promising to replace obamacare was something better? >> this is the first step, there are other steps we have to get through. this is what we're doing and reconciliation. this is what the first bucket looks like, we've still got two buckets left before we have our final product. very important part of the repeal process. we've got to do something. obamacare is imploding. this is something that responsible people and members of congress, we understand that we have to rescue health care and that's what we're trying to do. >> tucker: i think most people

agree with you and that's why republicans control both chambers of congress and the majority of governorships and the state legislators and that the white house, in part because they told their voters this is a disaster it's never gotten a majority support, were going to give you something better. the question remains wise at the multistep process? why's it so disorganized, why wasn't it ready to go a month and a half ago? >> it has been ready. we rolled out our better way plan, and we had the major ideas of what we want to do. we want to have more accessible, more affordable patient centered health care. i'm the only pharmacist currently serving in congress. i was a health care professional. i know how personal health care is, i know how important it is to people. it's important we have competition and of choices in health care, right now we don't have that with obamacare. just this week in tennessee we found out were going to have 16 counties don't have any choice whatsoever. >> tucker: that's clearly bad, i don't think it answers the

question after seven years why it's not fully ready to go, let's get to the specifics here. the individual mandate is very unpopular, polling has showed that consistently. this is rand paul assessment of the bill. it keeps the individual mandate but makes you pay insurance companies, not the government. so there's still a requirement to buy insurance. >> not at all. what we're doing instead of penalizing people or taxing them for not having insurance, what we're going to do is we're going to reward them with a tax credit for having insurance. i respect what he's talking about there, it's the refundable tax credits. what that's intended to do is make sure those people who don't necessarily benefit from a tax credit that they can get the tax credit and automatically -- by insurance with integrated that's what we intend for that to do. >> tucker: there's no penalty at all, if i'm what used to be called a free rider i don't feel like getting insurance and continue to go to the emergency room for my health care, there's

no penalty at all for me. >> there's not a penalty but what were going to do again -- >> tucker: there's no extra cost. >> except you don't have insurance. we're not trying to be punitive here, we're trying to reward and empower people that's the key. it >> tucker: i get all that but here's the central problem with obamacare try to tackle i think it did a bad job but it's still a problem. the older segment of the population consumes the overwhelming majority of health care dollars. the youngest segment doesn't want to buy insurance because they perceive that they don't need it and most of them actually don't. you need to get the healthy to pay for the sick in order for it to work hence the individual mandate. this bill doesn't address that problem at all? >> unlike obamacare, we don't want to discriminate. were not going to. what were going to do it again is empower people. we feel like people are able to make their own health care choices are able to do a better

job than this cookie-cutter approach that washington, d.c., things we know best and we can tell you what you need in health care. that simply is not working. >> tucker: if my kids or anyone's kids decide i'm 27 years old, i can no longer bite along with my parents insurance policy, i don't feel like getting insurance. the government has nothing to say about that? no one is going to force them to do that. >> that's been the punitive nature. >> tucker: i want to be clear on it because there's a lot of debate on what the legislation actually says. the ban on insurance companies incriminating against those with pre-existing condition stands as does the ban on lifetime limits the insurance companies impose on patients. how was it insurance exactly if we are requiring insurance companies to ensure people whose policies they are certain will lose money ? that's not really insurance commits something else. a >> no, listen, the insurance companies are going to be a big part of this. we got to see what products they're going to come out with end of those products are going to be important into what the

market will bear and what the market needs. i'm sure that's what they will come out with. >> tucker: but you can't run an insurance company. it's a bet that you'll pay more to them than they will pay you in the end of it it's based on a wager that they make, that's what insurance is. if the government says you have to take people on whom you know you will lose money, then by definition those insurance companies need subsidies or they fail, right? >> one of the biggest all words of our finest medicaid reform. this isn't called obamacare, it should have been called obama cade. they should have been added through medicaid expansion, it's never intended to be for able-bodied adults, it was always intended to be a safety net for those who needed the most, the age, the blind, disabled. instead it turned out to be through obamacare for able-bodied adults. we forgot to get medicaid back.

we've got to pass the responsibility and partner with the states. they can do a much more efficient and effective job then we can do. >> tucker: they're pretty good at police and the federal government, i've noticed. if you talk to any governor or anybody involved with medicaid dell state noncitizens account for a big proportion of spending on medicaid. it's not a small thing at all it's not some right-wing hobbyhorse, it's a real thing. what does this legislation to prevent people from taking advantage of the largess of the government? >> what this legislation does come of those people won't be getting tax credits. those peoples aren't filling out tax forms and they are not filling out -- to get a tax rebate or anything so they're not going to be benefiting from any kind of tax credit at all. >> tucker: federally but they can still use the state medicaid, right? people here illegally cannot take advantage of this program. >> i think it's incumbent upon the states to make sure that doesn't happening. >> tucker: they're not going to prevent illegals from using this, is that okay?

>> not in my mind. >> tucker: the legislation attracts it, that's what i mean. >> not that i'm aware of. it doesn't leave up to the states to be monitored by the states. >> tucker: obamacare taxes are still in here and not all of them will be repealed, the bulk won't be repealed until 2018, why is that? >> one of the things that we promised is a stable transition. mack. in order to have that, we've got to make sure, everyone's make sure, they expressed to me how concerned they were about to do. i understand that health care is personal, we promised were not going to yank the rug out from underneath anyone. in order to do that, we've got to have a glide path if you will, a stable transition. max. this didn't happen overnight at psycho to change overnight. >> tucker: what does this cost? and how many people will lose their coverage as a result? >> two things, we haven't gotten the cost estimates back yet from the cbo. >> tucker: of course it hasn't

been scored officially. you're not going to release something like this to the public without giving some sense of the cost. >> tucker: we feel like we can make it over a period of time, we feel like we can bring bolt down health care costs. >> tucker: by how much? >> that remains to be seen. if we increase competition, if we increase choices, if we increase patient responsibility, then we will -- it >> tucker: i don't mean to be a jerk about it or pressing too hard, this is the story of the day. you've got to give us some sense of what it's going to cost, where the money is good to come from, who's going to lose coverage. your rolling it out today, what's the answer? >> the answer is we're going to create a market in health care that's going to be much more competitive, much more choices come up patient centered. that's going to create a market that's going to be much more affordable to people? >> tucker: how much more? >> that remains to be seen come i can't a figure. >> tucker: when nancy pelosi says a lot of people are going to lose her health insurance

because of this -- >> my responses just the opposite, i think people are going to have access to health care and better health care and they're going to be empowered. >> tucker: so people are not go to lose their health insurance? >> it will be accessible, they will have the opportunity to have health care, i can assure you. >> tucker: can you see why this makes people nervous? you roll it out with any detailed? i'm not against it i just ought to know the details are. >> i understand, that's why we want to make sure we have a stable transition. max. max. to make sure they can last through the transition period. >> tucker: fox news alert for you. the state of hawaii has announced it will challenge the trump administration revised executive order, the one that blocked travel from six nations mostly the middle east, that's a lawsuit which be filed tomorrow is the first of what will likely be many challenges to the new order which is designed to better withstand legal scrutiny.

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>> tucker: much like members of diluted cult, today democrats in congress are demanding a special counsel to investigate claims of russian interference in the 2016 election, even though the night is no evidence of any criminal interference has ever appeared, to put it clearl clearly. similarly, the trump administration will not retract its claim that president obama wiretapped the campaign or offered any evidence that it happened. were joined by fox news senior political analyst, brit hume. so if you're able to drowned out all the noise surrounding this russia story, what's it really about at its core? >> if you step back from it a little bit, you look at all that's generated here. we have a congressional investigation going on by the intelligence committee and perhaps other committees as well. we have an attorney general that

has recused himself from any investigations involving this matter. we have the calls as you just pointed out for the appointment of a special prosecutor or special counsel to carry out a supposedly independent investigation of this whole matter. when you boil it all down it comes down to two parts. one is russians attempt to interfere in the presidential campaign, there is no evidence they interfered in the election itself and the activities that take place surrounding that. i think there is some indication the russians did try to influence the campaign, most conspicuously by john podesta's emails that were hacked and leaked to the public, most of which were embarrassing, there's no real sign they had any decisive effect on the campaign. that's part of it. the other part of it is the notion that there is collusion between the trump campaign as you pointed out and the russian russians. there is as far as i can see absolutely no evidence to that effect, none whatsoever. there is evidence there may have

been some contacts between people associated to the trump campaign and some way and russian officials, no evidence it was improper or inappropriate or related to campaign activities. we have an investigation which is rooted in something of which there is no evidence. if similarly as you point out, the president's made over the weekend in his tweet that obama ordered him wiretapped or headed wiretapped as he put in his tweets, there's a tremendous stir, the media are pressing very hard to get the trump white house to answer for this claim that the president made for which there appears to be no substantiation. in the meantime, the media are covering very serious and sober faces this whole set of inquiries that are going on into this possibility between the collusion between the trump campaign and the russians which as i say and you pointed out there is absently no evidence

it's a remarkable feat of political alchemy by the democratic party and friends in the media to turn it nothing into something. >> tucker: there are legitimate criticisms for how the administration has behaved this just isn't one of them. russia is a will country it with nuclear weapons in the population come as a player in the world and especially europe. what's the effect of all this onrush of the actual place and our relationship with it? >> this seems to be on the irrelevancy that may become an obstacle in relations with russia. it doesn't seem to me to be pretty clear that part of the suspicion about this that has been raised and that's all it is, is a suspicion is rooted in the fact that president trump had said during the campaign some other kind of things about vladimir putin and suggested more than once that he could establish a working relationship with putin in which we would be

allies in the fight against isis and perhaps other things as wel well. that proposition that there can be this alliance seems to be somewhat in tatters right now, you have this u.n. ambassador more more than once very critical of russia as far as we know with his approval. he has set himself as well that he doesn't know if he would be able to have a good relationship with vladimir putin, he thinks he might not be able to but he might be good if he did. it all seems innocent to me, the question that arises is how do we deal with russia and the problems that russia causes around the world especially in europe? that remains a wide open question, that remains in the hands of people like rex to listen and at james madison and people at the cia, mike pompeo, and so on. if i don't think there is yet any reason to worry that there might be an inappropriately soft relationship between president trump and vladimir putin, i don't think there's much of a relationship at all at this stage.

>> tucker: really quickly, to the wiretapping question. we know that people around the trump were surveilled by the u.s. government, the president is in charge of the cia. they are his employees, he is their what prevents the white house from getting to the bottom of this pretty quickly and presented the evidence? >> here's a couple things to remember about this. this strikes me that such wiretaps as there were were not related to some domestic investigation they were a foreign policy matter, a national security investigation. that requires a warrant from the so-called foreign intelligence surveillance act court. it has to look at the possibility that there is probable cause and then issue its it. such warrants are not to be issued except in the rarest of circumstances against citizens of the united states, which does not preclude the possibility that in intercepting the phone

calls for an example of the russian ambassador in washington, the conversations with people close to donald trump might have occurred, as we believe we know they did in the case of general flynn who then proceeded to mislead that the vice president about those conversations. the reason we know about them is there had to have been surveillance of the russian ambassador and general flynn caught up in that. we know that happened and we know there was probably a criminal leak of that information which is why we know about it. the idea that a president would be able to cause a wiretapped to occur with it illegally not supposed to occur without the permission of the court seems a touch of far-fetched and that there's certainly no evidence that president obama because of this to happen. there are people who think that he gives a wink and a nod to the right people and these things would not go on without his knowledge, i don't think that's necessarily true. i think this kind of thing can go on without his knowledge at least up until the point when

intelligence is obtained thereby, which is presented to him in the form of an intelligence report. these agencies operate not entirely on their own and their responsive to him, but he's simply -- i don't know of a case where a president has ever been known to order a wiretapped. >> tucker: brit hume joining us life. wikileaks may have done more than any organization leicester to destroy the clinton campaign thanks to their release of the massive trove of democratic party emails. they're trying to claim another scalp at the cia, were joined by trace gallagher. >> unlike the edward snowden leaks back in 2013 that revealed the national security agency was in fact spying on average americans, today's document dump by wikileaks isn't about gathering info on americans, it's about the tools and tactics being used by the central intelligence agency to break into and circumvent various communication technologies.

experts have studied the leaked documents say the cia along with other u.s. and foreign agencies found a way to hack into phones that use google's android technology giving them the ability to collect a voice and text message data from message and apps like telegram and signal. this cia was able to hack devices prior to encryption being applied. google is looking into the matter. it's interesting that one cybersecurity expert in california has said it appears that cia hackers would cover their tracks leaving electronic trails suggesting the hex came from iran, china, and russia instead of the united states. it also appeared that u.s. and british intel agencies developed a way to take control of televisions connected to the internet making it appear the tv was off when in fact it was recording conversations in the room appeared wikileaks admits the documents came from within

the cia and that is a problem, listen. >> i just spoke to a former cia officer who told me this was really bad. he said there would be a serious reckoning within the cia and he seemed to be surprised -- he said he would be surprised if people didn't lose their jobs over this period >> it's no secret the u.s. and its allies and adversaries are all trying to figure out ways to exploit the flaws in new technology, today's leaks are just laying that out for us in detail and wikileaks founder julian sanchez said there is more to come. >> tucker: you can bet on that, trace gallagher. last week protesters ruined a speech by charles murray at middlebury college. [crowd chanting] spoon up next, we'll talk to a long time the middlebury professor who was taking a stand

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injured a professor escorting moderate so badly she went to the hospital. some professors are fed up with this. people using violence to silence ideas, longtime english professor at middlebury, ask for coming on. >> thank you tucker it's good to be on your show. >> i doubt i'm just guessing you agree with charles murray i don't think you're a figure on the right. >> no. >> tucker: you're distressed about the unwillingness for students to disagree, you've come up with a list of principles, they were great. >> say nice things, go ahead. >> tucker: it's true, only by a contest of clashing viewpoints do we have any hope of replacing opinion with knowledge. a protest to prevent campus speakers to communicate with her on the audience is a coercive act. it all seems like obvious points, great points. are they not commonly shared on campus? >> actually i think they are

commonly shared. dozens and dozens of my colleagues, i've been teaching for 41 years now and i've never seen anything like this before. most of my colleagues i think agree with these basic principles of free speech. this is just free speech 101. nothing i wrote with my great younger colleague keegan callahan in the literal sense l science department. we were horrified with what happened at middlebury last thursday and the shutting down of this speech by dr. murray. we got together this week and said why don't we hammer out what are the basic principles of free speech? more or less for ourselves and let's circulated among the faculty and see if there's some agreement here. it took us only an hour to sit down and say in 1776, america fought the battle of free speech. if these are enlightenment

values. i'm kind of a free-speech fundamentalist and i believe that the function of the university is to provide a place where those of every viewpoint left, right, center, now the rainbow, there's so many on the right and the left, there's different opinions. i think a university if should be if nothing else a place, space where free discourse can happen, where ideas can clash, people can disagree. i think with such a amazing inflection point in american culture right now. i think people are utterly fed up with the coarseness, the incivility of discourse in the united states. i think we've come to a point, this inflection point where we have to step back all of us who are rational human beings, whatever our political viewpoints, whatever candidates or parties we stand for and say to ourselves, what are the basic principles we agree on here? we organize ourselves as a

nation. couple hundred years or more ago this is a place where we talk freely about our ideas spread we set up these universities based on enlightenment principles and we supposedly adhere to them. i hope and believe that my own classrooms are place where students can challenge me and feel free to challenge me, they don't shut me down and i don't shut them down. >> tucker: i'm for that. if there was one point in here was so wise it stirred my heart. a good education produces modesty with respect to our own intellectual powers and opinions as well as openness to consider and contrary views. this is what is lacking in this debate is modesty. people believe their way is right, no one else can have an alternative view. do you think modern university life inculcates that modern stomach modesty in students? >> obviously doesn't it i think it's a problem. i think it's why we have to go back to free speech 101 and what

is the purpose of the universit university. i think inculcating modesty, why should we be modest? i have a lot to be modest about, i don't know that much, i don't know that much, you don't, i don't. i did a biography of robert frost a couple years ago, we all proceed on insufficient knowledge. i think you proceed, here you are i'm sure debating a million people going over a lot of ideas, you proceed on insufficient knowledge come i'm not accusing you of that. >> tucker: i do, of course. >> i proceed in my life and insufficient knowledge. we have to be modest. i think we have to actually teach people modesty. that's where we have failed. the problem is, we're not seeing modesty anywhere in the culture very often. >> tucker: note that's the key to parenthood is raising children who know what they don't know. how many of your college assigned this, what percentage would you say cited? >> i'd say were certainly up to

a quarter we've left it open to march 11th or 12th and every day were getting another dozen or two dozen signatures. i forget what we're up to now, but dozens and dozens and dozens of my colleagues. what's so interesting when i looked over the signatories, i saw young people, old people. i saw people of color and white people. i saw people that i know are hard left, people who are not hard right but right. people who are libertarian. i was quite thrilled by this coming together, i was thinking oh, my goodness we might be at the beginning of something quite wonderful in this culture. maybe it only begins when you have a little conflict like we had here last week. >> tucker: i think that's right, if you get to 65% of the faculty come i'm going to send my kids there. thanks a lot it was great. >> we welcome your children. >> tucker: thank you very much much. we'll talk to a historian and a former victor davis hanson who wrote an amazing article about

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>> tucker: rural americans voted conservative, why is that? california was the bluest state in the 2016 election, but not every part of the state is democratic. many counties in the central valley boated big numbers for donald trump. the hoover institution based in samford university, is also a farmer in the central valley he just wrote a piece entitled why the central valley for its more conservative where he described the 2016 election as a revolt of the forgotten masses against the elites. it was a revolt against "walls in the border are proof of ignorant xenophobia, gated walls around private residences are logical measures to ensure security." thanks a lot for coming on.

how would you summarize -- what is the core cultural difference that creates the divide between rural and urban voters? >> i think it has a lot to do with speech and deeds, thought and action. people in the country tend to be more isolated and how they dress and how they sound are and not as important as what they do. we've gone now a half-century were the best and brightest paradigm where your zip code ended, and brand of education you're stamped with is supposed to mean something at we take that for granted. people out in the country tend to be a little more autonomous, they pump their own water, they deal with their own sewage. a man or a woman that can repair a hydraulic ram in 10 minutes or get on their belly and take on a transmission, that takes a lot of skill and it takes a lot of intelligence and ingenuity. we haven't value to that because we are in this paradigm you leave this prep school and you go to ivy league or stanford and then you get branded, you go to dupont circle upper west side we

consider you wise. people in the interior said wait a minute, we are $20 trillion in debt, you can't speak on a campus without being shouted down. we've got the worst economic growth, who are you smart guys that gave us that? we didn't do it. i think they want to just people with what they do rather than what they say or how they look. >> tucker: there's also the point you make in the piece that the entire system has benefited the people who designed it, here's how you put it. the trump revolt was a push back against the winner-take-all globalization that enrich the populated coasts far more than the spaces in between. my question since you occupy both worlds stanford and central valley, does the coast realized this? that they understand what this was about? >> i don't think they do. i think when they get up in the morning, i'm in a coast right now. my op-ed column is not going to be outsourced to somebody in india. people who do mining and logging

in manufacturing and farming, the material things. they're saying to us you have a granite counter in your kitchen, you have a stainless steel refrigerator those are nice things can we make these things. and we are not outdated and we want to look for somebody who recognizes the worth that we contribute to society. you can't eat an apple, you do have to go back to the elemental essence of food and military security and housing and construction. we are the people who supply it. we don't have degrees, we don't look and sound like you people. if you keep taking us for granted, you're going to get more of the same. that was sort of this tragic shout back to a therapeutic culture. >> tucker: is more than take us for granted, lots of countries have seen this come a tension between countryside and the cities. why the loathing of the people in the cities for the people in the country? >> lets a very good point, that i think is a different subject. the people on the coast or the elites never assume that they have to suffer the ramifications

of their own ideology. people are said to be a xenophobic ornate the vest because they want a wall and then they look at mark zuckerberg who walls around his estate in hawaii. or they say we want reservoirs, we need dams and the people in the coast say that's so preindustrial, we don't do that anymore. and yet san francisco is supplied by water transfers. it's sort of the anger that these people on the coast don't follow the very rules that they apply, whether it's dicaprio flying on a jet and lecturing us about carbon footprints, they don't feel that people follow the same rules that are applied to people in the center. centerfold and blinkered, unemotional response. >> tucker: professor hanson, that was really interesting, thanks a lot for tonight. up the next at universities is

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>> tucker: it looks like a ten euros is slowly dying of the american academy. 40 years ago, 75% of university faculty a tenure-track posts. now just 25% do and they've been replaced by an army of adjunct faculty played at low wages. with college more expensive than other and professors focusing on political activism rather than teaching your kids, is a decline of tender to be lamented? he was once also president of the american association of university professors and an

advocate for tenure, he joins us now. thanks for coming on. >> thank you for how they've made. >> tucker: the idea of tenure originally was to protect academic freedom. the idea was you should be able to say what you believe in a college campus. if it were working, you would say broad diversity of thought among college professors in study after study including one just this fall shows the opposite is true. of the top 40 colleges, democrats out number republicans 12-1. and history departments it was 30-1. that's not diversity it doesn't look like america, is not working, is it? >> there's some disciplines of the humanities which aren't very politically diverse. there are other disciplines, the sciences, technical schools, engineering and so forth where there's a different range of political opinions. frankly in many areas of the universities especially sciences

and technical schools, you wouldn't know what to faculty members political opinions are because they don't teach subject matter that's engaged with politics. it doesn't matter what their politics are, they're never going to express them on campus. in some disciplines english and history, it's different. >> tucker: it is different but again, i'm merely saying the point of tenure is to keep a humanities professor from being penalized for having some opinion outside of the mainstream. what my point is you have total conformity anyway even with tenure. >> think about this. let's just say in the humanities department english or history certain political correctness of political opinion rains. how are you going to empower a few people to speak it differently, to speak their minds and to resist that prevailing opinion. if those people have no job security, if they are hired

year-by-year on a substandard wage, they're not good to put everything at risk by disagreeing, part of what the tenure system does is protect those few faculty who have the courage to speak up honestly and resist prevailing opinion. without tenure then prevailing opinion, political correctness just rules and no one speaks out against it. theoretically the tenure system protects those people. >> tucker: in effect, that's not true, most of us don't have job security, i've been fired, i say whatever i feel like saying, perhaps i'll be fired again. the truth is tenure protects the mediocre, if you don't believe it, ask yourself this. would you will be willing to submit to heart surgery from a surgeon who had tenure? would you fly on an airplane on followed by a pilot who could be fired? they would be less impressive than people who face the pressures of the market. >> over and over again i've seen

it tenure faculty either fired or forced out or was more painful, given some other kind of job. told they can't teach, they have two file books in the library and they're not going to get a salary raise for the rest of their lives. if tenure protects job security, but this doesn't guarantee same responsibilities. you are punished severely. >> tucker: but you still have an income. >> you still have an income. >> tucker: you have what most of us don't have. >> we had a faculty member here who was shunted aside not given a raise for 20 years. in the end, he was earning as much as a teaching assistant. by the time he retired.

universities can be pretty tough on tenured faculty. >> tucker: can ask an obvious question? if it was so frustrated that he wasn't able to pursue his discipline in the way he felt he needed to, why didn't he leave and go somewhere else? maybe it says something about his desires which are to have a get a check in free meals and use the college swimming pool. made doesn't that some say sending about him, i'm not being mean, and being sincere. >> the training for a professorship is anywhere from six to nine years. you then go through a tenure review process takes another six years before you get tenure. all of that is handled properly, it's a pretty good test that you're going to be committed to your job for the rest of your life. it becomes who you are, it's what you do. people don't want to leave the university environment because they grow up in it, they become committed to it.

they don't want any other life. sometimes they could do better financially. >> tucker: let me ask you one final question i want to go back to what i asked earlier and be as honest is to convey. would you want your surgeon to be tenured, honestly? you're going in for an operation on what your life depends. would you want to know that that guy can't really be fired? would you want that? >> first of all i've had surgery from time to time and i investigate the surgeon, i find out what his or her reputation is. how often they operate. tenure wouldn't be the issue. the issue would be whether that person is absently first-rate. they can have job security, but i want to know first-rate. >> tucker: of course he would come you're not crazy. i'm sorry were out of time, i agree with you on that one, you care about if they're good, thanks for joining us. we'll be right back.

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>> tucker: here's something new, a group of professors came up with a pretty interesting idea after the fall election. have two actors reenact the first presidential debate but a woman play over the role of donald trump and the men play the role of hillary clinton. take place in new york city in a theater, professors figure the experiment which show that trump benefited from sexism and his worst behavior would never be tolerated in a woman. instead the opposite happened. audience members many of them liberal logic tree female trumps plainspoken message and they were completely creeped out by mail clinton's constant smiling and man's planing. he called mail clint had really bowl. repeatedly now i understand how this happened. it turns out having a real message transcends everything even gender. pretty interesting.

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