trump is now president trump, so, paul, lindsey and john, get on board, the train is to prosperity, no stops planned. elizabeth: the president on brand new tweets, about fake news about his visit with germany's chancellor. leland: the fight to repeal and replace obamacare, brand new on what americans think about health care. congressmen, one for and one against their own party. elizabeth: and france's investigators i trying to determine if the airport attacker had a quote, terrorist behind him. we'll have the latest on the search for answers coming up.

and this is america's news headquarters from washington. happy saturday, i'm elizabeth prann. leland: great to have you back, liz. i'm in d.c., leland vittert at the white house. in a fox news alert. is the heavy lift of rolling back obamacare's regulation enters a new phase this week, house republicans will take the bill to the floor. depending on the nose count you choose to believe they might need more yes votes to get them over the hurdle. that's where president trump comes in. it's very much a working weekend for the president and his number two, both are in florida and kristen fisher there at the winter white house. hi. >> hey, leland, today it's not so much what president trump is doing, it's what the vice-president is doing. vice-president mike pence is going to be landing in jacksonville in about an hour

to deliver remarks in defense of the american health care act and then tonight, he's going to be coming right here to palm beach to speak at the annual club for growth conference. a lot of conservative lawmakers are going to be there, exactly the kind of lawmakers the trump administration needs to convince if they're going to get the bill through the house. yesterday, president trump was in full deal making mode trying to put the hard sell on the conservative committee in the oval office. he obtained two big changes on the bill. not all republicans are sold. listen. >> without resolving some of those issue, it's going to be difficult. >> i'm not sure we're getting working on it. >> if i hear one more senator say it's dead on arrival i think my head will explode. >> if there's any doubt how much he supported the bill he put that to rest he said, i'm

100% in support of the bill and he believes it will pass and the house could vote on it as early as thursday. now, leland, of course, it wouldn't be a saturday in mar-a-lago without some tweets from president trump and he was at it again this morning and here they are, said, despite what you've heard from the fake news, i had a great meeting with angela merkel. nevertheless, germany owes vast sums that must be paid, more in the defense that it provides to germany. despite refusing to shake the german chancellor's hand in this awkward photo op yesterday, president trump says the meeting was great and used their joint press conference to double down on unsubstantiating wiretapping claims he made exactly two weeks ago. no mention of it today, the white house says, that today, we should expect a mostly quiet day and what a change that would be for a saturday in west palm beach. leland: what a change it would be. back to you if things change. kristin fisher back at the

winter white house. tonight on the fox news n exclusive look inside air force one. jessie waters, who else hitched a ride to nashville with the president and sits down on with a one-on-one with president trump and interesting answers. 8 p.m. eastern here on fox. elizabeth: let's get to health care. conservative house freedom caucus has been outspoken against the republican house care bill. let's bring in congressman brian babin, a member of that caucus who tells us-- he will tell us what he wants changed to get on board as the bill moves to the house floor next week. congressman, thank you for joining us today. >> great to be with you elizabeth. elizabeth: we had heard the president say that some minds are getting changed. is your mind getting changed. >> we're working toward that, trying to find middle ground, common ground and quite frankly, a lot of folks like to talk about the divisiveness going on and lack of cooperation going on amongst

the republican party, but i would remind them, this is part of the legislative process, finding, you know, a consensus, in texas we call that horse trading, and-- >> what does that consensus look like? what would make you happy at this point? we have some folks who are saying, you know, you've been telling your constituents that you're going to be repealing and replacing, but is there a point where you won't do anything at all because you're not getting what you want? or what's the promise? >> no, i think there's going to be a meeting of the minds here, i'm sure there is. this is the way the legislative process is supposed to talk, this isn't squabbling and a mess, this is debate. what we need, i represent 700,000 people down in east texas, part of houston, over to louisiana and what we need to remember are the people who like their doctors, who like their plans, and who lost them, priced out of the market or have deductibles so high they simply can't use them. so, i think we really need to

concentrate on getting these premiums down. i love the part that was yesterday on the work requirements and the more pro-life issue that will put in there. i like that. but we have to get these premiums down. elizabeth: how do you do that, and get those premiums down with what is presented? >> competition. elizabeth: so across state lines? >> across state lines would be a good thing. elizabeth: what if it's not in the first face, what it's in the first or second phase, are you still going to sign onto it. >> we'll look at those certainly closely. we promised to get rid of this horrible obamacare, that's what i campaigned on and i'm a health care professional and even members of my own family have been impacted. the average family's premiums have gone up $5,000 under obamacare. and it's a disaster. and we have to get rid of it. so, we made that promise, elizabeth, we're going to keep

that promise. elizabeth: there's been a lot of folks critical there's too much focus on age and not on income. is that something that you're arguing? >> well, you know what? i think that we have to concentrate on those working families who have been hit the hardest. lost their doctors, lost their, you know, their policies or have deductibles they simply cannot use their policy at all. yes, we need to make sure that these people will have something that will give the freedom of choice and get these premiums down. i love the parts about the work requirements, expanded medicaid, which will be eventually frozen, i'd love to see it frozen immediately. elizabeth: parts that you like and don't like. what was your reaction when you saw the cbo report? in fact, we have a graphic that shows a jump in uninsured with this new health care proposal. >> well, like some of our leadership has said, some of that jump is going to be attributed to folks that have

the ability to opt out without a penalty. they will take that penalty. elizabeth: do we need the penalty to pay for the health care law? >> no, i don't think we do. i really don't. we need to make sure that if it's not-- a government, federal government mandated and controlled system, we don't need that. but this is what we're going to work to and i'm looking forward to getting a meeting of the minds and being able to get rid of this horrible obamacare. elizabeth: what's your prediction, my last question because we're running out of time. the prediction we could be seeing this proposal on the house floor by thursday, is that right? >> i'm very optimistic. elizabeth: so we have you on record. >> i think we can make this happen and i'm looking forward to it, but we have to remember what our promises were. we've got to get premiums down so people can afford this. elizabeth: from the great state of texas, thank you for joining us, sir. we wish you luck and we'll be standing by. >> thank you. elizabeth: leland. leland: now for a republican who is supporting the health care bill, lock, stock and as

they say in oklahoma, barrel. oklahoma congressman tom cole. good to see you sir. >> great to be with you. leland: i was taken by a quote you had earlier on cnn, you said i would not want to be the republican that derails the train. i'm assuming this is the train of health care. the question is, is that a threat? is that a promise? what happens to these republicans who say it's just not enough? >> it's certainly not a threat, frankly, ap i agree very much with what brian had to say. we're going through a good process and this bill has gotten better as it's moved through the committee process. he mentioned the work requirement and we had additional amendment that you'll see in rules committee next week, it's targeted toward people that are 50 to 64, to try and help them with a higher tax credit than they might have received under the initial proposal. again, it gets better as we go along, but i think there's a political imperative here and

our voters did send us here to repeal and replace. and this is a plan that the president endorses. he's been very open to changes in it, he wants to work with everybody. frankly, he's been instrumental, i think, in creating the movement we've had so far. and so, again, i feel good about where we're going, but it would be tough to go home and explain, at least to my voters. now, i couldn't help the president when he thought this was a good bill, i can't help the speaker, didn't trust either of the major committees of jurisdiction that passed this through, that's a hard argument. leland: next door to you, oklahoma, and arkansas, the senator there is making that argument. no one can say that tom cotton isn't a conservative and he said, essentially, if you pass this bill, that it puts the house majority at risk. i understand a seat like yours in oklahoma is probably not at risk, but if you take a look at the current nose count right now, this is mcclatchy vote

counting 218 to past obviously in the house, 112 lean yes, 198 not clear. 27 lean no, that does not give you a lot of wiggle room and clearly there are some republicans who are pretty worried about what this means when they go back home to their districts, unlike you. >> well, i think, again, most of your voters, no matter what district you represent also voted for the president and frankly the presidential vote is usually more important. like i say, i got 70% of the vote in my district, president trump got 56, if we got in a fight he'd keep his 66 and i'd get about four. so i think you need to recognize that. but, in terms of, you know, where we've got to go, look, the senate needs to engage in the legislative process, i have no problem if they disagree with this, they just need to pass their own version, they can either amend ours or pass their own bill, but then we'll go to conference and work it through. leland: congressman, only about another 60 seconds, but in a

way, you are in a fight with the president. the president sent his budget up to capitol hill with some very steep cuts to social programs and steep cuts to some of the programs that are near and dear to rural voters and perhaps near and dear to his own voters and you on capitol hill said we appreciate your input, president, but congress controls the purse strings. how does that jibe with you saying you don't want to get into a fight with the president? i said the president is broadly right. he wants to increase defense spending, i agree. and wants to do it in in a fiscally responsible way and i agree with that. i don't agree with the particular cuts he proposed. we need to look at the entire budget, 70% or so-called entitlement programs that's where the real money is and cuts reach there. there's ways to do that and i put several of them on the table, that's again, the legislative process. at the end of the day we're on the same team and we'll get to the same place. leland: well, the entitlements

that you bring up and so many republicans and speaker in the past, something the president promised he wouldn't touch. we want to continue that part of conversation soon, sir, so please come back. >> i would love to do it. leland: great having you, sir, congressman cole from the great state of oklahoma and equally great interview, in fact, two equally great interviews coming up on fox news this weekend, that you won't want to miss on fox. first speaker of the house, paul ryan joins chris wallace with a one-on-one discussion with the g.o.p. health care plan and the budget. if there's anyone who counts votes, it's paul ryan. chairman of the house intelligence committee, devin noonez talks the latest on russian hacking. check your local listing on air time news to be made on both fronts, elizabeth. elizabeth: president trump's travel ban targeting six mostly muslim nations remains in legal

lim limbo. justice departments are trying to undo, with two separate appeals court from blocking the ban. reading through the fine print, garrett, where does it stand today? >> late yesterday the federal justice department asked the judge in hawaii to reconsider t shutting down the ban as a whole. the district court judge said that president's rhetoric on the campaign trail that it was a plan to target and ban muslims from the country. in a motion, doj attorneys argued that with that reason watson's temporary restraining order should only apply to a portion. that bans visas from six muslim majority countries and leave the rest in place. >> that's in line with what a federal judge in maryland ruled as well. the judge watson has received criticism for the campaign

renarcs in the ruling. and one described it as a psycho analysis, not constitutional analysis. >> the list for the purpose was originally designed by president obama. how can you say that the inclusion of the six countries on the list was motivated by what mr. trump said when he was candidate trump? that's just not good legal analysis. >> this morning on fox and friends, former campaign manager corey lewandowski said this order is about keeping america safe. and pointed to an incident in paris at an airport where islamic extremists caused an airport to be evacuated. >> we want to make sure that people from libya, somalia, have proper background checks. there's nothing more important to the president than keeping our people safe and the two

judges who put a stay on the order, we cannot allow terrorism to come to our shores. >> they plan to challenge those in maryland and hawaii and the case is still on track to the 9th circuit court of appeals where the president's first executive order was shot down as well. elizabeth: if you're confused, later on in the show, we'll break it down. an immigration expert will discuss the legal hurdles of the president's travel bans and what you need to know about all of the latest rulings. leland: an update to the story that garratt was talking about in france. police there shot a 39-year-old man, who was at the orly airport, one of the two main airports. the soldier was shot, but uninsured. french police say the attacker shot three officers earlier in

the day when they had pulled him over for driving too fast. police fired back, but the man fled in his car. they believe he then hijacked a car from a woman before heading to the airport. france's foreign minister says the man was known to police for robbery and drug offenses and had crossed the radar for suspected islamic extremism. his who us is among the scores searched after the paris attacks in november, 2015. as you might imagine and you can tell from the video, the airport was shut down following the accident and we're told now that it's just about 7 p.m. in paris. flights have resumed. elizabeth: back here, donna brazi brazile that she did forward questions to the clinton campaign before the election, an accusation she previously denied and on our air. caroline shively, this is a

surprising turn of events? >> yeah, it's one a long time coming. an admission five months in the making. brazile denied, she said quote, among as my many things i did as a democratic operative and vice-chairman before taking the chair position was town hall topics with the clinton campaign and make all our democratic candidates look good and i worked closely with both campaigns to make that happen, but sending the e-mails was a mistake i will forever regret. the e-mails sent ahead of a cnn town hall was part of a wikileaks dump out of the dn krchcdnc and it showed a question about flint and the story broke in october. when fox asked, she straight up denied it calling it false information and altered e-mail.

>> as a christian woman i will not be persecuted and-- >> this is podesta's e-mails. >> they were stolen. >> you deny it. >> you're like a thief that want to bring into the night the things found in the gutter. >> she regrets the e-mails in the piece for a time, but she never actually apologizes and denies playing favorites. >> thank you very much, appreciate it. leland: law enforcement sources confirm that the white house fence jumper from last weekend spent 15 minutes wandering the south lawn just behind us before being confronted and arrested by the secret service, adding to the bad news for the secret service, law enforcement confirms a laptop belonging to a secret service agent was stolen earlier this week. the laptop was taken from an agent's vehicle while parked in front of a residence in brooklyn, new york, it said

possibly contained floor plans and information for trump tower. law enforcement sources could not confirm information on the laptop, but fox news told such laptops are encrypted and could be wiped remotely. the secret service says they do not believe, according to one force there, the laptop was stolen by a foreign power. coming up on the show, on top of the missing laptop, we're going to have more on embarrassing information about the fence jumper and possibly what went wrong. just exactly why those 15 minutes went by as the intruder was here at the white house. plus, congress getting ready for brand new investigation into russia's alleged meddling in the 2016 election. intel committee member is standing by to talk about vladimir putin among others. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever?

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>> here at the white house, the alarms did go off last weekend, but newly released details showed it took more than 15 minutes to catch the phelps jumper jonathan tran. the 26-year-old california man was carrying a backpack with pepper spray when he scaled not one, not two, but three fences

to enter the white house complex. and all while president trump was inside the building. the incident, of course, raises new concerns about security lapses and whether the secret service ignored the alarms, why it took so long. there are plans to elect a taller perimeter fence following that 2014 incidents when a man armed with a knife jumped the fence and was able to actually get inside the executive residence. elizabeth: after warning preemptive action might be needed to be taken, rex tillerson is meeting with one of their allies, china. r itch is live in beijing with the latest, hi, rich. >> welsh-- well, the secretary of state is here in the end of an asian tour. he met with his chinese

counterparts, asking what would prompt the united states to push for military action against north korea. the secretary of state refused to answer the specifics. much of the conversation in japan, korea and china has been focused on countering north korea, the specifics development of a nuclear ap ballistics missiles program. and yesterday claimed that chinese actions in response to north korea's continued missile launches and the south korean response to that were inappropriate, unnecessary, and troubling. and earlier, while visiting with his chinese counterpart, the secretary of state says it's time for the world to change its approach to north korea. >> we noted that efforts made over the last 20 years have so far not succeeded in curbing the threat posed by north korea's illegal weapons programs. because china's stated policy is denuclearization of the

korean peninsula we renewed our efforts to encourage them to choose a better path for its people. >> he hopes the united states could size up the situation in north korea in a coolheaded, comprehensive fashion. china has been critical of the united states first for deploying an anti-missile system in south korea and secondly, for rejecting the proposal from the chinese whereby the united states would suspend its military exercises with south korea in exchange for north korea giving up its weapons program, its nuclear program, its missile program. the united states says that's not a productive course of action. china in response says the u.s. should then come up with its own alternative plan. their meetings will continue here in beijing tomorrow when secretary of state rex tillerson will meet with the chinese president ping. in the meantime, the two continue to be at odds particularly over the north

korean weapons program. back to you. elizabeth: rich edson reporting live. we appreciate it. we'll have more on secretary tillerson's trip, when an eastern asian expert joins us. and why he thinks that the u.s. needs to come down hard on china's banks to send a message it north korea. leland: there will be a hearing on russia's possible interference in the election nsa director, and james comey will testify in the hearings. and comey will it ever whether or not they're probing ties between the trump campaign and russia. a majority say that congress should investigate alleged coordination between the campaign and the kremlin, even as some intel officials and the administration continue to say, there's no "there" there. and white house secretary press secretary sean spicer.

>> it's amazing how many of the mainstream media bring up a story that's been debunked by every congressman and including clapper appointed by president obama and the mainstream media hold onto the narrative because they realize it clearly gets them some kind of coverage or ratin ratings. leland: you can watch that full interview tomorrow at 11 a.m. eastern. media buzz with howard kurtz. don't miss it, and later in this show, congressman will herr. joins us to preview the hearing and tells us questions he'll be asking. elizabeth: don't want to miss that. still ahead, president trump's second attempt at a travel ban is heading for more legal showdowns. what to expect from the legal battle. and confirmation hearings for supreme court nominee neil goresuch begins on monday.

what questions are waiting for the judge? >> wait until you see what's coming. we've appointed a supreme court justice to replace the late great antonin scalia, his name is judge neil gorsuch. he will uphold and defend the constitution of the united states.

>> the trump administration is preparing for a showdown once more in the 9th circuit court of appeals after the travel ban. in the meantime, the justice department is asking that part of this executive order, specifically the section that applies to refugees, be allowed to continue. here with a look at the revised ban and legal surroundings, theresa cardinal-brown, former department of homeland security and at the bipartisan poly center. thank you for joining us, my first question is to break down that strategy. when we hear that the doj is

asking for a more specific clarification from the ruling out of hawaii, which if i'm not mistaken is judge watson, why? >> the ruling out of hawaii was the whole executive order. and the ruling out of maryland is to the visas. and my questions is that the justice department wants to narrow the scope of the ruling out of hawaii to move forward with parts of it. they're moving forward to appeal the maryland ruling. elizabeth: that's already been appealed. >> that's going to the 4th circuit in richmond, more conservative than the 9th circuit in california which would take appeal from hawaii. so there's a lot going on here, my guess is that they're trying to figure out where they're going to most likely get the best ruling, but in the meantime, they want to move forward with whatever they can. elizabeth: moving forward because we can just presume that this will be something the supreme court will hear. so their strategy going forward is to appeal in the maryland court, which is obviously the circuit based out of richmond

if i'm not mistaken and narrow the hawaii ruling to then appeal that? >> well, not necessarily. again, the strategy could be let the appeal go through to the 4th circuit could the supreme court if the judge in hawaii is willing to narrow it, they're willing to proceed basically where they're at and appeal the rest through the fourth circuit. >> we'll wait and see and depends what the judge in hawaii decides to do. two things, one is the legal strategy and the other is just operationally. if the-- if this is the second try at trying to do this order that the president said is based on security, to have it continually stopped completely, in his mind is reducing the authority he has to address national security. so, they want to move forward with at least part of it, at least with the refugee piece of it and try to narrow it as much as they can. elizabeth: there's been so much discussion about campaign rhetoric being used in some of these rulings and i want to ask you, you know, is this in the

president's lawful authority, this particular, this course of action? >> so, that's the question at issue. certainly, the immigration act gives the president broad authority to deny entry. elizabeth: it's been historically used. >> not as broadly as here, it has in the past and never been challenged beforement of this is the first time i think the courts are going to take a look at are there strictures on that and what are those strictures. the campaign rhetoric was about a religious issue, a muslim ban as it was called, that raises the constitutional question of whether or not we are, you know, favoring or disfavoring a religion, the establishment clause. that's what's behind a lot of the court cases. how much does that constitutional issue con strain the authority of the president in this case? it's never been tested before. i guarantee the president will want to go to the supreme court to justify the authority he believes he has. elizabeth: before i let you go, judge gorsuch will be facing

lawmakers on monday, as we know. what questions, a, can they ask him, and, b, does he have to answer? >> members of congress will ask any question they want. usually judges before hearings will try to avoid answering directly questions on cases that may come before them if they're confirmed. he's not going to answer directly on how he would rule on those cases, my guess is. how does he feel about constraints on presidential authority. what does ebl is the president's authority on immigration. to the extent he'll answer any of them, that will help people understand where he would come out on that. elizabeth: thank you so much. leland. leland: a lot to talk about for sure. as elizabeth noted on monday, the senate begins its confirmation hearings on president trump's nominee to the supreme court, judge neil gorsuch of colorado. fox news reporter shannon bream

has a preview. >> he will uphold and defend the constitution of the united states. >> it's something neil gorsuch himself vowed to do, the night his supreme court nomination was rolled out in prime time. >> i pledge that if i'm confirmed, i will do all my powers per hit to be a faithful servant of the constitution and laws of this country. >> it's no surprise advocacy groups are split on the proposition, as they ramp up arguments and ads ahead of gorsuch confirmation. >> doesn't-- >> he's about to face critics head on before he goes before the judiciary committee and democrats are vowing to make his course less than smooth. >> if he shows in his answers that he is out of the mainstream, as his opinions indicate that he may well be, i

will use every tool available, including the filibuster, to oppose him. >> pro choice advocates are actively sounding the alarm of where gorsuch man stand on the issue of abortion. given that he would choose a pro-life nominee. and certainly, president trump's litmus test makes it seem in order to get selected if the first place he already has his mind made up. >> gorsuch's supporters believe he'll be hard to trip up no matter how the hearings get. >> there will be people ideologically opposed to this nomination come hell or high water and i think once the american public see him, they'll realize what a terrific nomination it would be. >> and lowering the vote threshold needed to move a nominee from 60 to 51 votes, a number of senators from both side of the aisle have expressed the hope it will not come to that, but g.o.p.

leadership is not ruling it out leland. leland: not ruling it out. shannon bream, great to see you on the weekends. coming up the top of the second hour, about 20 minutes from now, we'll continue analysis on what may happen inside the committee room's hearing and then what happens when and for that matter, if judge gorsuch makes his way to the full senate. stay tuned for bloomberg's supreme court reporter to break that down for us. elizabeth: coming up, we're going to the heartland where obamacare repeal and replace is being hotly debated at town halls and especially talk radio.

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minutes to ascertain exactly what it going on. the president, as you know, is not here. he's at mar-a-lago, florida at the winter white house, however, the response of the secret service is typically the same, when somebody either breaches the perimeter or they have fears that the perimeter may be breached. just off camera to the left we see a number of secret service vehicles, the uniform division vehicles moving into lafayette park and what is called the plaza, just next to the north lawn. they have a pretty well-oiled procedure that they go through at times like this, that is irrespective of what they're seeing. they have the guard dogs out and more on this as it happens. the president in mar-a-lago spending the weekend dealing with among other things his legislative agenda trying to rally votes for the health care agenda. he was here last weekend when

the fence jumper. we're told by the secret service we need to clear the front lawn, which is fairly similar procedures, that they're telling us to do. we're going back to liz here and try to keep our camera up as long as we can. as you can see, a couple of dogs out on the front lawn. elizabeth: as you can imagine we'll certainly comply with those demands. we'll head to break now. of course, we'll come back as news warrants and bring you the latest headlines in an update of the situation at the white house. stay with us.

>> ohio governor john kasich and three other republican governors are adding their names to a growing list of lawmakers concerned with the g.o.p.'s replacement to obamacare. they addressed those concerns in a letter saying the american health care act provides almost no flexibility for states and does not ensure the resources necessary to make sure no one is left out. and shifts significant new costs to states. so, let's break it down. let's bring in john hancock, former party director and the former director of the missouri party. i'm going to try to get you to agree here.

i assume that's not going to be the case, but i want want to start with you, mike, i want your opinion on what middle america is talking about, specifically when we see this reaction from the governors. what specifically do the governors want to see changed? >> well, there's several provisions in this bill that are problematic. donald trump promised in the campaign that everyone who was covered right now would remain covered and, two, their health care would be cheaper. the cbo said this week, 20 million americans would not be covered, and the premiums were going to go up. it's another failed promise by donald trump and i think ultimately, donald trump's done an incredible job of keeping his base support with him, that he had during the campaign. but it's promises like this that he's backing out on, as well as this failed budget that he's proposed that's going to test the strength of those people who were with him during the campaign. >> we're going to get to the budget for sure. john, i see you shaking your head and i've seen and heard

other folks shaking their head when it comes to the cbo report. why? >> well, first of all, obamacare is a dog. it was collapsing, it doesn't work. it was hurting the american people, and the cbo is not able to look at the full implementtation of this thing. this is not just the reconciliation bill that's not to pass and repeal and replace obamacare, it's a series of regulatory rulings that tom price is going to make at hhs that's going to open up the marketplace, it's going to instill and inject competition into the health care industry and that is going to benefit consumers. and i think consumers are going to end up with more choice, more options, and better costs under this new plan. elizabeth: okay, i want to bring a poll in, john. if you see here, we have a fox news poll, an opinion of obamacare. now there's a 50% favorable of those who are polled. so, you have a very optimistic viewpoint about this, when we're looking at this and we

see that more people are pleased with obamacare than before. how do we make it better? >> well, it's a two-pronged fight that you've got. you've got to win the fight in the building, in the capitol, getting the votes together to pass the thing and then go to the american people and make your case why this particular plan is better than obamacare, i think we're on the front edge of that now and i think it's a fairly easy case to prosecute, to litigate. elizabeth: mike, agree or disagree? >> of course i disagree, the fact of the matter is that so many people are going to be cut off health care. obamacare started to address that and so many people were brought in and president trump, like-- >> are people going to be able to be sustainable? you're saying that people aren't going to be able to get health care. are they going to get health care as things are now? is it sustainable the way it's set up? >> no, there are things that need to be fixed and the democrats have come to the table and said that, those are not the ones who said we ought to repeal this with no

solution. the solution is fa far more desperate to folks who need access to health care than what we currently have and that's not what was promised during the campaign. >> obama care is a dog, this is better. elizabeth: your response, the president said there will be replacement. there's not going to be a blanket repeal and more people covered than ever before. >> well, i think what you're going to see the access to health care, there's a lot of people on obamacare now that can barely afford the premiums. god forbid if they get sick because those deductibles are so high and so ridiculous, that the health care they've got now isn't working. and by stripping the mandates, by allowing broader competition, by encouraging health savings accounts which this bill does, more people are going to have access to more affordable health care and more freedom to choose what they want to do and that's a good thing. elizabeth: i want to ask you about that before we go. some things have been referencing competition across state lines and i'm curious to what what middle america is

saying, what democrats are saying, do they feel like that's going to inhibit the success of a replacement? >> well, nobody really understands this across state lines. of course, montana may have cheaper health care, insurance premiums than missouri, but how do you buy a montana program when all the doctors would be exclusive to montana? nobody's properly explaining how being able to purchase across state lines will ultimately work and that's because it's a made up story. elizabeth: john, and mike, i have to leave it there. you both were fairly cordial, we'll have you back as we continue this debate. thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> you betcha. >>. elizabeth: as reported earlier, leland vittert on the white house grounds, this is a fox news alert. i want to bring him in. we had spoken to leland probably four minutes ago and we had seen some activity behind us and he's moved inside the building and he's in the briefing room. leland, i want to bring you in, initially we had seen some activity behind you and german

shepards and the secret service agent with a rifle drawn. can you give us an update, cleared from the white house lawn along with other correspondents from other networks? >> exactly, elizabeth. and this is fairly routine from secret service procedure. a source tells me someone either was able to jump the fence or certainly tried to jump the fence and that's when you get the response that we saw. and that is, the secret service dogs deployed, those are the apprehension dogs the german shepards and counter assault with the long rifles begin walking or in this case, running down the north lawn towards whatever the threat is. the threat being whoever it is, either who tried to jump the fence or was able to succeed in jumping over the white house fence. the white house fence, in past year or so, has been reinforced with what they call anti-climb elements, spikes at the top, but as we know from last weekend, people have been able to get over.

it'sen clear whether this person today was able to get over the fence or simply tried to, but the secret service then cleared everyone off of the area where we normally stand on the north lawn, and with that, they pushed everybody out of lafayette park, guns drawn. and then they begin a very methodical search of the north lawn where agents will walk arm in arm, essentially, to see if anything was thrown over the fence. if anyone is hiding anywhere. the concern for the secret service, obviously, whoever comes over the fence, but, wills, if perhaps it was a diversion technique. if there was something else being planned somewhere else and that's why they begin the process where they lock everything down and then slowly lift the lockdown and return to normal, if they believe that everything is okay. press brought in here, inside the briefing room. we're locked in right now. and it is absolutely outstanding how many agents all of a sudden appear from the secret service, both agents and members of the uniform

division, appear out of snow whe-- nowhere when these occur and locked down of the white house. and the president was not here when they had the fence jumper that roamed the grounds for 15 minutes. the president right now is down at mar-a-lago, florida. typically though, here at the white house, we see a pretty similar response to our vantage point, whether the president is here or not. the secret service protocols don't change that much as it relates to the north lawn and the areas that we see, clearly we don't know what happens with the president if he were here when an incident like this were to occur. secret service notoriously tight-lipped at times like these and you can see sort of by their posture, a little bit, liz, how they're looking at something and i can tell you that the sounds that occurred in those 10 or 15 seconds, as it was clear that an alarm went

off, are frightening to say the least. the dogs coming out of their cars, they start barking as they head off leash and trained to go towards whatever the threat is on the north lawn. you hear the clanking of automatic weapons as they're brought out of the cars as well and then the shouting of the secret service agents on a beautiful saturday like this, there are hundreds of people in lafayette park, looking at the white house, taking selfies, taking pictures, and you hear the secret service agents come outing of their cars in lafayette park as well and start screaming get back, get back, get back, and you see the crowd run, almost in panic mode. as i look out right now from the briefing room through the glass, i can see a number of agents still out of their cars, weapons drawn here. again, we didn't hear any shots fired. we don't know if this person made it over the fence, liz, but certainly one secret service agent telling us that someone tried to get over the fence and with that, the response that we saw pretty

typical and also consistent with that reporting as well. we're inside the briefing room. no idea when they'll let us how. more on the other side of this break, as news continues to break from the white house. president trump touting his deal making skills as they're voting yes on the plan, republican leadership takes the bill to the house floor and we'll see if enough is enough. i'm elizabeth prann, welcome to the second hour of news headquarte headquarters. um here and i want to bring in leland vittert following the situation on the white house lawn. as you know, the alarms did go off as one of the world's most watched buildings. our own leland vittert was brought in from the front lawn

as those who were on the front lawn were in fact removed and evacuated from that property. leland, what can you tell us? of course, obviously, this on the heels of the report that there was a white house fence jumper, name is jonathan tran, that happened obviously at the white house they the president was inside the premise. he is not today. he is in mar-a-lago, but you were obviously there. what can you tell us? >> the response from the secret service swift and overwhelming. someone secret service agent told me off the record, at least, that we believe there was an attempt to jump the. whether or not somebody ma i had it over the fence, i asked him was it a fence jumper and he said uh-huh. and whether they were able to apprehend them before he made it over, we don't know. we saw it transpired just about 15 minutes ago. the north lawn is where

lafayette square is. as we were in commercial, you heard a loud sound, almost like that with the car door opening or something like that. the attack dogs that they have positioned up here in cars near the residence took out across the north lawn. secret service officers from the car deployed with long rifles drawn and we began to hear the shouts of the secret service officers in lafayette park where the public is allowed and there were hundreds of members of the public enjoying this beautiful saturday in washington. with that, their shouts came, get back, get back, go, go, go! and the crowd took off running towards 15th street. we didn't see anyone apprehended. we did see sort of over the crest of the north lawn, we'd estimate somewhere between half a dozen or a dozen of the secret service uniform division officers.

that is when they told us to leave the position we are normally at where you see the picture of the executive mansion. and then come in here to the briefing room. you can imagine the secret service is a little on edge right now. it was about a week and 12 hours ago that there was another fence jumper. jonathan tran, 26 years old made his way over three separate fences. made it onto the white house grounds and wander around for about 15 minutes before being apprehended by the secret service. the secret service did put out a memo talking about how upset everyone was by clearly a breakdown in what should have happened if soames want to be on the ground for 15 minutes

clearly should not have been there. last friday night and saturday morning, the present was at the executive mansion. he was sleeping here. today, this sunday when we have instant right now that is now about 20 minutes old, the president is not there. so being at the white house a couple of years and inflated secret service response that we see is fairly typical whether the president is here or not. it is not to say the things in a different the president is actually standing inside the executive mansion. but the response we see is about the same. as he looked up in the press briefing room which is a little of an obstructed view here, by the berm i can see some of the officers outside of the cars. one is walking towards the press breaking room. that's unusual not unheard of. we're still trying to get more

information from the secret service and confirm this report that we have. from the uniformed division officer that this was either a fence jumper or an attempted fence jumper. a lot of discussion we had some last weekend about whether or not there needs to be an increased security here at the white house. whether they need to raise the fence quicker, they have talked about raising it and obviously those anti-climb spikes that they put on in the past year or so. may or may not have worked in this case. certainly not last weekend we will not toss it back to see if we can't get more information from our sources here and obviously work to get information from the secret service on exactly what happened here.>> elizabeth: think you will come back to you. in the meantime we will continue our conversation about the administration.the president counting is dealmaking skills. after negotiations on friday, republican leadership takes the belt to the house for next week so is it going to be enough?

kristin fisher is in florida where the vice president will be promoting health plan in about an hour. the christian, i want to bring in first and foremost, have you gotten any reaction from the white house about what is recently transpiring at 1600 pennsylvania avenue before we get into what the administration is doing this weekend to get the bill through the house. >> hi liz, no reaction from the administration just yet. the president has been over at the trump international golf club holding meetings and several members of his team and staff.so far, no reaction from them as to what has been transpiring back at the regular white house while the president spends his weekend here at the winter white house. back to healthcare. right now the administration is really an hard-core dealmaking mode and president trump is really the closer and she.as paul ryan alluded to yesterday.

at there was any question about the president's level of support for the health republican health care plan he put that to rest yesterday. with this very strong statement for it. listen to this. >> i just want to let the world now, i'm 100 percent in favor. these folks, they are taught and they love their constituents and they love this country. these folks were mostly saying no. yesterday and now every single one is a yes. now he is referring to members of the conservative republican committee. they met with him yesterday in the oval office and several agreed after he endorsed big changes. so president trump and the administration are making progress and that will continue today. the vice president is expected to land in jacksonville in about 30 minutes to deliver remarks in defense of the bill.

and tonight he will be in palm beach to speak at the annual conference. a lot of conservative lawmakers will be there and that is exactly the kind of crowd that the vice president needs to convince if the trump administration wants to get this bill through the house good and it could come as early as thursday. >> elizabeth: okay kristin fisher reporting, thank you so much. we appreciate it. now i want to go back to my colleague in the white house briefing room. he has been obviously following this. leland, when we saw you last you on the white house lawn. and you had to evacuate now you are inside the briefing room. kenny tells of learned any new information? you know if anyone penetrated the friends always is a routine stair there? >> routine in the sense of using this happen before liz, not routine anything having secret service deploy their

dogs and the officers with long rifles go. sean spicer, the white house press secretary working for the weekend here just came out from his operations room. he had been on the phone with the secret service.he now tells us the person did not make it onto the white house grounds. he did not make it over the fence. they jumped what many quality bike racks here. that is sort of a buffer zone that the secret service has created on pennsylvania avenue between what is the main white house fence, the black wrought iron fence and the sidewalks. that has been put in over the past couple of years. they had problems with fence jumpers.so they created this buffer zone for the secret service that would give them more time to respond if someone tried to make it over. so here's what we can get together from sean spicer. he just got off of the phone with secret service and there were other sources and then our own reporting. now about 30 minutes or so ago, maybe less there was somebody who tried to make it over the bike racks.

which is the buffer zone next to the white house fence. without the secret service, that is when the alarms went off. these are the apprehension dogs deploy out onto the north lawn of the white house. nice of the secret service officers from the uniform division deploy as well with their long rifles drawn. out across the north lawn. they're going towards northeast corner of the white house complex. and we also saw lafayette park where there were hundreds of folks gathered on a beautiful sunny saturday looking at the white house. they were cleared off by the secret service. as far as we can tell this person has been apprehended. it is being questioned by the secret service as is their standard procedure on a day like today. and now we kind of weight. we are locked down here inside the press briefing room as often happens. not too many press years because the president is not here on this beautiful saturday.and we wait for the secret service to give the all clear. they will search whatever area

they needed to search. out there near this perhaps part of the north lawn as well. and then they slowly return things back to normal. but certainly, his response from the secret service that we expect and obviously everyone here probably a little jumpy after the news from last weekend where that fence jumpers spent 15 minutes wandering white house lawn. as we can say now that did not happen in this case. the guy did not even make it over the white house fence before the alarms went off. and the government side of the buffer zone by the bike racks. >> elizabeth: okay we will continue to monitor this. sean spicer is valid he said. >> reporter: yes we will bug him too. >> elizabeth: we will go back to the news and in the meantime i want to bring in a congressman. we are watching this story develop at the white house. in fact last weekend we had a similar event. alarms went off. details revealed later that

there was a 26-year-old man who jumped the white house lawn and he was on the premise and what we learned for 15 minutes. so i want to get your reaction because there has been a lot of headlines in the past week or so and the secret service has been in that title. >> the first thing the secret service is doing well is that they have leland there and when they're not there. but i sit on the house oversight reform committee. we have had three or four hearings over the last year and 1/2. on secret service tactics, and procedures. this protecting the white house and the president is a serious job. there has been deficiencies in house secret service and how they are going about their business. they're having problems with hiring folks and the people that are working, they are

working too long hours. they're not getting proper training and we are seeing some of this. they have not had a very good week. we need to solve this problem. we solved problems under president obama and now we're seeing them under president trump. >> elizabeth: we talked about the fact that -- was stolen from an agent's car in his brooklyn driveway. why is it hard to fill these positions? i mean it is not an easy gig. >> reporter: it is not an easy gig but historically the secret service has been one of the most professional organizations in the government. there has been a culture problem and when you have a culture problem that impacts, you do not see these ramifications of that until later on down the road. and i think we have been seeing it. training is important, pay is important, making sure that men and women in the secret service are operating under reasonable hours and it is a tough job. we had to make sure that we

solve this problem because this is an important duty. not only protecting the president but when you have heads of state coming and, their involvement and we cannot even imagine if there was a problem like this with a visiting head of state. >> elizabeth: i remember in 2014 when a gentleman actually was able to get into the white house, the building. so there is a lot of safety precautions around the white house. and there seems to be more. we talked about the numbers of fencing and we showed some of the viewers there needs to be more. >> we should be looking at the problem, whenever you have countermeasures and the bad guys are going to be able to with.2. . so protecting a facility or an individual, it is always changing. something we should be able to see, some things you should not. i think we really get down to it, we understand how to

protect 1500 pennsylvania avenue and the need to be a thorough review of why these recent problems have manifested themselves. and we have to solve this quickly. >> elizabeth: i do want to switch gears because we initially brought you on. we were discussing, imagine the house intelligence committee which you are a member of. we will be having some really important meetings this monday as the director of the nsa and fbi director will be sitting in front of you. any predictions for monday? what will we be learning? >> i think it is must watch tv. >> elizabeth: that is probably an understatement. >> reporter: they rarely hold a public hearing. i think the seriousness, the russian involvement and trying to mutilate our elections. it warrants having this open hearing with the american people. they are demanding this. it is a way to show this is transparent. i hope that my friends on both sides of the aisle remember that to do a review of this

magnitude needs to be bipartisan. it needs to be thorough. we need to be precise in the language that we use so that we can make sure we're getting to the bottom of what happened. what cybersecurity tools do the russian used to influence elections? what do we know about the plans and intentions and motivations of russian intelligence to do this? what americans may or may not have had contact with russian intelligence officials? what information was being collected and may have been shared outside of, did somebody violate the oath to protect this classified information? >> elizabeth: i'm going to ask you. we received word last night -- with set deadlines. can you revealed to us who was unmasked during that ? can you revealed was anything before we listen to these

hearings on monday?>> the question is, whether or not some investigations are ongoing. if a criminal investigation is ongoing it should not be talked about in the press. because what the fbi is going to have to do, if there is a criminal investigation they're trying to build a case to go to court. this is not the time to try to get involved and understand what is happening. after an investigation is completed, that is the appropriate time for the house and senate committees to come in and review and make sure all of the t's are crossed and eyes are dotted. you have issues at hand. stuff that may or may not currently be going on. because you do not want them to deny or confirm an existing investigation. you can have an intelligence investigation versus a criminal investigation. i do not, i'm glad i'm not the director for admiral rogers because there will probably be a lot of questions asked that

they cannot answer. >> elizabeth: congressman, this will not be the last we hear from you have a big week coming up. thank you for joining us and giving us a preview. but like is that it will be must-see tv. >> thank you, always a pleasure. >> elizabeth: we are live from the white house. we will continue to update you on today's incident. the latest in a string of security breaches. we will bring you more as we get it. coming up we will go live to jacksonville order with the vice president is spending the day with business owners. talking about the economy and healthcare. us secretary of state issuing words of a warning to north korea. and of course his allies. we will have the latest from beijing.

>> the white house is still unlocked on every man on this sunny afternoon in washington tried to get over the fence into the white house. he did not make it there. he only made it into what is called the bike rack and that is what you were looking at in this low black line of metal barricades. the secret service put out a couple of years ago to prevent

incidents just like this. we are told just about 40 minutes ago, someone tried to make it over the bike racks. that is when the secret service responded. the apprehension dogs were let loose across the north lawn. agents and officers with their long rifles began to deploy. the public was evacuated for lafayette park. that is the area you're looking at right now. which is a beautiful place to stand and take selfies at the white house. that is when the agents came running out and told everyone to get out. we are told by the white house press secretary that the secret service did a great job. they say that the person never actually made it over the fence into the white house complex. people are a little jumpy after last weekend when unlike today, the president was here when a mandated not only over the fence was spent 15 minutes wandering around the white house grounds before being apprehended. clearly things happen a little bit differently today.

a little bit more as they should today. no idea on who this person is. we are checking with surface with the secret service and bringing information. we moved off of the north lawn, into the briefing room where you normally see the press briefing take place every day during the week. and then it is packed with reporters during the week on a weekend like this with the president out of town not many folks here but we press on with the show. one of the things that the white house is focused on this weekend with confirmation hearings of their nominee to the supreme court. judge neil gorsuch.someone that the president talked about on wednesday at his rally in nashville saying how excited he was about this nominee.and by our reporting from our producer, it was the judge sitting for a couple of days if not a couple of weeks just a couple of hundred yards from here any eisenhower executive office building. and they went we -- according

to senses inside the room he did well ahead of his confirmation hearing that start tomorrow. and to talk about the confirmation hearings we bring in none other than greg, the reporter from bloomberg. good to see you. with this breaking is, it is interesting as much as we are hearing about the battle for healthcare and for that matter, the battle about the president's budget unveiled this week. democrats are not really making a lot of news about the judge gorsuch confirmation hearing. can i let this one go? >> a lot of this is just the news we have been having in the first couple of months of the trump presidency. there's a lot going on. they are ramping up with the hearing next week. we will him or talk from

democrats. senator feinstein put out a series of press releases last night and she called him an activist and extremist judge. i think that the rhetoric on this nomination is going to start to get more intense. >> the judge has been involved in about 3000 rulings. he was on the list of 21 that the candidate trump put up as a conservative judge.he thought should be on the supreme court. other any of those 3000 that the democrats can really pull out and say this is why judge gorsuch should not become justice gorsuch. >> they tend to favor the big corporations against the average people. and they call a trucker case with a truck driver that was driving and had problems with his brakes. he was out in the cold waiting

for a repair person and eventually said i'm going to take the cabin leave the trailer. but he was fired for that. a state may not have been a good policy by the company but it was not federal law. and you will probably hear a lot about that. >> the republicans think that this is a solidly conservative judge.and not a lot of uncertain issues but the same is on the plethora of other rulings they greetings a constitutionalist in the legacy of antonin scalia whose seat he will fill. but the question is, what are republicans going to use to highlight him going forward as a judge for the people? how do you counter that democratic argument? >> part of is is giving him a

chance to talk. have not heard from him since january 31 and he stood next to the president. and giving him a chance to tell his own story. i think no one is disputing he is an extremely smart man. extremely well credentialed. just letting him talk will, republicans will portray him as somebody who does not look at the results of a case like that trucker case i talked about. he follows the law. and they will point to counterexamples where he may have come out on the other side but in this case the republicans are going to say look, this is a guy just follows what the statute says, with the seth constitution says and not putting his personal preferences into the mix. >> when he was introduced by president trump, he said look, if a judge agrees with every ruling he makes he is not doing his job. and that sort of has the question. especially when you look back at some of the things that he wrote. the 2006 feature of assistant suicide and euthanasia. the 2005 in the american

journal with its american liberals to become addicted to the courtroom. you do get a sense that this is a judge who would say, a strict constitutionalist rather than someone wants to assert his own opinions whether he thinks that they are they relieved by the law or not. >> there certainly are examples where he has, and much like justice we -- like justice scalia and he believed in something called the role where you have criminal statutes unless someone off the hook if it is not clear. the counterargument is going to be yes but in most cases boys talk about those items like abortion and gay rights, potential donald trump's travel ban, democrats are ultimately in those big picture items, he is going to end up on the conservative side. >> and literally two words he

makes it out of committee yes, sir no? >> yes. >> and the senate? >> it is hard to tell. >> we have to go. argie tell.that means you get to come back and talk about it next week. thank you, sir. liz? >> elizabeth: as you know we are continuing to follow this developing story. you are outside of the white house where secret service sprang into action earlier. after a fenced jumper attempted to go into the white house. the picture you're looking at live. that is new york and pennsylvania avenue. we did see a tweet from sean spicer that wrote in part, individual jumped like rack. great response from our secret service. those bike racks conservative buffer zone in front of the white house grounds.

they are on pennsylvania avenue, they keep the public and tourists away from the actual fenced area. we'll continue to follow this story and we will be back in just two minutes. stay with us.

>> elizabeth: brand-new fox news poll showing president trump and the american public. the latest poll shows that hit a rating of 43 percent down about 5-point four february. here to weigh in on the fair and political discussion, we have adam goodman and -- brad bauman. thank you for joining us. brad i know your response to this. i want to get your reaction to this most recent poll that i just listed. did you think he is going to get a higher job approval

ratings are a lower one? >> dontravious trying to prosecute major-league change. he is instructing a system that has been in play and in control for a long time. that is why they voted for change. i'm not surprised by the numbers but i am in the business as a consultant. in fact we're in the business of numbers. and when you move numbers you get things done. right now you have president trump, the master builder who has in front of him legacy like items having to do with infrastructure, trade and regulatory reform, tax reform, healthcare reform. kathy focuses and draws on this, if he treats unless i think he has a chance to move from the normal to be exceptional. and i think that's why the poll numbers have the american saying that's what we are talking about. >> elizabeth: yours and basically are not surprised because of change is required. am i getting that right? that's what you're saying. and i think that you may have a different view.

>> ever so slightly different. i think that when i was taking a look at poll numbers earlier something that stood out on me was just how badly his approval rating was in terms of his handling on russia. and it is clear to me that not just his tweets but his entire handling of what it looks like, a major scandal in his campaign this really dragging down his positive. two weeks ago the president of the united states accused the previous president of the united states of a felony.it hasn't even backed down a moment. and it is really affecting his job approval rating. >> elizabeth: i want to put this poll. the one thing at a time. brad i think you are referring to a fox news poll approving of this. but you see other numbers a little higher such as the economy or handling of terrorism and immigration. ec, a range here. and adam, i want to get your

response because now this is just the beginning.so one thing at a time. >> well, you just pointed to the two issues. the other one being terrorism by the way. on the economy, terrorism, and immigration i think the president is making some headway. and again, you're right in saying that change can be scary but what is ahead in terms of where the polls could be going? is going to be determined largely, if not solely by what this president is able to do and delivering promise.one thing interesting about all these polls, we put the word republican or democrat. republican health care plan. not as bad. the american healthcare plan, a lot more popular. i think it's time for the country just got go to neutral corners. democrat or republican start pulling together as americans to get things done.

>> elizabeth: brad, i want to segue into this third pole. worked on some of the topics we were speaking about. this third pole i want to bring up says should congress investigate alleged trump in russia coordination we see 63 percent say that it should be investigated. but we obviously know the house intelligence committee has a huge hearing. they will be having our president did unclassified hearings on capitol hill which the public will be able to listen to. so what is going to get what they want.i'm curious as to what type of impact that will have. >> i think it is phenomenal that the intelligence committee is doing this in public view. and it is my hope that what this actually goes to is a depoliticize end of the entire thing. i could not agree more with the other guests in terms of is going to neutral corners. there are various items that we really do need to come together as a country. and one of those is getting to the bottom of whether or not the foreign government manipulated us intentionally

manipulated us during an election.and attempted to spiked the ball on our election. >> elizabeth: okay brad and adam i'm so sorry had to cut you off. as you know we have a lot of breaking news today. we appreciate the discussion breaking down all of these numbers. like he said a lot of news ahead this week. thank you gentlemen i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> elizabeth: leland? >> elizabeth: the white house is telling us that the lockdown of the north lawn has been lifted. this after someone tried to get into the white house complex. they did not make it very far. just over the bicycle racks. they did not pass defense before a massive secret service response. more on this response and the major national security threat that the white house is following through the weekend. ... two types of good bacteria. trubiotics. be true to your health.

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white house where there continued to watch a growing national security threat. the secretary of state rex tillerson warning that there may be a need for preemptive military action against north korea. just in the past couple of hours he says that rogue regimes nuclear program is in quote - imminent threat to the united states. he is now in china meeting with their ally if you can call them that. he was a little site and analysis. the author of nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world. and gordon, this word imminent is new. something we have not heard in a long time as are a lot of words we've been hearing from secretary of state.>> right now number three has a missile that they can put a new on and if they cannot do so now they will be able to do this against mom and a year or two. and there are other things we don't talk about. because we always focus on

missiles. they can get this across our borders and reassemble in the city of their choice which means the only reason my kim jung-un has not killed a lot of americans is because he thinks it is not in his interest to do so. so i think that the secretary's tillerson is correct when he uses the word imminent. >> leland: and you also get on this idea of game theory when you think it is not in his interest. but the theory behind the north korean nuclear program, at least in our mind it has a was been sort of the saddam insurance policy. i have a new, the regime survives forever. so following that theory out, why is it that imminent threat? if they want to survive, let them survive. and we all move on.>> for the most part it is true. they want a deterrent. but none the less, kim jung-un i think is losing his grip on

power. he is probably more insecure than he has been in a long time. you know late january and february we saw so many instances of sick insecurity. and he may think is very little to lose. you might try something which is really of interest and that could escalate into a terrible spiral. that is why we have to be concerned. >> leland: is clichi and if he figures if i go out i'm going to go out with a bang. >> and the founder north korea actually told that to his son who is the father of the current leader. we do not know whether he told that to kim jung-un but it is probably a safe bet. >> leland: like father like son. >> that is the mentality of this regime. >> leland: on some level these are decisions made by men about terrible things. nuclear weapons and i've often brought back to think about nuclear weapons. something written in the 1950s, a favorite of john kennedy that related to the soviets. it was a quote from them he

said keep strong if possible. in any case keep cool.hunt i'm unamended patients, never cornered an appointment and always assist him to save face. put things in your shoes to see things through his eyes. avoid self-righteousness like the devil, nothing is so self blinding. does that apply to north korea in the same way, and so are we following that theory? >> it applies to everybody. and all of our relations to other nations. kim jung-un was a state that is very different world become a different calculus.we really do have to put ourselves in his position. but the one thing we have to understand of course is that we need to deter north korea. in many times we have not done so. they took the intelligence ship out of international water and we did not concurrently shot down a plane and we do not do

anything. he thinks that he can push us around and we have not deterred him in certain respects. >> leland: i wish it was a better picture you painted. i hope we can have you back when this turns into something else. this is a real possibility. good to see you gordon. >> thank you. >> leland: liz? >> elizabeth: is been over a year since the san bernardino california issue. and why people are seeing roadblocks and getting their lives back together. we have that story coming up next.

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san bernardino terror attack that was wounded are running into roadblocks to receive treatment for injuries. will carr is live in los angeles with the story one survivor who has more than 20 surgeries as a result of the incident. i will. >> reporter: you will remember that 14 people were killed and 22 seriously injured in the san bernardino terror attack. and valerie weber who was shot twice her pelvis shattered and arm paralyzed book requiring with a 20 surgeries. since they were attacked inside

of an office in san bernardino county, the california's worker's comp. deductions detect victims of told us that the doctor's orders will continually denied or modified causing them to make critical treatment -- >> this was devastating that my life will never be the same. but then to have to deal with bureaucracy is, it's like being victimized all over again. >> reporter: weber is now back in the hospital. she is in icu after complications with her most recent surgery. and here is a systemic problem, they fear it will only continue. according to a report this month they state the problem identified in the independent medical review decision where the provider's failure to provide an adequate clinical rationale or appropriate documentation. basically pointing the finger

at the survivor's doctor. they say the real fault lies in a broken system, not equipped to handle that of this type. >> this was designed to get people healthy and back to work. in the exact opposite is happening. they are not getting people well. they're not getting them back to work. >> reporter: according to the report the county has spent millions of dollars for this. they have repeatedly denied an on camera interview to explain why or has not been done to help the victim's. >> elizabeth: that is very hard to hear. thank you will. >> leland: we are back on the north lawn as the president is not here today but that did not stop someone from trying to calm and make an uninvited visit to the white house. we will say what put the white house on lockdown and the secret service's response.

elizabeth: as you know, we have been following a breaking news situation outside of the white house. leland vittert is there, he is back outside although, leland, you did spend a stint inside the briefing room, and now you're back outside. you have the all clear? leland: exactly, all's well that ends well, as one officer told me. that got the blood going, as it certainly did when the apprehension dogs of the secret service took off across the north lawn and the members of the uniform division pulled out their rifles. we're told there was an attempted fence jumper, and now

a live look outside the white house, love yet park and pennsylvania avenue. things have returned to normal, folks are out on the streets on a beautiful saturday in washington. we'll see you tomorrow. kelly: a fox news alert, secret service agents drawing guns at the white house just a short time ago as another person attempting a security breach at the white house in as many weeks. hello, everyone, i'm kelly wright, welcome to a new hour inside america's news headquarters. laura: and i'm laura ingle. today's breach comes as the secret service is admitting that last week's intruder was running free on the white house grounds for nearly 20 minutes. that suspect even approaching agents hours before declaring his desire to get inside the executive mansion. the agency also admitting a laptop was stolen this new york saying, quote, the u.s. secret service can confirm that an employee was the victim of a