in wisconsin, we had a great risk pool that actually worked so people with real high health care costs and diseases and pre-existing conditions could still get affordable health care. obamacare appealed that. they had a great risk pool in utah. all those are gone under obamacare. here's how they work and here's how our system would work. we would directly support the people with praises and conditions. let me give you a sense of the spirit of 1% of the people in these markets drive 23% of the costs. reinsurance program is to cover more than just the 1%, to cover the people with high health care costs. by having estate innovation funds to go to the states to set up these programs, we would subsidize the people. tech support for the people of pre-existing conditions so that

everybody has cheaper health insurance. what you do when you do this is the individual market, the people who don't have pre-existing conditions, they have much more stable prices. let me give you an example. take a small business that has 40 employees. let's say that for people in that business get cancer. under that business, that business has to pay for those cancer patients. the other 36 people and that 40 person pool get hit with much, much higher premiums to pay for the four-color got cancer. that's how and insurance works today. here's our solution. let's cover the people who had pre-existing conditions. make sure their risk pool has kicked in for those four people who get cancer. what you do by doing that is you dramatically lower and stabilize the price of insurance for everybody else.

those other 36 people in that small business have predictable prices, lower prices. that brings you more choice, more competition and lower prices for the vast vast majority of americans who are not in the pre-existing condition category. directly subsidize them through state-based risk and insurance pull programs that we would finance with support from the federal government to attack prh insurance stabilize, go down in price. here's another thing that's extreme important. one of the problems we have is we don't really have a consumer dynamic in health care. people don't always care what things cost or how good care is going to be because they don't get that information. we actually immunize or block the ability for people to see what things cost in health care or to act like a consumer. let me give you an example. jenna and i have three kids. there are 33 months apart, we call them irish triplets.

our three kids had three tonsillectomy is over the course of three years from the same hospital. i tried to find out what's this tonsillectomy going to cost? i could never get an answer to that question. i only found out what it cost months after the procedure is when i got various bills from the hospital and the variation of price between those three procedures from the same doctor, same hospital is huge. one of them, the recovery bill, the recovery for my son, he sat in a lazy boy, hl, watch spongebob for two hours, there was $1400. this stuff is crazy. this is a law that i helped write and 2003, something that we as conservatives have been fighting for the whole time, we

want to increase health savings account which we do in this bills we have more competition and lower costs. here's a point in trying to make. in 2000, i got lasix surgery. the reason i can see you all so well is because i got this lasix surgery which was elected. entrance and cover it. i knew exactly what the procedure would cost upfront. since then, this laser that does is procedure, has been revolutionized three times in the price is lower. in this area of health care, quality up and cost went down because i cared as a consumer what it was. it's not that that dynamic cannot happen in health care, it's that it isn't happening through most of health care. health savings accounts does is it helps hard-working taxpayers get access to affordable solutions to help them pay for their out-of-pocket costs, but it's also their skin in the game, their money. if they save money by saying to

a health care provider, what is this going to cost me, what is the best value for my money? if they can bring that consumer pressure, we can force monies of americans help us fix this health care problem. that's one of the critical things were trying to achieve here. instead of using other people's money to pay for health care that you don't care what things cost, we want to harness the power of the marketplace, the part of the consumer of the patient and the doctor, to demand better services, to demand better quality, we want transparency on price, quality, so that we can bring consumers to the bear. this is what we mean when we say we want a patient health care system. here is a really important part of our american health care act, refundable tax credits. i want to explain exactly what we mean when we say this. on the current obamacare system, we have a washington controlled system which has skyrocketing

premiums and limiting choices. government makes you by what they want you to buy. our solution is a portal monthly tax credit. this is why we believe this is the right way to go. we want a market-based system which will give lower cost, more competition, and more choices. there is a real problem in the tax that, the taxco discriminates against people who don't get insurance from their job. if you're working and not on medicaid and you have a job that's paying you ten, 12, $15 an hour and that job doesn't give you health insurance, there is nothing the taxco does to help you buy health insurance. what we are saying is that's not fair to the man or woman who was working at a job it is a good health insurance offered to them, let's equalize and give people the same kind of tax benefit to go buy health insurance if they don't get it from their job.

giving a person a monthly portable tax credit gives them the ability upfront to go buy health insurance of their choosing. here's the key. you buy what you want to buy. if you don't want to use her tax credit to go buy health insurance, you don't have to. if you don't want to buy this plan, he went by that plan, go for it. it's your choice, it's called free market health care. the states set up their own health care systems, the states set up their own regulations so you can buy whatever you want to buy where we live. that is called patient's choice, that is called a patient centered system, and that is one of the biggest tools we believe can be used replace obamacare. this is part of replacing obamacare with a system that works to give everybody universal access to affordable coverage. here is where we stand. the current system is riddled with endless regulations that are driving up costs and limiting choices for consumers, and you see how the collapse is

occurring. our solution, greater consumer options, the patient is the nucleus of the health care system. we don't want insurance companies to become monopolies looking for favoritism. we went health insurers, hospitals, doctors, all providers of health care benefits competing against each other for our business as consumers. that is how the free enterprise system works and all other aspects of our lives, that's how much work to in this system as well. the result, you choose the plan that meet your needs. you buy what you want to buy. not with the government tells you to buy. our goal is this. at lower costs, more choices, patients and control, universal access to care. there are two points i would make in conclusion. we as republicans have been waiting seven years to do this.

we as republicans, who fund the creation of this law and accurately predict that it would not work ran for office in 2010, in 2012, in 2014, and in 2016 on a promise. if given the ability, we will repeal and replace this law. how may people running for congress and the senate did you hear say that? how many times to hear president donald trump when he was candidate donald trump say that? this is the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. the time is here, the time is now, this is the moment and this is the closest that will ever happen. it really comes down to a binary choice. we now have the ability, through the budget rules that we have in the senate, with our three-pronged approach to actually make good on our word.

we told people in 2016 what it would look like when we had the chance to replace obamacare. that's what this is. we said in 2016, to our citizens, to the american people, to our constituents, if you give us this chance, this opportunity, this is what we will do. now is our chance and opportunity to do it. questions? report >> reporter: why would somebody not just take it or leave it when you hear for members of the caucus and conservatives say take your bill or change it. number two, when the democrats through a parade in the summer of 2009, there is a criticism of them managers benefit, holding her these criticism from republicans, why we expect someone like that to not emerge in this case to make that bill okay and get their votes? >> i would answer it this way.

what people are talking about, there's a lot of frustration, confusion among conservative groups and even among members is reconciliation has certain limits. there are folks would love to see us put this reconciliation bill, all these other ideas. one group is a saying you better put the ability to buy across state lines and here we won't support it. if we did that, it wouldn't even come up for a vote. the last thing we want to do is prevent our ability to actually get law made. it really is a conversation about the third prong approach. the other bills are going to pass outside of reconciliation by court of the senate. the last point is, as you know the process, but a lot of people don't, we're going to four different committees, that's how

legislation works. we just did a committee last night, were in the middle of the commerce committee, next he goes to the budget committee, than a ghost of the rules committee before close of the house floor. the bill will be out there for my three weeks to be looked at. go to readthebill.gop. it's a hundred 20 page bill, is not too thousand pages of something that they just went together and sent to the floor like they did. we didn't write it and harry reid's office on christmas eve. let's back up a second even further. this bill has been worked on for a year. this bill is worked on from january-june last year's we can offer our constituents and people. we offered it up in june, we ran on it all through the election and now he translated it into legislation. even backing up further, these two key components, that's

something that concerns have been talking about entering about for decades. repealing another entitlement, obamacare, and its mandates, its subsidies, his taxes, and replacing it with republican free market health care tax policies, if you told me ten years ago this is where would be, i would think i'd be in a dream. i'd be doing back flips. to conservatives who have been fighting for health care reform, this is so exciting. what's happening now as numbers realize this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. naturally in the legislative process, people are saying i'd love to have this, i'd love to have that. that's the process that we're going through. what people are learning is this reconciliation tool is pretty tight. there's a lot of stuff we would love to put in the bill, but unfortunately, the senate rules don't allow us to do that. that's where you see a lot of confusion, a lot of frustration, understandably so, but that's

also why we have a three-pronged approach. a ministry of actions by tom price and the additional action that will move as well. >> reporter: you're saying this bill is crafted to meet the reconciliation requirements. >> correct. when we get our score, you typically don't go with your score. i'm sure we'll have to make some tweaks and adjustments, that happens every time we do reconciliation. but yes, this is written -- is called privilege. it's written so it can be filibustered so they have to bring it up and vote on it in the senate. if we put things in this bill that take that privilege off of it so it's not reconciliation, they won't even vote on it. they will filibuster it and they won't even vote on it. that's what i mean when i say, this is the closest we've been to repealing replacing obamacar

obamacare. let me say that again. this is the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. >> reporter: how did you come up with the amount and why should a family that makes more money than a family that makes less get the same amount? >> tax credits is based on the way insurance works. it's modeled after the tom price legislation that he had last year which is adjusted for age and family size. insurance adjuster for more tax credit with the person's age and obviously if you have a bigger family with health care cost, bigger tax credit. why is it set where it is? by the way, 12 members of the freedom caucus were cosponsors of the price legislation just last december. this kind of a tax credit situation. a lot of members, through our

feedback, we had seven-member listening sessions in february, four conferences, getting feedback from our members in this legislation, getting their ideas. one of the concerns was we should cap discredit. like a millionaire love doesn't get health care from network, doesn't get a tax credit. that was it something that we agreed with and the committee made that adjustment. the reason it's set where it is is we don't want to have a job penalty. obamacare produces job lock. obamacare said the equivalent of 2-3 million people will not go into the workforce and take jobs because of the way about your subsidies work. if use of that credit to low and a person lose their credit getting a raise or advancing in life, you don't want to dis- incentivize that. at their set at such a level that that wouldn't occur.

for a middle income family or an upper middle income family, so we never tell a person, don't take that race, don't take that job, don't take that promotion. we don't want federal tax law or tax credits to ever encourage a person not to advance, not to take a job, not to get a raise. that's why. let me go in the back. [inaudible question] >> reporter: >> here's what peot seeing, which is number two. tom price, for legal reasons, can't tell you what he's thinking about doing. there's a lot to prevent that. we can do so much deregulation to the executive branch by the secretary of health and human services. we put one relation out the

other day. they haven't seen yet what our secretary at hhs can do. in phase two, with a dramatically lower the price of health insurance. those companies haven't seen that yet. don't interrupt me. here's the other point. we have a few options in front of us. number one, do nothing, let the system collapse. what the insurers are telling us is if you thought a 25% average premium increase was rough in 2017, it's going to be a whole lot more than that in 2018 and more and more insurers are going to pull out. the insurers are telling us, if we don't know what's going on from late spring, we're going to have massive premium increases in pullouts. what they also tell us, if they repeal the law, got and repeal the law, some will collapse the

individual market. you have to remember, if we repeal obamacare, is not like life in the world goes back to life before obamacare. obamacare did so much damage to the u.s. health insurance system that it's not as if you can go back to the day before. that's why we are offering a better way, that's why we are offering their american health care act, that's why we are offering a system that brings choice and competition back into the marketplace, gives people the use of risk pools, health savings accounts, and tax credits, the ability to go find affordable coverage. that brings insurers back into the marketplace. insurers are telling us, that will bring insurers back to the marketplace. if they can offer the plans of people want to buy, not the plans of people are making them by, they'll have more plans being offered. there'll be more choice and competition. that is what brings down cost. in conjunction, with all the ministry of things that tom price can do, those efforts together can help dramatically save our system and give us a

low cost health insurance, better quality health insurance, and access to affordable health insurance. it don't forget how all this works together. subsidize the sick and pre-existing condition through risk pools and reinsurance. health savings accounts to bring consumers the market place to put pressure on providers to compete for our business based on cost and quality. and then give families who have jobs, but don't have the kind of job that gives him health insurance benefits, the same kind of tax benefit everybody else gets. at the bigley of the year, the mean of the month, they can go buy a plan that best meets their needs. that is how you fix and save system. we're confident it will work that way. give or indulge me, thank you for putting up with my tonal presentation. i think it's really important to try and iron out all the differences, to show that there is folks who say you should have this and that in this bill. reconciliation is a let you do it. we're doing it here. people say these regular

should's are so expensive and so costly, tom price can fix those things. we can fix this problem. we promised the american people we would fix this problem. the way to fix this problem is to repeal obamacare and replace it with a market-based system. this is something in service have been during about four decades. this is a chance and the only chance we'll get and that's why i'm really excited. thank you very much, i appreciate it. a >> harris: we had just been listening to house speaker paul ryan continuing to push the g.o.p. obamacare replacement bell, and laid out three phases to repeal and replace. about 20 minutes or so and many took questions. the speaker went through many aspects in detail in the bill. at three pelican plan, a few years ago cleared its first huddle. this is outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner.

here today, meghan mccain, host of kennedy on fox, kennedy herself, also, speed dagen mcd, also charles payne. >> charles: good to be here. >> harris: are we up to speed? >> charles: did you get that card a monopoly that says go to go and don't collect any money? we are the presentation, is the same one we've heard. first of all, they have to score this thing. >> harris: can you hold? let's start with the news. after a grueling 18 hours, the house ways and means committee become the first to approve the

legislation aimed at replacing obamacare. shortly after 4:00 a.m. this morning, the energy and commerce committee is still debating right now. they passed the 24-hour mark. by the looks of it, members and staffers are snoozing. meanwhile, the dealmaker and house working behind the scenes to get wavering republicans on board. president trump is courting conservatives started yesterday afternoon and reportedly planning a bowling party for the conservative freedom caucus next tuesday. the president had his one time better rival, ted cruz and his wife over for dinner at the white house last night. some key republicans say they believe the process to send obamacare into the history been may be moving too fast. >> i don't think we need to introduce legislation on monday and have one chance to amend it on wednesday. that's what they did with obamacare and that's one reason why obamacare has seen so many people lose their insurance or lose access to their doctors, just like the promises that were made. i would much sooner get health care reform right get it

fast. >> harris: i know you're in trouble when charles was writing and took out his calculator. patient centered market-based program is with the speaker called it. >> charles: essentially what they're saying is we can have a plan our people have insurance, but they can't use it because it's too expensive. we obviously know people lost their doctors, everything that was promised from premiums going down, all of that was wrong. we've heard that and that's why the republicans are now beginning power by the wreck in public to fix this thing. it's the big rub here on tax cr, even when speaker ryan -- even if you don't buy insurance, you had to keep them. that's going to rub a whole lot of people the wrong way. already it's been noted that the

top 1%, if you take away all the taxes associated will pocket an extra $33,000. i don't have a problem with that, the american public may. ultimately, we want to make sure people to get health care. >> harris: you would be collecting that. >> charles: i think politically, listen, there are serious political hurdles with this. >> harris: just one thing my 26 years old, because for those of us were military dependents, and we know that's how the government works. that would be consistent with other policies that are out there. >> dagen: can i just quickly push back on something he was saying about these republicans who are members of the freedom caucus who are pushing back on this plan? tom price had a plan since 2009. the last bill he put together, 84 g.o.p. is co-signed onto it,

north carolina's mark meadows has now gotten religion about these tax credits. they think we are pushing back now. you know the bill does, it reforms medicaid. it goes from block grants to an open ended funded system. >> harris: what about states that can afford to do about the federal government's help? >> dagen: the states are getting $100 billion. essentially, this is a shell game of medicaid because there's a lot of republicans who have been saying that we have to block -- they undertake federal government out of this is much as possible. democrats are relying on medicaid to ensure a majority of americans who are on these exchanges. now is not the intention of medicaid and therefore, even if it is not the obama level expansion, you are still increasing the federal government's role. no matter what they say, the

biggest problem here is the tax credit, because if you have zero due at the end of the year for your tax bill, -- a >> meghan: that's on the biggest problem. the biggest problem is you paul ryan going on tv -- i don't know who told him to do this in this fashion. everyone was born on the couch watching. i was making jokes with charles about how boring it was. i think some of this has to do with the fact that it looks like republicans don't have our ducks in a row. i don't understand why it's so difficult for someone to get someone on tv took slaves in a fashion that is easy and accessible to understand. both of you have helped me understand it in a more collective way. this does real damage to the fight there at right now. >> harris: curiosity took

over, because it was not necessarily getting to the issues. >> charles: it did get to the issues. >> meghan: you think it was effective? >> harris: i don't think was effective that everyone understood it, but people were clamoring to understand it. >> dagen: you're right about the three parts, the first of what they're going to do. >> kennedy: that's important to get a number of republican senators and congressmen. what is a timeline for that three-pronged system? they have to be tight in there with some sort of a guarantee. i'm not hearing that. >> harris: the fact that some

of these lawmakers feel like they don't have enough time to get through all of it. >> charles: he said this is the best and only chance that the g.o.p. has. if it is work right now, with all the political power that he has and the way the republicans clamoring for, -- >> dagen: if you're republican and you don't vote for this, this is a road to single-payer and you are breaking with chuck schumer. >> harris: i'm wondering why it took all of this over 24 hours, why they didn't have the plans together. it is just a question that many are asking. new developments now on the newest wikileaks dump. what the web site says is exposing cia's cyber secrets. the new theories about who could be behind it. the wikileaks founder is a speaking out. i had frequent heartburn, but my doctor recommended...

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>> kennedy: federal authorities opening up a criminal investigation to this week's massive wikileaks dump, which a web site says exposes how the cia can hack into smartphones, computers, even internet connected televisions. all this as theories emerge on who is behind the leak. the cia believes it was a insider, a network breach or a combination of the tube. in the meantime, we are also learning that the feds knew about the leak since last fall. for more, catherine herridge joins us live from washington. >> the fbi are deploying a highly specialized team created after the 2013 at nsa leak. a short time ago, the head of wikileaks had a news conference. he said the cia created more

than 30 types of malware and sloppy security expose the file. >> the cia was so careless to produce this material and lose control of it, at least once and it has spread. >> he implies the information may also be in the hands of criminal syndicates. he also claimed the u.s. consulate in germany is a hacking base to spy on its allies in europe and abroad. he reinforced the claim of the cia bypass encryption. >> doesn't matter what encryption you're running, it can bypass encryption, it can turn on the microphones, it can monitor movements, it can activate the camera.

>> the white house spokesman said in a briefing yesterday that president trump is deeply concerned. >> as you can imagine, the president is externally concerned about this. make no mistake about it, i think the president said before, anybody who leaks classified information will be held to the highest degree of the law. >> in response to the news conference, he is hardly a beacon for integrity as well as the truth. >> kennedy: thank you very much. let's open it up to the couch. charles, there's a lot to discuss here. he has been accused of being a sympathizer with russia who is trying to cause further chaos in this country. what do you think? >> charles: i've always been

torn with respect to him, but the information has come out of wikileaks has been x were nearly helpful to the american public. even though there have been reports, and i don't know many people know that their samsung tv maybe spying on them in the bedroom, but the leak issue is one that is out there. i hope it doesn't fade away. i like to make note that the cia does not spy on us domestically, i like to see the fbi get a better reputation in this country. this is an opportunity. it's an opportunity for the intelligence community to really step up. >> kennedy: we talk about cyber security from and without. now some of these federal investigators are saying we don't know if it was a disgruntled whistleblower within the agency or if it was someone from outside just trying to cause more political harm. >> dagen: the person on the outside is wikileaks trying to destroy america and destroy our values. why don't ever leak any

information about china or russia for example? i wish i could shoot lasers out of my eyes, because i would find that guy. and terms over they disclosed and the people put at risk because of this in the millions of dollars lost, the man hours lost, and now an investigation into this. i'm always appalled that people are like, the cia is a spying on me, but they freely posted the most intimate information on facebook and photos and they make money off of them. >> kennedy: you have to realize is a difference between entering into a verbal contract and an agreed-upon commitment with someone like facebook or google where you sign into facebook. you're giving that information as opposed to the government taking it. >> dagen: i recognize that. however, as we become more di lives completely move online, alexa is listening to you all the time.

as we move that way and our personal lives, the federal government can protect our lives, they have to keep up with that. >> kennedy: i guess is the assumption of protection. now that we're learning that alexa is listening all the time, our tvs might be spying on us, it gives incentives to these companies to have greater encryption and protection. there is no incentive for the government to stop spying. >> meghan: i think anyone who defends the head of wikileaks is crazy. the direct links to the rise of isis and the exposures that have come out. be careful what you make of him when he was helping people understand of the corruption is of hillary clinton. i didn't need his help to know that. i wish we had more faith in our intelligence committees to put their lives in a line to give us safe. what he just did a few days ago puts them and our nationals occurred at risk. >> kennedy: a fierce debate on immigration. announcing a major drop in

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the >> harris: fox news alert on what we are watching now. we are waiting for the daily white house briefing to begin. we are fully anticipating the biggest news on illegal immigration. at the nation's homeland security chief announced a 40% drop in people illegally crossing our southern border from mexico in february. it president trump's first full month in office. the number fell under just 19,000 compared to 31,000 in january. john kelly says it shows a market change and trend since the administration's

implementation of executive orders to force immigration law laws. those are impressive numbers, does it make people feel safer? >> charles: sure, but let's acknowledge that there was a mom's rush, if you will come up before the inauguration. you probably look at december and there is an increase. i think people outside of this country probably take donald trump more seriously than people in this country. they understand whether you're a terrorist to want to come in here or you're just an illegal person who wants to come in and find a job here, whatever it is, he's serious about this. some of them are going to waste their time, because they know that laws that have not been enforced before, like border laws, are now being enforced. it >> harris: the reason i share with national security, is that the president said it was urgent. that's not to estimate that everyone coming across our

southern borders are dangerous, obviously not. since that was his priority, kennedy, . >> kennedy: it's interesting, because illegal border crossings in this country are tied to improving economy. it may not be everyone's favorite barometer, but it's a pretty good one. actually, the border crossings of started going down into thousand nine, and they've really been on the way down on the way since. the economy and mexico is improving, see you have people in mexico just incentivized to come over, also there's the perception that the shift is very powerful. that's very real for people wondering whether or not they should pay $8,000 to a coyote to make the journey across the desert. >> harris: megan, you are intimately familiar with the issues because you come from a border state, we both do. we understand what it means when numbers change. politically, what is this what the president?

>> meghan: fantastic. whether or not he deserves the credit for this, he will get it. it's a great thing to run on coming up in the midterm election. i think it's as simple as when you make a grand statement, new sheriff in town, laws will be enforced, i think this is the repercussions of it. i think a lot of people in this country, i still believe he won ayn and ran on this. >> harris: i saw these numbers numbers. the democrats have been quiet, i'm sure they've seen it. why have they been so quiet? >> dagen: because they have no argument for it. this before comes policies are enacted. it breaks a 20 year trend, there is usually an increase in february, a double-digit increase. again, to say that we are going to have local law enforcement and force immigration, that you don't get to stay in this

country if you're caught, you don't even get to stay here, waiting for your hearing. you have to go back across the border. if they really start delivering on that and a big way, those numbers will drive border crossings down even more. >> harris: i imagine people tried to credit for that in the past administration, but the argument here is that it really is the perception of policy. democrats are reportedly already planning their first call for 2020 white house contenders. who will emerge as the parties next big star? or will he find out just how empty the bench is for democrats honey, do we have like a super creamy cheese with taco spice already in it? oh, thanks. bon appe-cheese! okay... remember when you said men are supeyeah...ivers? yeah, then how'd i get this... ...allstate safe driving bonus check?

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i will mention a name left off the short-list is representative tim ryan who tried to take nancy pelosi on. he basically got shut down. >> he may run for governor, though. he has statewide aspirations. he is young enough that he can run. >> people wanting to go there -- >> how about oprah? speaker sheet through her name out there last week. >> she was asked about it, and she said before she would not have considered it, but now she is thinking. she just said thinking. >> i do not think the pendulum is going to continue to swing in the billionaire favor. i think president trump is a political unicorn, and his brand of fairy dust will not be replicated by any of these big eyed deep-pocketed dreamers. >> go home town, folksy, middle of the country if i were advising democrats, their survey not listening to me, don't listen to their own party, just nancy pelosi. >> who do you see on the list?

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