into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid. it's good to be back. first 100 days hosted by dana perino tonight starts right now. >> dana: breaking tonight, president obama's top security official, susan rice, breaks her silence on her role in unmasking american citizens as she faces increasing calls from lawmakers to testify in an open congressional hearing. i'm dana perino in for martha maccallum. this is day 75 of the first 100 days. susan rice is now facing her own big reveal after two days of reports confirm she was the obama era official who ordered raw intelligence to name names. now miss rice is denying she ever leaked those names but argues that the process of unmasking was well within her pursue as the national security advisor. >> i received those reports as did each of those other officials. and there were occasions when i would receive a

report in which a u.s. person was referred to. name not provided. just u.s. person. and sometimes in that context, in order to understand the importance of the report, and assess its significance, it was necessary to find out or request the information as to who that u.s. official was. >> dana: knows words standing in opposition to her answer on the unmasking issue just two weeks ago after house intelligence chairman devin nunes announced the trump transition team members had been exposed. >> i know nothing about this. i was surprised to see reports from chairman nunes on that count. i really don't know to what chairman nunes was referring, but he said whatever he was referring to was a legal, lawful, surveillance, and that it was potentially incidental collection on american

citizens. >> dana: charles krauthammer is here to weigh in on tonight's developments in just mommy's. first we turn to chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with the latest tonight from washington. catherine? >> dayna, rice says it's about security and not politics. today she offered no national security explanation for identifying at least one member of the trump team and a republican lawmaker said late today that if a connection can be drawn between rice, the unmasking, and the leaks, president obama's national security advisor could be in a world of trouble. a former senior intelligence official confirmed to fox news that only the person who asked for an american to be identified gets the information. and rice will be well aware that there is a comprehensive government paper trail showing who made the request and on what basis. government source tells fox news that the story may go well beyond rice, claiming former presidential aide ben rhodes and former cia director john brennan also had access to the unmasked intelligence. the house speaker said today that he stands behind the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee devin nunes who first alerted the white house and briefed the president before

democrats about the intelligence report that did not relate to russia. >> chairman nunes has my confidence. i've met with the committee. they have my confidence. this -- it's what is important is that this committee does its investigation, on a bipartisan basis to get to the bottom of things and go investigate all things russia. >> the house intelligence committee's ranking democrat issued this statement, not commenting on the con dent of the intelligence reports, but family sizing that unmasking in his experience is not unusual. dana? >> dana: well, one thing that is a little unusual in my experience, at least, is that the national security advisor is usually somebody that you never hear about. but in the last two administrations, first with secretary -- i'm sorry ambassador rice and then you had mike flynn, they are well-known figures in this. how unusual is that in washington? >> well, i think if you point to the issue of susan rice, what you see is that she took on a very public role off and on very politically charged issues. she was the bern wh person who s

forward leaning and all the national broadcasts with the administration's explanation about what happened in the benghazi terrorist attack which turned out to be very flawed, largely through the reporting of fox news. she also went on television to take on the swap of bowe bergdahl for the taliban five and she said he bowe bergdahl had served with honor and distinction and that was football to be false as well. so susan rice took on a very public role and she also took on issues that were highly, politically charged. and we also saw that with as a former national security advisor mike flynn. so you are right. this really is a sea change in terms of this position which has largely been operating in the shadows. >> dana: i noticed that the new nsa director jen mcmaster is well behind the scenes. my last question to you a couple weeks i asked you how is washington defining expeditiously when it talks about finishing these investigations. do you have any more clarity on that tonight? >> i still think we are looking at at least a year to 18 month before there is

any resolution. i also believe that it will be highly unlikely that we will see a bipartisan report or final report. there will be a dissenting view on the house side. there may be some agreement on the senate side. but the more we kind of pick at the scab of this story for a lack of a better phrase, i think the more difficult it will be to reach consensus. >> dana: all right, thank you, catherine. >> you're welcome. >> dana: joining me with his thoughts dr. charles krauthammer a fox news corinth tore. what did you make of the developments today? last week had the news that michael flynn would be offering to testify in exchange for immunity. that got wall-to-wall media coverage. this is actually very significant development. sort of down played in some quarters. what did you make of it? >> well, you're right about the down play. the networks have essentially ignored it. i think in the "new york times" it appeared on page a-16. the reason is they are not interested. the mainstream media, and democrats. that's sort of redundant.

are not interested in this line of inquiry. they only want to talk about the collusion story which is a legitimate story or allegations. although there has been no evidence to date. they are not interested in this story about the improper use of intelligence. which is equally important. it's worth investigating. i think the problem for rice is, nuclea number one that she totally appears to be contradicting herself when she said a couple weeks ago i know nothing about this. it appears to be an outright lie in contradiction. i suspect she'll wiggle around it by being ambiguous about the word what the word this was. very clinttonian. it depends on what is. so, on that, she can probably escape. but the other issue is why was she asking and what possible national security interest did she have in uncovering whatever names she uncovered, unmasked? and i think until we have answers to that, we're not going to know the extent of

this impropriety. if it was for national security reasons, possible. i don't quite see how that would be. then this is perfectly legitimate. but she is not an investigator. she's a political operative. she works on behalf of the president. and if it can be shown that this was a political fishing expedition, then she is in a world of hurt. >> dana: the way we have seen this story unfold is that every day, you know, if you are on one side of this or the other, on any given day, you can feel like your side is winning. but what is the national toll on the psyche of the american people that really want to see some things get done or maybe if you are in the resist movement you want to see some things get blocked. if this is the kind of thing we are talking about and as catherine just said we are looking at another year to 18 months of this. what does that do to the american people's trust in the system? >> i think that's one of the casualties. the other casualty is it's

not just what's happening in congress. what may or may not get passed. the world around us is in deep trouble. we've got craziness in north korea. we've got the chinese on the march in the south china sea. the russians are on the march all the time. we have these atrocities in syria. and, yet, we seem to be now accommodating ourselves to the regime that just committed the atrocity. and, of course, we have iran extending its influence all throughout the middle east. the world is on fire. and we are chasing rabbit holes here. i'm not sure if we are going to find anything of importance on the collusion issue. yes, of course the russians intervened but on collusion what's the evidence? and what exactly would it mean for there to have been collusion? and as to the impropriety of the releases, i suspect we will find one or two instances. i suspect also this is just a guess since we really don't know, but the idea of

a vast conspiracy is unlikely. you and i have been here for many, many years. i always assume that incompetence and not conspiracy. because if you believe in conspiracy, you're giving these guys too much credit. they couldn't organize a two-car funeral. >> dana: i have to say used to accuse president bush all sorts of things. i thought they gave us way too much credit. >> exactly. anybody who has been on the inside knows that conspiracies are extremely rare and very difficult to pull off. >> dana: thank you, dr. krauthammer, i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> dana: susan rice told nothing. "wall street journal" said there is no obvious need to unmask trump campaign officials other than political cure as city. mike temperature rant rand the former director under president bush and julie roginski. michael, let me start with you. you wrote about the fire wall and that ha it had been

breached. what do you mean by that. >> fire wall national security information and particularly information collected on american citizens and our domestic political processes. and information that comes into the white house about american citizens isn't supposed to be used politically. and susan rice said it wasn't. we know that's not true. we know it's not true because of the leak about michael flynn to david ignatius of "the washington post on january 12th. somebody in the white house or a senior administration official, according to ignatius told him about those conversations with kisdiskisskissly ache. that is patently political motive for that leak. >> dana: what about today, julie when susan rice speaks to andrea mitchell ate msnbc, she said well, look, this was well within my job. but, yet, just two weeks ago she said she didn't know anything about the unmasking. how does she square that circle? >> well, it could be

potentially part of her job, dana, if, in fact, we have one administration at a time you know this, you worked in one. and even during a transition period, if somebody is undermining it existing foreign policy, especially on, for example, sanctions, in the obama administration as they did, place sanctions on the russians and then somebody was speaking to the russians from the trump transition about don't worry about it, once we're in we're going to address those sanctions and make sure they are not in place or in some other way, that becomes problematic because, as you know, we have one foreign policy at a time regardless of who wins an election on january 20th 2456789 could be one reason. to me this was such a diversionary tactic. you had the president of the united states donald trump going out and accusing barack obama of wiretapping him. and now it seems like everybody is running around trying to fit that theory. trying to fit that square peg into a round hole. he victimized barack obama by saying. this now for some reason we are trying to make him the victim. where in fact he said something that was completely disproven and has never been backed up by

anybody. >> dana: michael, let me ask you about that. because, actually, if not for that tweet by president trump that one saturday morning that we all remember so well, might we have ever learned any of this? >> well, i think when it's all done we are going to look back and say that tweet really changed the narrative and changed the direction. although we did spend a couple of weeks after it, you know, thinking about tom cruise falling from or being suspended from ceilings with microphones. but, and that's not what it is. it really is, i think the focus is going to be much more on this question of incidental collection and how it was used. i was really struck by catherincatherine herridge's ret when she said ben rhodes one of the people that had access though this information. i mean you, as a white house communicator, you know, why do you need to know what american officials are showing up in -- i mean, ben rhodes, who is the deputy national security advisor for strategic communication. his job is to talk to the american people. why does he need to know what americans are showing

up in this intelligence? >> dana: julie, do you think we will hear from anybody else? susan rice spoke today. now we have actually the senate and house intel committees both saying that they would like to have her come up and talk to them. will we hear from anybody else? final word. >> look, i have said for a very long time we need an independent probe into this. charles krauthammer is absolutely right. it's gotten way too toxic. we need a respected bipartisan coalition of people whoever they may be. i don't know who they would be. maybe tom kaine and lee hamilton, again, people who did the 9/11 commission to get to the bottom of this. i think we are all, republicans and democrats, need to know exactly what went on with respect to raush, maybe nothing, maybe something big. i think it's time we get to the bottom of it and leave politics out of it. charles is right et world is on fire we need to make sure the a russians are not going to continue this with us or our allies going forward. >> dana: thank you some. appreciate it up next you won't see et susan rice developments anywhere else

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>> dana: breaking tonight. as we learn new revelations about the susan rice unmasking story, some in the media seem to lack the basic journalistic curiosity about the more troubling as specketaspectsrevealed in the r. here is how one network decided to report opt news. >> this is one story spartanly wind up on this distraction. >> we will not insult your intelligence by pretending otherwise. nor will we aid and abet the other people trying to misinform you, the american people, by creating a

diversion. >> president trump wants you to believe he is the victim of a crooked scheme. those are his words. here are our words. there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. >> dana: molly hemway editor and democratic strategist. let me ask you robert, do you remember last week when michael flynn's lure said he was willing to testify in exchange for aimmunity. that was significant news development that warranted the coverage that it got? >> of course it did. general flynn was saying just a few months ago anyone who requests immunity is obviously guilty as did president trump. so clearly it showed his hypocrisy. >> dana: worth covering about this revelation that susan rice who two weeks ago said she did not have any knowledge of this and then now she is confirming that, in fact, oh, yes, of course it was in her pursue to do that. is that not news. >> it's not news dana, because that's not what she

said. she said she had no knowledge of chairman nunes' commentary and accusation. let's remember chairman nunes himself has retreacketted his comments and apologized to his committee for his conduct. >> dana: no, no. he apologized for not sharing it with them before he talked to the media. >> claims whistleblower gave him information. when in fact it was white house staff. >> dana: that wasn't inartful. do you get my point? if i can get molly in here. >> she was commenting on chairman nunes accusation. >> no question absolutely massive story that any decent journalist should be focused on and really getting to the bottom of. there are hundreds, if not thousands of questions about why susan rice unmasked this information. you know, when she was unmasking it? >> that's a false statement, molly. >> did she disseminate the information as well? is there any tie between this and the campaign. >> that's fake news, dana. >> i understand susan rice said things and has reputation for dishonesty

and being careful how she parses things. >> molly, that doesn't give you the right to recite fake news. >> dana: how is it fake. >> susan rice cannot unmask anyone. she can request. >> she requested the unmasking. that in itself o requesting the unmasking is very rare thing for someone in her position to do. >> let's get the story straight. >> dana: robert, let her finish. >> the fact that the request did not help elsewhere from places where investigations actually take place. that the unmavericked information deal with politics and not active investigations these are all questions that journalists should be getting to the 3w09 of before they decide not to cover the story. >> molly. >> the media should be covering this story not covering it up. >> molly, your statement is false on so many fronts. let's first understand susan rice's request is extremely routine as national security advisor. >> even more alarm going they were to say. >> let me finish my point, dana? dana, may i finish my point? >> dana: molly, let's let him finish. >> her request, according to republicans and democrats on the congress is perfectly

legal. perfectly routine. the more important point is while she can request that the person be unmasked, it's unto the nsa director or the fbi director to grant that request. so, unless you want to argue there is a political conspiracy by our national security advisor -- administrator or our fbi director and carry the lie further, let's understand this is nothing more than distracting from the fact that donald trump got caught in a lie, which republicans and democrats all agree he has shown no evidence for when he claimed he was wiretapped at trump tower. >> dana: molly, where do you think this goes. >> according to the media themselves there has been widespread cleaning situation involving intelligence officials throughout the obama administration. learning that this goes as deep as the white house is something that should be interesting to journalists, not something to cover up. >> it shouldn't be created and manipulated. that's why hats off to chris cuomo, don lemon and jim for reporting actual, nag actual news. >> dana: that's why he were invited here to talk about real news which we did. still ahead the trump administration working on

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♪ >> dana: it was in november 2013 that democrats in the senate led by harry reid forever changed the rules of the chamber by lowering the threshold for filibusters. mr. reid at the time dismissed questions about republicans using similar tactics. >> aren't you worried that republican also get rid of the filibuster on the supreme court anyway. >> let them do it? why in the world would we care? we were prying to protect everybody. they want simple majority? fine. i mean, all these threats about we're going to change the rules more? as senator chuck schumer said, what is the choice? continue like we are or have democracy? >> dana: but now that shoe is on the other foot. senator chuck schumer crying foul at the very prospect that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will deploy the nuclear option to confirm neil gorsuch on the supreme court. joining me now is senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. sir, i imagine this is

something that you did not necessarily want to do but you are prepared to do because the groundwork for this has been laid years ago? >> yeah, dana. interestingly enough, until senator chuck schumer, now the democratic leader of the senate in effect convinced everybody that filibuster is against executive branch appointments were okay, this is the way we did it. for 230 years, up or down, simple majority votes for supreme court, cabinet, everything, until chuck schumer invented it. so, it's a fairly recent thing to filibuster executive branch appointments. the democrats got frustrated after they invented this. and broke the rules of the senate, as you indicated four years ago to lower the threshold for everything except the supreme court. all we'll do, faced with this filibuster is even that up so that the supreme court confirmation process is dealt with just like it was throughout the history of the country down until bush

43 got elected. >> dana: so, senator chuck schumer actually said on the floor of the senate today that when it comes to what your part in this had been is that what the majority leader did to merrick garland by denying him even a vote and a hearing is even worse than a filibuster. how do you respond to that? because you made a tough decision in january or maybe it wasn't a tough decision but it was a consequential decision in january of 2016 to not allow merrick garland a vote in that election year. are they then surprised by the election result so, surprised that they are not able to actually revoke gorsuch and getting his vote? >> well, look, merrick garland is not before the senate. let's talk about that for a minute. everybody knew that if there had been a republican president and a democratic senate during the presidential election they wouldn't have filled the vacancy either. >> dana: absolutely. >> in fact, joe biden when

he was chairman of the judiciary committee in 1992, a presidential election year, republican president, democratic senate, said that if a vacancy occurred they wouldn't fill it. so, look, everybody knew that vacancy was not going to be filled in the middle of a presidential election year. but merrick garland was last year. this is about neil gorsuch. he is the one before the senate. this is the first year of a four-year term of a new president. we dealt with two supreme court nominees and bill clinton's first term, two supreme court nominees in barack obama's first term. my party was in the minority both times. no filibusters. no filibusters. simple majority. >> dana: nominees in bush's second term as i recall. let me also ask you, sir, about then going forward. because as i understand it you said you have the votes to invoke this nuclear option, correct? >> well, we are going to confirm judge neil gorsuch on friday. exactly how that occurs, i guess, will expen depend on the democratic friends.

>> dana: do you think the democratic friends will change their mind. >> it doesn't appear that way. it looks like they are pretty much locked in. >> dana: if they won't even confirm somebody like neil gorsuch who even a former obama administration official said is really the best you are going to get. he will be a wonderful supreme court justice, what does that mean about getting democratic cooperation on anything else when it comes to the president's agenda, including tax reform? healthcare, or even the government shutdown that the democrats are threatening in april? >> well, right now i think they are responding to their base, which says resist everything. it's particularly ridiculous to watch it on 2k3wu67 because there are no good arguments to vote against gulch, none whatsoever. look, dana, i think later in the year the fever will break. there is business that we need to do for the american people hopefully an infrastructure bill. we have to decide in late april how to fund the government. that's something that will require bipartisan cooperation. so, i hope after they get

back from the april recess the fever will have broken and everybody will get back to normal here. >> dana: well, as usual, as you titled your book you take the long view in these things. senator, if i could get your quick thoughts on former national security advisor susan rice. there's a number of your fellow republicans in the senate, including a couple on the intelligence committee say they want her to appear before that committee for questions over her role in the potential unmasking of trump associates. watch this. >> did she ask clap tore unmasking of trump transition figures. if she did i want to know why. >> i believe she should be called as a witness by the senate intelligence has been conducting an investigation as you know into the russian activities leading up to the election. >> susan rice should be part of the investigation. >> do you share their sentiments, sir, that she should come and testify and say what she knows? >> yeah, look. i have asked the intelligence committee, senator burr, senator warner to conduct a bipartisan investigation of this whole episode.

they will conduct it. hopefully at the end we will find out what happened and they will issue a report i hope on a bipartisan basis. and anything related to susan rice or any of these other suggestions will be handled by the intelligence committee and we look forward to receiving their report about what happened. >> dana: all right. senator mcconnell, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> that i think, dana. >> dana: in less than 30 minutes, republican also huddle on capitol hill in an attempt to resurrect the healthcare bill a new report tonight suggests members of the g.o.p. represent just one of six groups making the president's job more difficult. we'll fill you in on hot other five are next. plus, attorney general jeff sessions ordered that all police reform agreements ordered under former president obama be immediately reviewed. >> we will once again be a country of law and order. [cheers and applause] and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2.

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late one. the white house meeting with the warring factions inside the g.o.p. with the hopes of salvaging the failed healthcare bill and, according to the website 5:38, it isn't just a g.o.p. president trump needs to apiece they note 6 degrees of trump opposition that include the bureaucracy, the courts, democrats in congress, the public, the media and as we mentioned republicans in congress. senior political writer and analyst for 538 and joshua kraushaar is editor for the national journal. when you think about opposition how strong is any one entity in that list? >> i don't think any of one of that is that. stronger than any of the others. i think trump facing so many different opponents makes it extremely difficult to get the legislation he wishes to get passed through the congress. >> dana: josh, let me ask you, because i think it was last week because i read your columns and i think i got this one. maybe it was yesterday. you talked about there are

basically three camps of republicans. can you explain what you mean by that? >> yeah. well, as harry pointed out in his piece, one of the big problems for trump right now is that he is not uniting the republican party. you see the party being divided with its more establishment ring and the freedom caucus which is giving the administration plenty of administrative troubles. and having a political impact, too. the most important factor for trump right now is getting that republican party united. he has control of the house, senate and clearly the presidency. so, the fact that you have these divides between the establishment and the more populist wing of the party and thought freedom caucus is reasserting its own influence is making it just incredibly hard to govern. day deign but, harry, given the fact that they are meeting tonight at 8:00 and i have been hearing little whispers the last couple of days that they are actually nearing some sort of agreement and then had you president trump golfing with senator rand paul, who had been very vocal and against the bill as it had been written, the one was that pulled, are they making some sort of progress on sort of working together? >> maybe.

but i think the thing that the healthcare bill had such trouble doing was uniting, say, the moderates in the party with the very conservative representatives in the house and either block is large enough to help derail it so being able to slice that baby and being able to get these warring factions together to me is very, very difficult. we will see if he is able to pull it out. count me a skeptical considering that either faction was large enough to derail the original healthcare bill. >> dana: harry, as soon as your middle name skeptical. >> my middle name is joseph but skeptical works, too. >> dana: those of us that know you skeptical works through because you like to work things through. we just had senator mitch mcconnell on. he said neil gorsuch will be confirmed to the supreme court friday. how far does that go to uniting the republican party and how long does that feeling last? >> gulch's nomination has been one the few effective things that president trump has done to unite all the

factions of the republican party together. the big number that the administration, what president trump should be watching the percentage of republicans that approve of his job 3e678 man's. 80% is something a mendosa line. you need to be above 80% to really have the party united to really be able to offer political threats that show you still have some political clout. in the latest round of national polling, trump's number among republicans has dropped dangerously close. dropped under 80%. if you have the big national polls theavment something that he needs to worry about. that's why you are seeing freedom caucus conservatives feeling openly hostile towards the administration. they don't feel his words -- they don't feel lining is he able to -- his bark is worse than his bite. >> dana: one last question. it will be a quick one. if you are looking at spectrum totally meaningless to really important. when it comes to the president's approval rating at this point as he is just getting started how

important is it. >> i would say it is somewhat meaningful. but he has plenty of time to improve it as long as he stays popular with republicans above that 80% mendosa line that josh was talking about, he will still be able to say thread in some of those republicans step out of line should fall back in line. if it falls below that all bets are off. >> dana: all right, gentlemen. thank you so much. tough words for predecessor after suspected chemical attack kills dozens of including children in syria. police reforms sought by the obama administration. the details and the debate ahead. ♪

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♪ >> we must maintain law and order at the highest level or we will cease to have a country. 100 percent we will cease and-to-have a country. i am the law and order candidate. [cheers and applause] >> dana: president trump made law and order a central theme of thinks campaign. tonight his justice department is making moves to ensure that remains the case during his presidency. his attorney general, jeff sessions, taking a step towards dismantling another

obama prescription ordering a review of all police reform agreements. fox news jonathan hunt has the details on this move live from our west coast bureau. jonathan? >> hey, dana. the memorandum from the attorney general effectively halting reviews of the baltimore and chicago police departments, among others, caught officials in those cities off guard when it was announced. buff today they vowed to continue with reforms, whatever the orders from jeff sessions. >> it will make us better, make the city better. it will make our relationships with the community better. >> now, that defiance was echoed by chicago mayor rahm emanuel who issued a joint statement with police superintendent eddy johnson saying change within the city's interest and that is quote why chicago has been, is, and always will be committed to reform. now, these reforms were previously agreed upon by the respective police departments and the obama administration.

in the case of chicago, after a civil rights investigation concluded that officers there too often used excessive force. while the baltimore reforms were ordered in the wake of the death of freddie gray in police custody. an incident that prompted widespread protests against the police. but during his confirmation hearing to become attorney general, jeff sessions made little secret of his skepticism of federal investigations in to police departments saying whole police departments should not be tainted by the bad actions of individual officers. he now appears to be putting those words into action, dana. >> dana: all right, jonathan. thank you so much. now here with more dana loesch is the host of dana on blaze tv and campaign director for the action fund. dana, if i can start with you. what i just heard jonathan say the police departments and city officials are saying they are going to continue to work together, regardless of federal

oversight. why would that be a bad thing? that sounds like a good thing to me. >> no. i think that is a good thing, dana. you are absolutely right. thanks for having me. i think this is something that should come from the community. i'm always very cautious whenever i see the federal government make any sort of overtures towards local police. because, to make sure that you fix the ina.c. adequacies of a police department, it shouldn't come after a scandal or after a tragedy. this is something that should always be at the forefront of the community's mind, at city officials, the mayor, city council. this is something they should already be doing themselves. if they want to report, if they want to comply. if in this is something they decide as a lee cattle to do that's fine. it shouldn't be forced upon a local police department. loot of times, particularly the last a eight years, we saw the department of justice, particularly that very division be used sort of as a cu cuddle quuddle. to go after one department.

deign there is no doubt that some these police departments did need some reforms and maybe the thought or the threat or the possibility of federal involvement was the encouragement they needed to move forward. what are your thoughts? >> they did. i think we should be clear about what these consent decrees are. if there is only an individual in the police department a bad actor and just that individual, that's a separate case. that's not when the city enters into a dissent decree with the department of justice. it only happens when there is a practice or pattern of unconstitutional behavior, such as excessive force. i think we should all want there to be a back stop on that. what we find in the cities saying it themselves and saying this during their press conferences yesterday and today is that they needed impetus for change. it couldn't necessarily come investigation started, then they entered into the dissent decree and they needed that the thing we should all be looking for is public safety. you don't get public safety by saying there is no

oversight at all. >> dana: dana, what about sort of police morale, the worry that they have about doing their jobs and like basically pulling back and sort of saw that in chicago and i think some of the police department there was said so. what do you make of that in regards to this type of move by general sessions? is it in his mind, is he trying to actually help the police to be able to do their job? >> i think. so two things on this. for instance with ferguson, which happened in my hometown of st. louis, that was one individual put in a question but it didn't stop the department of justice from trying to use it as an excuse to go and smear an entire police department which then, in turn, undermines the community's faith in local policing, which then, also effects the morale of police officers. police officers need to be able to have the trust of the community to go out and do their jobs. not also have to worry about having their lives ruined by over zealous civil rights attorneys acting on behalf of politicized weaponized department of justice just

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thiessen. first to north korea since that news just happened. last time they did this and fired missiles into the sea of japan practicing scans to our military bases and ports. this comes on the eve of the first meeting that president trump will have president xi of china which president trump will say to china you need to step up and help us with this north korea issue because we do have all options on the table and you know that china wants stability above all other things. >> absolutely. no, i think the key to solving this problem is china in terms of in diplomacy in china putting pressure on the north koreans. 9 north koreans are completely dependent on china. our leverage is limited. we have the threat that president trump has put on the table there. but if you want to solve this diplomatically and not militarily, it's going to be china having to come down hard on them and trump has to deliver a message to the chinese which did he in the interview either do you or we will and you won't like

the way we do it. >> dana: other story in syria wee repeated story we have seen for a while like go back to what we are talking about tonight axis of evil. here we have in syria the chemical weapons attack. what do you make of where we have been in the last four years leading up to this moment and tomorrow morning we'll have, finally, a human rights council meeting at the united nations, an emergency meeting called today. >> you know, susan rice is in the news again. so let me read you a quote from susan rice on january 16th, 2017 bragging to npr we were able to get the syrian government to voluntarily and vary finably give up its chemical weapons stockpile. apparently not. this was a direct result of the obama administration failure to enforce its red line. they drew a red line and see say if they even move chemical weapons nonetheless use them.

one the diplomacy didn't work of disarming them of chemical stockpile. all the reports suggest this wasn't chlorine gas which is more common this was sarin gas that was used and one of the things that was supposed to be disarmed. emboldened assad to think he can get away with this stuff. common theme here, dana. in north korea, bill clinton and went it and had an agreement in 1994 get rid of the north korean nuclear program. we have achieved peace in our time. now we have got obama administration with its failed chemical weapons diplomacy and we have got coming up the pike is the iran agreement where the iranians have said they are going to disarm. we have weapons of mass destruction spreading all over the world and arms control agreements and approaches have failed in every case to stop these people from getting these weapons. >> dana: true. it's day 75 of the first 100 days and as every administration does inherits foreign policy issues and problems from the previous administration. these feel very consequential. and i thank you for your insight tonight because i know you know a ton about it thank you, mark.

>> thank you, dana. >> dana: thank you for watching. i'm dana perino. i will see you tomorrow on "the five." that other show. thank you for joining us. ♪ ♪ >> the o'reilly factor is on tonight. >> i leaked nothing to nobody and never have and never would. >> bill: former national security advisor under president obama susan rice denied any wrongdoing in surveying donald trump and his associates. however, fox news is reporting that ambassador rice was deeply involved. we will give you the facts tonight. >> the facts will come out with susan rice but i think she ought to be under subpoena. she should be asked did you talk to the president about it? >> bill: senator paul referring to president obama. that's where republicans want to take the trump surveillance situation. we'll have information on that scenario. >> say low, stay clear. [chanting] >> bill: also ahead california moves a step closer to