spill one way you noticing these little things? who cares? we'll see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ >> but it's illegal and you're not supposed to have it and it's not supposed be leaked. how bad obamacare is and it's the worst, obamacare is a disaster, if i had the greatest bill in the history of the world, they would not vote for it because they hate the republicans. probably hate me. wiretap, it covers a lot of different things. i think you are going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next few weeks. >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," we sat down for an interview with donald trump. this morning, we boarded

air force one with the president outside of d.c. and flew with him to detroit where he held a meeting with auto industry executives.. he spoke with us at willow run airport. that's where the ford motor company billed the bombers that helped in world war ii. he had a lot to say about his tax returns. the wiretap controversy.obamacae press. thank you for joining us. so, last night, your tax return from 2005, the first two pages appeared, and the reporter who got it said it was in his mailbox. he suggested it did not come from the irs but it was leaked to him potentially by someone i. the white house. >> president trump: certainly not from the white house.

that i can tell you. i do not know where they got it. this guy has been following me for 25 years. i have no idea where they got it but it is illegal. you are not supposed to have it. it's not supposed to be leaked. it is certainly not an embarrassing tax return at all. but it is an illegal thing.. they have been doing it, they've done it before. i think it is a disgrace. >> tucker: it showed that you paid a little less than 25% on your income that year, which is more than a a lot of people but it's still less than 40% then wage earners, people with no investments, would be paying. is it fair to have a tax return where wagers pay twice the tax that investors do? >> president trump: it is not fair because the income was actually $250 million for the year. if you notice, there is about $100 million in tax deductions and depreciation and various other charges. income was at the 250 level andv if you look at it, it's a lower number, and, no, i did not think it is fair. i've been complaining about it for a long time. i do not care about me anymore. i care about the people. me, i am very satisfied. i will not go back into building major buildings.

i'm not going to be doing what i used to do and used to have a good time doing it. this is what i'm doing now. i am saving a lot of money on the airplanes, $25 million. it probably took me half an hour. if you add it up. we have saved a tremendous amount of money in government already.y. that's just the beginning. i will tell you, people are paying too high a tax. i want to get the health care taken care of. has to come statutorily, various other reasons having to do with politics and also congress. it has to come first. it really has to come first. one of the reasons i want to get it finished, ideally soon, is because i want to start on the taxes. people are paying too high, companies are paying too high. it is affecting our jobs and a lot of other things. with that being said, the country is doing right now really well. the level of optimism is the highest it has been in 15 years. you see the kind of numbers i coming out, it's amazing the enthusiasm -- i saw on "fox &

friends," i like that group, they had a man who is saying trump is the greatest president ever and there will never be one like him. now, the thing is, i've only been here for like 50 days. but he's really enthusiastic. he is a manufacturer. i have taken off regulations by the thousands. we are just starting. we are just starting. there is great optimism about the economy. but we have to get the taxes reduced. >> tucker: you can imagine a system where federal top is a little less than 40%. you would like to see -- >> president trump: it is going to go way down. for the middle class, it's going to go way down for business. i'm going to try to get the 15% level if we can for the business. i think it'll be a little bit higher than that, but we will try to get the 15% level. there is tremendous waste in this country.

the bidding procedures, i give you an example, medicine. i met with a congressman and he was in my office. elijah cummings. the fact that prescription drugs are so expensive in this country and for people. i'm going to work on put in this bill or shortly thereafter a new bill, bidding for drugs and prescription drugs. if you go to europe, they buy them for a fraction from the same company, a fraction of what they pay in the united states, because we have a middleman system. we have a lot of bad systems but basically we do not have a good bidding system. we are going to get drug prices so far lower than they are now. your head will spin. >> tucker: so you said in a subsequent bill -- let's talk about thisis year. seven years since obamacare passed. republicans want to get rid of it and give us something better. are you satisfied with the billl we are now looking at, that paul ryan is pushing, that the best republicans can do after seven years of thinking about it? >> president trump: i think will have a negotiation. you have to understand, we only

have 52. we have a two-vote margin. g to get 52 people is very hard. if we had 60 votes, we could do something different, but we will never get a democrat vote. they are never going to vote for us. if i had the greatest bill in the history of the world, they would not vote for us because f they hate the republicans, they probably hate me, but they hate the republicans so badly that they cannot see straight. so they will always vote againso us. it's really a shame -- that's one of the problems we have when people come in to my office, lowering drug prices and other things. the democrats will always vote against us. the hatred has been there for years. not just with me. the hatred has been there for years. when i was in washington years ago, i would come in and republicans would fight with the democrats during the day, and then you would see them after dinner and their families would be out. they got along. the hatred is so incredible. honestly, it has been like that for a long time. it has been like that throughho the obama years. it's been like that, to a large

extent, through the bush years. if we had 60 votes, perhaps we would do it a different way, but the only way you're going to get it passed is with republican votes because the democrats -- no matter how bad obamacare, and it's is the worst anyone has seen. numbers going up by as high as 116%. by the way, this year will be the worst year of all. i said the other day -- they criticized me. i said, obama is gone. smart guy. '17 is going to be the worst year because he is gone. he knew that was the year.r. let him be out before it implodes. obamacare is imploding. it is a disaster. the democrats know that. if we had the greatest health care bill ever in history, and we needed eight votes from the democrats to get us up to the 60 number?y, they would not vote for it.oc it's a very selfish thing. they are doing a very, very bad disservice to the country. f

>> tucker: this bill has, as one of its centerpieces, tax cuts for investors, it would benefit people making over $250,000 a year. a bloomberg analysis showed that counties voting for you, middle-class and working-class counties, would do far less well under this bill then the more affluent counties. it seems like this is inconsistent. >> president trump: a lot of things are inconsistent. but we need to do some negotiating.ot we are not going to get one democrat to vote for us. again, if this bill were perfect, if it was the greatest thing for democrats and republicans, we will not get one democrat vote. because of selfishness, stupidity, because it's politics. it's really bad for our country, what is going on. what's going on for years, but it is really bad for our country. we will take care of our people,

or i'm not signing it. just so you understand. >> tucker: it doesn't seem like you agree with economics or foreign policy or social policy with paul ryan. are you confident that you sharm enough in common that he can -- that he's on board with your interest? >> president trump: i think he's on board with the american people. i believe that strongly. i think he is on board with my presidency. i think he wants to make it very successful. we have had our run-ins, as you have heard, initially, but i think he is wanting to do the right thing. that i believe 100%. we will take care of the people or i am not signing anything. just so you understand. in a little way, i am an arbitrator. we have the conservatives, we have the more liberal side of the republican party, the left, the right. within the republicans themselves, a lot of fighting going on. we have no democrats -- again, no matter what we do, we will never get a democrat. maybe one along the way.

now, if we could get -- the one thing they don't add is phase three, because phase three is very good. if we could get some democrats, we could change the bill. we could have it different. we could have a repeal, which we essentially have anyway.a but a specific repeal.l. but we are not going to get any democrats, no matter what we do. it doesn't matter what we do. we are not going to get it. phase three, we will get some democrats, i believe. phase three, there will be incentives added. including, that is where i will put the bidding for medicine. phase three. phase three is a part of it. phase one, which is a part of it, phase two, that is where our secretary,n a terrific guy, by the way, tom price will sign away. he will sign his heart away. and he will get rid of those horrible things that have been signed over the year and then a lot of the goodies are added in phase three.

or i will have a separate bill for the bidding of medicine. we will bring it way down. >> tucker: so on march 4th, 6:35 in the morning, you are down in florida, you tweet -- the former administration wiretapped me. how did you find out? you said you just found out. how did you learn that? >> president trump: i had been reading about things. t i had read in, i think it was january 20th, a "new york times" article about wiretapping. there was an article, i think they used that exact term. i watched other things. b i watched bret baier, your friend, where he was talking about certain, very complex sets of things happening. and wiretapping. i said, wait a minute, there's lot of wiretapping being talked about. i've been seeing a lot ofbo thi things.e for the most part, i'm not going to discuss it, because we have it before the committee. we will be submitting things before the committee very soon

that have not been submitted as of yet. it's potentially a very serious issue. >> tucker: 51,000 people retweeted that.us t a lot of people thought that was plausible. they believe you, you are the president. you are in charge of the agency. every intelligence agency reports to you. why not immediately go to them? gather evidence to support that? >> president trump: because i don't want to do anything that is going to violate any strength of an agency. i just want people to know, the cia was hacked and a lot of things were taken. that was during the obama years. that was not during us. that was during the obama situation. mike pompeo is doing a fantastic job now. but we will be submitting certain things, and i will be perhaps speaking about this next week. but it is right now before the committee, and i think i want to leave it there. >> tucker: why not wait to tweet about it until you can prove it? don't you devalue your words when you can't provide evidence? >> president trump: because "the new york times" wrote about it.

not that her respect "the new york times." i call it the failing "new york times." other people have come out with -- >> tucker: you are the president. you have the ability to gather all the information you want, you are the president. >> president trump: if you watched bret baier and what he was saying, what he was talking about and how he mentioned the word wiretapped, you would feel very confident.ap other people mentioned it, but if you take a look at some of the things -- wiretapping, and those words were in quotes. that reallyos covers, because wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff, but that covers surveillance and many m other things. nobody talks about the fact that it was in quotes. but wiretap covers a lot of different things. i think you will find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> tucker: you may see some of those on twitter. the president goes on to talk about tweeting. he will keep doing it even though it gets in his own way sometimes. in part two of the interview,

the president will tell us why. then there is breaking newse tonight. the president wrapping up a rally in nashville, tennessee, where he addressed the latestt threat to his new travel ban. a judge has weighed in. we will go live to nashville for the latest.il stay tuned. energy is amazing. how we use it is only limited by our imagination. and at southern company we're building the future of energy,

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>> tucker: welcome back, we traveled to detroit in the >> tucker: welcome back, we traveled to detroit in the air force one. here's part two of that interview with donald trump. is there anyone in the white house who can say, mr. president, do not tweet i that? >> president trump: maybe i

would not be here if it wasn't for twitter. i get such a fake and dishonest press. a i'm not including fox because i think fox has been fair to me. if you look at cnn and if you look at these other networks, nbc. i made a fortune for nbc with "the apprentice." i had one of the most successful reality shows of all time. i was on for 14 seasons. you see what happens when i am not on? you saw what happened to the show. it was a disaster. nbc, they are despicable, despicable in their coverage. cbs, abc, you take a look at what is going on. i call it the fake press, the c, fake media. it is a disgrace what is happening. >> tucker: as you know, the response -- look, you had this big speech, had this great press all week, bipartisan, and then you read off this tweet and immediately -- >> president trump: excuse me. i had a very successful night. i got reviews even from people i would never think i would get good reviews from.

i got great reviews. and then all of a sudden they came up with a new dialogue in order to kill that. that speech was hot for about two or three hours after the speech was made, because they came up with other things having to do with otherer people that they should not have been able to do and they should not have done but they did it. you know exactly what i'm talkingno about. the news is not honest. much of the news. it is not honest. when i have close to 100 million people watching me o including facebook, including all of the -- instagram. potus. i guess pretty close to 100 million people, i have my own form of media. if i tweet two or three or four or five times a day, and if mosi of them are good -- i really want them all to be good but if

i make one mistake in a month -- i don't think this will prove to be a mistake at all. a >> tucker: you think it's okay -- even people who support you, they say look, i believe what he believes and i want him to succeed but the president says something that can be not be proved or demonstrably untrue, he devalues his own currency. >> president trump: let's see whether or not i prove it. i choose to do it before the committee and maybe i will do it before i see the result of the committee. s but i think we have some very good stuff. and we are in the process of putting it together. i think it is going to be very demonstrative. but just on twitter, if i do not do that, i won't get my word out.t because when i say things, the press does not cover it accurately. they cover it very inaccurately come up much of the press. some of the finest people i know our reporters. reporters are wonderful. i'm talking about the fake media, the fake news. and there's a lot of fake news. if they are not going to do me the honor or the public the honor of spreading my word accurately as it was meant, you know exactly what i'm talking

about, because there is been nobody in history that got moret dishonest media than i have gotten. you look at some of the storiesh in "the new york times." you look at some of the stories in "the washington post." take a look at what is going on at cnn, cbs, nbc. l no matter how good it is, they it is a complete hit job. no matter how good it is, they do not report it in a positive i fashion. so when i can reach -- whether it's 90 million or 100 million or 80 million, however many people it may turn out to be when you add everything up, and then it gets disseminated from there, when i can reach that many people -- twitter is a wonderful thing for me. i get the word out. >> tucker: does it go through any kind of mediator? >> president trump: sure it does. sometimes i will have somebody and i will say, do you think i should say this? they will come to me a lot. and they will say -- i am not

talking about twitter. there is really twitter, facebook, lots of things. but i might not be here talking to you right now as president if i did not have an honest way of getting the word out. >> tucker: last question. european nationalism obviously is flowering, and a lot of it is about immigration and culture.ig do you think it's possible to move a large muslim population into the west and successfullyrg integrate them into western culture. have you seen that anywhere? >> president trump: it's not easy, and it certainly has not been easy. you take a look at germany. i took a lot of heat over sweden. there was that massive riot, no one talks about it. it certainly has not proven to be easy. at the same time, well, they have been trying, we will let you know. the assimilation has been very, very hard. it's been a very, very difficult process. i want this country to be safe. i want this country to be great. it's called make america great again. that's why i got elected.

i want people who love our country. and many muslims love our many, many muslims do. but it has been a hard process. if you look at germany, sweden, brussels -- look at what is going on. take a look at so many other places. it has been a very hard process. we are going to try very, very hard to make it work.ce >> tucker: mr. president, thanks. >> president trump: thank you very much. >> tucker: more of the interview with president trump, tune in tomorrow at 9:00. we will ask him how he occupies himself at the end of every workday. up next, the president just told us he did not leak his taxes. whoever did flagrantly broke the law.ax got a panel to break that down.

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>> tucker: during an interview with president trump today, he told us he is not responsible for leaking his tax returns though some suggested he was. it certainly seemed to work out for him.ed last night at your tax return from 2005, the first two pages appeared, and the reporter who got it, he said in his mailbox. he suggestedn it did not come from the irs but that it was leaked to him potentially by someone in the white house. was it? >> president trump: certainly not from the white house. that i can tell you. i did not know where they got it. this guy has been following me for 25 years. he's, you know, not much. i've no idea where they got it. but it is illegal. and you're not supposed to have it, and it is not supposed to be leaked.

and it is certainly not an embarrassing tax return at all. but it is an illegal thing. they've been doing it, they've done it before, and i think it is a disgrace. >> tucker: we are joined right now by mollie hemingway, senior editor at "the federalist," and daniel halper, senior editor atat the august "washington post." welcome to you both. were you surprised by his answer?ps he didn't seem upset about the release of these tax returns. >> he didn't even deny that he knew about it. he just said it did not come from the white house. i'm not suggesting that he did,e just if you listen to the answer, it is a little strange. the tax returns actually did him a favor, right? a lot of people were interested and there is a lot of speculation, hillary clinton was going on suggesting he paid no taxes or he perhaps did something illegal.g it does not seem that is the case.

only a couple of pages here. there's probably hundreds of thousands of pages over the years, obviously we are curious to see more, but this has sort of diffused the whole talk about tax return. >> tucker: i thought the mostor interesting part of the entire interview, which i'm sure will be ignored by everybody, was his response about relative tax rates. for some reason, it's a bedrock principle of conservative economics. that investors are heroes doing a public service, and people making a minimum wage are just like folks benefiting from the he said they should be the same rate. i've never heard any republican say that ever. >> that was one of the interesting things to come out. the high rate that he has paid in taxes. it is also important to nail down who released this information because journalists are actually asking people at the irs to leak this? this is a serious felony. up to $5,000 fine. nobody is allowed to release your tax information unless you give permission.

it is still important, even as frustrated as we are to not have his full tax record. >> tucker: what is interesting, daniel halper, when you listen to the president speak, when you have got him one-on-one, or an interview there, he's got a very populist view of economics. in favor of middle-class economics. that's why he got elected as far as i am concerned. when you look at his proposals, it is kind of what you would expect from a chamber of commerce republican.ar. we need tax cuts for investors. i guess they haven't done very well in the last 15 years. there is a huge disconnect between the policy and the language. p >> when he did talk about healtg care and his work with paul ryan, he was sort of less interested and less detail oriented than when he was talking about the media or other things that he was more interested in during your interview. it is revealing, and i think a mistake perhaps that they did not nail down these details in the health care bill before pushing it forward.s

you ask them, is that the bill you couldn't support? he says something, well it was on the negotiating table. he didn't quite throw his support behind it, and yet his white house and people are out there every day defending it, using his name. it is a weird sort of dichotomy between, what is it that he he stands for? what policies is he pushing because things are being pushed in his name and they are being attached to him. >> tucker: pushed by people who do not share his views. t i wonder, mollie, if the republican leadership isn't too trusting that he will putt into law the things that he ran on. they do not agree with him on core issues. >> also, he talked about how the bill was based on the principles he laid out, and speaker paul ryan's office immediately got that out on social media. they are trying to tie themselves to trump because they think it will help them pass t this bill. but so much during the campaign, he was talking about the failures of obamacare.

it would be interesting to find out what he considers failures of obamacare. and how this bill even comes close to taking care of those g problems, because they repeat a lot of the problems. >> tucker: i think getting rid of the mandate would be his answer, but he did not get to that. we will be back to you in just a minute. we have a fox news alert for you. a federal judge in hawaii has struck down the trump administration's new and advised travel ban. the one that affects the six countries down from seven. the president had a rally, and he used the speech there to respond to the new ruling. kristen? >> hey, president trump vouched to fight this ruling all the way to the supreme court. he essentially admitted that this is simply a watered-downs version of the first executive order on immigration, which the ninth circuit court of appeals knocked down. this is the same thing just watered-down. then he said that the fact that this judge, this federal judge in hawaii overturned it just hours before it was set to take

effect, he called that an unprecedented act of judicial overreach. listen to how president trump broke the news to all of his supporters in this auditorium just moments ago. >> a judge has just blocked our executive order on travel and refugees coming into our country from certain countries. o [crowd boos] >> the order he blocked was a watered-down version of the first order. this is the opinion of many -- an unprecedented judicial overreach. >> before attending the rally here in nashville, president trump first visited the home of former president andrew jackson. he later reads on his tomb on the 250th anniversary of his

birth. president trump has said he's seen a lot of parallels between these two men. they were both outsider populist presidents who came in to shake up the status quo in defense of the common man, and tonight here at this rally, president trump real leadership means putting leadership means putting america first. beforebe this travel ban became the big story tonight, the big story was supposed to be health care. president trump did defend the house republican health care plan. he said it echoed a lot of the things he mentioned in his inaugural address. but while he talked about it, he didn't speak about it as strongly as perhaps he could have. he's spoken a lot more enthusiastically about the border and this order. tucker? >> tucker: kristin fisher. up next, the president just told us obamacare is a disaster and the republicans need to get behind house speaker paul ryan's plan to repeal it. a new fox news poll suggests there's a lot to do to win over the rest of the country.

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>> tucker: in our interview with president trump, the president said this about the obamacare law. are you satisfied that the bill we are now looking at, that paul ryan is pushing, is the best the republicans could do? >> i think we will have a negotiation. we only have 52. we have a two-vote margin. to get 52 people is very hard. if we had 60 votes we could do something different but we will never get a democrat vote. obamacare is a disaster. they are never going to vote for it. the premiums are going up at numbers as high as 116%. by the way, this year will be the worst year of all. i said the other day -- they criticized me. i said obama is gone. a smart guy. he put things on. '17 is going to be the worst year because he is gone. he knew that was the year. let him be out before it implodes. obamacare is imploding.

it is a disaster. the democrats know that. if this bill were perfect, if this was the greatest thing for democrats and republicans -- we wouldn't get one democrat. they're going to vote against it. because of selfishness, because of stupidity, because of politics. it's really bad what is going on in our country. it's really bad for our countryn we will take care of our people, or i'm not signing it. >> tucker: the president says paul ryan's obamacare repeal is the solution but the american people are apparently wary.ul a new fox news poll, shows that just 40% of voters favor placing obamacare. 54% opposed. chris collins helped create the new obamacare repeal bill. you have seen those numbers, you saw what the president just said. he was tepid when i asked about the details. he said, look, we will negotiate this.

what would you be willing to see go in order to get it through to congress?s. >> the president was energized, confident, i watched yourhe interview. certainly proud to call him my president. he's got boundless energy. we have been working on this for a long time, as you know. i've been working on the fundamental changes to medicaid now for well over a year to come up with a per capita. we have liberal members from new jersey, new york, ohio areas. conservatives from texas, florida, louisiana. this is a compromise bill. and withom compromise, it is not perfect for anyone, but it accomplishes what we do need to accomplish financially, putting the medicaid expansion which we are continuing, that is a compromise but at a normal reimbursement. 50% in new york, not 90%.

what we have right now it is the compromise plan that the speaker will be bringing to the house floor in about two weeks. i don't, frankly, as someone who has been very involved like this, see too many tweaks coming. if you tweak at one end, youks lose a moderate. you tweak at the other end, you lose a conservative. i think we are right there in the middle. by and large, with maybe a couple of small items, this is what we will go forward with. >> tucker: you are the authority of the politics of it, not me. the substance of it, does it seem a little strange how far this bill is from what president trump ran on? apparently, it disproportionately helps voters in the upper brackets. it clearly does. those are not trump voters. and yet it also will apparently result in the loss of coverage for millions of people. that's kind of the opposite of what he said when he was running for president.

>> well, we are dealing with a deficit. knocking $370 billion off of the deficit moving forward. we're lowering premiums over the next ten years. that's something we are absolutely focused on. we are, as a compromise, continuing the expansion of medicaid. yes, a lower reimbursement, but it is the normal reimbursement rate states get for medicaid. i did not believe the cbo scores that somehow 14 million americans are dropping off next year. i mean, next year, there is effectively no changes. i still can't get my head around why somebody -- we are notes changing the exchanges next year. i'm a little befuddled by that one. what we are doing that is huge for the economy, which is what the president talked about, is, we are eliminating the employer mandate. small businesses with 49 employees can now grow to 55 or 60 employees. workers that were forced to drop

from 39 hours a week to 24, 25 hours a week, how to take on two part-time jobs can go back to one job with 39 hours to supplement their income. really on the economic front, we are eliminating $1 trillion in taxes. by eliminating the employer mandate, the individual mandate, the health insurance tax. >> tucker: i got that. >> a great driver for the economy. >> tucker: i hope that that is true.e. finally, the president said there is a third phase to this,r and he said that is where the goodies are. that phase would require a buy-in from a number of democrats. is that realistic? >> i think we are talking about tort reform. while a lot of democrats are in the pockets of trial lawyers, we realize there is a lot of defensive medicine, doctors ordering tests they know they are not needed but we are going to be putting tort reform on that third phase. which we do need 60 votes in the

senate. the other one is competition across state lines. that will be in that third bucket as well to help reduce premium costs. >> tucker: okay, congressman, good luck with that.el great to see you, thanks for coming on. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: up next, president trump says his claim that president obama wiretapped him will be verified sooner rather than later. our panel will be back to assess. stay tuned. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief. i think we could finally get youra bigger place.

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>> tucker: president trump told us in his interview that when all is said and done, obama spying on him will be vindicated. watch. you are down in florida and you tweet "the former administration wiretapped me and surveilled me at trump tower during the last

election." how did you find out? you said you just found out. >> i had been reading about things. i read in, i think it was january 20th, "the new york times" article where they were talking about wiretapping. an article, i think they use that exact term. i read other things. i watched your friend bret baier where he was talking about certain very complex sets of things happening. and wiretapping. v i said, wait a minute. there is a lot of wiretapping being talked about.ot i've been seeing a lot of things. for the most part, i'm not going to discuss it, because we have it before the committee, and we will be submitting things to the committee that have not been submitted as of yet. but it is potentially a very serious situation. >> tucker: in that interview, we just heard president trump appear to credit fox's bret baier. bret never actually reported that. we're pretty sure the president was referring to this interview that bret conducted with

house speaker paul ryan. >> there is a report that theree is, june 16, fisa request to monitor surveillance of donald trump. several other competing officials. they get turned down and then in october, they renew it. and they do start a wiretap at trump tower with some computer and russian banks, and it doesn't show up anything.ow by reporting. have you heard that? >> like i said, none of us in congress or i know in congress has been presented with evidence to the contrary of what you have just said.d. >> so you believe it to be true. >> we have seen no evidence that anyone in this campaign or any other american was in on it wite the russians to meddle in our elections. we know they meddled -- russia is an adversary and that is something we have to work to counteract. >> my point is, the obama administration was pretty aggressive. >> i hear your point. but i have seen nothing of that.

that. i have seen nothing come of that.. that is my point. >> tucker: to the panel, bret clearly said a report of the fisa request. back with us, mollie and daniel. what's going on here? >> i think bret was clear, these reports that you are reading, these accounts of wiretapping and t he's asking paul ryan, he asks him three different times. he says, we've seen no evidence contrary to what you've just said. he says, do you believe it to be true? it he says yes. baier again asks him. my point is, if this is true, the obama administration was being pretty aggressive. and ryan once again says, yes, i get your point, we have seen nothing come of this. i watched it that night, and it did seem like paul ryan was almost confirming what was being said in these reports that were

the topic of the day. >> tucker: interesting. daniel, i do not think anyone thinks president obama wiretapped president trump, but anyone who has lived here for a while and pays attention knows that is entirely plausible that the u.s. government scooped up data coming in or coming out of trump tower. that's not a crazy accusation actually. >> look, we just don't know. nothing he said tonight tells us that this is what happened. but he doesn't disprove it. we do not actually know. he said he will come up with evidence. we just need to be patient and wait and see. it's possible, it's unlikely, but it is possible. we just have not seen any evidence of it..ot i think it is just a wait and see.hi congress is investigating this. we will wait and see. >> tucker: i think it is entirely likely, in fact, probable, that the u.s. government has somewhere in its possession data from trump tower during the campaign. whether intentionally or unintentionally. i think that's entirely possible.

the white house, in my view, should have presented it with this tweet. you can't say things without backing them up if you're the president. erbut on and off camera today, they take this seriously and he alluded to it, they have information that they will present as evidence. >> i totally agree that everyone needs to put up or shut up. there is been far too much information put out theree without any evidence to back it up. we are months into a selective releasea campaign, selectively releasing information that did come from surveillance. transcripts of phone calls, all these nefarious reports designed to make people think there is this treasonous involvement with russia. we don't have evidence. there is not a scintilla ofs evidence from someone who is a named source providing anything that would have support for this. you also have the former obamama odni clapper saying that he had no reason to believe there was any collusion between trump and the russians. we do need to wait and see what comes out. >> tucker: on both sides. i agree.ot it's actually driving me crazy.

if i hear one more person accused by inference or innuendo, i think i will jump through the set. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: up next, we give you the very latest on that ruling we told you about against president trump's travel ban and the far-reaching consequences of it. stay tuned for that. when you hit 300,000 miles. or here, when you walked away without a scratch. maybe it was the day your baby came home. or maybe the day you realized your baby was not a baby anymore. every subaru is built to earn your trust. because we know what you're trusting us with. subaru. kelley blue book's most trusted brand. and best overall brand. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. could save money on car insurance.nce you know, the kind of driver who always buckles up... comes to a complete stop...

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>> tucker: back to that fox news alert, federal district court judge has struck down the trump administration's revised travel ban. in essence, the first amendment of the constitution applies to foreigners who have never set foot in this country. it says because of president trump's campaign rhetoric to any restriction in immigration is illegal discrimination. this is to say the very least at astonishingly far-reaching ruling. we will keep you updated on its consequences night after night. the show that is the sworn enemy

of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. stay tuned for sean, he is next. >> president trump: what the country is doing right now, very well. but it's illegal. it's not supposed to happen, it's not supposed be leaked. how bad obamacare is, it is the worst anybody has seen. obamacare is a disaster. if i had the greatest bill in the history of the world, they would not vote for it g because they hate the republicans. probably hate me. wiretap, it covers a lot of different things. you will see a lot of items coming to the forefront over the next few weeks. >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," we sat down for an interview with donald trump. we boarded air force one with the president outside of d.c. and flew with him to detroit