>> they're voting on the rule that would get the actual healthcare bill to the floor. got to do that first. >> looks like they have the yeas at 220. looks like them ee get the rule through. that doesn't mean the bill gets through. but the first step, maybe positive right now. >> and the story moving right along. after seven years of demanding obamacare's repeal, republicans face a moment of truth. after fox news learned president trump told lawmakers he's through talking, take the plan on the table or stick with obamacare. welcome to "happening now" i'm jenna lee. >> nice to be with you at home as we watch the deal made i ee leland vittert in for jon scott. this is one of the rules votes that just went through. this is not actually the american healthcare act that republicans want. that vote, conceivably, will

come a little bit later today. the president has threatened to walk away from healthcare. the question is, does speaker paul ryan have the votes to pass his bill as it stands now. conservative republicans, the house freedom caucus in particular, want to ditch obamacare completely, repeal it, and start over. moderate republicans are afraid of being punished by millions of voters at risk of losing health insurance. in the middle of this debate our man on capitol hill, peter doocy begins live coverage. here we go again. this time on friday, rather than thursday, peter. >> leland, those conservative lawmakers have gone from talking about starting a new healthcare bill from scratch to try to put pressure on their leadership, to feeling the pressure themselves. a lot of it is coming from the white house. president trump tweeted this a little while ago. the irony is that the freedom kau cushion, which is pro-life and against planned parenthood, allowed p.p. to continue if they stop this plan.

and that's after white house officials dropped by the capitol with a mess knowledgeage from president trump. you have to vote today. either approve the american healthcare act, then send to it senate. or live with obamacare and then the president is just going to move on to tax reform. there will not be any more changes to the obamacare replacement. it is going to head to the floor now that the rule has passed a few minutes ago with new language that was added to try and get conservative house freedom caucus members onboard that addresses their concerns about essential health benefits. says that the feds are no longer going to require everybody to buy courage for things like maternity care or mental health issues. the states will decide and they'll get $15 bill u.n. to help them transition. the republican chairman of the rules commit think morning explained the thought process. >> the other sooifd the story, essential health benefits are not being done away with. they're being transferred entirely to states. states have asked for the

ability to manage their own money. and manage their own people's benefits of what would be required in states. >> that's not how democrats see things. they're saying that the majority party weakened the american healthcare act by making essential health benefits optional. >> after stripping away the essential health benefits, we are here in morning to push this extreme, dangerous, and callous bill under martial law. >> we do expect the final floor vote a few hours from now, we think it'll happen this afternoon. if it fails, president trump just said, he still thinks that speaker ryan should stay on as the head of the house. leland? >> that clears up one thing, at least. peter doesy, live from the capitol, appreciate it. we'll talk to you soon as news breaks. >> jenna: take it off the list and take it clearer. just want to go back to the

floor of house of represent yis to talk about what is transpiring. in order for a vote to take place over the new healthcare bill, there's several praers that have to happen. the first procedural hurdle -- procedural hurd was overcome moments ago. we're proceeding towards the vote. that's the got only line, as of 11:00 eastern time. glen hall is joining us, news editor for the "wall street journal," focusing on u.s. affairs. what are you watching for next, 1:00 eastern time. >> i'm watching for how we see an alignment come together. there's still an expectation that they could get it through the house. but there's also an ultimatum on the floors you've been discussing. the rest of the next four or five hours of debate if it goes that long are intended to allow everybody to come to agreements that are being negotiated at the same time. so, we will be listening and talking to people all throughout the day to figure out what deals are being brokered to get enough

votes to get it off the floor. >> jenna: you mention deals being probingered. how does this come together. we're getting color from our gate producer on capitol hill, he's watching a congressman, the whip, work-over, if you will, congressman davidson who's a member of the freedom caucus in the back of the chamber. these discussions are taking place. in the meantime you have donald trump coming out, president trump saying this in his twitter account about the process. this just coming out moments ago. "thank you! more conservative groups are endorsing the new healthcare bill." what's your sense on this. glenn, as to whether or not this gets to a vote and it passes. >> it's definitely going to get to a vote. i'm pretty confident that will happen today. it's up or down vote. nobody can get the math straight. there's so much negotiating being done. do they have the votes to get it

off the floor is the question. another big question we should be talking about, what does it take to get it out of the house and is that going to get it through the senate. that's not challenge if they get done today. but let's not get ahead of ours the. >> jesse: >> jenna: we also have to ask the question besides the procedures, what does the policy actually bring the american people. something we will be talking about with congressman cole in a few moments, why is this the right thing right now. what is his argument for. that we will be talking about. you mentioned, glenn, there's a piece in the "wall street journal" that caught your attention about the process coming from jerry side, a frequent guest on our program. underscore his theory of healthcare and how it might be best to make changes to it. >> our washington columnist jerry sibe, making the point that healthcare is maybe a big, big issue that is too hard to have a broad, sweeping reform s support. what we have seen so far in this

track to usness in the g.o.p. others are saying maybe this is something you should tackle with singles instead of shooting for home runs at the bat. the problem that he points out in his column, the republicans throughout the 2016 campaign from the president all the way down, promised repeal and replace. it's hard to turn around and say we're just going to fix which is what singles would be. >> jenna: wouldn't you think that the process and the drama over the process starts negatively affecting the policy, the policy changes that are being advocated for? >> the whole process is working the way the legislative process is intended to work. the problem that i think we see with the process is that within the gop it's really two parties battling as one. you have these ultimate -- this conservative group that wants to see the healthcare costs coming down. want to see the federal taxpayer not carrying as much of a burden. and you have others in the moderate factions that are worried about the impact on

their own elections back home if people lose healthcare or perceive they lost healthcare options. those two competing points of view are difficult to reconcile. that's what we're seeing in the legislative process, what is slowing things down. that's a hard compromise to broker. >> jenna: an identity crisis, if you will. these are big issues for a single party to discuss and come to agreement on. glenn, great to have you as always. thank you. >> this just in, 4:00 p.m. in the united kingdom, police are making what are being described as two more significant arrests in connection to the london terror attack. that bumps the total number of peep in custody to nine. one of those has been released on bail. officers have conducted dozens of raids in the wake of wednesday's attack. police asking anyone with information to please speak up. >> we know from many of our past investigations, from the 13 that

we have culled over the last three years, people in hindsight knew things that felt too cautious to come forward or reluctant to. what we're appealing to the public today, if in hind sight you realize something with collin mathoud, something about his movements and cunning, now is the time to speak to officers. >> with that, we now know who the man on the stretcher was. the deceased terrorist, british national khalid massoud. four people dead, dozens injured when he plowed his suv through the westminster bridge, exited the vehicle and stabbed and killed a police officer. the mayor of london last night led a candlelight vigil for the victims, saying his city will never succumb to terrorism although he's said other things about terror in the past. >> it appears that the gop healthcare pill is heading for a -- bill is heading for a vote

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his nomination will have a cloture vote. he will have to earn 60 votes for confirmation. my vote will be no and i urge my colleagues to do the same. . we bring in our panel. ilia shapiro, congressional studies at dacoto supreme court review. and jessica erlich, courtroomer congressional candidate and democratic strategist. nice to see both of you. ilya, start with you, how careful, really, do you think senator schumer's consideration was? >> yeah, i'm shocked, what all of the hearings that we had earlier this week, didn't persuade him how qualified judge gorsuch is. this is all a political play. and schumer is between a rock and a hard place. on the one hand if he fill burnters, even if he finds the votes and makes his members in

states that trump won, walk the plank, mcconnell will get rid of the filibuster. his base is screaming murder and picketing outside his home in brooklyn. it's a no-win situation. >> jessica, you concur? >> well, yes, partly. loss because there's an issue regarding gorsuch being a little bit of the best of the worst of the list of candidates that donald trump has put forward. senator schumer also mentioned that the ideal situation, and what would be sort of more in line with the merritt garland type candidate, some one where the president speaks to democrats, speaks to republicans, and finds some one less of a political nominee. some one who is more based strictly on their judicial past, their abilities, and has less of a political background. whereas that's not what anyone on the list is. so, you know, it's really -- we see this -- >> is it possible any more to

have the supreme court nominee -- >> if gorsuch isn't qualified then nobody is. they will not vote for -- they'll vote to filibuster any republican nominee. that's what this has come to. that's why we need to get rid of the fill burnter. it's all political games. and just vote up or down. >> and now we get to the possible nuclear option. politico floated this idea, the democrats agree not to filibuster judge for such. the republicans free not to use the nuclear option if there was a second supreme court vacancy during the trump presidency. that seem reasonable at all? >> i think it does, in the sense that what -- this ends up coming to almost is getting away from gorsuch, himself, as a candidate and disagreements as to whether people support him or do not as the next supreme court justice.

what happens in the senate in terms of their voting, their rules, and the ability for this senate to actually be productive going forward. they're both very important. because as we've seen, we need to have thoughtful and appropriate processes coming out of the senate. with all of these abilities to, you know, do nuclear options, filibusters, everything else what ilya is speaking to, we get away from the actual business of congress happening. >> well, it certainly, ilya, doesn't seem like there's any business of congress happening. as you look at the senate, it's stalled to say the least. the house is now debating the healthcare bill, we'll see if it gets there. the question really becomes, for the democrats, i guess, where do you go from here? if you're willing to filibuster neil gorsuch, even after president obama said that the last filibuster of a supreme court nominee he thought was a political trick that he regretted, and yet still the

democrats aren't willing to negotiate on this, what else is there for republicans to do but use the nuclear option? >> that's exactly right. this is a crazy deal. the democrats for good or ill have no leverage in this situation. for such is going to be confirmed one way or the other. and it's, as i said, a lose-lose. going forward, they have -- they're much better position to fight on whether it's haushg or tax reform, from these other issues that might split part of the republican caucus. but on the supreme court, on these kind of bread and butter issues, gorsuch, even if he didn't answer questions as much as some people would have liked, has done nothing to disqualify himself, imminently qualified. 10 democratic senators are up for re-election next year in states that trump won. if they're going to walk the plank on that, i don't see an upside for them. >> we've already seen conservative groups target some of those 10 democratic senators with ads and the like. certainly, at least previewing what would be to come in their

election if they vote against the judge's confirmation. jessica, ilya, really appreciate you being here. great conversation. >> thanks. >> all the best. jenna? >> jenna:. trump is planning the media coverage of his alleged ties to russia as fake news. we'll debate the coverage ahead. at bp's cooper river plant, employees take safety personally - down to each piece of equipment, so they can protect their teammates and the surrounding wetlands, too. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.

>> jenna: house republicans set to vote on the gop's obamacare replacement. the debate over the bill is happening right now on the floor. this after president trump issued a "now or never" ultimatum has it's described. paul ryan declining to say if he has the votes but indicating we'll soon find out. >> for 7 1/2 years we have been promising the american people that we will repeal and replace this broken law because it's

collapsing and it's failing families. tomorrow we're proceeding. >> jenna: joining me republican congressman to oklahoma tom cole, deputy whip for the republican congress, chairman of the sub xwhit i on health and human services. such a slow, relaxing day on the hill. great to have you. [laughing] >> good to be with you. >> jenna: where do things stand now. >> it's close. it's nip and tuck, honestly. sometimes as you put people on the wagon, they fall off the other side. some of the concessions made to con group, sometimes another. members know this is a big vote. they've taken a lot of time. the speaker has given them a lot of time. >> why do you think if you pointed to one key reason, why is this the right bill at the right time? >> first of all, it gets rid of obamacare. it does repeal all of the mandates, most of the regulations, all of the taxes. second, it really does provide a lot in the way of support for

individuals. with tax credits. they can literally buy the plan they want. it moves the decisionmaking out of the federal capitol and ta puts it down at the state level where i think states are much better -- more likely to make good decisions. and it keeps those parts of obamacare, you can still buy insurance with pre-existing conditions, you can still receive -- there are no limits, lifetime limits on your insurance. those sorts of things that are popular. indian healthcare, all preserved. this is the vast improvements over what we have. certainly in my state, we don't do anything next year, the rates go up 69% and we're down to single provider. >> jenna: some of your colleagues say, because the bill hasn't got the mandates premiums will continue to go up. are there any changes to the bill that change that? that's a big question. and i have to run just briefly, i hope to come back to you. here's adam shif, top democrat

in the intelligence committee. we want to listen n. >> some weeks ago the chairman and i signed a bipartisan written agreement that we w conduct this investigation in part in closed session and in part in open session. we had both recognized several times since we agreed to the scope of our investigation, that was very important to bring the public in to the investigation as much as we could. so the country would understand what we were looking at, the progress we were making, what the issues were, and most fundamentally why the american people should care about why -- about how russia intervened in our election. and the seriousness of this issue. the challenge it poses not only for our own democracy but for democracies around the world. we agreed that many of these hearings would be done in open session. we invited five directors -- four directors and sally yates, to come and testify. they all agreed to come testify in open session. because of scheduling we ended up breaking that you first open

hearing into two parts. the second part to take place on tuesday. the three with its for tuesday have all agreed to come and testify in open session. to share with the public what they know about this vehicles. now, of course, there are many questions that they may not be able to answer in open session. but at the same time, as we saw on monday, there is a lot-to-the public can learn about this and should learn about this. most fundamentally, all of the different methods that the russians used to interfere in democracy. and our own, as we see in europe right now in that of our allies. so, it's a very important component. and i think what we have seen this week is the following chronology. on monday we have the first open hearing in which the country really gets a glimpse of what is at stake. they get a sense of why we are so concerned about many things but in particular whether there were u.s. persons involved. whether they were people

involved in the trump campaign that were in any way as director comey said, coordinating with the russians. we not only, i think, gave the public a real glimpse of why this is so significant but we also heard for the first time that the fbi is doing a counter intelligence investigation that involves associates of the trump campaign. and that investigation has been going on since july, and it continues to this day. that of course was very significant information for the public. that was monday. on tuesday, wednesday, the chairman in what appears to be a dead of night excursion obtains or reviews some documents that he has not shared with his own committee. and it's not just that he hasn't shared them with democrats on the committee, he hasn't shared them with republicans on the committee. all of us are in the dark. what was most concerning about that whole incident, is taking that information to the white

house. now, it is associates of the president who are potentially the subject of investigation into whether they colluded in any way with the russians. to take evidence that may or may not be related to the investigation to the white house was wholly inappropriate. and of course cast grave doubts into the ability to run a credible investigation and the integrity of that investigation. that was tuesday day-wednesday. we are here now on friday. on thursday, we learned that the chairman wanted to close the hearing set for tuesday. or cancel it all together. of course, that was not in our view, in the public interest. and we resisted that. today the chairman has announced that hearing is cancelled. he has also announced that he wants to bring back directors comey and rogers for closed session.

we welcome at any time bringing the former directors back in closed sessions. we don't welcome cutting off the public access to information when we have with its as these three very important witnesses who are willing and scheduled to testify in open session. we also made the offer, rejected by the majority, that we could have these three with its testify in open session. and if there are questions members wanted to ask, in closed session that, we could then go to a closed portion of the hearing. in fact this is just what we do in the worldwide press hearings often, where we have open testimony followed by testimony in closed session. the reason we do that in the worldwide press hearings is because there are questions that can be answered in public. it is in the public interest to know what threats the country is facing, even if many of those questions cannot be answered in closed session. of course the session that follows is important to the members in our oversight responsibility, to understand more of the details, more of the

classified information behind those threats. the same is true in this investigation. some of this should be done, needs to be done, in the public eye. so, we strongly object to the cancellation of this hearing. we would still urge the majority to reconsider. the witnesses have made it clear they are still available. we urge that that hearing be allowed to go forward. second, with respect to the documents, again none of us have seen what the chair is rare have referring tomorrow the chair and i did request documents of the directors of the nsa, cia and nsa on unmasking procedures. that is a normal part of our oversight and is that perfectly appropriate. whether what the chairman saw is a sub set of that or not, none of us have any idea. if it is a sub set of what we have requested, and what we

expect to be delivered, it obviously begs the question whether why it was necessary to take a sub set of those documents to the white house before the committee did its own work. be that as it may, at this point, we do not have the full response from the nsa. they responded to one of the five questions that we asked and told us they are working to respond to the others and we have every confidence they are. finally with respect to mr. man i fort, we welcome his testimony before the committee. we welcome that that testimony be done in open session. similarly if it's important to have that closed session it can be arranged. as much of this investigation as we can properly do in public i believe we should do. i'll respond to questions. >> the hearing tuesday with the fbi director and nsa director the chairman said will be closed and classified. will you urge him to make that a public hearing? >> we had a public hearing with

directors comey and rogers already. i have no objection to bringing them back in and having a closed hearing. if there's additional information we can make public and do additional public hearings with them that, would be welcome. but i don't think anyone should be -- should have any question about what is really going on. this is not a desire to have them come back in closed session and that's at conflict with an opening hearing, witnesses that have agreed to appear that, is at most a dodge. we welcome them coming back at any time. what really is involved here is the cancellation of the open hearing. i think the rest is designed to simply distract from that point. >> a followup, that was -- >> what is the reason for that dodge? >> i think that there must have been a very strong pushback from the white house about the nature of monday's hearing. it's hard for me to come to any other conclusion about why an agreed-upon hearing would be suddenly cancelled. it had to do with the events of this week, clearly.

the chairman himself said the cancellation of the hearing had nothing to do with the documents this he saw. we know that was not the issue. so what other explanation can there be? there really is none when these with its are ready and available. >> do you have any reason to believe that the dead of night excursion as you called it was arranged or, on separated by the white house in any way? >> i don't know. i am concerned that the chair has been unwilling to rule out that the documents came either from the white house or coordination with the white house. >> some of the members on your committee have lost faith in devon nunes' ability to be chairman of the committee, democratic member jackie spieir said it is be on sfrux of justice by denying the public hearing. are you there, do you believe that you can still -- he can still run this committee or should he step aside ultimately that's a decision that the speaker needs to make. and i think the speaker has to decide this as well as our own chairman, whether they want a

credible investigation being done here, whether they want investigation that the public can have confidence in. the events of this week are not even kurming. anyone watching them has a legitimate, profound concern about whether this congress, indeed, can do a credible investigation. i think that one of the profound take-aways of the last couple of days is we really do need an independent commission here. the public at the end of the day needs to have confidence that some one has done a thorough investigation, untainted by political considerations. it had been my hope, still my hope, it may be hope against hope, that there's some way that we can do that. but i have to say, i'm deeply discouraged by this week's events. i think the public is deeply discouraged by this week's events. and i think that what at this point would give the public more confidence than anything else, is if we didn't stop what we're doing, but we establish a truly

independent body, quite separate apart from the congress just as we did after 9-11. the public can say at least there we can be confident some one is doing an investigation unhampered by political pressures, uninterfered with by the white house or anyone else. this week's events made that all the more clear. >> given the allegations that the president has made against the former president, have you had any contact with president obama or anyone from the former administration about these allegations that president trump has made about being sur veiled by the former administration i haven't had any conversations with the president. now the president has a huge staff, i don't want to represent whether i've heard from anyone from the prior administration. one thing has been abundantly clear from this week, and it began with director comey's testimony and director rogers, and what they represented on behalf of the department of justice.

that is there is still absolutely no basis for what the president has accused his predecessor of. that was just pure nonsense. and i think what has happened here, and really think people need to understand what is going on here, is the following. the president made a slanderous accusation against his predecessor. one with no basis, that his predecessor, barack obama, engaged in felly crimes and illegally wire tapped him. one after another, republican chairs of the house committee and the senate committee and senators on other committees and the speaker himself said we've seen no evidence to support the president's statements. and then, and then we heard testimony pr the directors this week, saying there is no evidence of this. and then we had this peculiar excursion in which the chairman

said, well, it's still no evidence that his predecessor wire tapped him in any way. and you know, although that midnight run caused some confusion and still does, the bottom line is still the same. and what's happened is that accusation has now damaged our relationship with our british allies. i think the comments the president made with angela merkell to be charitable were the most tasteless i've seen in a meetings of heads of state and can only be damaging to that relationship. but now, i think in an effort to further justify the unjustifiable, he's now interfering in this investigation. and i think the fact that the chairman's press conference was at the white house is not only symbolically important, it's important in terms of understanding what is really going on here. so that effort to defend the indefensible has led us down this terrible rabbit hole.

and threatens the integrity of the only investigation that's authorized in the house. that's where we've gotten to today. >> congressman, how do you -- how do you explain the incidental collection -- >> do you believe the white house is interfering with the investigation? that was what you said the night excursion. can you elaborate on that. is there any level of kind of political tainting that would cause you and the democrats to walk away from this investigation? >> well, you know, democrats feel that if we're not engaged in this investigation no one will be. and there are some, i'm sure in this building, who would like nothing more than for this investigation to go away. that would be irresponsible of us. so, i think we're going to do our best to investigate this regardless of the obstacles we're encountering.

we're going to continue to urge the majority to work with us. to the degree they're willing. but we do feel the need when the majority makes mistakes like today, by cancelling an open hearing, to speak out and speak loudly. you know, in the minority the only power we have is the power of public persuasion. i hope people who are watching will contact the members of the house intelligence committee and urge them to go forward with this open hearing. as important as it is to reach out to democratic members it may be more important for you to reach out to republican members and say you don't want this hearing cancelled, you want to be informed, and you're going to demand that of all of the representatives regardless of party. >> what is your understanding of the nature of how these names were released? is it your understanding that top aso is -- trump associates were party to these communications or they were unmasked in parts of other conversations?

. let me make this the last question. this deals with the question on masking. and, again, because of the extraordinary way that the chairman has introduced this issue, that is by viewing something and telling the press and the white house about it without telling his own committee or sharing with his own committee what is really involved, and we don't have it so we can't say. i have to read between the lines. and reading between the lines of what the chair has said, i would assume, again this is just an assumption, that this is a sub set of what we have requested from the nsa. and, again, sick ant question about why this would be done in this manner if we're going to be getting these documents from the nsa. what we have asked the nsa for is documents that are the result of incidental collection. that is collection not as the president has suggested, that was targeted at the president, was there's no evidence of that -- because there is no

evidence of that. surveillance maybe targeted at foreign spies. in the midst of looking at foreign spies, it could be as simple a matter of a foreign spy mentioning the name of an american. now, you would imagine they might mention the name of an american running for president, that would be considers incidental collection. so, i assume without knowing any better, that what the chairman is talking about is he's looked at communications that were incidentally checked, that is not targeted at the president. no defense for the president. not a full validation or vind days of the president, not a partial validation of the president, a zero validation of the president. even if you accept what the chairman has said. thank you. >> jenna: all right. the top democrat in the house intelligence committee responding to the top republican in the committee. and the news that we heard about an hour ago, that an open hearing that is supposed to be

about perhaps the involvement of the russians with the trump campaign, will be delayed. that was one of the big headlines today. devon nunes, the top republican, said that he wanted to speak again to the director of the fbi and the director of the nsa. because of what he's learned over the last several days. it's hard to follow the bouncing ball on this. the bottom line is, you have the top republican, the top democrat in this very important committee really disagreeing with what is taking place. and you heard from the top democrat there that he's accusing the top republican of having a dead of night excursion to get documents that no one has seen, and keeping information away from the republic. these are serious accusations. adam schiff isn't taking off the table any involvement of the white house leading to this. a lot to impact. we'll talk about healthcare more. but we have a republican congressman who has been standing by with us, tom cole, listening in on his colleague talking about his other

colleague. i'm curious, as you were listening to that, what is your reaction to what con agreeman adam schiff had to say i have a lot of respect for both gentlemen. i've worked with congressman schiff on a variety of issues and devon nunes probably as good a friend as i have in congress and does a great job. they have a prof but i'm confident they'll work it out and get to the truth. hopefully they'll have a chance to sit down. i think, you know, insofar as they've drawn conclusions, they tend to, when they see the same information, they quite often come to the same place. i just think they have to work through it. >> jenna: that's reassuring to hear. with a we're seeing obviously publicly is something quite different. we'll see what happens. we haven't seen any documents from either of them. i want to underscore that. that's a lot of theorys put out there publicly. the facts that really matter in this story have not been presented at least publicly. we'll leave it there. i have to take a quick break.

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>> jenna: congressman tom cole has been patiently waiting with us as we've taken in the breaking news, talking about healthcare. we left off congressman cole with a question about premiums. at the core of a lot of complaints about the new legislation. but it re-- that it doesn't do anything to help individuals experiencing skyrocketing premiums. you say what? >> first of all, there's limits to what this bill can do. it's in the a normal piece of legislation, it's reconciliation. there's a lot of policy elements that will be coming later. some of them have been voted on by the house that will make a difference. second, again, i go back to these individual tax credits which people that are not

getting healthcare through their employer on medicare, medicaid will have i think that will make a big difference. and finally, we did remove a lot of federal mandates, return that power down to the state. states can, i think, be a lot more efficient in picking and choosing, deciding what is in particular plans, that impacts the cost pretty dramatically. >> jenna: we'll be talking more about that in our program as well. speaker ryan says the time is well, pu out a tweet a few moments ago, saying this is the one real chance that the house gop has to repeal and replace obamacare. why is it, congressman, the one real chance to do this? . well, because we've never had an opportunity to vote on this many things in a single package. quite frankly, if you can't get this done, and this removes all the obamacare taxes, all of the obamacare mandates, lots of the regulations, puts decisionmaking back at the state level, these are things that conservatives should want. you miss this opportunity to do them.

you don't know when and if anyone will come along. >> jenna: our team on capitol hill is reporting this, fox is told republicans are trying to isolate feet dom caucus, the house gop leadership team is trying to set up the freedom caucuses the fall guy should the bill go down. if the leadership fails to get the votes they will portray the freedom caucus a being out of touch and blame them solely. is that the strategy? >> no, that's absolutely untrue. anybody that tried to do that would be absolutely unfair. we have support from freedom caucus members for this bill. and from other group members. moderate counterparts. we have opponents in both camps as well. to blame any single group would be a huge mistake. >> jenna: congressman you've been generous with your time, appreciate your perspective and look forward to having you back. >> thank you. >> with the credibility of his investigation at stake, the house intelligence chairman we

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>> jenna: new information on the house intelligence committee investigation. adam schiff telling the public moments ago the chair of the committee obtained information in the, quote, dead of night that has negatively impacted the public's right to know about potential surveillance of the president, his team, any sort of alleged connections with the russians. joining me is columnist, former senior national correspondent, current job is pretty good, we should leave that out. eli, you wrote a piece in defense of devon nunes. nice balance to what we just heard from congressman schiff.

what's your observation, why are you defending devon nunes? >> i'm defending devon nunes, the job of the intelligence committee is to do oversight of the intelligence community f there was information that was incidentally collected to put into intelligence reports and widely distributed, and if that's a big if, he has not shared the evidence with the public. if that's the case, then that's exactly what the intelligence committee ought to do. what the intelligence committee is not equipped to do is a counter intelligence investigation where you have to monitor suspected people who have collaborated with russia and try to hunt spies in the united states. and to do those kinds of things. neither -- no commit any congress is really able to do that. that's the job of the fbi. we learned this week, the fbi has an ongoing investigation along those very lines so the question is, why would you have a simultaneous investigation why while the fbi is doing that. then another question, i would

say that the house intelligence committee, especially, has been politicized by both republicans and democrats from the get-go. we keep getting likes and press conference on what we know and everything like that. none of that is good for the integrity of the investigation by either the committee or the fbi. >> jenna: such a good point. you also bottom lined something in your article that i really want to underscore for the viewers. i want to read one line. you say, there has been a long standing concern that communications picked up of u.s. citizens can be shared widely within the national security state. isn't that the bigger picture that we should be talking about? >> would i say both things are serious. if there was any kind of collaboration or, you know, collusion between a foreign hostile power and presidential campaign -- >> jenna: of course, of course. thamplts's a huge thing. >> jenna: 100%. we don't know that yet. this may be smoke and no fire as mike morrell have intimated who

were on the other side of the investigation. this is a huge thing. we know this kind of abuse happens. it happened in 2015 with the collection on the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, picked up members of congress, jewish organizations, and that went to the white house. it was big deal. schiff and nunes, the democrat and republican, worked together to get new protocols in place to better to congress when it happens and make sure there were better minimizations going on. if something that i can that happened in terms of the trump transition team and it was white house or political appointees and it ended up in the press, the flynn call ended up in the press, other things like that, that's a big deal. i almost say there are two investigations going on here. that's why i think the claim about nunes kind of like, you know, screwing around with the integrity of the investigation by informing trump what he found, he's informing trump that

his transition may have been spied on, may have been, nunls won't use that word, by the government as it was coming in. >> jenna: important point but i have to go. it's all important. eli, thank you. >> thank you. try succulent new lobster mix & match or see how sweet a lobster lover's dream can be. there's something for everyone and everyone's invited. so come in soon.

starts now. >> take it or leave it. president trump is demanding republic answer get onboard with the party's healthcare plan. or he says he will leave obamacare in place. house members are getting set to vote in what could be a make or break moment on capitol hill, we're watching it closely. this is "outnumbered." megan mccain, former security staffer under president bush and obama, gillian turner. former speech writer for president george w. bush at fellow at the american enterprise institute. we are glad to welcome you for the first time as our