the very latest from kevin and the white house on what plan b is. >> you're right on the money there, neil. obviously, the white house would like to continue to move forward its agenda. clearly the setback on health care and some would argue, by the way, if you look at the long view, maybe it's not such a setback, but in terms of politicalically, it's a setback and they're trying to move beyond that, talking about jobs, linda mcmahon and the vice-president of course on the way to charge st--

charleston, west virginia to talk about regulatory reform and something the white house has done very, very well. continuing to they'll talk about building more american jobs in terms of infrastructure and unions. they want to get those sort of things done. you'll hear the president talk about that as he makes his way over to the mountain near state. . we're talking about that, very confident that neil gorsuch may be confirmed and it may take the nuclear options and the pretty good will conduct the meetings. and we'll pass it along to you, my friend. as always, i want to go right now to tom delay and you should remember him well. the hammer they used to call him. the former house majority leader. and in keeping with that theme, tom, i'd be curious what and how

would you advise republicans right now. what would you tell them? >> well, first of all, i'd look at the debacle that happened yesterday, it's an opportunity. let's review what went on. i'm not here to point fingers. back in 2010, the american people demanded that they repeal obamacare and four elections later, the people delivered. they didn't demand a replacement. that was something that the politicians put in to cover themselves when the liberal media and the democrats demanded a replacement. and that september -- sent a signal they would fix obamacare. they placed a bill replacing obamacare and left the obamacare and the welfare state of obamacare in place. it couldn't pass in a republican house. but now they're very well set up to go work on the markets and

eliminate the government from the health insurance markets, things like rand paul's group and association bill. across state lines bill. they could work on that kind of stuff, and wait until obamacare completely implodes and the politics becomes so big and the pressure on the democrats so big they can just out and out repeal obamacare, having set up medicaid reform, insurance reform, getting the government out of the business. it's really important to finish this because obamacare is dragging down. >> you may be right, but doesn't look like they're ready to pitch battle on that. they're on the tax cut for now. already the same divisions that were at play on the health care is alive and well when it comes to tax cuts in the party. the coch brothers and others and

concerned about certain ways that we would pay for this. like a border adjustment tax that could raise, apparently a trillion dollars over ten years. they're fighting over that. do you think that they have to swallow that to deal with that, that even if something on paper at least makes the deficit worse, they should just go ahead and do it and hope for the best? >> get rid of the democrats paper. this stuff called revenue neutral is all a democrat design. we all know and history has proved when you cut taxes, revenues increase and growth increases. >> no, no, i hear what you're saying. believe me, i hear what you're saying. but there are those that are arguing. the rob portman's the senator from ohio, you know what? we've got to go dollar for dollar, even if you want to increase the debt ceiling, a dollar in spending cuts for every dollar you raise the debt

ceiling. under a tax cut, they have to be paid for and all of this. i could see this becoming just as divisive an issue among republicans as the health care thing was. >> well, but, neil, you've got to start from the right and move to the center. quit dealing with the rob portmans of the world. write the bill that is the right bill and they're working on the right bill. i don't particularly like this border tax stuff, but they're writing the best-- the house standard. >> don't worry about the 60 votes in the senate. you know, my experience has been-- >> go for a simple majority. reconciliation, whatever you want to call it. >> 216 votes. >> okay. >> 216 votes, you start from the right and move until you get 216 votes and you go to the floor. that's what you do. that's what they didn't do on obamacare, and then you send it to the senate and the pressure, the senate hates pressure. and the pressure builds up on

the senate and i've got it tell you during my experience, the 60 vote excuse is nothing, but an excuse. if the senate doesn't want to do something. if they want to do it they always find a way to do it. >> let's say they get a way to do it. when ronald reagan was pushing stuff through, and he was different circumstances and wider margins and able to press, even with that popularity, it was an uphill battle at times. do you think that donald trump has to be immediately right up from the get-go and say we're going to get these tax cuts. some of you may not like the means which which we get them or they're revenue neutral or any of this stuff, but we've going to get that, hook or crook, hell or high water, we're going to do them because if we don't, we're finished. >> i would hope that he would do that, but i've got to tell you, after i watched what went on with obamacare, i'm not sure he's-- he understands the process and understands the philosophy and

understands the foundation to actually write a bill. what he needs to do is do the right thing for the american people, and do it bold, and he needs to lead. he doesn't need to turn it all over to congress. however, congress needs to assert itself and do the right thing, too, and forget this revenue neutral stuff and all of this other stuff, we need a tax code that is pro business, that is-- that's flat a tax as we can get, and cuts taxes on the american people, and american businesses. and we don't need to be pussy footing around with it. we need to write the code that needs to be written. >> big tax cuts not around the margins tax cuts you're saying. >> no, big tax cuts and doing that, cutting the size of government. i've talked about this in my book. we've got to get back to a constitutional republic. our problem is the fact that we

have have shredded the constitution and we've got this bloated federal government and cutting taxes is one way of getting the government down to a constitutional level. >> all right, tom delay, very good seeing you. thank you, very, very much. there are a lot of divisions within that and we'll explore that later on and the fallout how the markets will adjust. in the meantime i want to take you to providence, rhode island again, i don't know if they're doing it for the gipper or a message you're okay with us, but make america great rally on. this was planned prior to this health care debacle and a lot of these folks don't seem to care that it fell apart and some are relieved that it did, but they think that the agenda is fine, the tax cut thing is fine, talk is some is of the other things the president wants to do, fine. and they're fine after this.

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>> all right, we've got our first donald trump tweets coming in to us here. i don't know whether i should be offended by this or not, but he's tweeting out, watch judge janine on fox news tonight at 9 p.m. that's fine, i love the judge, too. he's not referring to the fact that i'm on live right now. that's okay, it's okay. [laughter] >> he goes on to say, obamacare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great health care plan for the people, do not worry. i'm still looking for me, no reference to me at all. >> ps, about cavuto? >> unbelievable. >> david and jessica here. all kidding aside, let me get your sense on what he's kind of saying, i'm moving on from health care? >> well, he's going to what you and i have been talking about for long time. he should have started with tax. >> much more broad. >> what we've learned is paul

ryan said you can't do taxes first because of the procedural parliamentary gobbledygook stuff. >> they wanted a trillion dollars in saving to pay for taxes? >> the fact at that that we can do it and that paul ryan admits we should be doing it now, what he's saying before is wrong, i'm putting it politely. we should have started with it and could have started with it and let's go with it. >> an agreement on that. >> and it's what got him elected. republicans have been running on repeal and replace for three elections. what was different about donald trump, he's a business man, knows how to work with the tax code and knows how to get around certain loop hopes. >> didn't he mess things up himself in the beginning saying repeal and replace. they were ready to go with repeal and the difference with that, because they've done this dozens of times under barack obama and he would sign that. >> and where would he go?

republicans came up with seven variations of plans that never worked and couldn't get broad support and the idea was, how could you tell the american people i'm going to repeal this without a replacement plan. >> well, he didn't want a replacement plan. >> the bumper sticker promise was three words, drain the swamp. instead of listening to the people. no one was calling into their congressman saying, hey, let's pass the ryan plan. a lot of people were calling in saying, don't, don't go with this. whether they're democrats or conservative republicans or whatever. but this was a bill that was made, excuse me, but in the swamps by the establishment, whether they were the republican establishment, whatever. so, now he is feeling, i think, a little more comfortable, because he's again, going outside the establishment. >> he doesn't want to get burned again on the tax cut thing. >> doesn't want to get burned, but he'll do it outside the swamp. >> here is what i wonder about it, and you're worried about it, too, you're worried about our country's future. >> every day, neil.

>> every day. the republicans are simply divide on those who want to pay for this and others who say you don't have to go crazy paying for this one. i think the same divisions are alive and well in the republican party, aren't they? >> absolutely, i think the republican party-- democrats have their issues for sure and we've been talking about that for months and finally a new dnc chair and smart to make keith ellison the deputy and merge the bernie and hillary factions, but the republican showcase that-- what are you talking about, they couldn't get the health care plan done. >> kennedy made a great point. everybody, even jessica wants a tax cut. >> no, jessica wants to pay more. >> already, we're hearing from rob portman and others and not casting apersians on in anybody here, we've got to make them revenue neutral and others don't get the border tax ago. and does president trump say stuff this, we're going to do this. >> for higher taxes or lower taxes, it's that simple. every american wants a lower

tax. >> and pay for upfront or not, just do it. >> just do it. >> get it done because you know history, you were talking about the kennedys earlier. john f. kennedy, democrat, understood if you lower tax rates, your revenues will increase. you don't have to worry as much about the debt if the economy is going at full speed. >> don't get caught up in the weeds. >> there are a lot of people like rand pauls of world and ben of the world who are prominent voices not in the never trump world, but we're going to hold their feet to the fire that don't buy into that. >> you're wrong. i know rand paul better than you. >> i think he likes me fine. >> he believes if you cut taxes and more revenue. >> you're saying let's let bygones with bygones, and donald trump will have a come to jesus meeting, and we'll have tax cuts. >> that's it. >> i think he will try to do that and i do not know rand paul personally, i'm sure you do know him better than me. >> i do. >> i've seen him in many times.

>> he doesn't buy into the cbo stuff. you don't have to balance everything. you're not a pencil guy or an entrepreneur-- ments he hear him every day, 20 trillion in debt, 20 trillion in debt. >> if the economy is stronger, that solves a lot of problem. the problem is slow growth, nothing else. >> by the way, you as a democrat you're not saying suddenly you're worried about our debt, are you. >> i worry about it every day now. >> it's your generation. >> millennials, spend it, we'll be fine. >> out of here and, guys, a lot more coming up. including we'll keep on the rally going on, it's interesting. they're supporting donald trump here and saying this was planned long before the whole health care thing imploded and they're saying, you know, his agenda is fine. he's going to make america great and everyone should just take a chill pill. i added the chill pill, but it's happening in providence, rhode island after this. it's like i'm in the office with you, even though i'm here. it's almost like the virtual reality

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>> all right. this is a hollywood response to donald trump and the failure of republicans yesterday to get health care figured out and the debacle. bette midler with a glove raised middle finger, think classy, hollywood, which brings me to joe'spist -- joe piscopo,if it's there and they hand it to you on a silver platter, you've got to go for it, got to go for it. neil: but obviously, hollywood loving it because it shows the guy-- >> it's cyclical, and we had fun when president obama was in it and-- >> hollywood was in love with president obama. >> i know, but rosie perez said it best.

she said no time to gloat, time to thank our officials and time to just fix it. that's exactly what it's got to be. i'm so tired of the rancor and hate on both sides, man. let's just-- >> but you read the headlines and next governor of new jersey, you have to read this stuff. kidding. please, they are loving, you know, trump and republicans imploding, right. >> talking about the governor of new jersey and saying things and having fun with it and being thick-skinned, i said something the governor of new jersey took issue with it and there was a traffic jam outside of my house. orange cones was happening. everybody's got to relax. neil: he hates you. >> i'm telling you, i think so. it's okay you've got to be thick-skinned and have fun with it. it's warranted what hollywood is doing. if they're going to take shots, it's part of the game. neil: in the meantime, the rallies, providence is a kickoff, and a planned rally that was happening even before

this whole health care thing fell apart and these people are supporting the trump agenda, making america great again and still think that he's 65 days in and way too early to sort of say he's finished. >> i agree with that and i think he's a step ahead of everybody else. david asman has a nice idea, he wants to draining the swamp and maybe he's a step ahead. don't underestimate it. neil: he wanted this to happen? i love you, i love david, that's crazy. >> i've been hearing this on the radio, mr. cavuto, you've come on the show and the audience knows, i said the republicans if they're going to say repeal and replace, they better have a plan. i've been saying it for years. neil: the irony being, you know, president trump was the one that said early on we just can't repeal this we've got to replace that and some are coming back and telling this is the president's fault. >> no, no. neil: a repeal, he would have

signed that. >> am i wrong because i know donald trump all of those years and i do feel he's a step ahead. neil: you do name drop a lot. >> and i say cavuto, they say are you running for office? blame neil, if it works, give him credit and if not blame him. neil: you think it's obviously to soon to start-- >> oh, absolutely, give him a chance. give everybody a chance, but, and i think, and help me out, neil, you know best, that it wasn't the president that looked so bad, it was paul ryan that really looked bad and the-- >> they all looked bad, you know, there's always a chance. my-- you and i the last time we chatted go with taxes first. and there's division how to go about that, but much fewer distractions than with health care. >> you think i'm going hook, line and sinker with the president, no, no. neil: you're for whatever works. >> did i get invited to the

inauguration. who sang "my way", ♪ and now ♪ >> you're going to run for governor? you are quite serious of running for governor of new jersey. >> we're serious about it and know probably within the month and i feel a responsibility. who wants this job in i mean, really, who wants the job? it's an impossible situation. neil: run as an independent, a democrat. >> i think as independent because republicans, people are fed up with both parties the republicans and the democrats and you'd be somebody who could mediate and like a henry kissinger. neil: and you would be funny. >> no, i would try to have fun with it indeed. if i go up the middle i'm not em boldened to anybody and comedians are smart, i'm to make a point. i was going to say i'm there for the people of new jersey, thank you, i just wanted to-- >> that's horrible. right there.

>> it's a sound bite. [laughter] >> thank you very much, my friend. who knows? he's got a great deal of buzz. we knew him when he was just funny, funny. we have a lot more, eric bolling will be here and i'll chat with mark cuban. and i was catching up with fox and friends, this idea, cuban notwithstanding, that the best thing this point was failing on this health care initiative. that it would have been a problem had it passed. he's next. at fidelity, trades are now just $4.95. we cut the price of trades to give investors even more value. and at $4.95, you can trade with a clear advantage. fidelity, where smarter investors will always be.

>> all right. well, hillary clinton delighted with what happened to republicans yesterday. the health care failure. a victory for anyone who believes affordable health care is a human right. that has a point that a number of democrats have raised who are really big liberals, no less than mark cuban telling--