>> we will see all of you at "the five" on monday. and tucker carlson is next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." is it time for big bird to fly south? the new budget includes a proposal to eliminate $148 million in federal funding for the national endowment for the arts. the nea. along with hundreds of millions more for art and entertainment programs, pbs and npr. some of them are irate, and advocacy group opposes trunk cuts -- we are joined now by robin. good to see you tonight. i disagree with you on this for many years.

i continue to disagree with you now. the nea is welfare for rich liberal elites. that is who consumes the products that they produce, why should taxpayers subsidize this for rich people? >> it stumps me that you think the nea subsidizes programs for the rich elite. you are so smart, you are so global, tucker. you know that the nea has grants to every congressional district in the united states. i know you know that for every dollar the nea puts into a community, ten dollars comes back. so even if you don't believe in the arts, which i know you do, i know you believe in the right to bear arms which is a campaign that was initiated by our president -- tim daly, to ensure

every citizen has that right to bear arms. >> tucker: i'm confused. we live in a time where there are more rich people than any time in world history. mark zuckerberg, warren buffett, together have more than $200 billion. nea gets what, 150 million a year? they could fund it like that. >> nea -- their budget is 0.0004%. let's forget that the arts are what keeps america great. let's look at economic development. i mean, i would assume you are for economic development. >> tucker: come on. it looked, there are lots of ways to fund economic development. you cannot tell me -- more to

the point, i don't understand why, if rich people in this country like the arts, i'm glad they do -- >> are you saying middle-class people don't like the arts? people in the military? >> tucker: there are people who like art that are not rich. my only point is, people running around with fortunes, why not ask them to pay for public art? why should middle-class taxpayers have to pay for it? >> why is it mutually exclusive? why would our government -- our great nation invest in something that brings back ten dollars for every dollar invested? that helps the military? the makes sure that underserved populations get to college, that makes for a better workforce? we have all the data. absolutely stumps me as to why anyone would be against such a small investment.

>> tucker: we should be spending $1 trillion. what role did the nea play in the battle of falluja? >> let's look at the nea, what role it plays -- in making america great. are we for -- a report for economic development in this country? yes, i would say so. are we trying to make sure that the next generation is a leading generation? do we want our kids to be complete and full citizens working for their maximum potential? >> tucker: i agree with you, we also don't want our kids to be addicted to heroin. we want to take that money and fund drug rehabilitation. >> nea grants to fund programs

that keep kids away from drugs. away from the streets. >> tucker: they are not working that well in kentucky right now. i want to ask you this question, you know art very well. why would an artist want to take government money? then i'd be owned by the government, a puppet of the state. artists are supposed to be independent-minded. why would you want to be pawns of government? dmv workers with shabbier assets. >> the integrity of the national endowment of the arts stays and that it is not shackled upon an artist but rather gives the artist money to create work and to create programs to not only enrich the lives of others and their communities but to make money. >> tucker: is that the purpose of art? to make money?

>> the purpose of art is to make for rich and cultured population but if you are all about economic development and making money, that's what's so great, the arts can do that too. >> tucker: i did not know what a great moneymaking scheme it was. >> we need you to be part of the rights to bear art. >> tucker: speaking for themselves, all of a sudden they are queuing up for their hands handouts? the average person does not know where their money is going to. why would an artist strike out on their own and be independent? >> the nea grants, what they are designed to do is to be seed money. to grow the artist, to grow whatever product that artist is creating to better help society. i do want to understand this, why wouldn't we want to invest in something the arts -- that we know makes us a first world

power? >> tucker: i guess it depends on what you think art is. dogs playing poker? that's kind of the point. you can't reach a consensus on what art is. >> what you think art is in the community? medical treatment? what is so great -- it's an everyman issue. you are an artist. >> tucker: and robin, are out of time. on the show we do our best to expose scandals by the press. conspiracies without evidence, rather than ask about real issues. they don't like it when you enter their safe space. dissidents in the white house briefing room are resented and bullying for not adhering.

she is new to the beat and she joins us now. thank you for coming on. there was an amazing moment in january, sean spicer asked the first question to the reporter from "the new york post." there was an uproar on twitter. reporters who literally were not even born when obama was president. >> for the last eight years, they have gone in there and asked the same question. now that they are not being called on, they cannot control what the news is about. it is driving them crazy. >> tucker: you show up there right after the inauguration. you've not covered the white house before. you do not work at "the boston globe" or "new york times." what kind of reception did you get? >> it was a little tense but i'm not there to impress them. i don't get the questions that cnn wants, but msnbc wants.

outside in the real world where the other 300 million people live, they do not care about personnel issues that msnbc is asking. >> tucker: you took some heat at a press conference when mike flynn was having all his troubles. you asked a question to the podium about what form foreign policies needed to be changed. >> a lot of people came up to me and asked if the white house told me what to ask. which was offensive. who we are going to get into a war with the next, that matters more to real people down a personnel question. no one will remember mike flynn's name by next year. >> tucker: totally fair. you're obviously pretty immune to the criticism of your peers but what effect does it have on that groupthink on other reporters? >> it's not a good mix because other people feel pressured to

ask what everyone else is askin asking. wiretapping, so then they ask about wiretapping as well. 75 75 reporters being in that briefing room is because we all ask different questions. what is it accomplish if we all ask the same question in ten different ways? >> tucker: the president has gone after the press like no other president. >> people are a little hysterical about his criticism. what president has not hated the press? we make their life harder. they all hate us. they definitely hate us. people are taking it really personally. you should not take his criticism personally. it should not affect your reporting. you can tell it doesn't affect cnn and "the new york times" reporting. i report on him, i do not report to him. >> tucker: you think there is a personal element to this. they don't like being criticized.

>> yeah, because he called the mount by name and they don't like that.r who he is as a perst is not your job to report on. your job is not to get your feelings hurt. >> tucker: twitter seems to play a huge role. >> it feeds their egos. they want to know how many people follow them, who is praising them. you should not pay attention to anything anyone says on the internet. >> tucker: do see people on twitter in the briefing room? >> constantly. the president uses twitter a lot. it is a new medium that everyone is fascinated with. >> tucker: i am sorry, i don't like that the president and reporters use twitter. it's weird. i guess i am not in charge. full disclosure, i helped founded "the daily caller" ." remember brazil?

while working as a cnn contributor, it helped rig the democratic primary by forwarding debate questions to the hillary clinton campaign. at that time, she refused to admit her complicity. today in an essay for "time" magazine, she finally admitted she is guilty. she said the leaked questions were really not such a big deal and that the real scandal is that the russian hackers of course could sway the election by exposing a perfectly innocent action. some people are just never guilty, apparently. up next, the writers of donald trump -- he will hear he will irreversibly ruin his own presidency before spring turns to summer. we will update you on hypocrisy at nbc news, for yet another night. we have a new name to add to the

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>> tucker: president trump has embraced house speaker paul ryan's proposal to replace obamacare but one writer says ryan's plan catastrophically be bad. he will destroy his own political career, for good, the american health care was particularly hurting middle class people but it would help

the wealthy people. joining us tonight. there is a broad gulf between what trump ran on and the ideological agenda of the republican leadership. is that where it starts? >> i'm going to tell you a secret. there were a lot of republicans who did not want donald trump to win. shocking news. why is that? donald trump challenged many of the core beliefs of folks like paul ryan on issues like immigration of course, national security but also on the safety net. donald trump said i'm going to defend for ordinary americans. nationalism is not just divisiveness. we are all in this together. we will look out for the weakest among us. that was a compelling message. >> tucker: that was so under covered. the access hollywood tape, the news on the wall, i took up all the ink but his economic program

was basically ignored as was the gap between his beliefs and those of the rake and proteges. >> why is it that donald trump who have said a lot of controversial things, why did he win the vote of almost 30% of latinos? how is it that he won the vote of a lot of lower class middle class folks? he was a different kind of republican. he is not perfect but one thing he deftly got it right was that there is a big audience for we are in this together. >> tucker: this health care plan does not reflect that. >> it doesn't. you could tell that donald trump knows that. he saying look, i will want to protect our people. but the problem is, this bill as it stands right now. you might believe medicaid is a program that is flawed. i absolutely believe that but you are going to cut

$180 billion in medicaid funding and you are also going to cut taxes for rich people by $880 billion? it's one thing to say we will fix this program to make it more sustainable, to serve people but in the same legislation, they are also eliminating taxes for mostly rich folks by exactly that same amount. that does not send a good signal. if you need to win people's trust. that's what donald trump needs to do if he's going to build on his distinctive national agenda. >> tucker: a lot of people i know, it's not going to reach his desk. that's what they are saying. which of the president do with this bill? >> i think he needs to say we need to start over again. go back to the drawing board and make sure we have a program that is going to win broad support and be sure that vulnerable folks are not harmed first. >> tucker: if he doesn't do that? >> he will be in trouble.

again, trust matters a whole heck of a lot in politics. there were a lot of people who were rattled by donald trump. fundamentally in their gut they felt like he is on my side. i trust him. how do you establish trust? with the first action you take. if the first action you take is cutting medicaid, cutting taxes for the rich as well, who will believe you when you say hey, i want to be sure everyone is taken care of? i might want to cut taxes but that is not my first and highest priority. my first and highest priority is protecting vulnerable americans. >> tucker: how did this happen? >> partly, donald trump had a vision and a vision that won him the presidency but it doesn't have a lot of people around him who fully share that vision. there a lot of people who are basically old-school republicans, a lot of voters rejected in the republican primary. the ones he's relying on.

keep in mind, he thinks for himself but he is someone who needs to think harder about a disciplined plan. not someone else's agenda. it >> tucker: if this fails, it will be tough. really tough. >> it definitely will. thank you, that was definitely interesting. >> tucker: the commandant of the marine corps, a hearing in the senate. we will talk to a republican who says the senator 's wrath was not out of line. wait till you see the tape. it was not out of line

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>> tucker: yesterday we reminded you that nbc news deliberately leaked the access hollywood tape to "the washington post" in an effort to shut down the 2015 trump campaign. we also reminded you that the president was fully aware of that effort, the president of nbc. we can add another name to the list. it appears that msnbc president also knew about the decision. we reached out to him for comment but we have not heard back. we will tell you if we do. despite being complicit in an attempt -- russian agents swayed the outcome of last fall's election, there has been no evidence. we will continue to follow the story. keep it up. well, senator of new york barked at the commandant of the marine corps for nearly 2 minutes while

blaming him for not stopping sexual harassment. here's part of it. >> when you say to us it's got to be different, that it rings hollow. i do not know what you mean when you say that. why does it have to be different? because you feel it has to be different? who has been held accountable? i line myself with senator fishers comments. who has been held responsible? have you actually investigated and found guilty, anybody? if we cannot crack facebook, how are we supposed to be able to confront russian aggression and cyber attack in? it is a serious problem. when we have members of our military denigrating female marines who will give their life to this country. in the way they have, with no response from leadership. i can tell you, your answers today are unsatisfactory. they do not go far enough and i would like to know what you intend to do to the commanders who are responsible for good

order and discipline. all of this behavior is in violation of article 120 and article 1:30 four as those stated. they are violating the code of criminal justice. why are commanders who have asked for all responsibility to do with sexual assault, for the five years this community has been focused on this issue? you have demanded that you've maintained control of all these issues but where's the accountability for failure? who is being held accountable for doing nothing since 2013? who? which commander? >> tucker: a republican representing the state of new york, he joins us now. congress meant, thank you for coming on. this seemed out of proportion. for one, given the crimes she was talking about witches marines putting up pictures of women they had dated. i would never defend that, i think it is cruel. but by most accounts, the least

impressive senator to basically scream at a man who served as a marine officer is a little over-the-top, do you think that? >> she was pretty fired up, definitely different ways to approach that questioning of the marine general. i do believe general miller handled that interaction with outstanding leadership, he did not make any excuses. he took full ownership and responsibility over the entire situation. i don't know if i would've had approached it in the same way senator gillibrand did, but she was emotional, speaking out for those victims. she wants to see them take action so this does not continue. that a goal is what i certainly agree with. >> tucker: no one wants to see that kind of stuff. i did not see any mention of that but i guess the proportion

here -- general miller is not responsible for putting those pictures up. there's no evidence that he favors is, and this is crude grandstanding. if you follow her career, she is totally outrageous things on this topic. i don't think it's appropriate to do someone like general miller. would you say? >> watching the entire exchange, seeing general miller's handling of it, knowing who is sitting in that chair, that he is someone who wants there to be accountability, he would want there to be an investigation that it yields whatever crimes can be identified for people to be prosecuted for nonjudicial punishment, to improve the culture of the marine corps. over the course of decades of service, he has been through a whole lot where he is not going to be rattled by anyone senators questioning, for that particular

exchange, i think on both sides, senator gillibrand's comments as well as general miller's, it sends a message to any of the individuals involved in posting these pictures. as well as sending a message for any of those female victims. we need to find out which females -- maybe there is a picture out there were a female consented, maybe they did not consent. maybe there is access to a particular database for posting a photo that was illegal. it is not like there was one particular crime that may have been committed. >> tucker: there are a lot of things to worry about with the u.s. armed forces especially the marine corps, but the capacity to defend the united states of america. i don't know why congress would be involved with something like this. i'm not making any defense of this, it's bad but let's be real here. this is part of what senator gillibrand said. i think this is what she is really after. >> i am very concerned that this

is part of a culture that is resulting in the high levels of sexual assault. >> tucker: oh, the old culture of the military line. you know as well as i, money on the left, the cultural left, that she so ably represents hate the culture of the military because it is warlike and masculine. that's what this is really abou about. >> i have certainly experienced both during my time when i first started, president clinton was in office -- going through president bush and obama, i served in the federal reserves. i felt like over the course of the last couple years, there is been a little more of a social engineering of the military. i recently had army reserve training where the entire sunday morning was spent on transgender training. and what we should be focusing most importantly for our service members is ensuring that they are best prepared for combat, to

protect and defend our country. the number one mandatory function, common defense. that should be priority number one. we need to make sure that with the new administration and with general mattis that our department of defense goes away from social engineering and more towards keeping americans safe, primarily and only. >> tucker: yeah. you think? that's all that matters. we are in a really silly stage. thank you for that. we talk about day-to-day political affairs. wasting our time with the debt crisis? this red versus blue arguments irrelevant, and not in a good way. german chancellor angela merkel, we will give you every awkward detail about her meeting in the white house. stay tuned.

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>> tucker: politics in america, more contentious than they've ever been. just because the arguments are fierce doesn't mean they actually matter. an author and a social critic, writes a popular blog whose name we cannot tell you because this is a family-friendly channel but it's really smart. america's two major parties are just playing a game of capture the flag on the deck of the titanic. our current policy debates will seem pointless. joining us now. longtime listener, first-time color. i'm a fan of your blog, which i cannot really describe because it's name is profane but it's very smart. i've been reading recently your warnings to the country about the coming debt crisis. your point is basically our politics are so crazy because it is a way of ignoring the underlying problems which are real. summarize your point. >> we have a basic problem with

our economic dynamic. a lot of it has to do with our energy. in the heyday of american industrialism, we got 100 baylor 100 barrels of oil. now with shale, it's more like 5-1. the aggregate average is about 17-1. we can't really run our industrial economy and all the accessories and luxuries at that ratio. we've been trying to compensate for that by ramping up a lot of debt, basically borrowing from the future in order to pay for the way we live now. >> tucker: you said basically our political establishment, is intentionally not paying attention. halloween is coming super early this year, it will be shocking, looking for russian behind every plant in washington, d.c.

great entertainment values like connoisseur at the bazaar. i think it's really smart. what happens when we hit the debt wall? what does that look like? >> we can't borrow from the future anymore to pay for what we are doing now. we can't pay the invoices that will be coming into the treasury, we can't pay the entitlements that we are obligated to pay. we can't pay back the interest on the previous data. one of the problems with having ramped up all this debt is that we now have to borrow more money to pay back the interest on the debt. you know, that implies that we

can't really generate a whole lot of new debt because it has very poor prospects of ever being paid back. >> tucker: tell me the timeline here. when will this happen? 100 years from now? >> i think it will be happening in the next few months. what happened in the fall was of the treasury built up a kind of war chest of about $400 billion and the idea was that would be available for hillary clinton, president hillary clinton to use to get through the debt ceiling problem. they managed to burn through about $90 billion a month since then. there's about, less than $100 billion left in the treasury for walking around money. it will run out around memorial day. the debt ceiling suspension that was negotiated between speaker john boehner and president obama a couple years ago, that just

ran out yesterday meaning the government cannot borrow more money without new authorization from congress. that requires the resolution of the members of congress to come to some agreement about it. there's very little prospect they will be able to do that. the democrats really just want to use it as a lever to make president trump twist slowly -- to make president trump twist slowly in the wind as the old saying goes. they are going to do everything they can to make him back off unless he backs off repealing obamacare or lays off the enforcement of deportation of illegal aliens. the republicans of course have their own historic aversion to raising the debt ceiling. they more or less have been

forced to go along with it. there are enough of them who have an ideological opposition to it. it's really not likely to get resolved. >> tucker: what's cracking me up, i've not read any of this on the front page of the paper this week. , the blog is -- search james kunstler into google and you will find his blog. diversity lags as students are massed with schools. the new york's eight most competitive public high schools are based exclusively on a standardized test. only about 10% of offers were extended to black and latino students even those those students make up about 60% of the school system. if there institutional racism

keeping minorities out of the city's best schools? the elite schools are not white, they are asian. a whopping 52.5% of admitted students are asian. many of them poor or children of immigrants. you would never know that from reading this piece in "the new york times." the piece never uses the word asian. why? because it is dishonest. up next, and 2015 president trump called german chancellor angela merkel insane for letting in immigrants. we will tell you what happened in this meeting today. james rosen may be the most talented man at fox news. a lot more talented than i am. he will enter "the friend zone"" this is going to be great. do not miss this. so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? aleve, live whole not part.

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>> tucker: president trump met with chancellor merkel today. after the meeting he traveled down tomorrow lago florida for the weekend. we go to kristin fisher. >> this was by far the most awkward and contentious meeting president trump has had with another world leader. it started with this incredibly uncomfortable moment in the oval office. reporters chanting or asking him to do a handshake. and president trump refusing to shake the german chancellor's hand. then two sources described as a contentious private meeting, president trump pressed hard for chancellor merkel to have more contributions to nato. she was committed to doing just that but it was another moment that stole the spotlight.

president trump doubling down on his unsubstantiated wiretapping claims by reminding chancellor merkel and the world that her phones were tapped during the obama administration. >> as far as wiretapping, this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps. and just to finish your question, we said nothing. all we did was a certain, very talented mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. >> the talented legal mind he was referring to was judge napolitano. the intelligence agency helped obama wiretap then candidate trump but the fox news division

cannot substantiate that claim and the british government said these claims are ridiculous. they should be ignored. today the department of justice finally complied with the intelligence committee's request to hand over any evidence it may have. the committee's chairman said he is satisfied with the documents but would not say if those documents contained anything that would validate the claim the president trump made. tucker. >> tucker: we will be watching. kristin fisher. time now for "the friend zone," we invite one of our friends from inside the building here at fox news. we have james rosen, a legitimately talented man. an author, comedian, journalist. the obama administration tackled him in a pretty big way. he has an artist, a legitimate one. >> you are saying my skill as a

reporter was a hidden talent. >> tucker: [laughs] i bet ten people watching us are aware of what a talented artist you are. this began -- you actually had a sign mine as a kid at weddings and bar mitzvahs. >> i began with my favorites, snoopy, charlie brown, i'm not sure which one. then doonesbury. another one of my favorites. i worshiped several different artists and copied them. i did that in broadcast journalism as well. here's a little doonesbury for you. >> tucker: that's good. >> then i moved onto batman and my idol of idols, neal adams. still around and still the greatest comic book artist of all time. >> tucker: i agree with that. >> we can do some batman very quickly. >> tucker: doonesbury has to

be pretty easy. >> listen, they all are highly stylized. just touch if you will. >> tucker: you would go to parties as a kid or events -- you've also caricatured people in the office. >> yes, britney humes. with the caption reading rosen, eight you so fired, you never even worked here. charles krauthammer. fidel castro leaving death in the dust. >> tucker: wow. >> who else do we got? the earliest drawing of mind that i still have, from when i was seven. again, copying neal adams.

jamie rosen which is what my parents called me. spielberg with some friends of his. what i might do on this occasion, springsteen, a tale of two madonnas. i figured i would just draw you on the air. right now. >> tucker: you can do that in 90 seconds? >> let's do something very quickly. you're kind of a nightmare for a caricature artist because you have symmetrical features. it be a lot better if you had a really protruding nose or big ears. >> tucker: i don't actually know. i don't look and in the mirrory much. >> i will ask the makeup artist. >> tucker: does this come out -- something you would do for free? >> i've done it professionally. i used to do weddings and bar mitzvahs and its sweet 16's. i've been doing it to savage my

friends on plane rides. >> tucker: 35 seconds to finish your assault on my appearance. >> just for old time sake, i will put you in a bow tie. >> tucker: [laughs] that is harsh! can you take 20 pounds off? that's pretty good. james rosen. that is amazing. >> here you go. >> tucker: you are good enough for six flags. we just put on the screen what you can do with a fine point pen. you are truly a talent. >> i am still in "the friend zone." >> tucker: you have ascended to the top of "the friend zone." the left eating its own yet once more. a top figure in january's march on washington says you cannot be a feminist if you don't also reject israel. a rival feminist, including a

star actress are fuming. coming up next.

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>> tucker: the seasons may change but civil wars on the left always remain the same. this time, feminism pitting a television star against an activist. linda sarsour is a political activist. an interview with the nation magazine, she said a person cannot support israel and be a feminist because you either stand up for the rights of all women, including palestinians, or none. pro-israel feminists have been irate, big bang theory star mayim bialik said the left needs to re-examine the microscope they use to look at israel. comedian roseanne barr tweeted this... sarsour is selective in her wrath, by the way. she said ex-muslim feminist should have her genitalia taking away from her for criticizing islam.

she herself is a victim of genitalia mutilation. that's it for us. tune in every night at 9:00, to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. "hannity" is next. >> sean: welcome to "hannity," president trump met with german chancellor angela merkel. and coulter, geraldo rivera, sarah carter will be here. but first, today's meeting highlighted major differences between trump and chancellor merkel's approach to key issues. america can can learn. president trump and chancellor merkel capped off their first visit earlier today by holding a joint trust conference. where we stand on protecting this country. watch