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but they are beating the hell out of this uncan trip. >> martha: familiar. that is day 71. week 10. have a great weekend, everybody. o'reilly is up next. see you back here on the first 100 day once monday. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> jesse: hi, i'm jesse watters in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching this special edition of the o'reilly factor, america divided. it is stark division that is playing out in every corner of politics right now. and it's on full display in the mainstream media's coverage of the mike flynn wiretap russia intel investigations. as for the latest on flynn, the former national security advisor is seeking an immunity deal in exchange for testimony to fbi and congressional investigators. the deal is reportedly been rejected by the senate intel committee. and congressman adam schiff, the house intel committee's ranking member, says they
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will discuss the offer with senate and justice department counterparts before making a decision. meanwhile, the media's coverage of the flynn news breatheless. >> overnight president trump's former national security advisor mike flynn making headlines requesting immunity in exchange for testifying about his russian contacts. >> flynn wants legal protection before testifying about the trump campaign and russian meddling in the election. >> michael flynn, who was ousted as president trump's national security advisor, is now offering to testify if he is given immunity from prosecution. >> jesse: top democratic leaders are waste nothing time using the flynn development to fuel more rank speculation against president trump. >> i just wonder what the russians have politically, personally, or financially on president trump. because this is about a national security issue. why would the president of the united states for just come in and start to flirt with the idea of lifting
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sanctions on russia in terms of their behavior in eastern europe. why would the president of the united states question the stark committee. why would the president of the united states put putin on a pedestal and diminish the greatness of america in that? there is something wrong with this picture? >> jesse: joining us now with reaction from washington, matt schlapp, chairman of the american conservative union, along with former state department official david that fury. matt, i will start with you. it seems like if the press had been as aggressive covering this irs scandal, i mean, they didn't do anything about that. i mean, had you lois learner taking the fifth. people taking plea deals. and they didn't really care at all, but all of a sudden, you know, mike flynn makes a phone call and all hell breaks loose. why is all of a sudden everybody in washington a investigative reporter? >> yeah. well, this is something you are going to have to learn, jesse, which is republicans tend to be very careful and
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sheepish when it comes to going after democrats for scandals and investigations. whereas democrats, i got to take my hat off to them. every moment of every day they try to make every republican feel like they are a criminal. think about this case. mike flynn is the victim. he was unmasked. and he was -- his identity was leaked to major news publications. and now it's the democrats saying somehow that mike flynn is the one who is the person who has committed, you know, has broken the law. it's ironic how they turn everything on its head. jes jess well, there is no evidence so far that has come out that he has broken any law. david, it seems to be funny that when hillary's associates all got immunity deals, and that was fine. but mike flynn casually asks for an immunity deal and all of the sudden a press brands him some criminal? don't you see a little bit of a double standard there? >> you know, this should not
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be a democrat or republican thing. this should be something that all americans care about. you know, the framers of our constitution were really worried about interference by foreign governments. that's why they put in the constitution protection so that foreign governments couldn't interfere in our democracy. that's at base what happened here. russia interfered in our election. now, for matt to say that flynn is a victim is unbelievable. flynn has said he wants immunity from prosecution. i mean, he is suggesting that he has committed crime answered wants immunity. >> that's not other people who have engaged from crime i that's why you ask for immunity. >> that's not true. >> jesse: if he was unmavericked, then he was the victim. that's hard to argue against. >> no. >> yes. you can't unmask someone. that's a criminal abuse of power. >> sorry, jesse, you are incorrect. >> jesse: no, i'm not. >> let me explain. if you are unmasked because you were in conversations with someone who was properly surveilled, like an
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agent of the russian government, which is what happened here, that is not improper. in fact, that's what the law requires. you unmask americans caught up in conversations. >> jesse: we don't know if he was unmasked appropriately and he was leaked to the mainstream media. >> he was leaked. that's exactly right. >> if he was leaked, then that may be a problem. >> jesse: if? >> if it was leaked? if it was leaked? it was leaked. >> jesse: matt, go ahead. >> it was leaked. let me explain something. >> jesse: david, david, let matt finished. >> the reason he wants immunity and i would want it if i were him as well, is because this is how he has been treated by our government. they have already committed unlawful acts against him, and he has a story to tell. in order to go to congress, he no longer has a trust factor with those who will be asking him the questions. and i don't blame him for having that lack of trust. and i think the american people would like some fairness here. >> jesse: david, let me -- >> -- you are living in a
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fantasy world. >> jesse: david, let me address that. >> immunity committed a crime and correspondent protection against being prosecuted. >> you're wrong. >> if people leaked that information and that was classified information, we should go after them, too. we need to go after both the leakers and the people who were unmasked who improperly and potentially engaged in treason against our country by dealing with the russians in a way that hurts our country's interests. >> jesse: david, hold on a second. there is no evidence there is treason, number one. number two, there is more evidence that the democratic party is in co-hoots with the media and these leakers than there is evidence that trump was in cahoots with the russians. it's all smoke. no fire. we haven't gotten to the bottom of any of this and the media doesn't care about the fact that there is potential abuse of power that president obama and holdover officials might have surveilled a president-elect and then illegally unmasked him and then leaked classified information to the press. to me, that seems like the juicier story. and instead of covering that
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it's a process crime now about when the house intelligence committee went to the white house, when did he go? who let him in? the real story to me assumes to be the abuse of power? >> the story that american people care about is whether a foreign power engaged in interference in our democracy. that's the most important story. that's the real threat to america. >> jesse: david, how many votes did the russians change on election day? how many votes did they change? answer the question. >> david, how many votes did the russians change on november 8th? >> the point is that. >> jesse: zero. >> zero. let me answer that jesse. we don't know that. >> jesse: obama and intelligence officials said that in open testimony. >> that's right. >> jesse: i will give you the last word. >> let me say real fast was if the russians tried to influence our elections. >> what do you mean if? 17 intelligence agencies in america said they did. there is no if anymore,
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matt. there is no if. >> they tried to influence and destabilize america every day of the calendar year. do you know whose fault that is? that is president obama's fault for leaving us vulnerable. let's really focus on what these investigations should be on and it's obama's failure. >> jesse: that's a good point it all happened under obama's watch, guys thank thank you very much. >> thank you. >> jesse: next on the rundown whether the whether the obama administration tried to undermine the trump white house. we will take a look at that in a moment. that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase. what would help is simply being able to recognize a fair price. truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want,
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>> jesse: in the impact segment tonight undermining president trump. amid the chaos surrounding the russia and wiretapping investigations, the white house is trying to highlight what the outgoing obama administration may have done to undercut the trump team. >> i think that the revelations of evelyn farkas, who played a senior
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role in the obama administration going on the record to talk about how they politically used classified information is troubling. day by day more and more we are seeing that the substance of what we have been talking about continues to move exactly in the direction the president spoke about in terms of surveillance that occurred. and that should be very troubling. >> jesse: for context, these are the remarks made by that obama staff earlier this month that sean spicer is referring to. >> i had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left. so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy that the trump folks if they found out how we knew what we knew about their -- the staff, the trump staff dealing with russians, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods, meaning we would no longer have access to that intelligence. so i became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open and i knew that there was more. we have very good intelligence on russia.
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so then i had talked to some of my former colleagues and i knew that they were trying to also help get information to the hill. >> a lot going on today. >> yeah. that's why you have the leaking. >> jesse: but in an interview with the daily caller yesterday, farkas said her comments have been misconstrued, stating that she was not in possession of intelligence about trump or his advisors. and she did not share any documents with congress. joining us now with reaction from richmond, virginia, fox news contributor charlie hurt. and from little rock, arkansas, general wesley clark, the former supreme allied commander of nato. so, general clark, boiling it down what far as it admitted to was that obama intelligence officials gathered information about trump and conversations he was having, scwirld those intelligence nuggets away, hiding them from the trump transition team. and then had people leak them, illegally leak them because it was classified to
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members of the media and democrats on capitol hill. does that bother you? >> well, honestly, i don't know what happened. i mean, i heard that statement. i saw stuff come out. but i also saw a lot of other things that confused me during that period. during that period i saw president-elect trump. it was as though he was already president. he was making statements. he was telling what he was going to do. he was trying to basically brush off the findings of the intelligence community that russia had interfered in the election. that was what stated. i think it is one of those ugly periods in the transition of presidential administrations. i think we ought to move on and put it behind it and look into the future. i mean, president trump has got some remarkable initiatives underway. some of them are very promising. i'm really excited about the national association of manufacturers saying that
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their sentiment is much higher that they are going to invest more and create new jobs. i know foreign countries are going to invest here. i think that's all great. i do think it's incumbent upon the american people and congress and executive branch and the federal bureau of investigation to get to the bottom of russia's interference in the election because that's something that is unprecedented. never happened before. jess yes, sir in a way. >> and we need to know what happened because we believe our electorate process. >> jesse: i think everybody wants to know what happened. i think there is a lot of innuendo floating around. it's pretty irresponsible. i would also agree that it was an ugly period, that transition, because you had former administration officials actively undermining a president-elect. charlie, there seems to be more and more evidence piling up day after day that there was an aggressive campaign to undermine the president-elect. have you seen it in the "new york times." you've seen it by farkas.
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this woman on msnbc. the leaks that have come out. there is a mounting evidence that this is happening. at what point does it become you know what? this is the story now. not so-called weird connections between trump and russia. >> and the current media environment, i don't know that it ever -- that that ever occurs. but it is truly amazing because as we pointed out, there are all of these unanswered questions. in fact, they haven't even been asked yet about the efforts to undermine the incoming -- the transition team and the incoming new president. if, indeed, and there is evidence to suggest that it has happened, look -- you know, see mike flynn. if, in fact, that is what happened, all of this business about a russian connections, murky connections by the way that have been exhaustively researched and investigated for months now, we now know, none of that pails in comparison to the idea that
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you have the most powerful espionage assets of the united states government being used by an administration to spy on a political opponent before, during, and after that political opponent wins the presidency. that is -- that is like on the level of constitutional crisis. that is a big reason why we have seen so much sort of unusual activity with devin nunes going to the white house, going to the white house to see things, going to the white house to brief the president. it's because we have never been here before. and anybody who has seen movies like the edward snowden movie, you know, about all of the massive collection that goes on, anybody who has the slightest concern about that, they do care about this. they care about that a whole lot more than they care about russian connection he is. because this has to do with the integrity of our intelligence community and the ability of us to not be
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spied on by our own government. >> jesse: exactly. it's not just about the integrity did i of the election which we know now was not rigged in trump's favor by the russians. it's about the abuse of power potentially by an administration against an incoming administration. general, real quick, just to wrap this up. the motivation, do you think so if indeed this did happen, is this just obama officials caught by surprise at the trump victory and trying to salvage his legacy knowing they are shut out of power in the house, the senate, and the white house? that's got to be motivation if you were to speculate. >> there are so many things that you have covered here. that it is really difficult to take it apart. but lit's put it this way. first of all, the russia connection has not been exhaustively investigated. secondly, that would be a constitutional crisis if we had an election system that a foreign power could come in and influence effectively. that also a not yet been
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exhaustively run down. every transition has its rough spots. and every transition is different than the other. i remember in the 1980 transition there were concerns that ronald reagan was undercutting the effort to get the hostages out of iran here's what's different about this transition. president-elect trump said he didn't trust the intelligence community. and so next. >> jesse: would you trust the intelligence community if they were potentially unmasking your associates and then leaking things to the mainstream media? i wouldn't trust them. >> first of all "the washington times" has lived off the leaks from intelligence community. >> jesse: so has the "new york times" and so has "the washington post. and that's why they don't care. >> on the line. >> jesse: about these leaks because they are making money off of them. >> for the intelligence community. >> jesse: i know. >> i believe in the mental and women who serve our country.
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>> jesse: i do too. have you to admit. >> bottom of the russian connection first. >> going on. [talking at the same time] >> i agree but it's about russia. >> jesse: up next, attorney general jeff sessions tells the factor he will aggressively go after leakers. but how? that debate right after this. aleve pm for a better am. dear freshpet, zooka had digestive problems and wouldn't eat. then i fed him freshpet. with e*trade's powerful trading tools, right at your fingertips, you have access to in-depth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it.
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>> jesse: in the unresolved problem segment tonight, bringing leakers to justice. last night on the factor bill o'reilly pressed attorney general jeff sessions about the effort to hold leakers to account. >> the leakers in the various agencies, federal agencies, you guys zeroing in on them? do you think you are going to have some indictments shortly? >> i expect that we'll get to the bottom of some of this. this is not right. we've never seen this kind of leaking. we've never seen -- it's
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almost as if people think they have a right to violate the law. and this has got to end. and probably will take some convictions to put an ends to it. >> bill: do you foresee indictments shortly. >> well, i won't predict that. i would just say that i take that very seriously. >> jesse: joining us now to analyze from palm springs, california, ric grenell, former u.s. spokesman at the u.n. and from washington, democratic strategist richard good stein. rick, i'm sick and tired of hearing the trump administration vowing to go after leakers. they have been doing it since january, february. now it's the end of march. when are they going to get a leaker and get an indictment and make an example out of someone? because it's going to continue if it doesn't happen. >> yeah. look. we're in a crisis mode here. we have the intelligence community has been permeated bipartisans on both sides. let's be very honest. both sides are guilty. they were leaking to the
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media to make president obama look good. now the others are trying to leak to make president trump look bad. we've got to stop this. this is serious. and i think what the attorney general has to do is go after the supply. not the demand. and what i mean by that is go after the leakers who promised to hold intel close and not share it. when they do share it, they're breaking the law. we should not go after journalists. they are the ones who receive the information and there is nothing wrong with that. that's their job. i wouldn't prosecute any journalists. and, by the way. that means the media are not going to help us highlight the leakers. going to do everything they can to keep that supply coming. so it's really important that the government crack down, find the leakers which they can easily do. you can figure out who pulled up that intel. who prints it. who pushes it out. and they should find that out and prosecute that person and those individuals
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to the fullest extent of the law immediately. >> jesse: i'm glad you don't want to throw journalists in jail. that warms my heart. richard, don't you think that the obama people are setting a very dangerous precedent here. that in transitions of power which are supposed to be peaceful. if you are leaving behind antagonist holdovers and people willing to break the law and leak classified information to undermine a president-elect. i mean, it was one thing for clinton people to rip a w off a keyboard in 2001. but this is serious stuff. don't you agree? >> yeah. jesse, the trump campaign had leak problems. his speech at the republican convention was leaked out. do you think that was obama holdovers? look, anybody who. >> jesse: what speech was leaked out beforehand? i think rerelease excerpts to the media beforehand so we can tease it up. >> to your viewers google trump campaign and leaks and
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see what i'm talking about. it's not just something that they put out voluntarily, okay? >okay. >> jesse: okay. >> the fact of the matter is trump could have fired every single quote holdover that he wanted and i will say this, this whole focus on is the single biggest misdirection in america. >> jesse: you said something i just want to address it. you are saying that president trump knows whose leaking and is refusing to fire them? is that what you are saying? >> i'm saying this leak investigation talk is the single biggest misdirection ever because what we have on one hand is 17 intelligence agencies saying the russians subverted u.s. democracy. had you trump. >> jesse: whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not what they said. how did they subvert the democracy? did any vote change? no. >> no. listen, if it didn't matter, why would donald trump 100 times on the stump say how he loved wikileaks? julian assange was revial. >> jesse: because it was juicy.
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everybody loved hearing about chelsea not getting along with everybody. rick, let me ask you a quick question because we are kind of tight for time. the democrats have no power. the house, the senate, the white house, it's all republican now. it seems to me that these leakers are now teaming up with the press. they're the official democratic party opposition now. >> yeah. look, i though it's a big problem. i want to go back to the point though that anyone who leaks is breaking the law. and richard should not minimize that. mock that or kid kuehl that that is a breaking of the law. you may benefit as a democrat for some these leaks. it's a slippery slope when the puck republicans then take over the intel agencies and they start leaks. i want to stop of a awful these leaks. the. >> the fact is these leakers. >> i don't know. >> jesse: didn't i indict listen, guys, we have got to
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terms. but the freedom caucus and its allies are not backing down. >> the freedom caucus is doing what's best for america. they're very principled and honorable men. and i think that we're trying to also let republicans know that if we pass something bad, if insurance rates are going up and 20, 250% a year from now, after republicans have taken ownership of healthcare, that won't be good for the party. >> jesse: some conservative political observers don't think the president's battle with the caucus is good for the party either. >> i think it is really, really unhelpful to donald trump's ultimate agenda to slam the very people who are going to be propping up his border wall. all the things he wants to do on immigration, on trade. >> jesse: joining us now to analyze from washington, to weigh in lena epstein, former co-chair for the trump campaign in michigan along with republican strategist reena shaw. so, reena, conservative
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principles, i guess let obamacare live. >> oh, come on. you guess? obamacare has to live on right now because there was no thoughtful, nicely well done approach to dismanhattan links it. this was hard and fast. it was going to be rammed down the throats of the representative. you know what? frankly it was the best thing paul ryan did to cancel that vote. >> jesse: you believe keeping obamacare in place is a positive thing even though if it's going to happen for the next year or possibly two? >> for now it is because there hasn't been a proper approach to really fixing the issues. middle class families have suffered under obamacare, i get it, i know so. they see rising peopl premiums. we have so. to tackle. it can't be done in the middle of the night and done with ultimatums issued from the white house. >> jesse: i understand. lena, when you talk about blame going around. >> it wasn't just the freedom caucus.
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the white house pressed it up. paul ryan messed it up. they didn't have a will that satisfied everybody. they rushed it through and they had to pull it because it wasn't ready everybody shares out blame, not just the freedom caucus here, correct? >> i couldn't disagree more. i think that good let ring rhetoric does not always translate into good policy. a plot of folks on the campaign trail made promises to their constituents that didn't have a legislative path when it comes to healthcare. that's not president trump's fault. i did he did a very brave and by postponing the. in the end we will be judged as a party on our ability to come together. there is no such thing, rina in perfection in this system. it is highly highly imperfect. we have americans with very, very differing needs when it come to healthcare. it's going to be messy. >> thoughtful and methodical is. >> we are going to have to come together, and i
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understand behind president trump and his efforts to do so. >> jesse: reena, let me asking you question. if trump is now going to target them and say we are going to get behind a primary opponent. in the primary opponent run its against freedom caucus guy said my opponent allowed obamacare to live, do you think that's going to be effective? yes or no? >> the reality is how are they going to find primary challengers more conservative than these people already? this is about 40 people in the house right now. they change from people like mark sanford in south carolina to mo brooks down south. we see southern members, right? they are moderates hated what was going on with this aca as well. this is uniformly disliked. 17% of americans and we have heard the stat over and over did not like this american healthcare act. thoughtful and methodical. president gets that. >> right. >> does nothing for him.
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>> maybe it was a good thing for this bill to go down. only 70% of the country liked it. hindsight is 20/20. >> nobody will get elected in a conservative position without a solid healthcare we form. the president needs to be on the side of the party. >> jesse: now we can watch it go down the toilet. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> the battle with evangelist,s force them to pave a real price for defying immigration law? stay tuned. retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
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this is truecar. ♪ >> "the o'reilly factor," the number one cable news show for 16 years and counting. >> jesse: thank you for staying with us for this very special edition of the o'reilly factor, america divided. i'm jesse watters in for bill o'reilly. and in the factor follow-up segment tonight, punishing sanctuary cities. last night on the factor bill o'reilly explained why he thinks is what is going to come down for jurisdiction defying the federal government? >> bill: make sanctuary cities apply with federal law the trump administration will now withhold money from them in the form of justice department grants. that means cities like seattle, which received millions of dollars to beef up local law enforcement and institute safety programs may no longer get that
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money, which is why seattle is suing. whole thing is a giant mess and reflects the huge division in this country. will sanctuary cities be forced to comply in doubtful, but they will pay a price. >> jesse: the trump administration isn't alone in taking a hard line on sanctuary cities. greg abbott is preparing one of the harshest crackdowns in the country. >> we have been pushing a piece of legislation in texas that is going to pass that i will be signing into law that imposes even sterner penalties on counties. it will include things such as further defunding them. it will impose fines and could impose jail time for these sheriffs to enforce the laws. oddly enough, these sheriffs could wind up behind the very bars they're releasing these criminals from. >> jesse: joining us now from washington with reaction alfonso aguilar, the president of the latino partnership for conservatives. and from los angeles radio talk show host ethan
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behrman. so, ethan, if the job of a sheriff is to keep people in jail, and then the sheriff releases people from jail, isn't that basically aiding and abetting a prison escape? >> well, i mean, if he is releasing them when he doesn't have proper dispensation to do so, such as somebody hasn't served their time or whatever else, but the sheriff does not have to do the job of ice. and it's actually very funny to listen to conservatives on this one because it was their very own beloved justice antonin scalia who wrote the majority opinion in 1997 in prince v. united states that says the federal government in no way can force sheriffs to do the work of the federal government. >> jesse: but that is not what is happening in texas. the governor, a state official is telling a local official what to do. the feds don't have anything to do with that so that analogy is bogus.
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alfonso, if the law enforcement community was refusing to enforce laws on abortion or guns or drugs, there would be a huge uproar, don't you think? >> i think so. and, look. this issue is being politicized. this is common sense i agree with president trump and governor abbott. what they are trying to do, tell local law enforcement, if they detain is somebody who has a criminal serious record they should refer them toe federal authorities. why would anyone be against that? i don't know. look what happened to kate steinle. this guy had a serious criminal record. i was a felon. and the san francisco police department refused to hand over this individual to federal authorities. that's ridiculous. so i believe that we have to be very strong. we want to get criminals
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out. and i don't know why would anyone would oppose that. >> jesse: ethan, why duo pose keeping criminal illegal aliens in prison? >> i don't. and actually you are completely misrepresenting exactly what happened with the kate steinle case. that isn't what happened. they didn't refuse to keep him in prison. they released him when the court ordered to them to release him. >> jesse: no that is not what happened. ice tried to slap a detainer on them and keep him there so they could then detain him and issue deportation proceedings. >> justin scalia said. >> jesse: they defied that order and let him out. that's what happened in san francisco and that's why kate steinle is dead. >> they don't have to listen to the federal government. they don't have to do the federal expwrums want job. that's the not what scalia is about. if greg abbott wants to top down on sheriffs beating illegals out.
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>> ethan is not answering the question. why don't you want local police, state police to individuals with serious criminal records to federal authorities? why what is the problem with that? why is that such a big issue? we should be united on this issue? why such an issue for you? >> jesse: ethan, 15 seconds. last word. go ahead. >> i don't have an issue with referring violent criminals to federal authorities for deportation. but that's not generally what is going on. we have very specific individual examples that we're talking about. but overall, you're talking about greg app. bottom of course has control over sheriffs. >> jesse: ethan, if it were daughter i think you would have a different opinion about sanctuary cities. we have got to run. as a reminder don't forget to pick up bill's book "old school life in the sane lane." best seller. available online and in stores now. factor podcast with robert samuel. bill o'reilly himself is the
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>> jesse: in the back of the book segment tonight, the biggest story of the week there were quite a few to choose from. last week we asked bob cusack of the hill newspaper and aaron pike of the independent journal review to make their predictions. they are back tonight and joining us from washington. aaron erin, let's start with you. what did you predict and what did you think the biggest story was going to be? >> well, i predicted that it would be the investigation from the house and senate intelligence committees and
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i think i was right about that. everything that happened with devin nunes. [[applause] >> you are clapping, thank you. i can't even keep straight what happened last week with what happened this week at this point. so much is happening every single day, i think mike flynn obviously last night that report that from the "wall street journal" that he was going to seek immunity to testify was going to overtake announce. who know what is is going to take up next week that took up so much of the oxygen this week every single day at the white house briefing and really topped all the newscasts. >> jesse: i'm surprised trump didn't tweet something out that was totally off the reservation and throw everybody off that story line. bob, what did you predict? were you right or not? >> surprisingly i'm going to say i was right. i predicted there would be fallout from the lack of passing the obamacare bill last week. and the party would be divided and here we speaking
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of tweeting. president trump tweeting at the freedom caucus. there is all this tension. we don't know what they're going to do next. a lot of drama. i agree with erin's intel story was big. now it's the agenda. what goes on. it's a show. >> jesse: you believe the agenda has ground to a halt and you think that was the biggest story this week the obamacare fallout because every time i turned on the tv it was about this intelligence fiasco. you know, it's funny that it's now become a process story and the press is so concerned about the integrity of this investigation i do remember when the state department investigated the bengals scandal and they never even interviewed hillary clinton. and that investigation was supposed to be the most perfect investigation of all time now all the sudden nunes is a bad guy. doesn't seem to be completely honest what's going on in the press corps. >> i think some of the
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coverage of the intel situation has been overkill. i do think. this intel world. we don't know really what's going on. that's why the investigations are ongoing. and the fbi doesn't actually, when they're interviewing people, they don't record it which i found very odd when the fbi interviewed hillary clinton in 2016. so i think sometimes you can't trust what we're watching on television. >> jesse: except when you watch the factor. >> of course. >> jesse: erin, right now quickly. every time i look at the news, it is where did nunes go? did he go to the white house? did they let limb into the white house? what does it mean? why do we care? >> that is something that sean spicer was trying to get into today that the dates don't matter and the process doesn't matter and who let him in doesn't matter. it's the substance. we don't know what the substance even is we think that is a big deal too. right now you have the white house saying that the incidental collection of these other names and unmasking of these names is
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a bigger story than russia potentially tampering with the election. we are not even getting into the substance of those two stories because we are so focused on these processes. i will say to bob's point. >> jesse: yeah, quickly. >> healthcare coming off the agenda is a big story because, also, the russia investigation is taking over everything on the agenda. ther they can't get tax reform as quickly as they like and infrastructure. >> jesse: i feel like i'm living in moscow every time-turn on the television. stick around when we return after a quick break we want to talk about what's going to happen next week and they're going to make some predictions. ♪ ♪ aluminum fish fryer. merrell men's trailwik waterproof hikers for under $90 ifover time it canr fromlead to cavities and bad breath. that's why there is biotene,
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if you see president trump taking squats at china on his twitter feed a week whereas rex tillerson visited china two weeks ago, he talked about a relationship based on mutual respect and cooperation. when i talk to him, he wants to have a friendly, cordial relationship with china and turn them from rivals to an ally. i don't think that is what we are hearing from donald trump. who knows how this visit is going to go? >> jesse: what you think you will serve for dinner at mar a lago? >> i have no idea. >> jesse: do think they will play golf down there? >> he sure does like to play golf, he did play golf when he went to mar a lago and hosted
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the japanese president. >> jesse: what you see is a big story next weekend? >> the intel and russia and this big question about michael flynn. will he be granted immunity? that'll be the big story heading into next week and the question of can devin nunes survive? every day there seems be a new revelation that does not look good for him. mostly republicans are backing nunes except walter jones, a congressman from north carolina. he is not on nunes' side. the g.o.p. is standing behind him and that means he probably will survive unless something new comes out. >> jesse: why can't he say no, i won't step down? no one is forcing him to. >> you can't unless the speaker applies political pressure. i think they're getting nervous about how much attention this is getting. they want to focus on policy and it is difficult to do so right now. >> jesse: republicans in
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capitol hill usually do cave to pressure either by democrats or the media. i predict nunes will have to step down because these guys never stand tall when stuff hits the fan. i do want to pitch to o'reilly doing a "watters' world" in mar-a-lago. i want to cover the chinese president summit. what they are doing, what they are eating. i'm very fascinated with that mar-a-lago diplomacy. what do you think will come out of that? >> honestly, sean spicer was asked why hasn't donald trump labeled china a currency manipulator as he planned to do right after taking office? sean said i really don't have anything to tell you on that. two months already. >> jesse: he will say you are a currency manipulator, now let's go. thank you. watch and all new "watters'
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world" 8:00 eastern. bill o'reilly stops everything. you should tune in. thank you for watching the special edition of "the factor," america divided. in for bill o'reilly. always her member, i am watters and this is my world. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." at the left is on the attack this evening. across the country they are demanding the immigration laws no longer apply in schools, hospitals, or churches. meanwhile, a college student was punished by professor for using the n and that word. mankind. here in washington, democrats continuing to pound on devin nunes accusing him of being a stooge of the trump administration for reviewing documents that suggest the obama administration spied on trump and his associates. sean spicer bla
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