special edition of the "special factor" in the potomac. please remember, the spin stops right here. because we are looking out for you. have a a great weekend. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening to tucker carlson tonight. more high profile crimes apparently committed by illegal immigrants in this ricountry. tonight, we will bring you a horrifying story of a gang member deported four timesll accused of sexually assaulting a child and stabbing two women. also, the political aftermath from the failure of the republican's obamacare appear. that happened today, as you've no doubt know.w. but first, the question of whether the obama administration spied on the trump campaign remains unanswered. two days ago, house until jade avenue said there was strong -- now he says he's unsure, partly because the fbi is not releasing

relevant documents for some reason. white house press secretary sean spicer had this to say about it today. >> well, i think that there has been an acknowledgment that there are documents outhe there showing that people were surveilled or monitored to some degree. >> reporter: is closely it's been foreigners, devin nunes concedes. >> devin nunes also made it clear he is going to have a hearing later next week with several members of the intelligence community and calling them other. let's wait. >> why president vindicated by it? >> the president said he felt somewhat vindicated there is somewhat acknowledgment as we proceed down this discussion it continues to show that there was something there. >> tucker: richard good stein a democratic strategist. he has been in washington a long time and knows how the government works. he joins us tonight. >> for better for worse. >> tucker: perhaps this caseor worse. t i think people are missing the big story both sides. so with democrats going on about vladimir putin, the republicans are talking a lot about leaks.

both are missing the actual scandal, which is the political use of classified intelligence to hurt people. and if you are seeing it happen, you've seen it happen here before. explain to me as someone who's watched government a long time, wife republicans and democrats on the oversight committee cannot get relevant documents from the fbi, which they are supposed to be overseeing. what's the possible explanation for that? >> you'll have to ask them. i don't know what the security clearances are. one can't help but be struck, however, let's look at the comey hearing if we can for a second. you know, i was politically active during watergate. and if watergate happened today, howard baker who said d what did the president know and when did he know it s if dhe was devin nunes, howard baker would be huddling with richard nixon behind sam irvin's back instead of asking mitchell what did the president know, he would be like who was deep throat, right? and i think that's perverted. we are really not looking to get to the bottom of what happened here. >> tucker: i think what you're miss something the real scandal is not what

those who are elected do t because we can throw them out of office. we have control over their careers. it's what people who are unelected and would retain a massive amount of power do to influence the course of government behind a screen we can't see beyond. that is to say the permanent government. i'm not a comparison not, but i'm watching this and i'm askinz myself, is it really crazy to think that the obama administration, agencies overseen by the obama white house, were spying on the trump campaign? apparently, they wear. so why is that something i should not worry about? it could be the hillary campaign. i don't care. you shouldn't be spying on political opponents. >> you say "apparently." is this apparently whole litany of things that sean spicer cited that frankly a bit -- >> tucker: no. i'm saying when the director of the fbi james comey says that in congressional testimony under oath, yes, they were the subject of an investigation during thehe campaign. >> what he said,at i think, was that people in the trump campaign got caught up in the investigation.

and, let's -- >> tucker: no, he said they were the subject of investigation. >> let's imagine that paul manafort who we know was paid $10 million a year or by putting compatriots that somewhere he crossed the line in the connection. look, we know that the wikileaks came out an hour after "access hollywood," right? do we think that was just random? do we think that was dumb luck? or do we think when roger stone said it was the time in the barrel that was a coincidence? >> tucker: you aren't going to get me that the russian government wishes us well, they have foroe almost 100 years against our government. of course. but let's not forget that we are not talking about the russian government. we are talking about our own government authorizing a spying operation against its political opponents. that was atl the very heart of the allegations of water great. >> no. >> tucker: yes, it is. we know that happened. >> comey is saying, first of all it, doesn't trace a wit to barack obama. i do hear you, tucker.

i think you know better defending donald trump's un untethered from reality. >> tucker: not only have i defended it, which i put night after night, i questioned him about it. >> to your credit. >> tucker: i've been here long enough toat know that it's a plausible claim, wiretapping, whatever, it's a plausible claim that trump and his associates were under surveillance by agencies overseen by the obama white house. i think that's entirely plausible. you don't think that's plausible? that's a big deal. >> when you say overseen by the obama white house -- >> tucker: they are part of the obama administration, that's part of the branch of governmen government. >> you can make the same charge of the fbi going after it hillary clinton. right? >> tucker: yes, you could. >> exactly. i'm saying we don't know, you know, what the direct kind of relationship is between the fbi and what they sees a their responsibility about disclosing information. they are now entitled to be suspect about sharing things with donald trump. >> tucker: but we do know that the intelligence agency, cia particularly, are in effect acting like their own government, they're unelected on february 16th, 2017, the "wall street journal" reported and no one has refuted it that the cia was

withholding information from trump. normal job is to give them information. information he was asking for. withholding it because they don't think he should have it does that bother you? >> well, if you were the subject -- if you had information and you were an investigator, or you were a government intelligence agency and the person you are responsible to give information to, you thought was actually going to mishandle it? i'm just saying, i understand.ot >> tucker: not your job to make that judgment. >> i don't w know. if you think national security is at stake -- >> tucker: then you resign. we have civilian control of the intelligence agencies. if some army colonel decide we should invade liechtenstein would he be able to do that? no. he works for the president. on march 14th, john brennan assured congress the cia did not hack into the central intelligence committees computers. turns out, we learned july 31st on the same year, he was lying. they actually broke into the senate intelro committees computers because they didn't like what they were doing. are you bothered by that? >>er i'm bothered by weeks. i'm bothered --

>> tucker: that's not a leak that's espionage by elected official. b >> i'm bothered by intelligence agencies misusing their authority, of course. i'm bothered profoundly by the misdirection of looking at leaks and what the intelligence agencies may or may not be doing correctly when the story is, again, possibly collusion between trump associates and russia equivalent of having russia bomb, bomb, bomb the clinton headquarters every day. it wasn't kinetic, it was technological. >> tucker: that's grotesque overstatement but we will let it go by.. we are talking about a political campaign. i'm not defending that here you have the most powerful and well funded government in the history of the world and most secret elements may be using that information for political reasons. in march of 2013, james clapper went before the congress and said, "we are not collecting information wholesale on americans." he lied! nobody seems to care! doesn't that bother you? >> they didn't do a very good job considering they went public with the investigation of hillary. they did not disclose thish about trump. and had they, one could

argue that would have been the equivalent of the comey letter as regards trump and paid the difference in terms of the campaign. >> tucker:e we may be arguing the same thing. i thought that hisno announceme, that hillary was under investigation, that was appalling. and he ought to be fired for that. i thought that at the time and i think it now. you guys are making a purely partisan when there's something much more important at stake, the integrity of our government. >> i i don't disagree that we nd to get to the bottom, get the intelligence agencies not acting like their their own boss. >> tucker: oh, gosh, we agree on that. thank you. >> happy to be here. >> tucker: bill benning worked at the nsa. he was a famous and highly regarded employee there, but he resigned in 2001 saying the agency was building legal mass surveillance networks. he says that president trump almost certainly hast been spied on the government. was being spied on and probably for a long time. bill benning joins us now. bill, thanks a lot for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: just in my intro you spent 30 years there. you aren't s someone who is

speculating. you believe it's entirely possible the president was, in fact, spied on? >> yes, in fact, they are taking in fundamentally the entire fiber network inside the united states and collecting all that data and storing it in a program for -- they call it it's stellar wind is the name for their program. that's the domestic collection of data on u.s. citizens. u.s. citizens to other u.s. citizens. everything we are doing. phone calls, emails and financial transactions. credit cards, things like that. all of it. >> tucker: so if you found someone objectionable or dangerous, the temptation would be profound to locate information on that person and perhaps misuse it. would it not be? >> yes. and, for example, inside nsa they had a program they called love-ent. that's where the analysts nsa looked in to see if the lovers were cheating on them. that's the extent of thena data collection the nsa is doing. >> tucker: i grew up believing that the nsa was not allowed to be collecting evidence. you are saying that that's

it was supposed be outwardly focused on our foreign enemies. you are saying that's been diverted for many years. >> yes, since 2001. >> tucker: so what do you make of considering what you just said that, the nsa has all the information. so presumably, they could c proe or disprove the claims about rushingg to entering in the election, they could prove or disprove trump's treatment of being spied upon. why would they? >> thathi would get into the extent of which the the network inside the united states through there is another program going on here that too many people aren't talking about.k i think you are trying to get at it with your previous guests. inside nsa, there is a set of people -- and we got this from another and it's a whistleblower some of this. they are inside there, they are targeting and looking at all the members of the supreme court, the joint chief of staff's, the white house, the senate. all s the data is there inside e nsa in a small group where they

are looking at it through the idea is to see what people in power over you what they think, what they think you should be doing, or what they are planning to do to you, your budget, or whatever. so you can try to counteract it before it actually happens. >> tucker: >> tucker: i mean, tt east german pier that's got to be illegal. i can't believe that is illegal. >> no, it isn't. >> tucker: right. the oversight committees are supposed be providing that stuff. i remember having a conversation with a former republican chairman of the oversight committee, mikeormee rogers and saying this is ag big deal and getting an answer in effect terrorism. that doesn't soundt like anything to do with terrorism. >> no. this bulk acquisition, by the way, is inhibiting their ability to detect terrorist threats in advance so people get killed as a result. which means they pick up the pieces and clean up the blood after the attack. that's what's been going on. ypthey have consistently failed. when alexander said he stopped, theyge stopped 504 attacks, and challenge to produce the evidence to do that, failed on every count. >> tucker: so, but the nsa --

this is my last question, and it's an obvious one. the nsa is not a country. to whom they report i want everything have you on x. aren't they required to give it's to him? > yes. but, again, he will never know if they do. because they don't necessarily have to do that internally. you see, you had nunes and others saying thatee they never really got to see the raw data. so it's a question of whether or not they pull out the raw data and give him that data or anything, reports generated off that. they don't have to. and they have been lying to them for consistently for a very long time. >> tucker: this is a shocking interview. i appreciate it, bill. hard to believe we are putting up with this. thank you for w shedding some light. >> it's like the praetorian a guard. they are going to determine who the emperor does and what he is. >> tucker: that's the analogy that came to mind. thanks a lot. up next, the trump administration is trying to deport criminal illegal aliens, but they are being hindered by local police who lets them go. texas governor greg abbott

will be here to discuss that problem and then. >> this is in 28 years probably the most heinous criminal act i have ever seen.ly >> tucker: rockville rape was horrendous but another crime in long island somehow tops it. we will talk to the police commissioner they are ahead you totanobody's hurt, new car. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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♪ >> tucker: well, if you live in modern america, you know the rules right nowou peer we are al supposed to follow the law unless its immigration law or any other policy of the anointed leaders of the left happen to dislike. according to the department of homeland security, from t januay 28th through february 3rd, 206 criminally charged illegal aliens were released nationwide

by law enforcement, despite cold requests placed on them by i.c.e. 142 were released by a single charrette. her name is sally hernandez, she's in travis county, texas, austin, where the state capital is bid the released aliens include charges which include sexual assault, robbery, and domestic violence. it is a frustrating situation for the governor of texas, greg abbott. he's trying to ban century cities right now. am i explaining this right? the sheriff, the elected sheriff, whose job it is to uphold the law enforce the law is in fact ignoring the law in travis county, texas. is that true? >> it's exactly right and pose in great danger, because she has knowingly released from jail in travis county people who have been either convicted of pork accused of serious felonies such as sexual assault, sexual assault of a minor. b she's put right back out into the streets. this is a dangerous practice that texas is going to hammer

down. we will not tolerate this. so we have taken action. we are going to take stiffer action to prohibit and ban century cities in texas. >> tucker: this is sheriff sally hernandez known as sanctuary sally. what is the motivation here, why would to a sheriff want to release dangerous people in the community? >> thiss is what you've seen sweep across the united states of america. this is a literal liberal agenda to be welcoming to those people here illegally. she campaigned on it and got elected as sheriff in travis county this year on the promise that she would not enforce sanctuary city laws, she would not enforce i.c.e.e. detainer. and so she campaigned on the promise of not enforcing the law.w. that's not the way things are done in the state of texas. >> tucker: no. >> and we are going to require she and all cities in the state of texas must follow the law. if you want to be a law enforcement, you have to enforce the law. >> tucker: why do they never do this with tax evasion or

seat belt laws or something i might benefit from? >> it doesn't fit within the paradigm of the liberal ideology. >> tucker: what can we do with this? >> one thing i've done unilaterally as the governor of the state of texas i've defunded travis county government grants going to them to the tune of $1.5 billion i took out of their pocket. we are working on a piece of vegetation legislation that would impose criminal penalties for the share of herself can wind up behind bars and hence be removed from office,s finds that can add up o millions of dollars per year as well as some other penalties. it so costly, so expensive, there is no way that any city or county can take on sanctuary city policies. >> tucker: there are also torts involved here. so if i give you my gun, say that here is a gun, you go rob a liquor store and treat someone with that i can be sued. why wouldn't she be personally reliable for the crimes committed for the crimes she

released? >> that's one of the proposals. it could wind up in the final piece of legislation were either the sheriff or the public official personally could be subjecter o to liability or the governmental body, whether it be the city or the county, could be subject to liability for paying for -- take the famous case of kate steinle. why shouldn't kate steinle's family be able to sue san francisco, or the county that san francisco was in because of the loss of their child? i believe that claim should be viable againstin any official or any governmental body that allows sanctuary city policies. >> tucker: have you told trial lawyers this? they profit from them. why wouldn't they be in favor of this quite smack >> because of their liberal agenda! they did not look at this is a new -- they didn't blessed, they supported it. which shows that there isha nothing more than a liberal idea! >> tucker: nothing is more important than illegal immigration. thank you for joining us.

>> thank you. >> tucker: the republican party's obama repeal died a fairly pathetic death. after the bill failed to collect enough republican support to pass , for more on what happened and the after next year, we are joined by fox news' trace gallagher. hey, trace. >> hey, tucker. they knew that passing the bill would be a long shot, but it did not stop vice president mike pence from making one more trip to the hill to see if he could twist a few freedom caucu caucus' arms. but some said it's more like strong-arming.we on richmond thomas massey tweeted, "the executive branch tells the legislative branch went to vote, how to vote, and what would we would be allowed to have both failed" is what the republic. 30 minutes before the scheduled 3:30 vote, house speaker went to the white house tosi inform the president the numbers didn't add up. ryan said he recommended pulling the legislation, and the presidentt agreed. n

here is both. >> wes did not have the votes to replace this law. and so, yeah, we are going to be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. >> i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode and it's exploding right noww. >> while the g.o.p. began licking its wounds, mo brooks was as pleased as he could be that the bill didn't pass. his sentiments was echoed by democrats. listen. >> i todays is a great day for r country. it's a victory, what happened on the floor is ary victory for the american people. for our seniors, for people with disabilities, for our children. >> hillary clintonon also chimed in, releasing a statement saying it's a victory for anyone who believes affordable health care is a human right. one g.o.p. congressman told fox news, "roughly 200 g.o.p. house member supported the bill, which means they were roughly 16 votes short of school.

tucker? >> tucker: thanks a lot,uc trace. up next, police commissioner says it's the worst crime he's seen in 28 years on the job. themi commissioner will be here with the details about the illegal immigrant arrested for sexually assaulting a very small aschild. and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase.

>> tucker: we reported plenty here on the dreadful case in >> tucker: we reported plenty here on the dreaded rape case here in rockville, maryland.'s that's not the only shocking crime committed by an illegal immigrant parent check out this case

he's a member of the ms-13 gang, he's been deported four times out of the country each time after being arrested for a crime. that did not stop them from easily returning each time to his stomping grounds in new york. he's under arrest for allegedly sexually assaulting a two year old and stabbing two women. for moreti information, we are joined by nassau county police commissioner thomas crumpter. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. it's nice to be here tonight. >> tucker: obviously, it's tragic, but it's hard to believe this could've happened. the man was deported four times 2,000 miles away from nassau county. how do you think he got back? >> it's obviously a significant problem when over a five-year period of time, this individual was arrested multiple times and deported four separate occasions, that he was even here to commit this very evil act. >> tucker: is this something that you've seen before? >> you know, we are seeing it, andre unfortunately, we are, you know, just two weeks ago, we

were involved in a case in the eastern district of new york where two young girls were killed in long island, and a significant number of the subjects were all ms-13 gang members all undocumented aliens. >> tucker: so it's not your job to enforce the borders. you seem to be dealing with the consequences of not doing it. do you see w federal >> -- these criminals that are undocumented aliens. and that's what we are talking about here. what we are talking about here tonightt is an individual that created, you know, created a situation where a two your old willgn have to live with significantal, physical injuries for the rest of her life. and it's unfortunate that he was even here to c commit this heinous, horrific act. >> tucker: yeah. it should have been preventable in that sense. there are a lot of politics around this. i know you are serving and law enforcement, i don't want to put

you in an uncountable situation. we can see that immigration policy does play a role in this. in crimes and crimes like it. it's absolutely the policy. in nassau county, our policy is we provide assistance. we abide by those in ministry to dictators at the request of i.c.e., and we will hold those people for the a lot of 48 hours in nassau county. you know, that is what we are there for it. obviously, trust is a top concern of the nassau county police department. and every day, we focus on improving that o trust. we won't, you know, ask the immigration status of anyone that ise a victim or a witness o a crime. but these criminals that we really have to do focus on. >> tucker: so there is a pretty large city nearby with 8 million people right nearby you that doesn't have those policies. does that make your life partner? >> i'm not going to speak to the new york city policies. what i willits. tell you is thae have taken an oath of office that we will enforce the laws of this country and that is the rules that we play by in nassau county. >> tucker: if you run of mayor for new york city, call me.

i will send you a donation. >> thank you so much. >> tucker: light of the story you heard and the rape and rocco thate, we're covering all week,t might be -- we join now by new york immigration attorney cyrus made >> thank you for having me on the show. >> tucker: no honest person would describe immigrants -- some of my favorite people are immigrants. no person denies that some people comes to the country for the wrong reasons, and do horrible things when they are here. isn't it lying to pretend all immigrants are more impressive than nativeborn americans which is the claim? >> crime is committed in all societies. >> tucker: yes. >> is committed by a few agreements, but it's also committed by americans. >> tucker: yes. >> when people create crimes, lawan enforcement takes care of it, and the criminal justice system has to deal with it. but to blame all immigrants for the crimes of a few is not

becoming of america as a country of immigrants. we are focusing on a few immigrants who commit crimes and, of course, my heart bleeds for the victims of these crimes. but on the other hand, we've got millions of immigrants that benefit the united states. and we have to focust on that rather than just focusing on -- >> tucker: that's your determination? i guess you are in charge of what we focus on now. here's the point. here's a difference. i agreee with you, as i sit on the outset. i'm not blaming thehe immigrants for the crimes of a few. i'm here saying that if the crime is -- he wouldn't have been here, he shouldn't be here, he should be deported by definition for that's why it's a different level of lustration. do yound understand? >> i do understand what you are saying, but on the other hand, there are a lot of folks undocumented that are trying to get legal status in our immigration system that needs an upgrade. we don't need to be deporting

all undocumented immigrants. some of them have a basis to remain here or they could become legal if they marry a u.s. citizen, or thehe law has chang. to have this mindset of trying to deport all undocumented immigrants because they are likely to commit crimes is, again, unworthy and unbecoming of who we are as americans -- >> tucker: thank you for lecturing on who weuc are, but i don't think that anyone is suggesting deporting all illegal immigrants, even this administration since you been following it. i don't think i get anybody to seek their criminals. like you pretend, as if, all people here from other countries are more virtuous than americans. look at the statistics. this is real. the dea has wanted was for drug fugitives. 83% of them are foreign-born! inle these cities, seattle, new york, philadelphia, dallas, new jersey is, the jurisdiction in new jersey, there are no american-born fugitives on the list. not one! they are all immigrants. >> i'm not sure about your statistics, tucker, but there

are studies that -- that immigrants have left proclivity to commit crimes, and generally that hase been the case by other studies. so, you may be citing a case of studies -- >> tucker: i'm not denying that. i don't know if it's true or not, but it makes sense. i think immigrants want to do their work and be left alone. i agree with that. >> yeah. so focus -- >> tucker: i think we do and celebrate them. but there are also many others whose existence we deny it, for whom you are making excuses for right now who cause an awful lot of trouble. why do we put that up for a second? >> i'm not making excuse -- let me just talk. let the criminal justice system deal with americans who commit crimes. and let's reform our system so we have sensible pathways to legalize here and come here to the united states and its economy. we need to be focusing on. >> tucker: okay.

>> rather the few people who commit crimes. >> tucker: here's something you tweeted february 28th. i don't want to pull it out at random. it's not a gotcha show. it's an interesting point. -- global independence brings jobs and prosperity to all. >> i'm glad i tweeted that, i'm glad you are quoting it today. >> tucker: is it true? all of the mckinsey consultants think that, a lot of people in your world think that. has the american middle class become more prosperous in the last 20 years at a time of record immigration and globalization. has a? do you know? >> tucker. our economy has done better in the last few years because we are interdependent with other countries. >> tucker: it really? >> yes! >> tucker: let me ask you this this. >> the technology, skills -- >> tucker: hold on. i would never deny there are a lot of upsides. >> hold on -- the upsides outweigh the

downsides. >> tucker: no. you said, and i'm quoting you, "brings jobs and prosperity to all." people making under $50,000 in this country, are the better i f now or not? do you know! >> they may have been. but you don't blame immigrants -- there are other forces, and we are in a state of transition and immigration, if we have interdependence and immigration, we will ultimately become more prosperous. >> tucker: okay. a lot of us are waiting for that. and i want to believe what you are saying. >> i'm working to that, too, byi proposing immigration to the united states. i wants to have more googles in the united states. >> tucker: don't we all? >> i'm glad you agree with that. >>rd tucker: yesterday we showed you a series of emails sent by dr. jack r smith. those emails, dr. jack r smith told parents that if they didn't want to illegal immigrants coming to their schools and possibly raping ninth graders, they are racist and he will call the police on them. for his inspired leadership, montgomery connery has given him

quite a contract. smith gets a base pay of two to $75,000 per year,hi which can oy go up every year. unlike the rest of the american economy, it can never go down. it's a nice trick. he gets 40 grand at the positing in a retirement fund each year. that's more than ten times of the median individual income, we just check. dr. jack r smith also gets five weeks paid vacation every year, plus four weeks of sick or personal leave all in which he can cash outut for cash if he doesn't use it. huh? separate all this leave, he gets every school holiday off with pay, there are a lot of them, of course. any technology he requires, presumably a smartphone or computer, that's in thear district's responsibility. so far, dr. jack r. smith has gotten every perk short of a private car. actually, he gets a car for free! you can use it for his personal as well as professional businesa and all expenses are paid by the generous parents of montgomery

county. the question is what do those parents get in return for all of this. they get dangerous schools run by a demagogue who slanders them and threatens to put them in jail if they complain about it! that's the deal! courtesy of montgomery county, maryland. up next, a black panther killed in new jersey state trooper 40 years ago and fleck took cuba, we'll talk to governor chris christie about the folks of bringing her to justice thisec time, at notre dame. we talked to a professor who says he will not be intimidated by them. stay tuned. or get the outlander l, starting at $5,499. visit your local dealer for details. can-am. the ride says it all.

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be trump and administration can bring her back to justice here? new jersey customer, governor chris christie hope so. governor, thinker coming on you been following thisen for many years, so you will know the answer to this. do the obama administration make any effort as normalizing relations with cuba to bring this fugitive back to the united states? >> none that we are aware of, tucker.us i wasn't in obviously on the meetings that was happening in secret between the obama administration and cuba, but this much we know. that in cold blood, she murdered a new jersey state police trooper convicted 40 years ago this week, escapedhe from a new jersey prison, where she was being transferred, and fled to cuba and has been protected by the castro regime, supported by them, and yet we normalize relations with a country that willot not return someone who ws rightfully convicted under our justice system of murdering a

state trooper. it's outrageous and i've been saying it's outrageous since i became governor. >> tucker: it isr: outrageous but what can be done now? >> listen.n. i hope what trump and administration do before we take further steps with the relationship with you but that s they say, listen, first and foremost, return this fugitive from justice back to new jersey so she can rightfully serve the rest of her term for murdering a police officer. everyone says they support what the police do every day. they acknowledge, they put their lives on the line. well, this job and only put his life on the line, he gave his life. his family has lived the last 40 years with the knowledge that his murderer has been livingiv with impunity in an island protected by that government.. it's outrageous. i think, you know, this is somethingst that the secretary f state tellers in and others in trump and administration should make a trump priority in any dealings. >> tucker: youke worked in government for many years. given your experience, do you think it's plausible that

intelligence agencies supervised by the obama white house surveilled donald trump campaign, his staff, communications in trump tower? >> there doesn't seem to be any evidence of that at this time, tucker. i know from having spent seven years as a u.s. attorney that the fi a court in the way that works with surveillance activities, it is very, very difficult to get that type of activity going. you have to go and convince an independent judge, and as a prosecutor, it's our job to provide that information along with the department of justice to do it. i don't see evidence at that point in time. will. continue to listen. but i cann tell you from my experience, that kind of stuff is very difficult to get. >> tucker: kelly and fitzpatrick -- kellyanne conway, this sunday on one of the show said that she believed that at some point, he would be joining the w administration, the trump administration. what jobe would that be? >> i have no idea. > tucker: what do you want? >> [laughs] i'm not going to negotiate with

you, tucker, unless you are an agent for the trump and administration. and i know you aren't, we will have no clue the arbitration negotiations. i wanted to complete my term as governor of new jersey. and it would be something that would have to be very, very unusual to make me leave this job early.ht i asked for eight years, and absent being president myself, which did not work out, i didn't want to leave. will i ever go work there? t i have no idea. this is a president that has been a very good friend, dear friend, of mine and mary packs for the last 15 years. i give him the best advice i can give him. sometimes, we sit and talk about that have nothing to do with government, and we talk about family, sports, other things. we are friends. we've been friends for a long time. i'm always here to help them. will w i work it is a patricianr not, i don't have a crystal ball. youucker: what advice did give him? >> i talked to him a couple nights ago and i won't talk about the advice i gave because

that's the way you give advice to be. resident of the p united states for you do j it quietly and just between the two of view.e i don't talk about the advice i give to my friend the president: >> tucker: governor chris christie, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for reporting the spotlight on the joanne chesimard issue. it's important, all americans should care about. >> tucker: deserves one for sure. earlier thiste month, rioters forced the cancellation of a charles murray speech in vermont. now they are trying to cancel his upcoming appearance at notre dame. up next, we will talk to the professor who invited him about why he's not backing down. [vo] quickbooks introduces jeanette.

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♪ >> tucker: working to ban unpopular >> tucker: working to ban popular speakers is the trendiest thing on campus sets beer pong and solo cups per charles murray try to speak at

middlebury m in vermont, but students got so worked up that they assaulted the professor trying to escort him to a car. that prevents vincent phillip munoz is a professor at t notre dame. he's invited murray to speak at a school nextt week read his complainers were out in force demanding they resend the invitation, but he says he will not. professor, thank you for comingg on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: so simple question. why did you invite him given what happened at middlebury and why won't you back down? >> well, we invited him months ago. and we are reading his book in my class. so he's coming to speak to my class. not going to back down because we are coming apart. we are really coming apart, and bob putnam spoke, "our kids," we have a liberal. we have a conservative there we in spite of bob putnam last year, so we are going to have charles murray this year. >> tucker: what has the reaction been? >> you know, a handful of those

on the left are pretty unhappy. some of my faculty colleagues wanted me to thiss invite him ad were pretty dismayed that we did so in the first place. but i have toav say, i've gotten since the article came out a couple of days ago, i've gotten almost 100% positive response. >> tucker: in the piece, youse write about the rationale for banding campus speakers, and you say that some in college faculties argue that the kids are too sensitive to hear point of view is that they disagree with, it will wound them if they are exposed to these ideas. i'm wondering is that sincere? to the is notbe a way to justify squelching ideas they disagree with? >> i think some think they are protecting the students and i just disagree with them. some tot, be honest are using te students to advanced their own agendas. if there are problems with race or gender or what have you on campus, those professors would

not get more resources directed toward their programs. so they have an incentive to make issues where really there are no issues. market >> tucker: it seems toou me that -- are overcome with emotion at the traditional roles you are playing in a college, which is to expose people to ideas they haven't heard before and to challenge their beliefs. basically, to teach in the spirit of free inquiry and freedom of speech. is that not shared universally on your campus? by professors lex my speaker notre dame is pretty good. no, it's not shared universally. our administration has been great. our senior administration has den great. no pressure from them. but notre dame, no surprise, faculty tend to lean left. yeah. you ask, isn't this what we are supposed to do? this is what we are supposed to do. this is my m job. i bring speakers to campus. i assigned books not because i agree with them, because that is what i do.

we are supposed to argue about them but i'm not just going to a signed book i agree with orchids agree with. we assign those books that are smart. and murray is a a smart guy ande should hear him whether we agree with him or not. >> i have no idea what your political views are. i hope you don't tell me. i hopeon your students don't kn, that's exactly how it should be. in the ten seconds we have left, do you expect a problem. do you expect people to freak out and assault you? >> i hope not. i'm relying on the football players in my class to protect me. we will see. >> tucker: you are an old-fashioned man! i like that. professor munoz, good luck and thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: coming up next, the long-awaited return for king of the day. we ask you what you would do if you were this country's supreme autocrat with absolute power. g if you abuse it, of course, what is the good you do? a lot of answers after the brea break. isn't just business.

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california." sorry, alreadyad happened. that's it for us. thank you for your tweets. tune in every night at nine the news that is the sworn enemy among student groups. have a fantastic weekend. we are back monday. sean is next. >> sean: welcome to "hannity." former speaker of the house newt gingrich, herman cain will join us in a feud minutes. the g.o.p. health care was held before a vote could take place in the house of representatives where there is a lot of anger, frustration in washington, around the country, and tonight, we will examine how we got here and how we can make sure this never happens can bring -- the republican health care bill for the time being hit a dead n end. we told you the reason the republicans are in this position without a vote to repeal and