president of the united states? that's all the time we have left this evening. we'll have more about the deep state to marinat and unafraid. "the first 100 days" with martha starts right now and the trump interview with tucker tomorrow. >> martha: breaking tonight, at the battle of a repeal and replace is crucial to the succes or failure of the first 100 days of this presidency. it is not only liberal versus conservative, but a battle to define trump ism, and to find a marriage between this... >> the lower 25%, they can't afford the private. >> universal health care? >> i will take a care of everybody. everybody will be taken care of. >> martha: you have that and you have this. >> this is it. if we don't get this through, the goal of repealing obamacare

and instituting a system that hold patient centered is unbelievably difficult. this is the vehicle to do that. >> martha: here is the question. as of the government or taxpayer's duty to make sure that everybody in this country has a health insurance policy? obamacare said yes. but we see what happened, the costs have been driven out of control, insurers have left, and the insured are paying thousands of dollars out of pocket before they even get to the deductible come anywhere near anything that can be called coverage. a lot of states are down to one single provider, essentially, providing no choice at all. the g.o.p. plan on the table says it will ultimately get us lower costs and more competition in the marketplace. the most conservative or libertarian members say that the plan will not pass. they want to get the federal government out of the health care business and they want to kick medicaid grants back to the states and let them allocate the money.

here is their argument. watch. >> we didn't tell the voters we would repeal obamacare but keep a bunch of the taxes for an extra year and bring back the cadillac tax. we didn't tell them we would repeal obamacare but take the medicaid extension. we didn't tell them we would provide insured subsidies and the bell and have a 30% penalty even though the mandate is gone. >> there is no three-step process, there is no three-step plan. that is political talk, politicians. there is not going to be phase three legislation, it is one and done. >> martha: it is day 54 of the first 100. i am martha maccallum. tonight, we welcome speaker paul ryan, the driving force behind that. mr. speaker, welcome. >> congratulations on the gig. >> martha: thank you. great to have you heard tonight. let start with your colleagues on the hill, you just heard the sound from tom cotten and jim jordan and the house. what is your answer to them? >> first of all, this is the replacement plan that we ran on. remember, we had been saying for a while over a year that we want

to repeal and replace obamacare. the president made it very forceful in his campaign, also, since the campaign, that we will repeal and replace at the same time. this is something we have all been saying we will do. we want to replace obamacare, a government run program, with market competition, where people can do what they want to become a real choice. we worked on was bill starting january 2 of 2015 and i started this bill from january to june, ran on it all fall, then, transmitted into legislative text. now, passed with unanimous vote set of two of our committees. we are in the four committee process. it is going through regular order on its way into law. sure, there are people who have concerns or criticisms, but that is what happens when you get consensus. as a governing party, we have an obligation to keep our promises, to pass the reforms that we told people we would pass if we got this opportunity, to be in the majority. we are doing that.

>> martha: you have a lot of folks kicking and screaming. i want to pull up the headlines that were in the news today. "ryan constituents turn our bible care two-point oh." they talk about jumping ahead of ryan at his own district. does it feel like you are getting the squeeze to come up with a new plan to start over or allow amendments to the plan you came up with? >> no, not at all. this is the plan we ran on. we want to get members feedback. this is a legislative process. we are halfway through a four committee process. then, goes to the senate. we are keeping this bell intact but we are obviously going to make some modifications for members feedback. we want constructive engagement and feedback. that is what is happening, going to the committee process. with the house passes it, it goes to the senate. senators have an issue, a problem, they have their own process to go with over there. i would suggest to senators should amend the bill when it comes over there. this is the legislative process. the point here, martha, as we

are of repealing and replacing obamacare with a plan that we have been running on all along. >> martha: your argument from your colleague, mr. speaker, it is not the plan they feel they ran on. they feel, jim jordan, you hard in the introduction, they are too many taxes that are still in this plan, he doesn't like the medicaid expansion. the cadillac tax being drawn out. his argument is, basically, still paying for everyone to be covered at a federal level and that is not what he feels voters voted for in the fall. >> the medicaid expansion goes away in three years instead of two years. that is to allow the tax credits to catch up. that is a pretty minor modification. as far as the cadillac tax, i want to repeal it fully, forever, it is the senate rules. here are some people are concerned about her frustrated. we have to write this in such a way that it can't get filibustered, passed with 51 votes in the senate. that means, this legislation can't have everything we wanted it. that is why we have a three-part

process, which is, part one, 51 votes, repeal and replace, this bill. part two, tom price d regulates the marketplace and must the states go back to opening a market competition so that the states regulate health care. that is a huge -- >> martha: a concern out there that those two parts won't happen because you need votes to get those through. you won't happen. >> no, that is not true. part one is 51 votes, part two, there is no votes, if tom price does this with his flexibility. part three, the tom cotton claim. it is clear that democrats won't help us on a lot of things, like repealing obamacare. that is why we are using reconciliation. but these bills that we are talking about, part three, were never in the bill we passed last year, in 2015. they can't because of reconciliation rules. i do think that democrats will be pretty hard to be standing up against things like association health plans. let a farmer by their insurance for national farm bureau association complain, let a

restaurant tour buy their association -- insurance through the restaurant association. i look forward to democrats killing that bill. >> martha: whether or not you are flexible about changing this bill on the house side. center my conical said that he is open to amendments on the senate side. when i listen to jim jordan, it makes you wonder if you will get -- you can only use 22 votes in the house. he's got 40 members of the freedom caucus. you might not good enough to pass it. are you willing to make changes? are you open to that? >> just so you know, that is what we have been doing all along. this entire process. of course, that budget committee takes this up on thursday, so those discussions about what kind of modifications, those are ongoing discussions. to be when you were hoping to changing? >> of course. we got to make sure we had the sweet spot, get consensus, get it done. we don't want to have some endless thing. it's been seven years long, we have to make good on our promises.

we have to make sure we keep consensus, so, we pass this bill. the freedom caucus members who voted for this and i committees already voted for this. this is modeled after tom price's bill that he introduced as recently as december, which had one dozen freedom caucus members as a cosponsor. i feel like we're in a good place. of course we want to listen to our members and make improvements to the bill, so long as those improvements don't make a bill harder to pass. >> martha: you spoke to the president today, he has got to rand paul on one side arguing for a different kind of bill, he has you who he has spoken to quite a bit, what did he say to you today? >> we talked about how we are executing, getting this done. we talked about dividing up labor, who does what and how to read it make sure we stick to landing and getting it done. we were making sure about details about the kind of changes we are looking at, details about the legislative process, timeline, deadlines, the status check. it was the second time i talked to him today. we talked pretty darn often, almost every day.

>> martha: he is encouraging you to stay flexible? >> it is not that we need the encouragement to stay flexible. we have been talking about these things, we've been working with the members about how we can make improvements to this bill without derailing the bill or making it harder to pass the bill. we've been wrong with talking with members about how to make improvements of the bill. basically, we are working and making sure that everybody is on the same page. this it bill written with the white house and the senate all along working out the same document, the same page. we check in with each other on a very frequent basis. that is what this was. >> martha: i want to get your response to this audio that came out this morning, i'm sure you heard about it. i will play a little piece of it. i want to give you a chance to respond to it. let's play it. >> i am not going to be friends donald trump. not now, not in the future. you guys know i have real concerns about the nominee, i hope you appreciate that i am doing what i think is best for you, now does her best for me. i want to do what is best for

the members. i think that that is the best thing to do. i'm not going to try to defend him. i'm going to focus on congress. i'm going to focus on upholding our values. >> martha: back on october 10th after the ""access hollywood"" tape came out. a lot of people are speculating it came out today because people want to press you for other reasons, health care. what do you think? >> i am really thick-skinned, martha. that is ancient history, back then, when that video came out. it is no secret that donald and i can with the president and i, had our ups and down. we merged forces. i campaigned with mike pence, i supported on the trunk -- donald trump. we have been working hand and glove. i got really thick skin. this is ancient history. i'm surprised it is a story. >> martha: do you think people are trying to take it down, put a chink in your armor during the health care battle? >> i don't even give it much thought. it is not part of my day job to worry about things like that,

so, i don't worry about it. >> martha: figure paul ryan, thank you so much. good to have you. governor mike huckabee and former advisor to president obama austin schools be reacted to speaker paul ryan at the new efforts to blame the speaker if it fails. plus, new developments in middlebury college. it left a professor hospitalized when students didn't like what a conservative speaker had to say. a student to their response. former education secretary bill bennett tells us why the teaching profession on college campuses is largely to blame. campuses is largely to blame. [changing]

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amendments will he be willing to bring them to win over the more conservative members of the house to back the proposed health care bill. a lot of what has been getting lost in this debate, what does this bill do? how does that change existing obamacare law and what exactly does the more conservative wing want? we go to trace gallagher, and the west coast newsroom, who boils it down. >> of the five biggest takeaways from the g.o.p. health care plan, one of the most controversial appears to be the cuts to medicaid. for context, prior to the affordable care act, medicaid was intended for low income families, pregnant women, children, the disabled, and the elderly. since the affordable care act went into effect, an initial 11 million people enrolled in medicaid. the g.o.p. plan would not affect those people at all or anyone else who enrolls prior to 2020. but after "20/20", medicaid expansion would be cut back, saving the federal government an estimated $880 billion by

2026. leading to an estimated 14 million fewer people getting medicaid coverage. for those who would no longer qualify for medicaid, the hope is they would be covered by alternate plans. though, some governors, including g.o.p. governors, worry about their state looting losing federal dollars. also causing controversy is the estimate that by 2026, an additional 24 million people would be uninsured. with 14 million of those becoming uninsured as early as next year. house speaker paul ryan has downplayed the numbers, saying, the reason more people won't have insurances because they will no longer be mandated to have insurance. the cbo agrees that not having a mandate certainly plays a part, but the cbo also says affordability plays a part. and just to be clear, they g.o.p. bills eliminate tax penalties beginning in 2016, so, if you didn't have individual insurance or if you are supposed to offer your employees health

insurance but you didn't, you won't have to pay a fine for last year or future years. but some lawmakers, including kentucky g.o.p. senator rand paul, say the republican bill still has a mandate because there are still penalties. listen to him. >> there is also an individual mandate, believe it or not. instead of paying the ban it to the government, they will tell you you have to pay the mandate to an insurance company. >> because of the criticism of the house bill, some senators say this should be taken one step at a time, first, a clean repeal of the affordable care act, followed by a well thought out replacement. martha. >> martha: thank you. here now, governor mike huckabee and austan goolsbee, former advisor to president obama and a professor at the university of chicago school of business. welcome, good to have you here. trace laid it out well, governor huckabee, i will start with you. is this a bill that will improve this situation for people who do not like obamacare?

>> it will force some of them, martha. let's be real clear, i will be honest with you and everybody who was watching. this is not a wonderful panacea. there will be people who right now have health care who may not be able to afford the new version because we don't know what the market is going to be. the fact that there are -- elimination of the mandate, both individually come also, the coverage benefits, that is a good thing because those were unconstitutional. it is also what made it financially feasible. i think the republicans are playing a little bit of a word again when they say they will and subsidies but then, come on the back end with tax credits. here is the problem. if you are a poor person, you don't need a tax credit because you can't wait for a year to get your money. you need the money now so you can afford the health care. i think that is a little bit misleading to say that, golly, we have done this wonderful thing by ending the subsidies, like it is a fiscal error of responsibility.

but the truth is, you are still subsidizing it, just doing it in a way that poor people can't afford. >> martha: here is the problem for president trump. he is in the middle, to some extent. this is what he promised. let's play that. >> save medicare, medicaid, and social security without cuts. have to do it. get rid of the fraud, get rid of the waste and abuse, but to save it. >> martha: a couple things here. one, he is being pulled in one direction by rand paul, the more conservative wing of the party, the other direction by paul ryan, who was saying, let's get something done, let's put something on your desk that we can sign and get this ball rolling. austan, what do you think? >> i think what you said is correct. i thought that with the governor said was well thought through. i think in the white house, they are looking at this, they are trying to decide, is this a chernobyl style meltdown or merely a fukushima? they are trying to get their

name off of this. they want to have nothing to do with this. number one, it is a direct violation of one of the central promises that donald trump made when he was campaigning, that he would not cut medicaid. it is an $880 billion cut to medicaid. then, second, you pile on that the cbo score says that 24 million people are going to lose their health insurance or not have health insurance. >> martha: some people think that is true, some people think that is not true, some people think that cbo is so politicized that you can't trust them. they were way off on obamacare, as you know, austan. a lot of people believe that their numbers are off, as well. >> be careful, martha. the white house has their own internal numbers on the white house's own numbers were actually worse than what the cbo said. i think the fact that every democrat and something like half the republicans are expressing major reservations about this bill means --

>> martha: once you give people something, it is almost impossible to take it away. the other thing that strikes me in the sound bite from president trump, governor huckabee, to look for theto med. president obama said the exact same thing. it never happened. i don't know if it ever will. we will see. your thoughts? >> one of the reasons we don't fix medicaid is because we don't make it realistic. turn medicaid over to the state, make it a block grant, but give the governors of flexibilities or do co-pays, deductibles and premiums. if you don't do that, you are never going to be able to sustain the costs because you don't control the utilization. why would a person go to a doctor tomorrow if he can go to the emergency room right now at 10:00 at night and still not pay anything? but make the difference a $10 versus $100 payment. now, you have a reason you will control utilization. some of this is common sense. >> martha: is this going to pass, governor? >> i don't think the current form will pass exactly like this.

that is typical of legislation. everybody takes their spoon into the kitchen, everybody wants to be a chef. a lot of people will get to add some spice before the recipe is finished. >> martha: gentlemen, thank you. good to see you, as always. still ahead tonight, the actress ashley judd is triggered at a basketball game after she met, simply match, a supporter of president trump. dana loesch here with her message on that. plus, free speech on college campuses in the age of trump is approaching crisis level. a fallout continues from a recent incident at middlebury college that left an invited speaker mobbed and a professor hospitalized. former education secretary bill but not here with his thoughts on that tonight. he calls the adults in charge at the university's feckless. and he is a prescription for fixi constipated? trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief.

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♪ >> martha: developing tonight, the middlebury college protest on march 2nd that silenced an invited speaker become a well-known writer charles murray, also sent to the hospital the popular professor whom he was speaking with that night kim has continued to get national attention. the controversy setting up a

larger conversation about free speech on american college campuses. a student from another very wrote this. for many, self-proclaimed liberals who claim themselves on openness and tolerance, it is a shame how they readily exclude and judge harshly those with opposing views. indoctrination and alienation are not the ways to introduce more progressive ideals to conservatives, open conversation, and listening." he has tried, in vain, to get an editorial that that is a part of publisher in the middlebury newspaper, apparently the folks who were in the newspaper haven't been interested in that viewpoint. perhaps they will change their mind. joining me now, bill bennett, former education secretary and host of "the bill bennett show," good to see you tonight. thanks for being here. >> thank you. you're welcome. >> martha: this young man wrote this letter to me. he has tried very hard to get his perspective heard by some and read by the student body in the newspaper.

so far, it hasn't happened. he thinks it may happen now. your thoughts on all of this? >> is he a student at middlebury? >> martha: yes, sir. >> is he alive? is he okay? has anybody checked on him? >> martha: he's fine. very strong in the face of all of this. >> yes, for telling the truth, he got a medal at middlebury. probably a transfer from a community college are up someplace that makes sense. maybe this is the endpoint. some very smart people have written this is the tipping point. i don't think so. there is no end of the nonsense on college campuses. the real embarrassment is not trust the students, i mean, you can send your child to middlebury come over you he hang out with an idiot who were screaming, or, if he takes it seriously, he can become an idiot himself. you can do that for $62,000 a year and ranked number four and

u.s. news & world report. it is ridiculous. the president of the college stood up there and talked about, the students were screaming, not letting charles murray's become a brilliant man, one of the most brilliant people in america, wouldn't let him speak. she was talking about how much he disagreed with him. i will tell you it tops it all off, martha. there was a letter published on this. did you read "the new york times" by the woman professor whose neck was gendered and hair was pulled? she wrote "the new york times" on monday. you know who she play and donald trump. you bet. anyway, that is where we go in the land of milk and maple syru maple syrup. >> martha: there has also been something put out by the college sink if they wanted to let people know useful information regarding charles murray, ed was from the admissions folks. they wanted to make it very clear, they went through pains to put as much distance between themselves, the college and a speaker. they said, we did entire charles

murray, we didn't ask him to come. it was a student book. we don't subscribe to his views. in light and everyone at home, what is so controversial about charles murray? >> they call him a white nationalist. charles is one of the most open-minded, liberal minded people in the world. they are attacking the bill curve, cognitive stratification, do they read books there? i wonder how many of them read the book. this happens all the time. i haven't been invited to a college campus like this forever. i had 32 honorary degrees, martha, before i joined the reagan administration. after that, i got four in 30 years. i have been told that my views are not welcome on a campus. i have been told that free

speech does not apply to people who disagree with what the faculty is talking about. it is horrendous. the real embarrassment here is the people who pay $62,000 a year for it, for their kids, thinking that they will get this prestigious degree, not that procedures prestigious, by the way. >> martha: the biggest travesty is that they are not being educated, they are not hearing different viewpoints in order to develop their own opinion. they are being brainwashed because they are only hearing one side of the story and they have to wait until they get out of college to open their mind and hear different viewpoints. bill bennett, thank you very much. we will continue on the story and have you back. good to see you. a big first for the trump administration, secretary of state rex tillerson lands in tokyo, japan, and just hours, tasked with projecting american strength in the nation, analyst say is reaching a boiling point. jack keane joins us in moments of thought is really at stake with this important visit and

the changes under donald trump, the president, , and his milita. reaction tonight by major moves in the administration is to take on the allegedly unaccountable federal bureaucracy. we are seeing the deconstructive of the administrative state. are we? we'll get there when we

>> martha: breaking tonight, secretary of state rex tillerson is just hours from touching down in tokyo, japan, the first top on this highly anticipated trip to asia. the visit comes as many experts say as the region is as complex as dangerous as it has ever been. "the wall street journal" noting mistakes. one country in particular of utmost importance with a headline that went this way. "to china, america finally looked small more appropriate" on top of that, mr. tillerson'so comes after a week after missiles came close to the japan coastline. reporting tonight from tokyo.

>> and just a few hours, secretary of state rich rex tiln will stop in tokyo, japan. a top secretary tillerson's agenda will be north korean aggressions, the continuation of a ballistic missile and nuclear weapons programs. to counter that, the u.s. is encountering --dash agreed to deploy drones of the missile defense system to south korea. the chinese government views that as a threat. the united states denies that and says it is only installing those systems to defend south korea from its northern neighbors. >> we differ in our viewpoints on the way forward. but in no way are we going to back away from our obligations to our allies, south korea, and doing the utmost we can do for not only the defense of our forces but the defense of the

korean people. >> there is also a significant economic component to this trip. as president trump is promised to remake the tray dynamic with asia, he is already done so substantially, withdrawing the united states from the 12 country trans-pacific partnership, the free grade agreement that japan was negotiating. among his first meetings, secretary tillerson will be meeting with the japanese prime minister. martha. >> martha: thank you. joining me now with mark, general jack keane, chairman of the institute for the study of war and a fox or military analyst. good to see you. big trip for rex tillerson, a number of people have been in this position. he is new to the job. the former ceo of exxonmobil. he will speak with leaders in japan and china. what should be at the top of his list? >> clearly cover north korean aggression is the number one subject. we have had 20 years of three presidents trying to leverage

china to change north korea's behavior. the result, they have a nuclear arsenal and have developed medium-range ballistic missiles in intercontinental must also they intend to up and eyes of nuclear weapons. that is highly dangerous to the security of the united states, puts our bases in the region at risk come up with the american people at risk. that is totally unacceptable. what tillerson will be telling that you are coming down with north korea with a military option only. we will have no other choice but to conduct some type of strikes, kinetic, cyber attack, or both, on those launch facilities, so, they do not launch those weapons. that is what is in front of us. >> martha: is that a move that president trump will make? >> absolutely. i cannot imagine a president of the united states accepting a recognized icbm launched from an aggressive nation like north korea. we cannot put the american people at risk.

>> martha: it's fascinating to see the posterior changing in terms of the trump administration and the way they are going about things. many people disagree with some of these moves. in terms of the ability of our military to do on the ground what they feel they need to do, big story in "the new york times" the other day, that he is loosening their ability to go after terrorists and to hit targets in places like yemen and somalia. it is that a big change and it is that a change that is necessary? >> it's a big change and it's necessary. we've had three former secretaries of defense. all complain about the obama administration micromanaging military operations. so much so that the enemy adapted to it and weren't flexible enough to react to an enemy in time. now, with the president has done, he has reestablished trust with civilian leaders who are overseeing the military and the military commanders themselves.

they give us the intent, the military commanders, what we are trying to accomplish. you go out and accomplish that, you do not have to ask permission for every air strike you want to conductor every operation you want to conduct. that is the way it should work. finally, this president is putting that back and play their way it needs to be. >> martha: do you believe he is listening to the military commanders in the field and doing what they say. in terms of the diplomacy that rex tillerson will need to address here, russia has tried to supplant us in many ways in these arenas. they are selling equipment, fighter jets to these countries, where we used to be the dominant supplier of them. in many ways, they don't use anymore. perhaps that is what drove some of that headline, china sees america not for the first time is vulnerable. >> chinese have been trampling on the u.s. interests and the interests of our allies, and the western press for threat, for

the last eight years. they have literally had their way. so much so that our allies are very concerned. russia, and the middle east, has been trying, and succeeding at replacing the united states has the most influential country in that region, arms deals, nuclear power plants, you name it, they've been doing it. this is what is happening. >> martha: thank you very much. good to have you here. still ahead, ashley judd left shaken after encountering a trump supporter face to face at a basketball game. dana loesch is here with her response to the actresses call for increased safe spaces to prevent these sorts of things from happening. plus, president trump's executive order calls for cutting spending and staffing at federal agencies. can you imagine? are we seeing what steve bannon called the destruction of the administrative state? mollie hemingway end by night away and next their experience is coveted.

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>> the deconstruction of the meditative state. they were selected for a reason, the deconstruction. the way the progressive left runs is that they can't get it passed, they will put it into some sort of regulation in an

agency. that will all be deconstructed. >> martha: that was president trump's steep my chief strategist, steve bannon, describing one of the main objes of this administration. boy, does it have folks in the u.s. bureaucracy uneasy. yesterday, while the media focused on russia and other health care stories, the president chipped away at that administrative state, signing an executive order that required a review of every federal agency to look for cuts. mollie hemingway, senior editor at the federalist, matt bennett, former deputy assistant to president bill clinton, and cofounder of the third way. this is war. this is battle with the bureaucracy that lives within the beltway of d.c. they are not happy about it, mollie. >> i hope that this is war. i hope the trump administration understands the need to take on the size and scope of our bureaucracy, which has so much power, so many regulations, a

really big problem with lack of transparency and lack of accountability. i think people understand, looking at the past few years can we have an irs that targets political opponents. we have a veteran affairs it administration that has systematic incompetence that has led to the death of americans. we have serious problems with bureaucracy and it will require not just executive orders like what we saw yesterday, but the fortitude to see it through to the end, to deal with the waste, fraud, much mismanagement, the control and power that bureaucracy has over americans lives. >> martha: this is a very big story. it goes to the heart of simple questions like, can you make a 20% cut in your agency. i think there is reason, matt, why steve bannon said this cabinet was selected intentionally. the last cabinets have been accused of not having anybody from the business world. a lot of these folks are from the business world and i understand what it means when a ceo says, i got to take 10% out of your group, find a way.

>> martha, that's true. don't forget where we are. this is after many years of budget sequestration, their barges have been quite dumb at caught radically. >> martha: the defense budget has been cut radically, nothing else. >> no, it was all non-defense budgets were cut other than the entitlement programs. the programs have been cut really deeply already for many years. now, this is going to go below the bone and into real muscle. >> martha: how can that be? we have more tax dollars going into the u.s. government than ever before. you look at education, and many of the most difficult areas for education, you have a higher dollar amount going towards each student than ever before. the problem is not money. the problem is efficiency. that is what he is trying to get at the heart of. whether or not he will succeed i have no idea. the forces pushing back against this will be tremendous. >> don't forget what we are

talking about. we are talking about keeping our drinking water safe, talking about keeping our skies and air safe, talking about protecting wildlands, doing things that people really, really care abou about. yes, we are spending more money but we are bigger country. we are growing. we have 330 million people in this country. it takes money. >> martha: those are scary things. is that when we are talking about? >> noel. we saw 20,000 pages added to the federal register. thousands of new regulations, including some that are significant with the economic impacts. you see that federal agencies grow in a way that is correlated with the size of regulatory growth. it has tremendous economic impact. more than that, it has impact on the freedom from americans to live their lives how they choose, i do have jobs they choose, to raise their families how they want to come if you have things in the refrigerator that they want to. there is a role for limited regulation, we believe that a long time ago. >> martha: we will have you both back. thank you very much. good to have you.

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all around because she said she was triggered at a college basketball game. she took to her face become a writing this, "he said to me with open hostility, as he was backing away, "we like trump," i feel very sad that this happened and frankly, scared, we absolutely need apolitical spaces in this country." joining me now with her thoughts on this, dana loesch, host of "b6" on blaze tv. good evening. we have been talking about free speech, she is the right to say whatever she wants to say. but the argument that she is living in a place that reminds her of hitler and that this election is worse than when she was raped as a child, which is a horrific history that she had to live through, give us your perspective here on where this -- what this is all about. >> i think she is nuts. i think she is absolutely crazy. everything is literally hitler to these people. she calls for a apolitical

space, but what she's actually calling for is only a political space in which everyone shares her exact belief system. that's it. i feel so bad for the skype. you got a basketball game in kentucky, she was born in l.a., now, she is acting like she is one of the people. she goes to this basketball game on this guy goes up to her, she enjoyed been recognized. he talks with her, takes a picture, then, all he says as we like trump. that simple statement is enough to trigger her. she goes into this full on meltdown. then, i wrote a book on this, she does exactly what i write in the book. she responds on facebook exactly how people from hollywood and people from the coastal elite, how they respond to people from flyover areas, this guy was from big stone gap, a place that went overwhelmingly for trump. as kentucky went for a trump. she says, i am sorry in her facebook post, that you and all of the big stone for the kkk and

misogynists. her response was to characterize this guy is a misogynist and a racist simply because he said "we like trump." she is unhinged. she needs mental help. every time she tops herself. he goes above and beyond every time. >> martha: the question is, why the hysteria. separating it from ashley judd on her own personal whatever she is feeling, this belief that it is okay to say these sorts of things to people, american citizens who voted for someone different than you did, we have gotten into -- talk about an unsafe space. the status and unsafe space. >> it is an unsafe space to demand that not everyone can exercise their free-speech opinion. she is in kentucky, for crying out loud. this is the ashley judd in kentucky. kentuckians will talk about that they like trump where they voted for trump. it is no different than if she goes anywhere else in flyover country. >> martha: here's the quote of the night.

all the places where people want to hear both sides of the argument. "if their freedom of speech is taken away, then, dumb and silent ♪ >> tom: welcome to "red eye," hello everyone, i am tom shillue. let's check in with tvs andy levy at the "red eye" tease deck. >> andy: thanks, tom. coming up on the big show, is the white house elaborately trolling reporters? sounds like it's dumb question from the lying, failing, fake news spewing media. when you become an adult? in some people's case, it's definitely not younger than 51. it's me, i want to make sure that's clear. and finally, a new device lets you have sensitive conversations in public without other people