>> jenna: see you back here in an hour. "outnumbered" starts now. >> sandra: this is outnumbered. i'm sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner, meghan mccain, melissa francis, and today's #oneluckyguy, we are so lucky to have them back with us, the host of "the o'reilly factor," mr. bill o'reilly is here. by the way, bill's new bucket, "old school: life in the sane" is out in stores today. it's already a best seller on amazon. we congratulate you and we remind you you are outnumbered. >> bill: i know and i'm outnumbered and i'm very frightened. the >> harris: we love having

you. >> bill: i hope you'll be very gentle. >> sandra: we'll see what that means. the call growing warehouse intelligence chairman devin nunes to either recuse himself from probes into russia's meddling in the election and possible ties to the trauma campaign and the kremlin or step down and entirely. this after the congressman revealing he visited the white house grounds the day after before announcing incidental surveillance of the trump team. he says his source provided intelligence that the spy agencies have may inadvertently captured president trump and his associates during routine visits with foreigners. paul ryan giving an emphatic no when asked if chairman nunes should recuse himself. that won't be enough for adam schiff who is calling for nunes to step aside. >> much like the attorney

general to recuse himself, it would be wise for the chairman to do the same thing. it would enhance the public's trust that we are doing our investigation credibly and in a nonpartisan way. >> sandra: wait for it, the leader of the senate democrats, chuck schumer, haven't heard from him lately, joking, wants more than just a recusal. >> if the speaker ryan wants the house to have a credible investigation, he needs to replace chairman nunes. he seems to be more of a partisan for the president and an impartial actor. he has not been cooperating like someone who is interested in getting to the unvarnished truth. >> sandra: chairman nunes firing back on "the o'reilly factor" last nigh night. >> i'm sure the democrats do want me to step aside because they know that i'm effective at getting to the bottom. there was no sneaking around, i walked onto the ground, said hi

to people. did not go to the west wing, did not talk to the president. when i did talk to him, had nothing to do with russia. >> sandra: me time, as reporters were hounding him on capitol hill this morning, chairman nunes asked if he would recuse himself, replying "why should i?" dominic >> bill: this is so dumb. you only recuse yourself if you're investigating and you are in charge. this is a whole committee. if adam schiff doesn't like what nunes is doing, he can do whatever he wants, shift. nunes can't stop him. he can say whatever he wants, asking questions, call witnesses. nunes is in charge, he hasn't some authority during the hearings, but he can't shut them down. it's a big committee with republicans and democrats. recuse? for what reason?

it is true that nunes was involved with the trauma campaign in the transition phas phase. the democrats won't like that and they'll say he's a friend of donald trump. it's true. that doesn't automatically disqualify somebody from doing their job unless the democrats can show misbehavior from nunes, the chairman, they don't have a legitimate gripe at all. this is all grandstanding. adam schiff has just as much access to the media as nunes. >> sandra: i was a bit of sarcasm on my part about chuck schumer. we hear a lot from him. he said not only should he recuse himself, he should step aside entirely. >> bill: he also said he should be deported. and he should be forced to live in paraguay the west of his lif life. again, dumb and stupid. schumer's primary job is to subvert the trump administration.

that's his job. as the senate minority leader, just like harry reid. at the same job. he's not there looking out for the american people. he's there to wreck the trump administration and the republican party. that's his only job, schumer. his only job is to destroy the opposition. you saw with harry reid. the republicans do it too, but not to the extent that the democrats do. when this stuff comes in, i don't even take it seriously. i threw it right in the garbage. >> harris: the paraguay stuff, you are kidding. >> bill: know i was in. if schumer had his way, and nunes, trump, and everyone else would be shipped south. >> harris: we are starting to see a trend here. the republicans have to start to -- we're looking at nunes today, does he need to have some sort of explanation ready to go? it seems like there's a bit of a target therefore republicans.

i watched your interview. should be looked on the road a little further, outsmart these guys and say i have an answer for that, let's move on. >> bill: i told him last night on the factor, i told him, i didn't ask him. when you go to the white house to examine documents, you leave yourself open to this. you should have, with all due respect, met your source, who is going to show you these secret documents somewhere else. >> harris: or have an explanation -- >> sandra: did he have access to it somewhere else? >> bill: all politicians are going to tell you this. what happened was he got a call, nunes got a call from somebody in i think the national security agency, the nsa. he said you need to see these intercepts that we have because there are american citizens on the taps, and other identities

are out there. you need to see this as chairman of the committee. i'll meet you at the old executive office building, which i'm being told he didn't deny. nunes should have a meal he said i'll meet you somewhere else. i don't want this tainted in a political way. >> sandra: part of the problem was sean spicer was asked of the press briefing yesterday. isn't there a law, doesn't come from us and i have to be clear? they weren't prepared for this question and it made it a bigger thing. >> meghan: if this ends up being true, it will be a bigger scandal than watergate. all i want to know is did the obama white house spy on trump tower did the transition of power? i don't believe he is going on on tv simply to suck up to the

white house or whatever the accusation. that being said, at this point, it is incumbent upon him to let us know what he knows because clearly he saw something that was egregious enough that he felt compelled to go on from the white house press corps and say so. as you're pointing out, it's so highly politicized on both sides, i think people are tuning out from the fact that at this ends up being true, it could be a break template to entrust of the united states of america and our national security. i'm at the point where i'm upset this has become as politicized as it had. >> melissa: this is whatever he wants to know, this is the actual substance at the bottom of all this nonsense. what was in those documents, what were they listening to, what did it reveal? he stressed again that is not connected to russia at all. >> bill: that's an fbi play. they can undermine the fbi investigation, any political body, and say this is what i saw, this is what on the list.

he made it quite clear. that's a law enforcement and a law enforcement is investigating it for possible criminal charge charges. >> harris: it's almost on par with the unmasking. we've gone to a place now where secrets aren't secrets anymore. we have to wait to see what will happen. there are some secrets that should be kept where they are. >> sandra: i wiggle back to the big picture. we are going to get to jared kushner meeting with the committee. >> bill: that's another ridiculous story. >> sandra: where we out right now? >> bill: we are destroying mode. the left wants to destroy the right and trump in the right, they are scattered now. there is not a coalition because they don't -- a lot of conservatives don't like trump. there is not a unification. the theme is, we are going to destroy the trump administration, period.

we are going to go and do what we have to do so we can win the election in 2020. it's very simple. >> harris: what's interesting about the timing with jared kushner -- >> bill: you better explain what you're talking about. >> sandra: we were going to stay on nunes. jared kushner will be meeting with the senate intelligence committee. there's a lot of questions about his role in this white house. did he meet -- >> bill: he's the son in law ivanka. trump loves him, think he's a genius. he brought him in the administration. after trump won the election, he was designated to meet with certain people, jared kushner wants. that happens in every administration. every administration. >> meghan: i don't think it's jared kushner raising questions, paul manna four, general flynn,

there are a lot of players. i think it's one more person whose meeting -- >> bill: our competition on cable, this is a big big story now. he met with this one and that one. those of us who understand how this goes, there is no story here, unless jared kushner took $50 million from the russians. a meeting is a meeting and it happens in every transition tea team. >> sandra: he's clearly very close to the president. >> bill: that's his job. >> sandra: this is what they're talking about, he met with officials from a russian bank under western economic sanctions and it happened in december, before -- >> bill: it you can argue the validity of allowing the meeting. i say that's a debatable topic. should you allow a meeting under sanction? you can argue that, but you can

see why the bank would want the meeting. they're trying to get the sanction lifted. to me, unless there is wrongdoing, evidence of wrongdoing, all of this is blather. it's b.s. the goal is to have one after the other after the other after the other and erode any credibility of the trump administration. a >> meghan: michael flynn stepped down. again, i don't like being in this element that we are, because i think that it's taking it to a place that completely undermines the administration. >> bill: flynn got money from turkey. i would love to know what he did with turkey. he got money. those are legitimate. >> sandra: we have to leave it there. house republicans waiting for the first time since the clash of their bill to repeal and replace obamacare. what's next for health care and whether republicans and democrats will be able to work together. plus the white house cracking

down on sanctuary cities. threatening to withhold grants to those who don't comply with the feds. big cities, democratic mayors, vowing to keep protecting illegal immigrants. who is right and how far this will go? after the show you can join our live chat on twitter or faceboo facebook. it drives bill nuts, we're on our phones of the break

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afternoon thruway yesterday, he's received a number of calls, as well from members of the senior staff who have been working on health care from members of both sides. think wed of health care. >> harris: i love the questions. democrats are urging republicans to adapt their own agenda if they want support from their party. ron wyden reportedly says that he has not had any conversations with the trump administration about health care yet. genuine, sincerity, the words that pop in my head when i hear things from chuck schumer saying he would never allow the supreme court nominee to go for. we are now going to trust the democrats will come on board. >> bill: on board with what? there is a breach that can't be healed. the democratic party once free health care for those who cannot or will not pay for it. that's what they want. they will not back off that.

republican party says no, we're not going to approve another entitlement. that's going to bankrupt the nation and cause working americans to pay for their insurance, higher premiums. that breach is impossible. if you're going to stay where you are, and both parties well, you won't get any democratic support. what the republican pinheads have to do -- >> sandra: are they all pinheads? >> bill: the republican party is in disarray. trump didn't win because of the republican party, he won because of the populace. he won because of his ability to reach the voters. >> meghan: do you think is blame of the freedom caucuses accurate? >> bill: yes. that wasn't the final bill. push that along and you get it to the senate, they do what they do over there and then it comes back to you.

the processes adding and subtracting and adding and subtracting. you take it and you blow it up. >> harris: i want to read a quick tweet on this topic. the republican house freedom caucus was able to snatch the seat from the jaws of victory. after so many bad years, they were ready for a win. and then one more because he's been quite vocal about this. the democrats will make of deal about this on health care as soon as obamacare folds. not long. don't worry, we are in good shape. >> melissa: this is the problem i got elected. he was talking about not coming up with the right plan out of the gate. these guys make the rules. people at home are watching this in washington -- you make the rules, but you say they're

preventing things from happenin happening. >> meghan: can ask you a question? mark meadows is going home to his constituents. a lot of people said they stopped the democratic republicans or republicans from attending to be democrats from getting this bill to go through. when you make of these freedom caucus people who care more about their purest ideologies then getting health care. >> bill: they were elected on that. i want people to support their country. i want people to vote what they feel is best for the folks they represent. here, it breaks down because that's not the final bill. you sabotaged your own party and the president by voting against a bill that was even close to being what the final bill would have. what you should have done, if you care about getting obamacare out of there is a said yes, this is the first step, now let's see

what the senate will do. when the final bill comes out, then you vote. >> sandra: now they said they're going to move on and work on tax reform. >> bill: people will keep paying higher premiums. >> harris: and you have another enrollment. not coming up. you have to be doing something right now. >> meghan: in my state of arizona, the highest estate that has gotten hit, what does the republican party say to people that are getting hit the hardest right now? is >> bill: its district to district. there is only an congresspeople voted for it. there are only 25 freedom caucus people. a few have left, but it's the same old politics as usual. the swamp has not been drained and trump will be able to drain it.

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>> these policies cannot continue. they make our nation's less safe by putting dangerous criminals back on the street. today, i'm urging these jurisdictions to comply with federal laws. >> meghan: if they don't comply, they will get the funding. democratic mayors from many cities are vowing to keep protecting people who are here illegally. >> if you believe in the american dream, we welcome you to the city of chicago. >> what about the loss of grant money? >> here's the point. in the city of chicago, like new york, like boston, philadelphia, seattle, we welcome people to our cities from other shores who want to innovate, want to bring their family and give their children a chance at the american dream.

>> meghan: his sentiments were echoed. if the federal government believes there is a need to detain a criminal, they can get a warrant. of course, new york city mayor saying we won't back down from protecting new yorkers from terror. former arizona governor is defending this. >> people want to feel safe. they are making our cities and states dangerous. these criminals, these murderers, they're letting them back onto the streets. what are they thinking? they are harboring and protecting criminals.

it's unbelievable that they would get away with this. >> meghan: bill, i would like you to respond first. >> bill: let me get a shot at rahm emanuel. you heard rahm emanuel saying anybody who believes in the american dream is welcome here. that means the whole population of pakistan should be packing up. everybody in the world who wants to come to america can go to chicago. no boundaries, and you can come right in here if you believe in the american dream. insane. what is he doing? he is posturing to his left wing conspiracy -- constituency, not conspiracy. he's saying i'm compassionate. if you want to break this down,

here it is. the federal government has asked all jurisdictions in the united states locally to inform it if they arrest an illegal alien. if they can't show legal citizenship, the federal government wants to know. if you are here illegally and you commit a crime and you are arrested, is anyone objecting to letting the federal government know what happened? no. if ice homeland security replies, please hold this person so we can investigate, that's called a detainer. detain them so we can figure this out. we don't know who this person is. then they say, no. we won't hold them. wait a minute, why not?

if the federal government is asking respectively to detain them, no, we want a warrant. you can get a warrant that fast from the judge. you have to present -- the federal government couldn't possibly do tt. and theynow it. with this injury city people are saying is we want anarchy. if you are here illegally, we don't care. even if you commit a crime against anyone, we are not going to hold you. if you can make bail, you're ou out. >> melissa: these sanctuary cities are safer than other places, that's another argument. >> bill: that's a lie. >> melissa: it's not true. if you look at the stats out of new mexico, of the 8,145 people released under this, a staggering 7,491 charges or

accumulated afterwards against those peoples. i love rahm emanuel saying we are a welcoming city. "the wall street journal" ," chicago residents assuming that city at a record pace. >> bill: yeah, because i have no control. the other end of the debate, you know you're going to get a court challenge when they are denied. they'll lose because one judge will screw it up. ask me about the hawaii thing before the show ends. the justice department has $4.5 billion this year. it's their opinion who gets the money. it's not mandated money. that's why san francisco, chicago, new york city, they

won't get that. >> sandra: >> sandra: we have h more to get to. a show down setting up supreme court nominee. neil gorsuch is chances are narrowing. he can't clear 60 votes. some republicans strongly hinting they're prepared to use the so-called nuclear option to unilaterally change senate rules with a simple majority vote. >> it would break my heart but i would do what i had to do to make sure president trump gets treated fairly. >> leader said we will get him through. >> he's highly qualified. i think we're going to do it, whatever it takes.

>> sandra: this after patrick lahey said he won't vote for gorsuch. he sent the nominee a list of 21 follow-up questions he wants answered. they cover a range of hot hot n issues. >> bill: my turn? this is a bogus story. it's another story that they make up for cable tv, cable news, the websites. what's going to happen is this. if 60 senators will not vote for gorsuch out right, which is possible. schumer is threatening any democratic senator. if you vote for him, we will hurt you down the line. that's what's happening behind the scenes. the micronic senators are saying i don't want to be hurt, so will vote against. all republicans are saying is okay, we'll change the rules. it's a majority vote in the senate. bingo. 51, 52 votes, get him in. it will take even longer, that's

exactly what will happen. the republicans will never walk away from gorsuch. he will be on the supreme court. >> harris: can we talk a little bit about how the democratic party has been hijacked and why this is such a great example of that? you have some in the party who might come to the table for gorsuch. >> meghan: you've got the formea solicitor who said he has worked with him. he votes per has a value system, he votes per details of each case. there is a such huge political penalty to become neutral. some of the questions have to do with all sorts of things and he doesn't even care what the answers are. >> bill: send them to me. i'll answer them for you.

>> meghan: is chuck schumer this powerful? if i were an up-and-coming young democrat trying to change the face of a party, i think i would say get out of here. >> bill: i've known schumer forever. i used to be a local reporter. whenever i see him, i make fun of his book and him and he makes fun of me. i have a fairly good relationship with him. he's unbelievably powerful and that party. >> meghan: you can't be that spiteful. >> bill: he's an old school -- if you don't do it my way, i'm going to hurt you. >> melissa: echoes back to the question at the beginning. why is there a difference in

loyalty and the parties? >> bill: because the democrats basically coalesce around two or three issues, abortion, that's one. entitlement society that the government owes money to certain americans, and republicans, their issues are all over the place. there is moderate, conservative, democrats funnel within. it's a lot easier to control her membership. >> sandra: this next story has your name on it. at the pc police out in full force. a stray a straight college stut says that the crucifixion of jesus is a hoax. we have that whole story next hello, i'm an idaho potato farmer

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the >> melissa: a student tells the central florida post, he was suspended for challenging his muslim professors. marshall pulse done, telling the college, the conservative muslim student met such fear by some that one of the students reported it to the fbi later. i was reported by the professor to the dean of the campus safety. the situation was surreal. she posted this to the facebook page while not naming the student. "this guy is making my life hell. i'm very afraid of this guy and this situation is directly interfering with my ability to do my job. i want to know if there is a way to hold the individual responsible over his harassment

and hate speech." she claims that the harassment and hate speech came in an email from the unnamed student. we reached out to the student. he sent us what he says is the email in question. what we saw was not threatening, though he did suggest he would go to the media and/or seek legal counsel. we left a message, we are unable to reach a professor. what do you think? >> bill: i won't comment on the case, because i don't know on the validity. it's a beef. if a college professor told his students at the crucifixion of jesus was a hoax, but in that person should be fired for incompetence. i wrote a book where he documented everything that happened to the man, jesus of nazareth. as documented. it happen. if you are professor and you're telling your students it didn't happen, then you're incompetent. you strip all the religious aspects away.

if you're a muslim and you believe in sharia law, you are protected. unless you're saying that person should be. , that's a threat. if your espousing a belief system, that's protected. >> melissa: the place everybody goes to is i'm threatened, i'm afraid. that's where this professor seems to have gone. the email that we saw didn't appear to be threatening. that's where these arguments kind of go to in our society rather than duking out thoughts, this need to be removed because suddenly i feel threatened. >> meghan: out to college ten years ago and a lot has changed. if you go online and see a video charles murray speaking. he had to go to another room. he wasn't allowed to say

anything. simply having a different opinion on a college campus is considered something threatenin threatening. i'm deeply concerned about it. i don't know the answer is, but i'm more curious what you think the answer is. why are these students not able to hear the other side out? >> bill: first of all, the professor in this case, she's setting setting up the lawsuit. secondly, this almost goes back to politics. you have a culture where in the country. you have people who believe that any speech that disagrees with them is hate speech. if you disagree with somebody, then you're hating them. they need a safe space to flee. >> meghan: a lot of people like jerry seinfeld said they will go to college campuses anymore. >> bill: i don't go anymore. they can afford me.

why do i want to sit there with a bunch of -- i knew these kids in 1968. i knew who they were. then they get caught up in this. they're self-righteous and noble and they know and you don't. >> harris: i want to directly answer your question, because something else popped in my head when you set a safe space and why they immediately go into fear. part of this is because she's a woman, i think. we see this time and time again, this new age of feminism. when something goes wrong, there is a rare treat to a victim. that is very disturbing as a woman, because the argument is different. why not take marshall on? what he's saying is that factually there was a crucifixion of a man. >> melissa: that's a different opinion, by the way.

>> harris: i don't want to go there, i want to take you on. >> melissa: saying you are afraid is a winner every time. saying you saying you're fearful of this person, keep them away from me. it will win. sadly, we hear about them all the time now. folks who melt away, snowflakes. if anyone disagrees with them or even says over they don't like. our #oneluckyguy take them on big time. his new book will tell you if you are a snowflake or old-school, he's going to give it to you straight. fun in art class.

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>> harris: it is a big day for our #oneluckyguy, bill o'reilly. his brand-new book, "old school: life in the sane" officially hits store shelves today and a focus on cultural wars and talks about whether you are a snowflake or an old schooler. here we go. how do you know? did you get up this morning knowing there would be mountains to climb it aside to climb them? did you say what you mean? if so, you are old-school. did you whine about safe spaces?

look for something to get outraged about every single day. sorry to tell you, snowflake. now the snowflake melter, bill o'reilly. >> bill: the fascinating part of this book is i didn't have a semimy mind until i started acting like a snowflake. one of the big indicators of snowflake bill is if you whine. if you know anybody who is a whiner or you're a whiner, snowflake. i was whining about the pc culture. i was going, i hate these peopl people. i was whining. one day, i said i'm a snowflake for whining about it. i'm going to do something about it! "old school: life in the sane" came out of that. i stopped being a snowflake, put all of my frustrations and observations on the page, hired bruce for your stay and who is

an old friend of mine from boston university. he is old school too, but in a totally different way. he lives in a way, wrote movies. he and i go to the same school, but we take different buses. i wanted a different point of view in the book other than my own. >> harris: here's my favorite part of the book. the moms and the daughter on the couch will love this. the old-school guide to modern parenting. what's the basic parent-child relationship in your household? old-school is the parent and the child. snowflake his >> bill: absolutely. it doesn't work out well for the kids. the parents, trying to curry favor, that's a snowflake thing. if you are trying to curry favor with your child -- >> sandra: i'm a snowflake. >> bill: don't do that.

it's nice and you want your kids to like you, but you don't patronize them. you don't give them things they shouldn't have or allow them to do things they shouldn't do. >> melissa: this is what i love. you have to allow your kids to confront these situations, as opposed to the snowflake generation, they shield them. i thought of this, i was on a playground of my son when he was younger and someone came over and smacked him with a wood sword. this was downtown and chelsea. a normal parent would have yelled of the other kid. i look to the other parent and i said people have been whacking you with things your whole life. you have to figure out how to deal with this. my thought was, move away from this crazy child. that was a lesson he should learn. but you always go out and protect your child from everything going on. >> bill: sometimes kids have to be protected.

>> melissa: move away from a child who is insane, how about that? >> harris: we're going to talk more about this online. stay close for that. more "outnumbered" right after this. ♪ ♪ ♪

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