fact. thank you for watching us tonight. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here. >> tucker: good evening. welcome to tucker carlson tonight. still hungry for more bill o'reilly? in a bit, he'll join us on this program. is free speech withering away on college campuses? of course it is. today protesters erupted yet on another university after charles murray showed up to one school with some of his opinions. we'll take you live to that school. devin nunes needs to recuse himself from the house investigations -- house of representatives investigation into the 2016 medaling of the election. >> i still don't know why.

you guys give me a reason to recuse myself, i might consider it. >> nunes needs to recuse himself from the russian investigation. do you know the source of the investigation? >> i don't know. he's a member of the house and appointed by the speaker. that's entirely up to the speakert and house of representatives. >> tucker: this is the senior adviser of the democratic national commit the or was as of this afternoon when the new chairman, tom perez, asked everyone to resign by the end of the month. he joins us here in the studio. are you still working for the dnc? >> i am today. my contract ends at the end of this week, as it was planned since january. >> tucker: good for tom for looking within for a little bit and not just ranting about russia but asking how the single most impressive person in the history of the world looses to donald trump? >> i think we know how the most impressive person lost to donald trump and it was in part by the russian government. >> tucker: to me, that doesn't make sense. for the last three or four months, democrats have been saying every night on this show,

trump is a puppet of the kremlin. he's doing the bidding of the putin government. the entire western economy is based energy. trump's uses on energy are pro-american. he wants more energy exploration and production in this country. he's totally for fracking. if you were doing the kremlin's bidding, you would have. >> al: position and be -- you would have al gore's position and be against fracking and talking about global warming, how is trump doing the bidding of russian -- russia? >> the actual things he's done is removed sanctions on the sfb, russian spy network. he's attacked nato. that's one of the top priorities of vladamir putin. he continues to praise putin at every turn. not only that, he goes up and attacks the european union. >> tucker: he loves putin. i'll grant you that. i don't think it's true but whatever. nato was a bulworth against soviet communism. it was great. you have to believe that putin's priorities may have changed in

the 26 years since the soviet union collapsed. maintaining their economy might be at the top of the list. trump is actually working against russian interests on that, the biggest question of all, and he's also calling for more military spending and expanding the u.s. navy and air force. why in the world would putin be for that? >> i don't understand how you could say that putin is for american policy and that donald trump is whatever you just said. >> tucker: i'm just making the obvious point that al gore and hillary clinton's views on energy, sing the most -- single most important thing in the russian economy is more closer to putin's than trump's? >> sing the most important things to the economy is lifting sanctions. that's what donald trump and his administration is all about. >> tucker: that's not true. why is there propaganda against fracking? >> the ambassador to russia freaked out when it looked like the administration was going to

impose new sanctions which is why they called my -- . >> tucker: they don't want sanctions but. >> it's a disaster for their economy. >> tucker: their prop gen gend -- propaganda channel is running long pieces of fracking, not sanctions. >> they were boosting that up after donald trump won. they were talking about what an important boon this was going to be to be for the russian economy. you're wrong on that. >> tucker: your point is and the point of demscrats nunes is a partisan he can't continue his role. if he was a partisan, if about he was so partisan that partisanship guided his every action, why he allow hearings on this in the first place? democrats would never allow hearings on this? >> he just cancelled a public hearing on friday with sallie yates. >> tucker: yeah, but we're talking about -- >> sallie yates was going to testify. he cancelled it the same day that sallie yates was going to come and contradict statements

made. then he pulls the plug. if your argument devin nunes is not partisan because he allowed hearings, he's not. he cancelled two of them. >> tucker: he's the chairman of the committee. he's allowing this investigation to go forward. i'm saying as you well know, with the democratic-controlled congress, it won't happen. it'll hurt our guy. we're not doing it, period. he's allowing it. >> at the some point, we have to start thinking about americans, not -- like americans, not partisans. we have a hostile foreign power that injected itself into the election. this is about basic -- do you not believe russia came in and interfered in the election? >> tucker: i don't believe russia affected the outcome of this election. >> nobody is arguing with that. >> tucker: this whole conversation is stupid. i'm not in charge of the conversation, you guys are let me ask you specifically. if nunes were to step aside, who would be less partisan to run the committee?

>> we're calling for an independent 9/11 file commission. >> tucker: to be chosen by whom? >> congress as a process of this. 9/11 commission was done after the 9/11 attacks. there's press don't how it's done. that's something that the congress would decide. >> tucker: wouldn't that be partisan? the partisans are choosing it? >> in the 9/11 commission, there was five democrats and five republicans. they interviewed 1,200 people. it wasn't partisan. it was specifically -- . >> tucker: it was. basic questions on 9/11 which we're still arguing about today. let's be totally real if you want a nonpartisan commission, you take a popular vote on the subject. who should serve on that commission. that's how you should do it. you can't take partisanship out of a partisanship process? this is a dumb conversation. why not have the real conversation which is did and to what extent russia affect the outcome of the election? did the u.s. government spy on trump, the candidate, or not? those are the real questions, not the partisanship? >> i'm very happy to talk about that, and are some of the

questions that this independent commission would look at and what we need to find the answers to. >> here's what we know. we know that intel agencies run by barack obama spied on the trump transition team. >> false. >> tucker: really? because the director of the f.b.i. said that. >> no, he didn't. >> tucker: he certainly did. he said there was -- yes, he did. he said it right in front of congress. he said there was an investigation into russian interference and had spied on people in the trump orbit. that's exactly what he said. what do you think about that? does that bother you? >> there's a difference between investigation and spying on members of the transition team. >> tucker: really? how would you know the case without spying on members of the transition team? >> that's a specific term when you're talking about surveillance. >> tucker: whatever. >> you're making stuff up. >> tucker: i'm not making anything up. >> yeah, you are. what we do know is the f.b.i. has been running an investigation since july. >> tucker: with no surveillance. the nsa sweeps up virtually every electronic communication

in the united states. it's known in the paper. it's proved it. i'm bothered by it. you claim to be liberal. why might a liberal in this case argue about civil liberties right to privacy. >> you were injecting facts that don't exist. you're supposing that the nsa is somehow involved in this and sweeping up all sorts of communications that are -- . >> tucker: they are. >> please point to it a specific communication that you're talking about. just one. >> tucker: just -- this is arguing about the sunrise. we know that the the nsa is tapping into -- >> your -- . >> tucker: if either party in the intel committee -- all electronic communications in the u.s.. >> single example. >> tucker: e-mail you sent this morning. >> what did i send this morningi didn't work for the nsa. >> that's a helicopter question. >> that's not a helicopter question. it's a fact. zach, good to see you.

>> you, too. >> tucker: nunes's behavior allows congress and the press to igmower what he actually says, part of which is americans are apparently having their information incidentally caught in the intelligence dragnet. >> recently confirmed on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected information about u.s. citizens involved in the trump transiti transition. >> if this is all about improper unmasking of, you know, incidentally collected u.s. information, he did exactly the wrong thing. >> incidental collection is not surveilling a campaign or american citizens, it's surveilling a foreign agent. there's rules about what you do with that information. i'd be curious to see if the rules would be followed. >> congressman trey of south carolina says in addition of chasing russian phantoms, congress and the press ought to be more worried on how american citizens -- citizens are spied upon and unmasked by unscrupulous people.

i don't know what the purpose of all of these statements and members of the committee are on both sides. i'm paying close attention. i'm totally confused. would you give us a quick summation of what we know for certain about spying on american citizens including the trump campaign? >> what we know is if there's an evidentiary basis for the president's tweet, it's not been shared with the public. we'll get that out of the way. the allegations are very specific. president obama wiretapped trump tower. there's not an evidentiary basis for that where it gets more complicated is there are surveillance methodologies that allow the collection of hypothetically foreign-to-foreign communication. to the extent that u.s. citizens are mentioned or collected in that, um, in those surveillance programs, they're masked. and i think you want the information collected from a national security standpoint but the masking is important so with

general flynn, with the public reporting is he was on masked. that's not only a breach of protocol, that's a violation of the law. that's the felonious dissemination of classified material. what chairman nunes's point is i want to know whether or not other people had been unmarketed even though you don't know about it publicly yet. >> tucker: interesting. it'll be known in the intelligence community. so my understanding from watching director comey is that intel agencies reporting to the obama white house initiated an investigation of people around candidate trump before his inauguration. is that your understanding? >> it is not. i would be surprised if anyone could confirm that. there's a warrant process that you have to go through with the fisa court. it's got the to be approved. there's a public record of all of this, tucker, which would be in the custody of the now trump department of justice. so if there were an evidentiary basis for that, it's cities lay that out. there's a paper trail.

>> tucker: why would director comey be willing to reveal the existence of some investigations but not common on others? >> that was really surprising to me. if you remember what he said, he saw special dispenization from the department of justice to confirm, not just the counterintelligence investigation but one that may manifest itself with criminality. when i asked him about the leaks he said he wouldn't confirm there was an investigation. i think they're both of national interest. one happens to be a felony, so i was a little surprised and a little disappointed that he can't at least tell us we're investigating the felonious dissemination of classified materials. >> tucker: yet he can tell us other things that suit the agenda of others. we interviewed someone earlier last week that spent 30 years with the nsa who said there's no question that the nsa has personal communications from then candidate trump and those around him on its servers. do you think that's true?

>> it depends on who they're talking to. if you're talking to someone for whom the intelligence agencies are authorized to collect, then, yes, you may be captured on it. if there is a reason to collect on a non-u.s. citizen and you happen to call that person, then you would be collected as a u.s. citizen. that's where the masking and treating it confidently comes into full effect. >> tucker: he was saying that nsa collects basically all data coming into and out of the united states. it's capped into the data trunk. the question is what do they do with it? but they have it. is that your understanding? is that true? >> that's broader than what my understanding sst you would have to get a warrant. if you're a u.s. citizen, you have to get a warrant and application from fisa court. if you're talking foreign-to-foreign, that's a separate analysis. if you're talking u.s. to foreign, it's still a separate analysis and one that would require going to the fisa court. >> tucker: last question, you

sit on the committee that oversees our intelligence agencies. are you satisfied if you request a specific accounting of something you'll get it, get the straight-forward answer and get the entire answer? >> i don't know that i would, tucker, and i'm not dodging your question. there's something called the gang of eight. they're entitled of information that others are not. speaker of the house, minority leader and ranking member and chairman of hipsi or r-4 in the gang of eight, if you're just a hipsi member like i am. >> tucker: i get it. they can get whatever they want, they'll get the full story and the agency will give it to them? >> they should, i only calf vott it by saying should, when one source has the information and another is requesting it, you never know what you'll get. uck tuck that's the concern for ordinary voters like me. congressman, thank you for coming on. >> yes, sir, thank you. >> tucker: still confused and maybe tired of this whole russia story? we don't blame you. coming up, we'll talk about do

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>> tucker: seems like you need a ph.d at minimum to understand the countless different strands of the trump/russia controversy/conspiracy theory. you have alleged russian hacking allegations of collaboration between the president and putin, intelligence agencies spying on american citizens and now of course a ton of congressional bungling. what to make of all of this.

an independent investigation needs to get to the bottom of it. do we need to move on and pretend that none of this happened, assuming anything happened at all? brit hume joins us now. brit, i go back-and-forth on this whether this is pure politics or something deeper. i'm leaning toward the latter here. i've had a couple of members on air and off get emotional on the subject of hacking and russian interference with the last ehecht'slex and i'm -- election and i'm starting to think this is a touchstone to understanding all of american politics. do you think they believe it? >> i think they may, tucker and i think the question is whether that is what this is about. that is to say an effort by russia to mettle in our elections, hostile act to be sure, perhaps even as dick cheney suggested an act of war. i think if that was really what this was about, this is what this case is about, there'd be unanimous bipartisan agreement, we all need to get to the bottom of it and find out what happened however, there are two other elements that's become part of

this as well, one is the question of whether the russians were acting inclusion with the trump campaign of which -- collusion of the trump campaign in where's there's scant so far and allegations on that the final element is the question on whether the united states intelligence agencies having incidentally swept up the names and information of conversations by certain americans citizens, then proceeded to mishandle that information. the identities, of course, in situations like that is your previous guests have mentioned are supposed to be masked, not revealed, not even revealed across the intelligence agencies it. it appears those constraints weren't observed in some cases here. what devin nunez has been talking about as the chairman of the committee. that's the information or related to the information that he apparently has been told confidentially from someone within the intelligence services. the democrats of course would like this to be about the allegations of collusion and the republicans would like it to

focus more on the allegations of the misuse of intelligence against american citizens by the obama administration. my sense about this is this re -- reminds me of a lot of congressional allegations that i've covered over the years. there's a lot of politics involved. it's an adversarial proceeding. on one side, one party induced information that helps their side of the argument. the other party does the other thing. out of that adversarial proceeding, truth emerges. it has during the iran cantra. -- a contra. i don't think there's enough information where there's enough information on either of those counts to go for some sort of outside special council. >> tucker: you know what it reminds me of -- you were, of course, the center of thi this -- 1993, you covered this republicans couldn't understand how anyone could have voted for bill clinton. they couldn't make sense of it at all. all the theories arose about running drugs in the amena airport or killing people. rather than addressing it

directly, he had a message that was resonating with voters. they couldn't understand how trump won. they made up this elaborate situation with russia that's probably not helpful long term. >> not sure how deeply they believe but they'd love it to be true, tucker, because they believe based on things apart from this that donald trump is an illegitimate president, a man who's got no qualifications for the job, is -- and shouldn't be the president. they're afraid he'll have the the presidency for four years and roll back their agenda and cause all kinds of problems. and they can't stand the guy. and if it could be shown that he colluded with russia to get elected that would undermine his presidency almost totally. that's what they're going for. that in my view from their side of it is what this is about. >> tucker: boy they really, really don't like to lose power. unbelievable actually. brit, thank you for that.

>> in my experience in washington, no one ever does. >> tucker: no, that is true. thank you. up next, a coalition of mayors led by new york's bill dah lazio is resisting the president's efforts to defund sanctuary cities. stay tuned. stay tuned various: (shouting) heigh! ho! ( ♪ ) it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america's emissions. energy lives here.

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local politicians from across the country for the collective purpose of defyingn law that don't lack support in america's largest cities. top officials from los angeles and new york announced they'll defy the administration's efforts to suppress sanctuary cities and enforce immigration law. >> in los angeles, we don't separate children from their families because it's inhumane. in los angeles, we don't deem monnize our hard-working neighbors just because they speak a different language or come from a different country, that's unamerican. >> the department of justice will also take all lawful steps to claw back any funds awarded to a jurisdiction that willfully violates 1373. >> new york city is the safest city in this country. and so, you know, if the president wants to put that at risk to make a point to a dwindling base of support, then he's being irresponsible but that's nothing new for this administration. >> tucker: an immigration

advocate that spoke at day two of today's conference is joining me. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: you heard the mayor of los angeles cry the -- describe the new law as inhumane. you described it that way, too. it seems insulting to the country, a country that allowed 11 million people to live here legally giving them all benefits at great expense to describe the country as inhumane or cruel. what country did as much as we have for illegal aliens? >> there's very few things you can find consensus amongst republicans and democrats in this country but one thing we can all agree on is our immigration laws are broken. it's not surprising that the mayors of the cities that have the largest immigration population that has see the harm up front of a massive it deportation system that's ripping apart families identifying those as base inhumane laws. >> tucker: i find so remarkable the insult to the population.

immigration has upsides for sure. it's got real costs, measurable costs that's been measured actually, costs on american citizens who were born here and all of that. their views and lives are never taken into account in this equation. it's you're being mean to people here illegal. what about everyone else? >> actually to the contrary. the vast majority of the reliable studies that have been conducted show both that immigrants make our country more vital economically for all americans, but also that sanctuary laws, the laws that were discussed at today's conference make our cities and country safer, so very much we're thinking not just about the immigrant population but bull all -- but about all americans and the way we benefit from immigration. >> you're au -- a law professor not an economist but a lot has been written. under the obam -- obama administration in 2010 did a study about this. here's what they said, "illegal immigration tended to the press, both wages and employment for

low-skilled americans, disproportionate number of whom are black men." i don't know of any economist who would dispute that fact when you flood a market with low-wage market, it hurts the people on the bottom. it's disproportionately black men. why doesn't that bother you? >> there's been a wealth of data showing immigrants are a boon to it our economy but to the exit tent that immigrants are being exploited and underpaid. the reason that's happening is republicans have obstructed comprehensive immigration refo reform. i'm sorry -- . >> tucker: i want you to be able to give your point of view but i also want to you address what i just said. u.s. civil rights commission, this is not some right-wing group, has said what i think every economist has said that looked at it carefully there are parts of the economy that benefit from low-wage immigration. low-wage workers, disproportionately black men aren't beneficiaries of this. are you denying that specific fact? which is a meaningful fact? >> you can pick and choose one line from one report.

what i'm telling you is that -- you're reading one line from one report. what i'm telling you that the theme that runs across the economic research is immigrants are a boon to it our economy and boon to american workers. that's why -- . >> tucker: including at the lower end of the laborscale scale? what can you site that proves that? not one thing ever written proves that. >> what i'm telling you with a very straight face if you're worried about low-wage workers, you need to stop the mechanisms of exploitation that allows immigrants to be underpaid. the way to do that is create a pathway to it legalization such they can no longer be exploited and level the playing field. >> tucker: you have a fair point. they're exploited in a lot of cases. that's a real thing. i'm not talking about people that broke our through come here from other countries to work under the table. i'm talking about people who were born here including black people who's been here for 400 years. if we're the u.s. government, they -- we need to talk about

them. >> i'm not dodging the question, i'm telling you directly, if you care about that sector of the labor economy, there's something you can do. you can talk to your republican allies and tell them to pass comprehensive immigration reform. get people work authorization such they can't be exploited in ways that are harmful to our economy. >> tucker: but wouldn't it just be a lot simpler to acknowledge the law of supply and demand and know and affirm that when you have an overabundance of low-wage labor, the rate of labor goes down? wages go down. are you denying that fact? >> if you talk to the agricultural economy, excuse me, agricultural sector, if you talk to the construction sector, if you talk to the service sector, what they're going to tell you is that immigrant labor is vital blue-collar immigrant jobs are vital to our economy. and absent that labor, the american economy is going to slow and that is going to harm

all americans. >> tucker: this is a macro question. i wonder if it ever occurs to you, how did you a liberal law professor from new york city wind up the spokesman for big employers who exploit low-wage labor? how'd that -- ever think how'd i get in had this place? you're defending agricultural and service sector employers who pay low wages. like did you think you were going to wind up in that place when you were a kid? >> not sure we're having the same conversation. >> tucker: i think we are. >> what i'm saying is the same thing that the organized labo labor -- the last time we came close to comprehensive immigration reform. they support comprehensive immigration reform because they knew it was good for all american workers. republicans obstructed that. to the extent there's exsplittation of immigrants and that's harmful to our economy in ways i completely agree, you should talk to your republican allies. >> tucker: you're taking the line of big employers, of the

pollute kratz of the chamber of commerce and repeating it verbatim. unless we have massive amounts of foreign low-wage labor, it'll be hard in our economy. no, it'll be hard for people who seek on it pay lower wages to it their workers, isn't it? >> no, actually the laws of supply and demand operate regardless of our immigration laws. that's why we have one of the reasons why we have a large undocumented population is our immigration system is so broken, there aren't legal mechanisms for the blue-collar immigrant workers to obtain lawful status. >> tucker: we can't throw these people out because that's inhumane. >> turns out it doesn't work that way it's not realistic to think there are 11 million undocumented people we're going to round up when we're already spending more on immigration enforcement than we are on all other federal law enforcement combined. >> tucker: professor, we don't agree but i appreciate your

coming on. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: up next, charles murray went to notre dame today defying various people that commanded -- demand he not be allowed to speak. we sent a reporter there. he'll tell us what he saw. bill o'reilly published his fourth book. we'll tell what you is in it. stay tuned. what took you so long? i know, i saved a ton of money on car insurance. that's what i'm talking about! geico also gives you 24/7 access to licensed agents! booooyah. good game, you really crushed it. no son, geico crushed it. ♪ ♪

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campuses. >> tucker: across country, you've seen an uproar on college campuses over free speech, whether people whom fascist liberals should be allowed to talk with, should they be allowed to speak? you should expect harassment, bullying or physical attacks. if you're trying to give a speech, disruptive protest is almost a certainty. how'd this happen? today was no excerption. charles murray went to notre dame today. a mass of people showed up to get mad. fox news national correspondent matt finn was there. he joins us for an update. hey, matt? >> hey, tucker. charles measure rye is -- murray is an acclaimed and scientist with issues like race, american culture and the 2016 election. today dr. murray was greeted by protesters here on the campus of notre dame because students disagree with some of the conclusions in his book in which dr. murray writes a person's intelligence depends on a few key factors including genetics,

upbringing, class and race. one particular passage that students seemed to be outraged over in one of his books is when murray writes that little boys who grow up without fathers tend to reach adolescence unprepared for life. protesters basically say murray's research is bogus because he's racist while others say murray is simply presenting the hard truth from his research. take a listen to two students today on the campus of notre dame. >> yeah, i do think he's promoting racist agenda. one of the definitions of racism is believing you're superior. your race is superior to another. with the bell curve, he clearly states he believes black people are less intelligent than white people. he believes eastern asians are more intelligent than white folks. >> people on the left such as those who have gathered here will take out little snippets of the quotes, little pieces of analysis and present it as if he's a white supremacist or na nazi. putting ideas he didn't actually express. i think that's source of a lot

of the controversy around him, not actually what he believes, but rather what they want him to believe in order to have this kind of gigantic controversy. >> dr. murray touched upon the rise of president donald trump saying trump won because he tapped into an anger in the middle-class that was tired of being ignored by the democratic elite. tucker? >> tucker: looks like a lot of fun, matt. sorry i missed it. thank you for doing that. professor phillip muñoz invited murray to speak on campus. he joins us tonight. professor, thank you for coming on. how'd it go? >> it went pretty well, at least inside the venue where he spoke. >> what i've noticed, the debate itself seems to be under attack and maybe disappearing on college campuses, the assumption people who disagree with one another on issues could get together and hash 'em out. do your students and fellow faculty assume that's a legitimate thing to do? >> yeah, you know, i think the vast majority of students and at

least enough faculty do believe we should debate these ideas. we should listen to both sides and try to learn and figure out what we think the truth is that's not true of everyone. students are better than faculty. but we're doing all right. >> students are better than faculty. that's one heartening piece of news from the front line that tomorrow's leaders are better than yesterday's. did charles murray say anything particularly controversial? did anyone get up and try to debate him? was there a crescendo to this event? >> well, you know, we invited a member of our faculty, i presume someone who is very liberal, to offer commentary on the event. he gave a very critical evaluation of murray's work. he spoke for a good 15 minutes. murray spoke. critics spoke. we opened it up to q&a. there were good, sharp questions. it was a good debate, i thought. >> tucker: man, that sounds so old-fashioned. one side says what it thinks.

another side says what it thinks. everyone goes out for coffee after. good for you for keeping this alive, this tradition that goes back 3,000 years. did you take any heat from your fellow faculty members for it? >> sure, yeah. some of the faculty were not very happy with me, but i will say that 99 out of 100 comments were positive and i'm proud of notre dame. i'm proud of our leadership. people, even people who disagreed with murray wanted this to happen to say, look, we're not going to be bullied. we're not going to not have debate because you don't want one side to speak. we're a university. and people need to be heard. >> tucker: really quickly, the people who disagreed with you, where do they tend to be from on campus? from the engineering department? business school? sociology department? if you can generalize? >> there was some social scientists and perhaps there's arts and letters. that's probably true, of course.

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>> tucker: time now for the friend zone. we invite someone from within the building here at fox join us. with us tonight is the the legendary bill o'reilly. he's been hosting "the factor" for more than 20 years. he's found time to write an entire shelf of books, a book mobile really. he's got a new book called "old school, life in the sane lane." i liked this book.

>> thank you. i figured you'd dive right into it. and it spoke to you, i bet. >> tucker: it did. i thought -- i'm always one for humor. i thought parts were hilarious. quickly explain the difference. what you're trying to do is help people understand the difference between old school and snowflake. what's the difference? how do you tell? >> it's a philosophy of life. those of us raised in traditional homes -- as i was -- we adopted many of us old school -- i don't like the word "values" because that says that people who aren't old school don't have good values. that's not what i'm getting at. it's a point of view. it's a point of view. and the point of view is there are certain things you do and certain things that you don't do. whereby the snowflake culture that has risen dramatically in america in the last five years, they see life in a totally different way. so in old school, we spell out the traditional old school point of view, approximate p.o.v., as

opposed to the snowflake p.o.v. then you know who you are. which one you are and which one are you, carlson? >> i hope i'm not a snowflake but reading this -- i think -- some are interesting. some are ones you would have guessed. others you didn't. you know you're a snowflake when every single day, the moment you wake up and the moment you go to sleep, you find something to be outraged about it and it's all unforgivable. liberals aren't like that actually. it's across the line. >> conservatives are like that as well. it doesn't go down with your politics. politics doesn't mean you're an old school or snowflake. it crosses boundaries. one of the interesting things, i wrote the book with a guy named bruce. we were on the boston university newspaper, daily free press. he lives in l.a., all right? he's an old school guy as i am but he's a different kind of old school guy. i say that we go to the same school but we take different buses.

and so he's got a little bit of a different take on this whole thing. and i wanted that, because, again, it's not -- there's a whole bunch of subtleties involved in this philosophy. >> tucker: reading this, one of the things that kept coming back was just how annoying some of these attitudes are, and i thought to myself, how did we get here? do you think the country being really rich for 100 years has contributed to this? >> i think there's a softness that came into the culture. i write about my father. my father is one of the stars of the back because he's the ultimate old school guy. he suffered through the depression. he went through world war two that toughens you up. since the vietnam war, we've had a volunteer army so the mill stare is still -- the military is still tough it. a will the of americans are soft and full of entitlements. you have to give me this you owe me this. and that is the snowflake culture. you know, the world owes you stuff. the government owes you this. and you'll never prosper under

that. i feel bad for the snowflakes, because sooner or later, they're going to crash land in a puddle and they're not going to be able to get out. they're going to dissolve. that's what i'm trying to get across. if you're a snowflake and you're committed to that, at least read old school, because there's stuff in there that will help you. >> tucker: one last thing that kind of surprised me, billy joel you hold up as someone you grew up with same age, same town, you held him up as old school i wouldn't have guessed that. >> i'm not going to tell you who the others are that we have are good examples of old school folks are surprising as well. the reason is joel did it by himself. he didn't have a great family. he dropped out of high school. he did all of the wrong things. and -- but he's an old school guy because he believed in himself and his talent and he developed the talent. all right? he worked and worked and worked and then he broke through and he is still an old school guy. i don't hang with him every night but i see him occasional

occasionally. we talk about the old neighborhood. i've known him since i was 12, all right? he's still the same kind of guy. and that is old school. so that's why i included billy joel in the book uck tuck you definitely made me like him more. i will say that. -- . >> tucker: you definitely made me like him more. i will say that. >> thank you, tucker, for having me in. >> tucker: up next arab strong woman who won a weight lifting competition in australia. what's the secret to her success? we'll tell you the details after the break. my goal was to finally get in shape. not to be focusing on my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis. so i made a decision to talk to my dermatologist about humira. humira works inside my body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to my symptoms. in clinical trials, most adults taking humira were clear or almost clear, and many saw 75% and even 90% clearance in just 4 months.

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>> sean: welcome to "hannity." in a few minutes, we'll check in with newt gingrich, monica crowley and ainsley earhardt. house intelligence committee continues its ongoing investigation into whether russia metled in our presidential election. earlier president trump called out the clintons for their alleged ties to russia. it's the story that the all left radical anti-trump propaganda media will not be covering but we will. that's tonight's opening monologue. last night, president trump took to twitter and he wrote "why isn't the house intelligence committee looking into the bill and hillary deal that allowed big uranium to go to