martha maccallum six list of interview with vice president pence begins right now. you won't want to miss it. >> breaking news in washington tonight. the president changes his tone as he takes on serious challenges on the world stage. with this choosing guard at the white house, what does the staff move really mean and how will they together tackle a brutal chemical weapons attack by a leader that the prior administration bout will be gone by now as north north korea fif another band missile test, the president gets ready to challenge the chinese president this weekend on why he has done nothing to stop them. and at home, questions about the legality of of unmasking american officials. president trump today stood side-by-side in the rose garden as he welcomed the king of

jordan and made this promise. >> i have to just say that the world is a mess. i inherited a mess. whether it's middle east, whether it's north korea, whether at so many other things, whether it's in our country, horrible trade deals. i inherited a mess. we're going to fix it. we are going to fix it. ♪ >> martha: i'm martha maccallum. welcome to a jampacked today 76 of the first 100. later tonight, i will discuss what could be a massive policy shifts and the latest in the efforts to bring top obama officials susan rice before a congressional committee for questioning. senators tom cotton and senator john mccain joined may may. but first earlier today i sat down with vice president mike pence where we spoke about

the attack in syria, whether the u.s. is prepared to go it alone on north korea, the national security council shakeup that happened today and the recently resurrected health care beer. click back bill. we appreciate appeared there's a lot to talk about. i want to dive right in. i know you've been very busy trying to get a second round of this health care bill up and running who, speaking with people on capitol hill and the recent word is that they're not going that well. that the moderates are unhappy that you've brought the conservatives a little bit more on board with growth and they like the way that this bill looks right now. is that an accurate reflection? is it falling apart? >> first let me say, republicans are united in our commitment to keep the promise we made to the american people years ago to repeal and replace obamacare and president trump and i couldn't be more grateful with the determination that the men and women serving in the congress

under the republican banner are bringing to this effort. a few weeks back, congress wasn't quite ready to take the first step to begin the end of obamacare home. but conversations have continued since then. i think we've made good progress. and i've seen good faith on all sides. >> martha: there has been some talk about having something put together by friday. it doesn't some iq there. >> will see them. we don't want to put in a timeline there but i can tell you that there are good faith discussions underway. the president and i are encouraged. not that it will get done in any particular period of time but that it's going to get done. >> martha: you've put yourself in a line with this and said i'm going to lead the charge on this and many believe that's why you were in some ways brought on because you're the person with congressional experiments, you're the guy can do that. do you feel like any concern about the responsibility? >> it's the greatest honor in my life to serve as vice president

for president donald trump them. whatever way i can be helpful in advancing the presidents agenda, either on capitol hill or around the country or around the world, it's my great privilege to do it. >> martha: he ask about the leadership in the white house. it was announced that steve bennett would no longer be on the principles committee for the national security council and that's being called a shakeup. with going on with that? >> with hr mcmaster as our national security advisor and, the presidents action adding the chairman of the joint chiefs, adding the director of national intelligence, and moving a couple of our senior personnel off the national security council just simply represents a very routine evolution of the national security team around the president. >> martha: is not a demotion for stephen bannon. >> not for steve, not for tom. the severely highly valued members of this administration. they're going to continue to

play important policy roles. hr mcmaster's addition is our next security advantages are, in extraordinary background in military. this is just a natural evolution to ensure the national security council is organized in a way that best serves the president in resolving and making those difficult decisions. >> martha: one of the issues that keeps hanging around is russia's story and it doesn't look like it's going to go away anytime soon. would've the most recent developments is susan rice being named as the person who asked names of of the trump administration. she said she was just doing her job. do you believe that? >> i think the american people have a right to know what was going on. we have every confidence that the intelligence committees in the house in the senate will get to the bottom of all of these allegations. it focuses on the agenda. that's a decision for members of congress, but i would say that

the american people have a right to know if there was surveillance of any private citizen in this country and the identity of the citizens was revealed, they have a right to know why. the fact that it involved our campaign and our transition i think should be deeply troubling to anyone who cherishes civil liberties in this country. >> martha: you believe there was a political motivation. to think there was reverse monitoring as to what had been suggested? >> martha, i would hesitate to speculate because these issues are so serious. but it is within the jurisdiction and the purview of the intelligence committees and the house and the senate to get to the bottom of this. >> martha: i want to turn your attention overseas because we have all seen the horrific pictures of what happened in syria. a chemical attack that took the lives of families, of children. who does the administer should believe was responsible for that attack? >> all visions points to the

risotto regime in syria. the president and i and our entire administration condemn this chemical attack in syria and the strongest possible terms. it cannot be tolerated. yesterday, president trump joined leaders around the world condemning this heinous attack. and will continue to do so. >> martha: a secretary of state rex tillerson recently said that the syrian people will determine their own future. and that removing a thought is not necessarily the top priority. in terms of foreign policy anymore. some believe that this chemical attack was in response to that. >> first, let's remember how we got here. back in 2012 president obama said that if they used chemical weapons against his own people that would cross a redline and there would be consequences. there were not. we were told that there was an

agreement by the russians and the syrians to destroy the chemical weapons and the threat to civilians from a chemical attack had been eliminated. it wasn't. and yesterday's horrific attack which grieves my heart not just as an office holder but as a dad. i can't -- no american can look at those images and not be heartsick. it is a reflection of the failure of the last administration to both confront the mindless violence of the regime and also the whole of russia and syria to account for the promises that they've made to destroy chemical weapons. >> martha: people would agree with you on that. and others they were in a new administration and president trump during the campaign said that they had to be set up in syria. is it time to renew the call for

assad to be ousted and establish safe zones for these people? >> i think you saw the ambassador haley the edit nations today express the very strong position of the united states of america. we are hopeful that there may well be action in the united nations. security council but let me be clear, all options on the table. >> martha: you hold the russians responsible as well? >> the russians are in a close working alliance with the assad regime in syria and the time has come for them to keep the work that they made to see to the elimination of chemical weapons so that they no longer threaten the people in our country. >> martha: in terms of north korea, the president of china is about to arrive in united states and they are rattling again with another missile launch. it's being said now by experts in the field and others that we need to go after the underground nuclear sites there, the areas

where these missiles are launched from who, at the military option may be the only one left. do you agree? >> let me see the back say i know that president trump is looking forward to welcoming the president to the southern white house. this weekend. i think they are looking forward to productive discussion discussion on our economic relationship, but our expectation is that north korea will also be a part of that conversation. and as the president said this weekend who, if china won't deal with north korea, we will. >> martha: the tone of this meeting in florida will be when we know the president wants to trade trade practices, he spoke about that for decades. and you've got this expansionism that china is exhibiting and their reluctance for years and years to crack down on north korea. that makes us a pretty tough meeting, doesn't it? >> the president has described it as a difficult meeting.

but our expectation is that both of those leaders are going to have an opportunity to get to know another, have an opportunity to sit down. what they're going to find a president trump is a strong leader, going to put america first. and it's going to be willing to talk about the hard things. the fact that we lose $500 billion a year and a trade deficit to china and that we've seen manufactured leaving this country going to china, the fact that we see china constructing bases in the south china sea far beyond and well into international waters and other areas i'm sure will be topics. >> martha: on the first 100 days, we often ask our guests what grade they would give the administer sheet for the week. so now that you're about three quarters the way through that first hundred days, what grade do you give the administration so far? >> i give us a solid a. because you look at the

fundamentals in. you look at the fact that the latest job report, more than three quarters of a million jobs created since the beginning of this year. president's been keeping his promise to roll back the avalanche of regulations that was stifling jobs and growth in this economy to take decisive action to end illegal immigration and secretary kelly testified today, we seen a dramatic reduction of illegal immigration at our borders. we see america standing tall in the world again, companies are reinvesting in america and creating those good paying jobs. what we see every single day is a president who is keeping his word to the american people. >> martha: vice president pence, thank you so much. good to see you today. >> good to see you martha. >> martha: my thanks to the vice president for setting what down with us earlier. were going to bring you some quick bonus clips from the interview later in the show but

first still ahead on a very busy day 76 in washington, arkansas senator tom cotton in here with his unique pick on the susan rice question on whether he believes that she will testify before his committee. plus senator john mccain is here with his reaction to the language that we heard in the rose garden this afternoon as president trump signaled a shift on the syria policy. after that horrific chemical attack in the country. and member eric caldwell is here and claims the investigation of susan rice will be just another distraction. we will ask him why straight ahead. >> i'll just say this, we have agreed on our witness list. i am expected that's showing the american people were going forward and if they want to put a hurt a lot like bringing susan rice in, that's fine. his only school it's the phillips' lady!

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>> martha: breaking tonight, republican lawmakers continue to call for investigations into potential unmasking of trump transition team members. all at the request of president obama's top security official susan rice. experts from across the intel community are now urging americans to think twice before they take the rices brush off of this at face value. it a two decade cia veteran

cautions this "rices denials don't add up. it's hard to fathom how the d masking of multiple trump campaign and transition officials was not politically motivated." it joining me now, the intel committee and her appearance at any panel would represent an unnecessary hurdle is it earlier. welcome. why would it be an unnecessary hurdle? >> because there's no evidence that there was any wrongdoing but if the republicans think that this has to be on the witness list, will clear that hurdle and make it to the finish line and we are determined to do that. >> martha: you're saying you don't believe that there are two sides to this investigation and, that there is the side of the unmasking issue and whether or not there was an effort by the prior administration to observe or curtail them to damage them and the other side of it which is whether or not there was any collusion between trump team folks and the russians? >> russia attacked our democracy. when you don't believe there are two investigations to do.

>> not with unmasking. i don't think there's any evidence yet and. >> martha: is no evidence on the other side. >> on the unclassified side, we've seen roger stone talking with two-point oh, who receives his information from russia. going to russia years after years, was recruited by russia a month after was revealed that russia was attacking us. >> martha: they've said that so far there is no evidence that there was collusion between the trump team and the russians. no evidence so far and i think everyone agrees that that is an ongoing investigation and it should be. i don't know how you can say that there's no evidence on the other side of the equation and except that it was true in terms of the trump side of it. >> it's there evidence that donald trump said it? because he also said that russian didn't interfere in our election. that was proved wrong. i think there's a credibility problem on russia. which is unfortunate because

north korea is firing missiles. >> martha: why don't you have curiosity to find out why there would be unmasking of american officials connection this concern you and any american citizen just to understand and if there's nothing there, there's nothing there but why not bring her in and out for questions? >> because we don't have time to have curiosity on what donald trump makes up. and what's interesting, he's the only person in the world who has the ability to actually show us the documents. so the evidence was there. >> martha: it was verified by a number of sources that the unmasking goes back to susan rice. there is a division in the intel community about whether or not that's normal or whether that's very unusual. so i just don't understand if the shoe were on the other foot, wouldn't you want to know if someone had unmasked her name whether or not they did it illegally or whether they had good reason to do so? 's because she was on the foot of the trump team right now. they're under investigation and that seems to be another tactic to avoid finding the truth. >> martha: at the very partisan congressman. >> people at home and republicans and democrats, they say this country is worth

defending and they see a president who continues to want to obstruct. and i'll just say this. >> martha: the privacy of american citizens isn't worth defending. >> if she sees that foreigner a is talking a foreigner be about u.s. persons see, she can request to see who that is and always goes to her eyes. >> martha: but the question is what the reason for requesting it? political in nature. was it a compelling national security issue that compelled that and i do understand you and your position not at least being curious enough to want to not answer those questions. >> i do with the president won't show me and we have asked to be able to go over and see those documents pretty he is actually only person. i hope he does because it will clear this hurdle and this isn't going away and people want us to get to the bottom of it. when i was to have it open investigation to anybody who could potentially pertain to any of this but i think you for coming in and will be watching. and cute. good to see you tonight. so president trump tends to light up twitter tonight. the fireworks came from our own political analyst.

justin with ben rowe, the former top foreign policy advisor to president obama and issued the media's near blackout of the susan rice revelation. so what does he think of all this today? brit hume joins us now. good evening to you, good to see you tonight. we've read with great interest your back and forth with ben rose and we have what will put up on the screen. it goes right to the topic that i was just discussing with congressman swalwell and it starts by it's amazing, it's elite news is you say and refusing to report is not the behavior of a news organization. that came off of don lemon at cnn saying that they were just not going to cover this at all. an ben rose comes back bullying people into covering senior security official is news is a clear effort to distract from questions about trump and obama. and you say bullying, this is so routine, why did rice falsely claim on pbs and that she knew nothing about it?

that's the set up. it's an interesting question, it's one that the congressman and i were just talking about. lack of curiosity. >> there's certainly been a lack of curiosity on the part of a lot of news media and it finally made news in a couple of mainstream outlets today because members of congress were calling for susan rice to be called to testify noon. but the revelation that she was involved in unmasking requests had not previously been news to them. this is one of the reasons why fox news was formed, to cover the stories that others will not. and the result of this i think is unmistakable. your previous guests grumbling about it notwithstanding is that these congressional investigations and possibly the fbi investigation as well not proceed along two tracks simultaneously, one of them will be to determine whether there's any collusion between the trump team and the russians in an effort to get him elected and the other will be whether the

intelligence involving trump and campaign officials and associates was improperly gathered perhaps, improperly unmasked and then possibly improperly distributed. those seem to me to be both relevant questions. i think it's pretty well acknowledge now that that's the case, although the democrats seem so afraid that this hope that they have that trump can be brought down by being found of collusion with the russians, they're so afraid that investigation will go off track and, the congressman saying we don't have time for that. of course we have time for that. there's always time to do an investigation and it appears were going to do one and it's going to proceed on two tracks. >> martha: britt, given your time spent in this town and the presidencies that you have watched, what is your gut tell you about this investigation? about how long it's going to hang around and about how serious it may be on both of those tracks that you mention?

>> martha, want to get into these congressional investigations and you have staff preparation and you have questioning advance of witnesses and you have public hearings and sometimes they go on for days, we're looking at this being in the foreseeable future. it's going to be a whether it's a while. and this is proceeding very much along the lines of many congressional investigations that are covered in the past where one party has its list of witnesses it wants to call in to elicit the facts that it wants to see brought out and the other party is moving in a different direction trying to get the witnesses it once called to elicit the facts it wants to see brought out. and out of that sort of competitive and even adversarial process, the public often find that quite a lot. that's how these things work. we have an adversarial system in congress. we have two competing parties. they conduct these investigations. there are rarely nonpartisan, sometimes they're bipartisan. but normally they're fairly partisan and that's not a bad

way to get into facts. that's what happened at watergate, that's what happened in innumerable other investigations and that seems to be where were headed now. going to take a while. >> martha: thank you. good to see you tonight. still ahead, senator john mccain joins me to discuss the devastating chemical attacks in syria. and his reaction to what seemed today to be a policy shift on this from president trump. will ask john mccain about that coming up. up next as more and more members of congress call for investigations into susan rice, senate intel committee member tom cotton joins me up on the roof of this building to discuss what the chances are that plus what did he mean by this? >> susan rice is the typhoid mary of the obama administration foreign policy. every time something went wrong, she seemed to turn up in the middle of it. so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand.

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have a right to know what was going on. the fact that it involved our campaign and our transition i think should be deeply troubling to anyone who terraces civil liberties in this country paste when you believe there is a political motivation. >> i would hesitate to speculate because those issues are so serious. but we think it is within the jurisdiction and the preview of the intelligence committees and the house and the senate to get to the bottom of this. >> martha: of the vice president earlier, president took it a bit further pretty told our own john roberts that he believes is in rice may have committed a crime. earlier i spoke with arkansas senator tom cotton who sits on the senate intel committee and i asked him what should happen next year. center, welcome. good to have you here today. you have called susan rice typhoid mary. what you mean by that reference? >> any time something went wrong in the obama admin attrition's for a policy which was often, she seemed to turn up in the middle of it whether is benghazi or the syrian redline and now

this. and i think the vice president is right. there are serious allegations at the intelligence committee will have to review them. they are legitimate reasons for some of the national security council to request for an unmasking of an american citizen. but the suggestions of th of tie potential political sensitivities do raise serious concerns and i think it's appropriate that we take deliberate steps forward to reveal all these records and if necessary, call susan rice and the testify. >> martha: she and her people have said that it's ridiculous to suggest that there's any legal implications here, any illegality that could have occurred here. but when you look at the way that it's laid out in terms of how you have to secure the right to unmask those names, it has to be a compelling foreign policy or national security concern that compels the removal of that. because there has to be a very good reason and typically a member of the national security council wouldn't have many reasons to do so. normally these unmasking's are done in the middle of a

counterintelligence or criminal investigation. that's not what the national security council does. there have been precedents for this kind of thing to happen in the past where people have been in hot water. the carter administration was brought to congress to testify about unmasking materials related to jimmy carter's brother. it's not just routine business, especially the number of times it happened turns out to be true based on public reporting. that's why it's important for the intelligence committee to access all of these records and review them. >> martha: and testify? >> if the reviewing of those records is an answer those questions, i think she should testify. >> martha: syria also very much in the news. horrific reasons. we saw the brutality that was brought upon people there, families, children suffering from a chemical weapons attack. is it time to change our policy on syria? >> another horrific atrocity by basher al-assad and his patrons. i would remind everyone that in 2014, barack obama after drawing

his redline cut a deal with vladimir putin to remove all of serious chemical weapons. turns out that once again, vladimir putin and basher al-assad did not keep their dea deal. assad remaining in power is just not an option for america's national security. that's not an opinion or policy, just a fact. millions of syrians and arab leaders who are critical in our fight against islamic terrorism are going to insist that bashar al-assad go. we can prioritize against the fight against the islamic state, but they cannot be secure as long as the syrian civil war continues and bashar al-assad remains in power. spew a mass object, a judge course edge. but the time the break is coming, will he be on the supreme court? >> judge gorsuch will be just as gorsuch. i think it's unfortunate the democrats over the last 14 years have repeatedly violated senate traditions in 2003, almost there's never been a single

filibuster that succeeded in blocking any nominee of any kind. in 2003, schumer now the democratic leader of the cement began to break those traditions and the republicans necessary to restore the senate tradition that nominees walked to the floor have an up or down vote. he will make us a fine supreme court justice. he deserves that about, he will get it, and he will prevail. >> martha: senator cotton, thank you very much. good to see you here. so coming up, our team of political power players will break down the interviews from tonight plus the highlights of what it was when matt bennett joins me here in washington. first, the president today in his first rose garden address had a very strong single into bashar al-assad and to russia. senator john mccain has long been outraged at our lack of action to help the people of syria. he is here next. as always controlling your time,

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>> martha: new reaction tonight following yesterday's horrific attack in syria. a warning that some of the images that you are about to see are disturbing, but we think they are important to understand what is going on here. dozens of civilians including women and children brutally killed in a chemical attack them. president trump today condemning this attack, blaming assad redeem and perhaps signaling a change in policy in progress. watch this. >> do you feel like you bear responsibility for responding to the chemical attacks? >> i now have responsibility and i will have that responsibility and carry it very proudly. when you kill innocent children, innocent babies, babies, little babies, with a chemical gas that is so lethal that cost many, many lives beyond redline, and i will tell you it's already

happened that my attitude towards syria and assad has changed very much. >> martha: joining us now with reaction to all of this, senator john mccain chairman of the armed services committee. good to see you and welcome. >> great to see you. i spoke to the president this morning. he is angry as he well should be and his consulting with his military leadership as well as his secretary of state end. i have some optimism that he would take some concrete action here. he is obviously, as we all are, appalled. going to make two points. one, this the legacy of barack obama. the last time this happened, barack obama called me and lindsey graham down to the white house and did nothing. one thing worse than doing nothing is saying you're going to do something as the most powerful leader on earth and doing nothing. so this is a legacy of

barack obama and it's been going on now for the last four years. we need to do, we need to stop assad's plans from flying and we can do that easily. to say don't lie or you're going to get shot down. and if we start operating out of the basis that we have, were going to create cruise missiles and other weapons. he can't fly because were not going to let you drop nerve gas. were not going to let you drop chlorine. were not going to let you drop barrel bombs. there are large cylindrical things filled with shrapnel and they explode about 20 feet at the ground that indiscriminately kill people. he's got to be stopped from flying. and we can stop it easily using our cruise missiles and capabilities until the russians it's your guy, you join us and stop him from flying and committing these war crimes. then i would have safe zones and there's a lot of other things. the first thing you've got to do, stop his ability to

slaughter people. >> martha: when you spoke to the president today about this, did you talk to him about russia and what did he say? >> we talked mainly about the issue of russia did not come up. >> martha: the differences on vladimir putin and that's a big part of this equation. >> i think the president understands that if not for the russians, the iranian revolutio revolution, that assad would have been gone long ago. >> martha: haley at the u.n. let's play it for folks at home. >> we cannot close our eyes to those. we cannot close our minds of the responsibility to act. assad has no incentive to stop using chemical weapons as long as russia continues to protect his regime from consequences. how many more children have to

die before russia cares? >> i'm very proud of her remarks and i don't believe that she would be saying that unless she had some coordination with the white house. i'm very pleased with her statement, and the first thing i would hope the president would do is he can't fly anymore. stop the flying. that way we would stop this war crimes and atrocities. aren't we growing a little tired of seeing pictures of dead children? >> martha: and it's been hundreds of thousands over the years that you have been bringing this issue to the forefront. i know it's been a great frustration for you. i've got to go but very quickly, are safe zones viable? >> barack obama had an opportunity to stop this long ago and he took a hike and that's a terrible legacy. >> martha: will pick it up as we talk next time fit. thank you very much senator . thank you senator john mccain for joining us here in washington.

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>> do you have any hope that democrats will come on board either with tax reform or with health care? >> martha, i do. it's a question not of it, but of when. the president and i both believe that issues like infrastructure, issues like child care, all represent great bipartisan opportunities. but we do recognize that and to repeal and replace obamacare, republicans very likely have to do that on our own at the beginning. >> martha: on their own there. a health care one of the many issues that is top of mind that washington right now. the fourth quarter so to >> "the first 100 days" of the trump administration. let's bring in our power panel. we usually keep them in little boxes from far away, but we have him at the desk. then damages the publicist at the federalist and former assistant to president lender. good to see you in washington tonight. you heard vice president prince

day we have some wiggle room, but we are on our own. >> other people watching could be as successful to get as many different players in the spectrum as you have been today to get onto this one show, i think they could do a lot more deals. >> martha: and we have you. a power panel plus. >> just set them up. he is right. but unfortunately, the republicans seem as far apart from each questions of what to do about health insurance as they are from democrats on questions like taxes and are getting ready to leave for easter or whatever nondenominational term that they're going to use for this break. they're getting ready to leave they leave empty-handed. speak with the situation really where as chris said, he of conservatives very far apart from modern citizens. if it is a question of the republican party going forward. do they want to run a year and a half on having failed to deliver on the signature promise that they've been making to their constituents for seven years regarding obamacare? i think a lot of members and i

talked to members who are in the tuesday group and members who are in the freedom caucus who are both equally of the mind that they can't afford to do that. the question is really now whether they're going to be able to make enough changes in this existing health care agreement to move it across into the senate were frankly it starts all over again. it went at a really terrible lot of it in order to get through. >> martha: do you hope they win our hope they on this one? >> that is a really good question. [laughter] as you pointed out earlier, there was a pretty big divide between a vice president pentz and his boss. the two biggest problems that pentz hasn't the filling this is donald and trump. when you are attacking president obama with the baseless allegations about wire tapping, attacking his staff with baseless allegations about breaking the law or at least unsupported allegations, and that is not to endear you to the folks on the hill. when you're attacking senator schumer, attacking nancy

police e. >> is not be silly about this. this would be the situation even if he wasn't doing about it. this is a very partisan town. democrats are being driven by their base to do what they're doing right now when it comes to the hopeless filibuster against judge gorsuch and the dynamic of this would not be any different if you are talking about up resident pence as opposed to a president trump. >> may be, it doesn't help that you have trump going up in all these bizarre directions, impossible to know where he's going to be from one day to the next and that means the democrats don't know if they should go from there pretty >> martha: using that as an excuse because of their summoning is to be fixed and obamacare and they had all touristic goals to fix them, they would say it forget all that stuff but let's get to the table and work this out. they seem to be enjoying the resistance movement so far. >> yes. [laughter] i will grant you that. what they came with the table on the other side was so to the

democrats, there was no way to negotiate over obamacare. that was the opposite of what democrats wanted to do. kicking 24 million people off the rolls, raising rates for the middle class, cutting taxes for the rich, that is exactly the opposite of what anybody wanted on the democratic side. >> martha: let's talk syria because the president did seem genuinely moved into a different place on this today. do you believe he is and if he is, once he put that line down, we seen what happens if you don't take action. >> one thing that both parties agree in washington is that the way things panned out in syria, red line and all of that stuff, this has been a thoroughgoing disaster. trump is facing similar -- he cannot go back in time. he cannot undo the mistakes of the past. you have to live in the world as it is. here's a serious challenge. we thought we were getting a share of what trump is him was on the international stage and that was america first, not isolationist but certainly a withdrawal from the traditional

role that republicans and democrats like and saved every united states. then one day when, we see bannon taken out of his role at the national security council. he is sort of the high priest of trump in the administration and in addition to that, we see rex tillerson and an amazing moment at the united nations, nikki haley deliver absolute fire and brimstone. she dropped it right on the head of the russian ambassador and you saw a different trump coming to the floor. >> martha: on this staff change, how significant? >> it's a little bit interesting to see what happens with bannon. it's not as big of a deal. possibly because he only attended apparently one meeting but with the serious side of things, we need a clear answer from the trump white house what victory looks like in syria. >> martha: thank you very much gentleman. great to see you all. so when we return, behind-the-scenes of my exclusive interview with mike pence. we come right back.

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>> martha: earlier today i visited the ceremonial office at the executive building here in washington. watch. >> and nor were they part of the desk is a tradition in the drawer on, which is that every vice president since harry truman has signed the interior of the desk. >> martha: there's your predecessor joe biden. dick cheney. >> dwight eisenhower actually signed it. walter mondale. harry truman actually signed it twice for reasons unknown. >> martha: he'd forgot he already done it. that is remarkable. that was pretty cool. so two things together, the roosevelt death which was very impressive and the subject of marriage which was much discussed with this week with regards to the vice president and mrs. pence. the man who loves other countries as much as he loves his own stands on a level with

the man who loves other women as much as he loves his own wife. good night from washington everybody. see you tomorrow night back in new york. ♪ >> the o'reilly factors on tonight. >> across a lot of lines for me. when you kill innocent children, innocent babies and, it's very, very possible that my attitude towards syria and assad has changed very much. >> bill: president trump threatening syria for using poison gas to kill civilians including women and children. what should the president do to that country? lou dobbs will analyze. >> they are defaming her without any reason to do so because she's a woman, maybe because she's a black woman. >> bill: the crazy left now saying that susan rice now, trump surveillance controversy