and other passengers have reached out to express how they felt that their own safety was threatened. >> jon: we'll be back in an hour. >> jenna: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert. tough words for russia. president trump said america's relations with the kremlin may be at an all-time low. this as he is suggesting the russians may have known about the chemical adam, this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. megan mccain, co host of "after the bell", melissa francis. republican strategist for president george w. bush, murder say -- mercedes schlapp is here and bill hemmer. >> we can never have too much hemmer. >> i appreciate that. >> it's hemmer time. >> we're going to have a great

hour, a little fun. all right? we'll see what is happening today. >> let's get started. >> we begin with the worsening relations with russia. president trump not holding back with u.n.'s secretary general yesterday at the white house. watch. >> right now we're not getting along with russia at all. we may be at an all-time low in terms of relationship with russia. this is built for a long period of time. we're going to see what happens. putin is the leader of russia. russia is a strong country. we're a very, very strong country. we'll see how it works out. >> here's president trump when he thought if bashar al-assad could have gassed his own people without the russians knowing. >> i think it's certainly possible. it's probably unlikely. i know they're doing investigations into that right now. i would like to think they they

didn't know. certainly they could have. they were there. we'll find out. general mattis is looking into it with the entire pentagon group that does that kind of work. >> russian president vladimir putin firing back shortly after his two-hour meeting with secretary of state rex tillerson. >> let's say the level of trust on the working level and especially on the military level department get better and probably degraded. everyone knows very well that it was our initiative and initiative of the u.s. to go through huge work destroying chemical weapons that used to be owned by the syrian government. they did their job well. they fulfilled their duties as far as we know. >> those comments came just before russia vetoed a u.n. resolution to hold the syrian regime accountable. and lindsey graham wants more sanctions. is it time to get tougher? >> that whole tillerson meeting is fascinating. a story there yet to be told and

may not be told for some time. tillerson held his ground. that's what i take from vladimir putin's comment there. and did not give much either. i think ultimately though, i think president trump was right when he said the best interests of each country will be protected ultimately. that tweet he sent out two hours ago, things will work out fine between the u.s. and russia. at the right time, everybody will come to senses and there will be lasting piece. i believe that is where this is headed. what does assad do in the meantime? earlier today he gave his first interview. he thinks we're making this up. it's all fabricated. does he use chemical weapons again? can we prove it? do we go back in? i think that's the issue that is facing us and the world at the moment. >> you mentioned the reaction from tillerson. and talking about the stone-faced tillerson. watch this. >> was encouraged by the

iciness. it was beautiful. unlike john kerry that would go around like a puppy dog pretending everything okay. what we had was a stone-faced tillerson who was grave and glum and said everything that was wrong. the message is to the russians, the eight years of the free lunch is over. you're not going to walk over the west. >> yeah. i love charles. i agree with him that i've been completely surprised by this 180 that president trump and people in his administration have taken not only on russia but on our foreign policy initiative in general. invoking the red line, sending in missiles and air strikes. strategically, i don't know what happens if assad uses chemical weapons again. i don't think anybody knows at this point. the apology tour is over. we're going to defend ourselves as the west. we're going to have an entirely new foreign policy, complete 180 from president obama and it's

interesting to see president trump take a more hawkish stance, a more traditional public outlook on the world. it's not what i expected. >> he made it clear the no forces will go into syria. >> but he also said that he loved -- he had very nice thing to say about putin. if there's thing we can learn about president trump, he's -- his mind can be changed. there's records that say ivanka trump brought these pictures of babies being gassed to him and that's what changed his mind. i like it. it's more in the vein of where i stand when it comes to america's role globally. but i don't know how much i trust that at this point given -- >> let's talk about what bill hemmer just mentioned from the president saying things will work out fine between the u.s.a. and russia. at the right time, everyone will come to their senses and there will be lasting peace. mercedes? >> you're seeing the evolution of the presidency for donald trump right now. you're seeing him basically

align himself with china. those two partners together against russia is very powerful. we saw this with the united nations security council resolution where china surprisingly abstained from the resolution. in essence, isolating russia. so i think what we're seeing is the sense where russia is basically picking -- deciding they're going to stick with assad who is this dictator, this criminal, war criminal? i don't know about that. >> i think the tweet was president trump there will be peaks. we're going to stick to our guns. >> and rex tillerson was serious. he was dead on. he did throw random insults. he didn't bring up the past. he didn't throw all of those bombs that lavrov did. he stood there and said we know what is right. i have a moral compass. here's what we're doing. president trump has become more

methodical. that he understands what is going on. he said i don't believe russia will stand by assad no matter what. they know what their interest in the region is. they will make a deal to keep what they need in the area and get rid of him. they don't care about him. they care about their interests in the area. >> russia has interest in assad as well as in the region. because he has put political capital in assad. that's why he stayed so close to assad as well. i think to your point, president trump, there is this mix of the diplomacy. that was like a diplomatic tweet to russia saying we can get there if you want to work with us. but putin is holding strong on the line. >> i was contributing to things on that. it's amazing how this bromance has erupted between the chinese president and donald trump. >> that's right. >> when everyone thought the putin something was real and legitimate. the second point is, you'd think

this just came out of nowhere. the syrian war has been going on for six years. the difference megan is that we have chosen to engage now. not only on this, but also in the korean peninsula. >> yeah, i -- what is confusing and difficult to cover these days, he had used chemical gases in 2013. this isn't surprising, it's not new. >> there's a report that he killed 1,400 in 2014. >> this is history now. >> did the previous administration have the same military option? you can hit an airstrip at 4:00 a.m. with limited casualties if any at all the they had that option and you knew that 1,400 civilians were killed with chemical weapons? why would you not act? >> president obama never wanted to be a wartime president. he's goal was to get out of iraq, get out of afghanistan. those were his political check marks. he wanted to make sure the united states wouldn't be involved and he was concerned

about his administration that if they went to syria, it would get complicated. >> i get it. we have hardly gone in. this was an air strike at 4:00 a.m. >> but the next question is, what is the long-term plan. this is where congress, where the senate is saying, okay, donald trump, come to us and let's work out what the long-term syrian plan is. >> that and what is the tolerance of the american public for continued action there as well. >> i don't think it's very high. i think you've had an authorization to use military force for -- is it 16 years now? that was passed by course after 9-11. some are saying, you have to update that law. we've used that law to go in and take out qaddafi in libya. we used it in syria. my point is this. if you're going to take a position internationally and say you will not stand for chemical weapons, an international treaty that has not been abused since 1925, if you say you stand on it

and do nothing, what value do your words have? >> absolutely. i think -- i don't know if you are seeing all the pieces moving. i'm sure you are. but let me point out, all the pieces moving together at the same time. he's saying to russia, you better -- we're going to enforce this. you better get on our team and help us. with china, he's saying putting pressure on them, saying you need to help us with korea. he's saying i'm going to follow-through on the threats and everybody needs to get in line and start working together. there's a deal to be made with everyone to get these things done, not assad. he has to go. we need russia's help on that. >> he said today, how can you verify a video? you have a lot of fake videos now. >> right. >> we don't know whether those dead children were killed at all. this story is not convincing. in the middle east for decades now, they debated pictures and video and how you change public opinion. this is the case he's making

right now. having said that as an american, i really wanted to see james mattis last friday. i didn't want to wait five days. i want to see the satellite images. i want to see the nose cone coming off a tomahawk missile. mattis was strong 48 hours ago. as an american, a reporter, i wanted to see this the day after. >> it was the donald rumsfeld press conferences during the war that spelled out what the americans were doing at that time. the bigger question will be, if assad is removed, if they get this peace agreement, what takes place? what is that next government? what is it -- who will take charge of that country? that is where i think the united states' stock and russia's stock takes effect. >> and its a conversation that is not being had right now, talking about post syria, post

assad. all right. i want to get to this. you mentioned that interview with assad, the syrian leader. denying the use of chemical weapons saying this is 100% fabrication. watch this. >> it's 100% fabrication. we don't have arsenal. we don't use it. you have many indications if you don't have proof. nobody has information or evidence. but you have indications. for example, less than two weeks, ten days before that attack, the terrorists were advancing in many fronts, including damascus. let's see we had this arsenal and let's suppose that we had the way to use it. why didn't we use it when terrorists were advancinadvanci? >> that is the first time we're

seeing and hearing those words -- >> from my audience and my sense is and you can tell me, my sense is if you do not use chemical weapons again, this administration is content to allow this six-year war to continue to burn out on its own forces. with both side opposed to each other. at the same time, we're going after isis in eastern syria. that's my feeling. however, as i stated, the calculation can change if you have evidence that chemical weapons are used a again. he said they don't have chemical weapons. we gave it up. you can't verify it. we never used them. the united nations has documented eight cases by the u.n. syria of chemical weapons used. whether that's chlorine or some other device. >> it's amazing to hear that out of his mouth. first time we saw it. there's worth that north korea may be preparing another nuclear test. the signs that the u.s. may be

cracking down harder on the rogue regime. and whether we're getting closer to a military confrontation. plus, president trump digging in on healthcare threatening to deal a critical who to obamacare to bring democrats to the negotiating table. this a smart strategy or could it backfire? after the show, you can join our live chat. we monitor it all. throw your questions this way. we read it all. you can also tweet us. we look at it during the show. see you there.

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>> north korean dictator kim jong-un may be upping his ante with the defiance of the united states. a big and important event is scheduled leading some to believe the north will be conducting their sixth nuclear test. fox news confirming the white house is considering other measures to deal with the north including stiffer sanctions. reuters reporting the sanctions may include an embargo on all

oil, intercepting cargo ships and punishing chinese banks that do business with the regime. and kim jong-un is a spoiled fat kid looking at nuclear arms as toys he can play with. he's the greater maniac of our time. >> you could be right about that. he could be. i've heard that phrase before. a spoiled -- >> crazy fat kid. >> i can't believe you just read the options of sanctions that are not in place. >> what do you think of that? >> it's ridiculous. if we meant business, why wouldn't this have been done already? the chinese turned away a few coal shipments, which is significant. that shows that they're perhaps coming around. why are you allowed to sell oil? defying the international community for how many years now? come on. >> americans need to understand

the great threat that north korea poses on our country. american intelligence agencies say that they would be capable, the north koreans would be capable of having long range ballistic missiles in the next four years. that's alarming. i don't think sanctions are enough. we're seeing this isolated leader like you're saying incredibly insane, willing to take on the united states and i don't even think china can handle the temper tantrum of kim jong-un. >> they can help but i don't believe it's going to be enough. >> i don't know what they can do. they've been testing and trying to perfect this. who knows when they're testing it. is it the iranians, outsourcing information that they gather on each test? the distance between north korea and japan's mainland is 700 or 800 miles. i don't know if they have the

technology to cover that space but they will at some point. whether that's a year or five years. >> and melissa, you brought up the last block, the relationship of the president of china and president trump now have. do you think that he could put pressure on them to invoke the financial sanctions? >> i do think he will get there because he understands how to make a deal with china. the chinese president cares most about economics. that's what he really needs. i have a very co-dependent relationship with china, but we would have a much easier time establishing relationships elsewhere. money is what talks in china. i think president trump knows how to negotiate that deal to get china's help to put pressure. it's not enough but a step in the right direction. he really needs to isolate this leader and i think it's a huge threat within this

administration, within this time frame, it's going to happen that they can do some real damage with the nuclear weapon. the world has to get serious about it and it starts with president trump. he understands the threat and will take it on. >> you sit back, we're still in the first 100 days of president trump and what he's facing as leader of this country. what is happening around the world and including this. i mean, how he's being tested so early in his presidency. >> my feeling is he's chosen to engage. for a long time, we chose not to. one thing -- >> a great point, by the way. >> you know, look, you have a carrier group steaming to the peninsula. you have all the action, et cetera. one thing about interviews he's done this week that i don't get and the comments with the secretary general. i don't think the president needs to tell us that china is no longer a currency manipulator. i don't think he needs to tell us the chinese are willing to

work with us on trade. we don't need to know that. if those are your negotiations behind the scenes, hide your cards and get the best darn deal possible. i don't think so early and so soon we need to be talking about that. >> all right. stay tuned to that. certainly won't go anywhere. president trump is not giving up in the battle to repeal and replace obamacare. he tells the "wall street journal" that he may stop payments to insurers. and the trump is busy establishing the deportation information that mr. trump promised. what homeland is doing to make it happen and how congress could get in the way. tech: when your windshield needs to be fixed...

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>> nearly three weeks after the republican bill to repeal and replace healthcare, obamacare

failed, president trump is reportedly making a new threat. he says in an interview with the "wall street journal" that he may withhold payments to insurers in order to force democrats to come around. he's referring to cost-sharing subsidies to help cut out of pocket expenses for lower income people and could collapse obamacare. obamacare is dead next month if it doesn't get that money. i haven't made my viewpoint clear yet. i don't want people to get hurt, but i think what should happen will happen as the democrats should start calling me and negotiating. democrats are slamming the idea. chuck schumer saying --

>> mercedes, what do you think? >> i don't think the president should be waiting by the phone because i don't think the democrats will be calling him. the best approach for president trump, he's just got to align the conservatives and moderate republicans to vote for this -- for the healthcare bill with the changes that the freedom caucus is offering and try to find that compromise with the moderates. that's the only road moving forward. for the democrats, their key is to maintain the obama legacy, that is obamacare. they're not going to budge. you might get a few moderate democrats in the senate that are in battleground states that in the end may oppose the president on healthcare. there's nuclear teot a lot of m from the democrats. >> and that threat is very interesting. you person making the threat is crazy enough to do it. i think he would to it. >> i would implore him not to, too. my home state of arizona is ground zero for obamacare.

one insurance provider in the state. i have personal friends of mine that have been hit very hard economically because of obamacare. i just think about the ramifications that it will have for average americans, people getting hit so hard by this. the attack ads write themselves in the mid-terms. i agree with mercedes. this is not how it's done. we have to get moderates and the freedom caucus on board before the mid-terms. i don't like this at all. >> you probably heard me say a shocker. we have not heard enough from chuck schumer lately. >> every day, every hours. >> he's not chosen his battles. but president threatening to hold healthcare for millions, scare tactics do work sometimes. >> they do. my feeling is that this is just another wrinkle in all of this negotiation. >> totally. >> mercy me. i mean, tell me if -- i don't see a resolution on this healthcare deal for another six

months. >> i think it's going to be sooner than you think. >> you do? >> i do. >> what do you know? >> tell us, mercedes. i was so emotional the day on the couch that it didn't go through. arizona, personal friends of mine from high school, hit so hard. if you're giving me -- >> i do believe you'll see -- >> what is your timeline? >> before august. before the tax reform. i believe that. maybe tax reform will happen in august. i do believe there's so much pressure right now. even you saw mark meadows, the congressman from the freedom caucus saying we're a lot closer. we're moving in the right direction. >> i've heard that before. i don't believe it until it's done. >> wore in a better place. >> quick question. can you with the republican majority in the house, run for mid-term re-election without repeal and replace and without tax reform? >> no. >> a deal for both. >> the pressure is on the republicans. they need to move on health

care, they need to move on tax reform. they will pay the political consequences in the mid-term election if these two items don't happen. >> whenever you know what you know, call in the show or be on that day. i want to know and celebrate with you ain't every one. >> it has to happen. the pressure is on the republicans to get it done. it will be sooner rather than later. >> just days after attorney general jeff sessions warned those entering the country illegally that is now the trump era, the administration signalling tougher action on immigration according to internal homeland security documents obtained by "the washington post." the agency is looking up ways to build up a nationwide deportation force. the documents show the agency found 33,000 more detention beds, open discussions to police authorities, identify where border wall construction can begin and ways to speed up the customs and border patrol officers including polygraph and

physical fitness tests. the plans are preliminary and expected to phase resistance to congress over costs. the plans are a scare tactic. fighting words. what do you make of this, bill? >> it's partially right, partially a bluff. across the country, the ebb -- deportations are picking up. a woman in southwest ohio was using a would have happened in the previous administration, but i think it's happening more and more now. and i think i the headlines

enforce the message that this time it's for real. >> yeah. i agree with that. i was talking to the attorney general from texas yesterday who was saying that we want to enforce the law that already exists. that's all we're talking about. there's not been a will to do it or encouragement to do it. now that's in place. he shade again, this is not about -- the example you're talking about is stark. >> which is a crime, by the way. that's the distinction that this administration is trying to make. >> absolutely. he was say ing in this kiss and in texas, there's not been a will with violent criminals. this is something that needs to change now at this point. that is something that he supports and will enforce. finally feels like there's a will to do it. >> there's several simply cases. one is that you're seeing in congress there's very little appetite for funding the border wall for dealing with the sanctuary cities. you're talking about the democrats even threatening a government shut down. when do we hear the democrats use that language, shutting down the government?

there's serious concerns there. but where you have attorney general jeff sessions being effective in reaching out to the u.s. attorneys saying this will be your priority, which is prosecution on these immigration cases. we're going to need to basically lessen this case load because as you know, if a person comes in illegally, they can stay here three to four years because of the backlog of the immigration. >> you think that deportation force is legitimate? >> i don't know. that is the big question. it's obviously coming from probably department of justice, but i don't know if they would move into what you would call a deportation force. you have these border agents in place. ice in place. they're taking action. they're moving forward. they're making sure that we're going to get rid of criminal aliens and take them out of the united states and hope they don't come back. >> the message is important. the last administration spread the world to central america it was okay. this administration is 180 degrees opposite. >> and you've seen what? the last individuals coming to

the united states. >> as far as how this plays out politically, megan, this is surely a sign to his base that he's following through on those campaign promises. they probably want him to push harder. >> yeah. but not to take it to a dark place. where are we going to get the money for it? there's not a big appetite to start building the wall. my interpretations of mexico building it. it can mean different things. how are we going to pay for it? when people see the bottom line, it costing $2 billion, i don't know if americans will get in line with that. >> speaker ryan has talked about pushing that to 2018, the funding for the border wall because of the fact that there is so -- there's not agreement in congress right now. >> yeah. >> but you can talk about a force that is more forceful. you know, more people there. there's more things there. doesn't have to be the actual wall. i know we've gone back and forth

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large bomb but the largest in the air force arsenal. it's known as the massive ordinance air blast, also called the mother of all bombs in common parlance. we just confirmed with the pentagon that the u.s. air force in afghanistan dropped this bomb, which is 21,000 pounds of ordinance. the first time it's been used in combat. it dropped it in the nangarhar province, not far from where the green beret was killed saturday. he was killed in small arms fire as he was going against some isis targets in afghanistan. we understand that this 21,000 bomb has been dropped not long ago. again, it has never been used in combat before. it was developed by the air force in 2003. we started hearing about it at the start of the iraq war. i remember it was often talked

about in terms of a potential weapon to be used in the event there were military strikes against iran's nuclear program because this is a very special kind of bomb that is a concussive weapon. it does not penetrate in the ground but it's capable of destroying tunnels and a large surface area. we're getting more details. this just occurred in afgh afghanist afghanistan. >> what more can you tell us about the area in which this large bomb was dropped? >> the nangarhar province is along the pakistan border, a mountainous region. it's not clear how -- what is baffling at this moment the time is how would one know there were not civilians in this area? it's a very mountainous area. the bomb blast radium for 21,000 pounds -- just to give you an

example, a tomahawk has 1,000 pounds of explosive warhead on it. 59 of those tomahawks were fired into syria. we saw the effects of those blasts. we're getting a video right now of the air force test of the moab, the massive ordinance air blast. you can see that it is a massive, massive blast. clearly this is designed to send a signal to the isis fighters in afghanistan in the -- coming days after the green beret was killed in the same area, but also given all that's going on around the world right now and with the pentagon anticipating that north korea could carry out a sixth nuclear test in the coming days to mark the anniversary of the north korean -- the birthday of the north korean leader's

grandfather, clear through this is designed to send a signal to u.s. adversaries that the u.s. has quite of range of weapons and to deter any kind of adventurism in the coming days. >> jennifer, this is the tora bora, the kiper pass and the hakami network. we would think about this part of the country in the original war on terror to late 2001. al-quaida certainly perhaps osama bin laden using that part of the country to get out to pakistan. when you describe isis in afghanistan, do we believe this transformation has happened entirely or is isis and al-quaida part of the same thing? >> it's very -- it's very difficult to separate the two. what we have seen in recent

months and years is that there are those on the ground in afghanistan who are started to pledge their loyalty to isis. but are they foreign fighters that came from syria that are -- who belong to is isis? it's mostly in these situations when you have on govern able territory, a suit of group is part of isis or the taliban, usually they're looking at the winning team. so we heard from u.s. commanders that they've seen beginnings of an isis network in afghanistan. it's clear that the green berets, the special forces on the ground in nangarhar over the weekend in which the staff sergeant was killed in that fighting over the weekend.

clearly this bomb, this very massive bomb, i will say, is designed to send a signal to isis and others as to the u.s. military capability. >> so they're trying to penetrate the caves and tunnels. the only way to access that is to go in hand-to-hand combat. but the power and the force of this bomb, jennifer, it could take the top of a mountain off with it. >> this is really -- this is the largest nonnuclear weapon in the u.s. arsenal. >> wow. >> so truly this is not just a symbolic weapon. it's a very powerful weapon. i don't have in front of me right now what the radius of such a bomb blast would be. but this is a massive piece of ordinance. there's a reason -- >> short of being nuclear. >> it's the mother of all bombs. it's the largest weapon in the

air forcearsenal. >> it's melissa francis. put that in context for us. when is the last time in this region we've done something like this? for our audience, you can think about how significant it is. it's a big deal, right? >> a big deal. hard to really -- first of all, the u.s. military has never done anything of this magnitude in afghanistan. there's been a move in recent years away from combat operations. u.s. forces have been supporting afghan forces as they fight horse to house. they limited air strikes for many years because they didn't want civilian casualties, which can lead to the recruitment of more -- of more anti-american and anti-government forces. shoe it is really somewhat head-scratching as to why a massive bomb would be used at

this point in time. we know in this area a green beret was killed saturday. >> jennifer, as we try to wrap our minds around this, you said it's never been used in afghanistan. this is a 21,000 pound bond. it's hard to conceptualize this. it was tested in 2003, you said. >> yes. tested in march of 2003. that's when we first learned about the weapon being part of the arsenal. think of the context. saddam hussein, the iraqi in vaccination -- invasion was just underway. there were concerns about iran's nuclear program. it's never been used in combat before. this is the first time. >> do we have any word from the white house yet since we have learned of this? >> no word from the white house and no word from the defense secretary at the pentagon. we have reached out. we're scrambling now --

>> is he there now, james matt tis? >> he's meeting with the turkish defense minister. again, you have to remember the geo political significance of what is going on in the world. you have kim jong-un on the eve on an important anniversary threatening to carry out a sixth nuclear test. he's been warned by china and the united states not to do so. there are -- there's evidence that he's moving forward with that. there's very clear that this bomb in afghanistan would send a signal to kim jong-un as well as bashar al-assad. bashar al-assad on television today saying the u.s. contacting this story about chemical weapons. it's very clear that the use of this bomb is not just clear to send a message to isis but to the rogue world leaders. >> jennifer griffin live with the breaking news from the pentagon. so to wrap this up, the u.s. has dropped the largest nonnuclear

bombs, 21,000 pounds in either afghanistan. it's called the mother of all bombs. the largest nonnuclear bomb in our arsenal. we'll stay on this story. we'll be right back. he best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org.

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briefing. this will happen minutes after we learned that the u.s. dropped the largest nonnuclear upon in eastern afghanistan. 21,000 pounds. they call it the mother of all bombs. you can expect sean spicer to step up and be peppered with questions about what is going on there. we have not heard reaction from the white house. we'll take this to the couch. bill hemmer is with us. you know this area well. >> i had the great fortune of watching the u.s. military in the early days testify war on terror. knowing this has happened and you know about tunnels, the caves, the villages. >> this is a file picture of the bomb we're being told. >> this is dropped from an mc-130 air force plane. it's big. lumbers through the sky. the c stands for cargo.

they can take the 130 and outfit it with a row of weapons. it will circle over an area and leash fire down below depending where the target is. in this case, this plane has been converted to carry a 21,000 pound bomb and send a message to isis that by all accounts, it appears to be strengthening. >> when you say 21,000 pounds, each tomahawk cruise middssile s 1,000 pounds. this 21,000 pounds. hard to wrap your mind around that. >> enormous impact and sending a strong message. we talked about during the break, doing this and being in syria. i see it all connected. this is the new sheriff in town. he's serious. he's not messing around.

he's sending that message everywhere. it's not even separate actions. to me, it's a unified strategy to show force in seriousness. >> think about the number of meetings this president has had with generals at the white house. just two nights ago, he had a list of 20 or 25 over for dinner. they're talking about how to defeat the adversaries of this country an an hour-to-hour basis. >> and the unpredictability. one thing that president trump has said. my foreign policy has said it will be unpredictable. all of our faces were shocked when we heard jennifer's report on the bomb. his priority so to defeat isis. this is why he's moving forward in this place in afghanistan. what does this mean in other nations like yemen that harbor isis? it's sending a clear message to them, which is watch yourself. we're coming after you. this is a very bold move by the

president. >> it's a complete and total paradigm shift from the obama administration's foreign policy in every conceivable way. there's so much sacrifice, so many -- i personally -- my brother has had multiple deployments. i know there's a feeling or had been a feeling with the military of frustration that president obama wouldn't let them win. what are the ramifications? we'll wait and see. saying there's a new sheriff in town doesn't put -- >> with a big shining star. we're now engaged in six different countries with military action. it's afghanistan, iraq, syria, to a lesser degree yemen, somalia and libya right now. >> bill hemmer, you saw new pictures coming in. that's the bomb itself that we're talking about, the mother of all bombs. the largest nonnuclear bomb in our arsenal.

these are new images coming in, file pictures coming in. centcom has responded with a statement. this is part of on going efforts to defeat isis in afghanistan. >> remember rex tillerson's response about syria? our strategy is the same removing assad. it starts with getting isis. this is what he said was the beginning of that long range plan. i understand this is afghanistan, but he said our priority is removing isis. >> but you have to sell it to the american people. americans are not necessarily willing to step into all these war hot zone s. it's very important for president trump to send a message and explain -- >> he's in the air flying to florida for easter weekend. i'm sure when he lands, what will he say?

how will he character ize? >> james mattis, when will he spoke? we'll have live reaction from the white house press briefing pick it up where you are left off, the massive bomb dropped on afghanistan, calling it the largest nonnuclear bomb to be deployed, welcome to the second hour of "happening now" as we taken that breaking news, i am jenna lee. >> jon: i am jon scott. we are awaiting the daily white house press briefing. sean spicer. to the microphone and surely there will be questions about the use of that bomb in afghanistan. here's the thing, what it looks like, 24,000-pound conventional bomb dropped after the death of a green beret fighting isis in afghanistan. kevin corke is live at the white house. what more do we know? >> right now, we are awaiting the preef