tomorrow. s thank you for watching us tonight. i am bill o'reilly, please remember the spin stops here. because we are definitely looking out for you. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." jeff sessions announced today that cities opposing immigration raids can expect a different kind of raid on their finances. in a press conference, sessions said sanctuary cities will lose millions of dollars in funding. >> they know that when cities and states refused to help enforce immigration laws, our>> nation is less safe. failure to deport aliens who are convicted of criminal offenses puts whole communities at risk. >> tucker: by happy coincidence, it was also the start of the first ever sanctuary cities conference.

politicians from around the country converged in new york, we will talk to one of those conference speakers in just a minute. but first, here is rick leventhal who was inside the sanctuary city conference.te hey, rick. >> they say there is no such thing as a coincidence that we are not sure why the ag chose today to speak out about sanctuary cities. at this first ever national conference, supporting sanctuary cities is well underway but that is exactly what happened. politicians and activists very, very opposed to the trump administration immigration policy -- they say their goal is to support undocumented immigrants and find illegal avenues about not sharings information with the feds. >> january 20th was a tragic, tragic day for our nation. but january 21st was far more important. we look forward to write our

nation's history with you. >> who we are, what we stand for. because we have had an administration that is such a threat. we've seen a tremendous of swelling public resistance. >> she said the president and attorney general have no right to withhold funds for places that fail to comply with the law. >> new york city is the safest city in this country. and so, if the president wants to put that at risk to make a point -- a dwindling base of support, he is being extremely irresponsible.li >> this conference continues tomorrow morning. one of the panel discussions is tied to reducing the risk of deportation. >> tucker: rick leventhal in d new york. cristobal alex, the president of the latino victory fund which

aims to expand latino voter turnout, he attended the conference and thank you for coming on. it's quite a conference according to some of thehe remarks. the head of the new york city council said that enforcing our immigration laws -- american immigration laws was ethnic cleansing. do you agree with that? >> i'm grateful to be here. the idea behind the conference was to bring together local officials from around the country to develop policies that will strengthen cities and protect immigrants. a champion for progressive values and immigrants, the point she was trying to make is that sanctuary cities are actually much safer here and jeff sessions and this department ist trying to do is pass check draconian laws.

>> tucker: there is no social science to support this position on that that a sanctuary city is safer. there've been been studies that show it. >> i can talk about it right now. the university of california study basically looked at sanctuary cities across the country and set there is 35.5 fewer crimes per 10,000 and sanctuary cities than nonsanctuary cities. it's even better in smaller municipalities and sanctuary cities have stronger economies, lower poverty rates -- >> tucker: that's not causation. there is no established connection between those two. it's merely speculative. it hasn't been proven. let's get back to what you said --ve >> look at your city for example.

>> tucker: there is no evidence that one causes the other so let's not waste our time. by the way, this is an interesting conversation. i don't understand why it has to be a racial conversation. if you disagree with someone on immigration policy that person r needs to be a racist. or committing ethnic cleansing. the head of the new york city council made that claim today. you do not speak for her but what do you think of that? >> i really respect the head of the new york city council. she is the first hispanic to r ever hold that position. i look forward to seeing what she does next in her career. the point that the conference is trying to get across is that sanctuary cities are ultimately not going to resolve the problem that we've got here. you and i can both agree that -- >> tucker: come on. come on. do me the favor of addressing what she actually said. do you think -- why does it always take a turn into racial demagoguery?

come on now. >> i am not going to speak for the speaker, but what i will say is this. sanctuary cities are safer but ultimately the reason why we are having this debate today is because of what happened on friday, on friday you had president trump and republican congress have the most colossal failure that we have seen to pass a major milestone legislative peace. that is trump care. they cannot pass it after seven years of complaining. >> tucker: i got it. i watched. >> to attack the vulnerableot again, immigrants. >> tucker: spare me the political analysis. whatever you think of these politicians, he has been talking about it since the first day.er you can't say this is something he just came up with yesterday in order to divert attention from the general -- here is my question. what are the effects on people already in this country? for a fact that when you flood

the zone or a labor market withh lower wage labor, that's called supply and demand. what do you say to people? >> i think that creates a new question which ultimately we have to answer together. is the country a better place when you have immigration? i would argue that it is. maybe you would argue that it isn't. >> tucker: i am hoping you will give me a straight answer.s. you agree in supply and demand, i assume. people are willing to work for less, what does it do for wages for people who are already there?li there is no denying there is a w connection. what do you think of that? >> i disagree with you. the most comprehensive study to date, that there -- cities that are sanctuary cities, those rates are actually higher. i will share that with your staff. let me just put it this way. >> tucker: this is insulting.

new york city is a rich city because america'ss finances are headquartered there. you can point to chicago,, same thing. it had nothing to do with the immigrant labor there which depresses wages for everybody. >> you mentioned you used to live in new york city. here's the thing. we have seen it on the subways, there is a campaign. see something, say something. what these policies are designed defined intake money away from local police to the incentive see something, say something. you see something and don't say anything because immigrants will be afraid to go to law enforcement. this is the height of hypocrisy. >> tucker: i've heard your theory. >> you lose resources from local enforcement. >> tucker: obey our laws or don't take our money.

that seems like a pretty reasonable argument. if you live at your parentsdo house and they say there is a curfew at 11:00, you shouldn't be surprised when you come home at midnight and they say get a new apartment. we have 11 million people living here illegally. how many should we have? >> this is the first time i can think of where conservatives around the country who have fought for state rights and thought -- all of thatug applies except for when it comes to immigration. >> tucker: i'm not talking about conservatives. i am asking a question. what is a good number? we have about 11 million people here illegally. no other country has that. what is a good number for us? at what point should we say that is too many? >> here's what i will say. sanctuary cities are not the ultimate fix for this broken immigration system. even though this congress cannot get it done, they can't pass f

trump care at the end of the day -- you're going to have to pass this system. >> tucker: you are not a policymaker, you are a policy advocate pushing for a certain set of positions based on your beliefs. my question as an american citizen is how many illegals in this country is to money? have you given any thought at all? what should be a good number for us? what is your view of that? >> this is a country built on immigrants.s >> tucker: built on illegal immigrants? >> because of immigration. yes, instead of building walls we should be building bridges. fixing our immigration system. >> tucker: i'm getting frustrated because you always fall back on these bumperr stickers. if you ever advocate for illegal aliens -- how many should we have? t do you work through what you believe or you always go back to we are built on a nation of immigrants and we should build

bridges, not walls? >> you are completely entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. the facts say that sanctuary cities do better for the economy. >> tucker: i will ask you one last time. do you think 11 million illegals is a lot? why doesn't any other country have that many? >> the immigration system is broken. we need to welcome immigrants into this country and that is what makes us strong. >> tucker: thank you for joining us. up next, we reported heavily on the rape case in maryland. now congress is getting involved. why was an 18-year-old placed in ninth grade in the first place? a british journalist was here last week and what she said made

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>> tucker: during his remarks today, jeff sessions warned that if maryland insists a become becoming a sanctuary city, crimes like the horrifying alleged rape we saw in rockville, maryland will happen again and again. l >> to make the state a sanctuary state -- the governor's opposed to that. that'll be such a mistake. i would plead with the people of

maryland, this makes the state of maryland more at risk forta violence and crime. it is not good policy. >> tucker: chairman of the house judiciary committee, not a small job. his committee is trying to find out why the two rockville rape suspects were able to be here. no offense to you but it seems like the government heavily implicated in the story. both of these guys are in government custody, one at least four times. >> it is an absolute failure of the u.s. government. the failure of the obamas administration and i love hearing jeff sessions saying respect for the rule of law and abiding by the rule of law and keeping people safe.e. this is a totally preventable crime that occurred in maryland and it happens all over the country and it happens very

frequently. and it is the result of sending the message -- not just here in this country but in central america and elsewhere in the world -- if you come to our border, we will release you into the interior of the country.n that's now changing with this new administration. it's very exciting, we have seeu a steady decline -- 40% decline of border apprehension to 60% decline in march. if they keep enforcing the law and keep sending people home where they belong,ng particulary these unaccompanied minors -- we should make sure they are safely returned home as rapidly as possible. that certainly is not what was done. >> tucker: they wound up 2,000 miles from where they were. one is being treated as a minor because he says he is 17.. how exactly do we know that? >> they often do not know because they show up at our border without any kind of documentation. in most instances. they are then processed and released into the interior of the country.

one of these two young people were held for a few weeks and released, the other was released in a few days. they were actually delivered by our government.s. one to a father and one to an uncle. i understand the father has now been arrested by i.c.e. or by a local sheriff in maryland. and it will be turned over to i.c.e. to be deported out of the country because the child was turned over to a father who was unlawfully present in the united states. >> tucker: it doesn't seem like anybody cares.r: all the focus in the press and on the other side of the aisle seems to be on the victims of the enforcement of immigration laws but somehow it is bad manners to mention the americans hurt by the consequences of this. why is that? >> i don't think it's true that nobody cares about this. i think a lot of people care about it and that's one of the main reasons why donald trump is president of the united states. >> tucker: the press does not care. it's considered bad form or youd are a nativist if you pointed

out. >> i've had some reporters from the rockville area covering the story, show some real concern about the consequences of this case. i think it brings it home. >> tucker: good for them. >> that this kind of thing can happen if you do not enforce our immigration laws. >> tucker: can the feds really shut off the financial tapo to cities? >> absolutely. i'm sure some of these cities will fight it every step of the way, we are headed back to court no doubt but the law is very clear that you are required to cooperate and even the last attorney general acknowledged to our chairman of our appropriations subcommittee in regards to the funds that those funds could and should be cut off if cities did not cooperate. >> tucker: we will see. thank you, mr. chairman. the more you know about that awful rape case in rockville, the worse it gets.

superintendent dr. jack r. smith threatened to call the police on parents who dared complain about the enormous illegal alien population in their school district. the employment contract which grants him a huge salary and benefits -- but there is more. it turns out the alleged rape is not rockville's first major incident this year. according to local attorney, a 17-year-old girl at a rockville high school was jumped, beaten, and kicked in the head multiple times by an assailant she said she had never even seen before. the assault left significant injuries and students recorded the attack without trying to help in any way. until recently, the school was considered safe. the most shocking part -- rockville parents were not informed of any of it nor were the police. the school contacted only the

girl's parents who had a call the cops themselves. this attack, by the way, came one day after another fight at the school which parents also were kept in the dark about. too bad the assailants did not criticize illegal immigration or say something politically incorrect -- that would have gotten the attention of dr. jack r. smith. the attorney of the family which is mentioned will be on the show tomorrow with more details. stay tuned for that. up next, a democratic congressman says he has secret proof that donald trump colluded with russia. but no, you cannot see it yet because you have to have it leaked to a journalist. that congressman will join us next. yet because you have to have it leaked to a

>> we are also investigating leaks as it relates to russia. as you know, just recently i had found out that there was additional information that came forward to me that had nothing to do with russia but has everything to do with whether or not americans were masked properly or unmasked. >> tucker: the trump-russia story exists in three different realities. that was devin nunes on o'reilly a little bit ago. he seen strong evidence that he has spied upon by the obama administration but none of the trim campaign included with the russian government. meanwhile, democratic congressman has seen evidence.

journalists will publish it in the near future. the rest of us are stuck in a third reality, with no proof for either claim. congressman mark pocan. the concern here i think on thee left and on the right -- myo concern -- is that all of this stuff undermines people's faith in a system that is built on faith essentially. given that, does it really help to say -- for either side. republicans too. i have documents that i can't tell you about. why can't we all be quiet until evidence emerges? >> two-thirds of the government want to resolve this so we can move on with things but the problem is, he's got the classified document by 17 intelligence agencies that i

read and reread parts of it, the separate dossier by some british person although some of thoseig things have been proven to be true and then you have some work that journalists are doing, what they had around the attorney general, some contacts during the campaign. if you are right, there is a's t of information out there right now but that is why it is everyone's best interest to have a separate commission from congress and then we can move on. >> tucker: the nsa, has all the data on everything. they tapped into the trump lines, every phone call -- maybe some of our thoughts are being recorded and stored by the nsa.. they know exactly to which degree the russians interfered. why doesn't the intel committee say, produce documents now. now. >> wouldn't work perfectly that way especially on the house side the head and intel committee stumble through this process and

the fact that last week, he's getting documents on white house grounds and announcing and giving to the white house the next day. he has put himself in a point where he's going to have to recuse himself from all this which is why an independent commission which is exactly what the american public wants makes the moste sense. it's in the best interest for the trump administration. if there's nothing to be had out there, let's have that independent commission come in. >> tucker: look. i've had congressman schiff from burbank come on the show. i asked pretty normal questions on the show and he called me an agent of the kremlin. why are we pretending we are surprised that devin nunes is a democrat and congressman schif -- as a republican -- and why don't we wait until it is actually produced? >> that is exactly why you want an independent commission to come in and look at it without having the partisanship. i think the american public, you rarely see 66% say they want to do something like this because there is so much information.h

i can tell you from what i've read, anyone who read thee classified report including john mccain and plenty of others -- your natural reaction should not be let's lift sanctions. that's exactly what the trump administration did. that was before we found out all the connections between campaign people, administration officials. >> tucker: he said that in every speech, he said look, we can make common -- >> i wish you would join me. i would ask for that classified report to be declassified. you can take away where our orsources came from. and show all that informationso i've seen because let the american people make the independent have an commission. >> tucker: but i don't think i need to be in the intel community to be convinced. how did the russians alter the outcome of that election? why did hillary win by almost 4 million votes? if that in fact was in operation?

>> the intelligence community has said that the russian government led by putin specifically interfered with the election, they wanted donald trump to win and a lot of the details -- some of the stuff that will come out and is coming out -- you've got to admit,, you look at this -- >> tucker: that's all i want. look, foreign governments try to interfere with american processes all the time. you know exactly what i'm talking about. they are everywhere. >> but not like how russia has right now.ca >> tucker: how did russian activity move a single vote? you don't need to havesi declassified documents. >> i went on the floor of congress and said let's declassify that report. again, if we can protect the sources which i think is the main concern -- let the american people see everything and make the decision.

>> tucker: i get all that. >> they have come in and done through multiple ways trying to influence the election. >> tucker: but how did they have any effect? you don't have to have any classified information revealed -- >> i wish you could read the classified report because i think if they saw that and the new information that journalists are coming out -- like jeff sessions who lied to congress, saying that he never met with any russian officials and oh, maybe two or three times -- >> tucker: the meeting that was set up by the obama administration? >> when multiple people --he >> tucker: it's so dumb. [laughs] >> when director comey said the trump administration has been under investigation for collusion, that mean something. i wish we would have known that before the election. >> tucker: whatever. that's a whole different conversation. we need an independent commission because we need to

save federal elections. there is no evidence in the public view that shows a single vote changed by russia. there's a ton of evidence that votes had been changed and affected because we do not have voter i.d. laws and a lot of states. if you really care -- >> i really disagree with you there. my statement based on the numbers, you are more likely to get struck by lightning then commit voter fraud. the reality is -- >> tucker: in the city of detroit, one-third more votess were cast then there were registered voters. >> that happens on a regularre basis because you have new voters and people who move -- >> tucker: we don't know. we also don't know why a certaio number of dead people vote to this day in states across the country. why don't we have voter i.d. laws?s >> i don't know if that would

change russia interfering with our election. let's have the independent commission come in and see if w russia indeed had voters coming in. i don't think they're going to find that but if that's your idea -- >> tucker: i don't think it was millions of them. there were certainly a lot of them. you don't care, why don't you say shut that down? >> if two-thirds the american public and an independent commission -- >> tucker: okay, we are back to the commission again. >> you want to change the subject to voter i.d. how can you allow another government to interfere with your elections? >> tucker: not one person has provided one piece of evidence.o not one. i'm here every night, 9:00-10:00 eastern. [laughs]

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>> people are afraid. and people are >> people are afraid. and people are not united, great britain is more disunited. it is absolutely divided. more than any time in its past. >> tucker: that was dailymail.com global columnist katie hopkins talking about the london terror attack last week in response, londoners just about lost their minds. one called hopkins a gargoyle. piers morgan called her a doom monger. she was even called a nazi sympathizer by j.k. rowling.

she tweeted... which makes are both very old and also -- is it katie intimidated by all this? she joins us now to tell us. thank you for coming on. apparently the column you wrote and the conversation we had were reported as hate crimes in great britain.n >> yes. that is absolutely correct. the column i wrote which was really quite heartfelt about walking through the city after the attacks, feeling ourselves being pushed under by terrorists, it was kind of a soft, thoughtful piece. that has been reported repeatedly as a hate crimeth against this country and londoners have completely lost their minds about me speaking out, about me failing to stick to the sheet we have been issued

because i do not say we stand united, because i will not say we are not cowed. because i'm not speaking out about the fact that i believe this was all about islamic terror and it sits the muslim community. london has absolutely lost it. >> tucker: what happened to your island which gave the world freedom of speech and was them embodiment of pluck and of vigor and toughness and self-sufficiency? now you are being called a hate criminal. twitter is trying to censor you. what happened exactly? >> that is nothing new for me, these liberals will come at you anyway they can. they report me to social services about my children. they reported me to the major crime and homicide -- i've been labeled a caution. i don't mind. j.k. rowling writes for children and she writes about a fantasyan

land. now she wants to believe a fantasy land when we are all getting on well together and itt is a brilliant, marvelous place. it's no problem that someone mows down people who are walking across the bridge. we will leave that up to j.k. rowling.g. look, katie, we survived the blitz. this is nothing. well, in the blitz, we were fighting for something. we were defending our great country.as as far as i see it, london which is really obama on steroids -- londoners are accomplices and wanting this country to fail. that is why you will see on wednesday when we finally kick start process of leaving the european union, the rest of the u.k. which is essentially trump town where i belong, we are leaving the e.u. we will stand defiant and will stand up for great britain. london, obama on steroids, completely different place. lost to the liberals who want to deny this attack had anything to do with islam at all. and have come out on the other

side saying we must stand up and defend the muslim community. >> tucker: that is the difference between what's happening now and the blitz. great britain was attacked from another country, not from within. what's been the response from the british government to this? >> it has been incredible, actually. to see this kind of diversion tactics that are being used. basic questions, difficult questions that we need answered -- they're in my column up online right now, difficult questions like what happened in prison to turn him from adrian into khalid? he said he he was teaching english. okay. why is it that the police are determined he was a lone attacker when in fact he came back from saudi and went to live with an extremist community, living amongst the group that is

now banned for being extreme in their nature? why is it that he was on the periphery of mi5 intelligence but is not even on the list of 3,000 very dangerous criminals, homegrown terrorists waiting to attack within weeks? i suppose the most difficult question of all is if khalid masood is not on that list of 3,000 terrorists, how many other are out there in this country -- that londoners don't want to admit about? >> tucker: too much privacy in our texting. >> of course. they want to talk about what's app and did he send a message just before he decided to go over the bridge? did he need a lesson -- anything, diversion tactics. they are running around like ants in the sun under a magnifying glass. they are trying to stop people like me asking the difficult questions. how many more khalid masood's are out there and how many more

times are we going to get stood on like a bunch of ants? you know what they do when they get stood on, they carry on as usual and wait for the next foot to fall. >> tucker: give me your one response to j.k. rowling. >> keep writing your fantasy books -- if you think england is united, that is a fantasy as well. and if you love migrants as much as you say, why don't you spend some of your millions housing those migrants? >> tucker: [laughs] it's great to see you, as always. >> thank you very much, tucker. >> tucker: united airlines is scrambling to cover itself after it banned two girls from a flight after wearing inappropriate attire. sexism or policy? a panel will discuss. a panel to what powers the digital world? communication. like centurylink's broadband network that gives 35,000 fans a cutting edge game experience.

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>> tucker: united airlines taking flak after a gate agent barred to go from >> tucker: united airlines taking flak after a gate agent barred to go from wearing leggings that she deemed inappropriate. the airline said the girls were flying for free because their relative's was an employee. that did not stop the ridicule online. chrissy teigen tweeted this... tammy bruce is a radio show host. also joining us tonight, caroline heldman, first to you. what i find hilarious about this story i have to say is that it was a female gate agent who told these girls what they could wear. it was not sexism at work, it was, as it always is -- a woman -- i don't think there's a man in america who would complain

about leggings. how is this sexism? >> i think you are perpetuating a myth that women can't be sexist. of course we can. it really only applies to girls and women. sexualizing girls in their early teens, which is ridiculous. i think it's a myth to think women cannot enforce sexism. e if they didn't, it would probably have a better chance of disappearing. >> tucker: yeah, well you should tell them that.t. tammy, i like leggings. i would never be involved in this personally. these were not conventional passengers. they were relatives of i employees, the principal question is -- do companies have a right to enforce a dress code? >> i think we all do. we have standards for our own home. i think i am in opposition here -- about who they allow in their home and even lets say you are at home and working, you can t

have lunch in your pajamas but if you are invited to lunch at your boss' house, you would not wear your pajamas. we have standards at various levels. let me just say, leggings -- it's not even about them.as leggings are effectively -- i did not interrupt you, just an minute. leggings are glorified long underwear. this is what i think most americans see. they were guests of the airline with free tickets. there is a standard that is to be had. shorts were allowed, you could wear shorts, it's not about how you look. it's about dressing to aou standard of being appropriate. feminism of which i am a feminist and certainly push that card, it's about getting the power that we are owed in our lives and living our lives with dignity. i it is about using the power we have through the nature of being able to influence, being able to wield that power. we don't do it by living our lives and stretch pants. >> tucker: caroline, i have tot wear a tie on tv.

i would much rather wear a t-shirt. is that sexism? women don't have to wear ties and coats. >> what we are talking about --- social norms versus corporate policies. tammy bruce, you are stuck in the 1980s if you think there's something wrong with stretch pants. i wear them every single time i fly. i hope to one day aspire to your 1950s standard of dress but i find it appalling and reprehensible that we have grown adults telling 10-11-12-year-old girls what they should be doing with their bodies. this is how we shame women about their bodies. t >> tucker: well. caroline. i'm going to hold you to some standard of logic here. you can't tell a 10-11-year-old girl what to wear? when do they get to control their own bodies anyway?

>> i did not make that argument. do not set up a strawman. i said the corporate policies should not be established -- and adults should not be enforcing that on the children of strangers. do i think parents should have standards? of course. i don't know many men who are wearing stretch pants, it's harv -- it makes women ashamed of their bodies. >> tucker: sexism -- is anything sexism? >> who is saying everything is sexism? are we not making a logical argument here? s we are talking about a dress code enforced by a corporation. >> when you are setting up children and sending a message -- parents matter, it exhibits some level of respect. children who are taught to have respect for their environmentat and themselves are going to have a much easier time at being able

to influence their environment than children who are taughtie that there are no standards. when you are a guest in someone else's home, that is also where there standards matter. if you're going to accept a free ticket on united or any other airline, you should care about what those standards are. basic common sense. basic behavior when it comes to a civilized society. >> tucker: thanks to you both.c up next, do you think racism is dead in america? well, it's not. the school that is losing money simply because its students have the wrong skin color. it's happening. stay tuned. wrong skin color. it's happening. stay tuned. various: (shouting) heigh! ho! ( ♪ ) it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs.

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>> tucker: we have a shocking story for you tonight out of south carolina, a jim crow law still enforced today.ke a rural high school is having

its funding cap he had andla has too many black students. oh wait, just kidding, that would be totally immoral and of course against the law. nobody would stand for that butl the truth is just as bad. it's happening in los angeles. a school district is cutting funding to a school for having too many white kids. thanks to a court order from the 1970s, a bonus funding for any school that is at least 70% nonwhite -- a middle school in north hollywood recently added some white kids, topping the threshold. now it's losing a bunch of money. several students will lose teachers, the school losing its librarian and full-time nurse. that's not racist of course, it's only hurting white kids. and no one said anything about it. weird. that's it for us tonight. tune in every night at 9:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. whatever you do, stay tuned for "hannity." he is up next. have a great night. see you tomorrow.

>> sean: welcome to "hannity," a lot to get to tonight. we'll be joined by guests but over the weekend, cbs veteran journalist ted koppel said i, yours truly, sean hannity and bad for america. that's a pretty severe charge and one that deserves a response. and that is tonight's opening monologue. this all started three weeks ago when i agreed to do an interview with cbs "sunday morning" ande their special contributor ted koppel. the interview lasted well overni 45 minutes and we discussed in great detail why they're such a great divide in america and politics and the media.