>> thanks so much. catch me on "finance company." we started 9:00 and rico all the way through till nine eastern. "the five" is next. ♪ speaker hike mime greg gutfeld with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, eric bolling, and dana perino. "the five" ." it was the mother of all bombs and the mother of all messages. >> at around 7:00 p.m. local time in afghanistan, the united states military used heb you 43 weapon, it is a accurately delivered weapon, we targeted a system of tunnels and caves that isis used to move

around freely, making it easier for them to target u.s. military advisors and forces in the area. the united states takes the fight seriously, and in order to beat the group, we must deny them operational space, which we did. >> so we just dropped a big, beautiful bomb. it smashed isis titles but it did more than that, it ruined north korea's we can pick their coming up from their founder's birthday which means a missile test. what did we do? we preempted it. we out north korea'd north career. if earth is a village, they are the town drunk and we just smacked upside the head while beating the village gang, which is isis. they will respond with their own party favors, but we have seen the act before, and today, we

hit first. it's like a tricky neighbor decides to throw a party, and you decide to happen earlier with van halen playing with the original lineup. that is what we did. we looked persuasive, especially with president trump's meeting with china. the goodness about north korea, unlike the northern hot spots, no islamic death cult waiting in the wings. 25 million people may finally be free, so it is not just about posting a notice but liberating the world's largest prison camp, it may be a big, fat, beautiful bomb is the laxative that will move things along. dana, everything in trump's administration is always big. it is the big bomb. my thesis is that it is a larger message. is there any credence to that?

>> part of the thing that is interesting is that we don't know praise the pentagon hasn't given us information yet, details that will, but i do think it is a return to taking the fight to the enemy, we can choose how we fight this war, and i think that because there has been increased activity in that region, especially with increased aces fighters, going in and out of the middle east through afghanistan. they must've had really good intelligence that says this is a target of opportunity. i would be interested to find out why they decided to use that bomb for the first time. i think that's very interesting and i think it sends a message to everybody else. >> eric, does this smell like madness? very decisive, you know where it's coming from. >> i think with the last two weeks prove is that this is that big. i think the syrian situation as a heads up. remember, those tomahawks were launched with presidency presif

china at the dinner table, hold on, i'll be back. comes back, finishes some cake. the following week, we drop 821,000 parliament bomb the size of five automobiles, a concussion bomb while kim jong-un is now saying he may test his own form of bomb on saturday. i think trump realizes this is the hot spot he has to worry about, and the linchpin to all of this, the kingpin isn't russia, isn't putin, it's china. he must've had a very good meeting because china, don't forget, they voted to epstein at the u.n. yesterday, security council saying come here with trump on this one. the last eight years, china would have voted against it, this time they said, we are with trump.

if kim jong-un doesn't get the message from trump, from china, he is in a whole heap of trouble right now. >> what do you make of this, kimberly? is the timing the thing, that it happens today? >> i think the timing, the execution, a president that is listening to the intelligence reports, listening to the people that he picked to help them stabilize our country, other regions that he knows are in our best interest to have national security, we are playing catch-up from eight years, to be quite honest. nevertheless, he is the president now, he is relying on mcmaster, he is relying on matiis and i think those are excellent decisions. i like the fact that he's not afraid to make a decision, not going to equivocate for eight years. north korea should be very concerned, specifically kim jong-un, because nobody seems to want to tolerate his

conduct anymore. i think it is very decisive that china has, at this very pivotal time, decided to lean towards the united states. a lot of diplomacy and talk that went on, definitely benefited by the time along that president trump had with president xi in terms of their interpersonal relationship. >> let me follow this up. in these meetings and dinner and subsequent meetings, the fact that trump said, and assessment of his campaign promises, going to name and label china a currency manipulator, the fact that he came out and said, we are going to rethink that, he probably made a deal and said, look, kim jong-un is going to be a problem for us and for you. we'll play ball with you on this currency manipulation, which is not a small thing. >> that was trump's main thing. >> it is also a major setback for chinese-u.s. trade if he did

that. that may be part of the dealmaking. >> certainly can't let him slap them around and label them a currency manipulator. you need their cooperation right now. >> that is quite a shift. juan, and i absurd -- am i absurd in making this? not just going after isis but sending a message. >> i don't think there's anything necessarily about the power of the bomb, although everybody is writing the headlines about the most powerful nonnuclear bomb. >> the mother of all bombs. why can't it be father? >> the issue to me is the symbolism. i think that is what trump plays on, extends to north korea to that extent, say to the whole world, we are not afraid to use massive military power. earlier in the week we saw, i think they were 18 syrians killed by the bombing.

in the aftermath of that, i think he is making a symbolic statement about his willingness to use military might. it pleases, i think, his base, the base that was going after obama probing too cool, thoughtful. mcmaster gave him options here. i think trump went for the biggest show. a little bit of shock and operate >> i'm not sure it pleases his base he ran on quite a bit of economic and foreign policy nationalists. >> here is why i think -- no, i heard kimberly right away, making up for the last eight years. since 1953 when we signed a deal with north korea, we have had successive administrations, republican and democrat, that have not gone directly after this guy and tried to play ball and find a way to encourage him to stop the bad behavior.

not this guy in particular for three generations of leadership. i will say this about what you saw from president trump is that trump is a guy who doesn't know what to do with north korea right now. he is trying to get the chinese. the chinese have already pulled back on coal imports, but they are still doing a great deal of business with north korea. >> you said that come up for six decades, presidents on both side of the aisle but don't do with them. you are saying trump doesn't know, maybe the dropping the mother of the bomb on him, then the tomahawks to syria, it may shake this guy up. >> i think it was john mccain who called kim jong-un a fat, crazy kid. angered him to no end. >> it angered me too. >> because you're a sensitive soul. one of the things i think mcmaster and others have suggested is, let's go kill him.

it's illegal, i know that, dena. >> you think mcmaster said, let's go kill him? >> i think if you asked me for options in terms of the power arrangement in korea given they have so few alternative actions, i would say, if you want to stop this guy, the fat crazy kid cannot go kill him. >> dana come at the point is, it's like a ritual. with every new president after the inauguration comes the north korea challenge. >> i like the ruining there we can before they can ruin our spirit >> tired of having to wait for them. look at what america did. >> we hopefully will get more information from the administration to the extent they can tell us. part of the reason we been doing this for six decades is, we've been trying to prevent the proliferation. but the clock is running out. i think that is what you see an increase in activity. the other thing recently, they

have used their newspaper that goes into north korea to basically warn the north koreans not to do it. that trump is serious. that was interesting. >> one other factor to consider, we have so many troops in south korea, so the north koreans have lots of troops too. if we do something there short of taking out the leader, it could be that they then rush in. that's a whole different dynamic. >> that's part of the complexity of the situation. when you say president trump doesn't know what to do with north korea, i think he does know what to do with north korea and he is doing it. a multifaceted approach. part of it is diplomacy in terms of relying on allies and getting people to partner with us in order to do something but situation that, like dana said, we have run out of time. using president xi to help him, and we have seen that development. abstaining in the boat at the u.n. all of these things are part of

that peace and that relationship. >> you can't just keep the vinson of short hope they don't test the capabilities because eventually they will and eventually they will use it. but how do you get kim jong-un who, as he pointed out, the founder, the the grandfather. to whom? is it a united korean peninsula? is it chinese? it gets chippy. >> all of the people he is killed because of revenge. >> the one thing i would say on this is, i don't think he has the capacity, according to sean spicer commit to hit us in the u.s. yet, but that is why this is so important right now. stop and before he gets there. >> ahead, the inside story on what happened with that monster bombing. the u.s. dropping the mother of all bombs to crush isis. that is next.

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[ [ screams ] ] [ shouting ] brace yourself! this is crazy! [ tires screeching ] whoo! boom baby! rated pg-13. [ screams ] >> the u.s. dropped the largest nonnuclear bomb in our arsenal

on caves and tunnels used by the terrorism network. here is what our commander in chief said early. >> we are so proud of our military and it was another successful event. >> did you authorize it? >> everybody knows exactly what happened. i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done their job as usual. frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately. if you look at what has happened over the last eight weeks, over the last eight years, you will see there is a tremendous difference. >> jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. you have been following the story since it broke. let me ask you couple of things. with the president just said, was he referring to changes possibly in terms of delegation and making the national security council a little less micromanaging of the pentagon? is that what he was referring to just now? >> well, it seems like he is referring to the fact that there

has been an apparent shift from the last administration. as you remember, dana, the biggest criticism, written about that bob gates and leon panetta come out was frustration in the military that they would have to call, and there was actual targeting being done by the national security council. that being said, we asked the pentagon today if there'd been changes to the rules of engagement, and they said, not officially. there had been no official rules of engagement that would change. the top u.s. commander in afghanistan, he has had the authority they say he needed to go after isis and al qaeda-linked groups, and the rest of the mission in afghanistan has been basically train, advise, and assist. >> take it around the table. greg? >> i want to go back to my original thesis and ask if it holds any water. the size and type of the bomb some type of message to our

adversaries? >> absolutely, greg. there is a reason that this size bomb, 21,000 pounds, a blast radius of a mild wide, the plume that would come from using a bomb like this is 10,000 feet in the air. the last time they tested it in 2003, that is how high the cloud rose up. inevitably, this has a psychological effect. but also it was used in a very remote part of afghanistan in nangarhar province. these were tunnels, not uninhabited area, per se. but back and forth, very close to the pakistan border, and i can't help but think, is much as they were saying this was a tactical weapon, it also has some geo-significance. the timing just two days before north korea is expected to perhaps carry out another nuclear test to mark a holiday

there, the fact that pakistan has not done enough to stop the taliban and isis fighters from passing back across that border and the fact that today the syrian president said that the u.s. had concocted the chemical weapon accusations and had carried out the attack with isis fighters in syria. all of this and then also, just a day after rex tillerson was in moscow, again, this is designed to send a psychological message as much as it was designed to kill anything. >> eric bolling? >> you talk about it 1 mile blast radius. we're so used to seeing reports of the actual blast. did we hit the intended target? i understand it is a concussion bomb, explodes over the air, but did they come back as a successful mission? >> right now, it is nighttime in afghanistan, and were told the

air force is scrubbing video of the strike. they do plan to release video of it as soon as that is declassified. again, the reason to use a weapon like this would be partially a psychological effect. they are going to want to release video of it to show what it was capable of. but we do not have many from the bomb damage assessment, still being done, conducted by the pentagon. there are some reports, local reports, from the afghan governor of that province who said it is not a populated area and they say they took measures to avoid civilian casualties. >> juan williams? >> hi, a member of our special forces was killed in afghanistan, mark de alencar, age 34, edgewood, maryland, i wonder if that might have triggered the idea that we need to go in there and send what you

describe is a very powerful symbolic message. and i was told that he was killed in the midst of a combat fight against isis and isis has recently killed about 88 members of the afghan eight members of training. the interesting part, very few, actually, members of isis in afghanistan and most of them are pakistani. i wonder if you know more? >> well, the pentagon says that it is merely a coincidence, the timing of the use of this weapon. certainly it is notable, juan, that just last saturday a green beret member of the seventh group was killed by small arms fire, conducting an operation against the spirit isis tunnels. the pentagon saying it is not in retaliation for the death of that special forces army soldier. >> kimberly guilfoyle?

>> curious intensive the intelligence reports they were getting and how they received that information, i guess, and the time frame in terms of making this decision to act and drop this bomb. >> i think there's several things going on. right now, general nicholson is noticing enough to cover not only taliban attacks, especially down in the helman province, but some of the form fighters from afghanistan, not necessarily from syria. these are guys who essentially change their uniforms and go with whatever they think the winning team is. the estimates, the latest intelligence estimates, about 1,000 of these isis fighters inside afghanistan. i think this is part of the larger strategy of taking on isis basis wherever they crop out around the world. >> jennifer griffin, you've been working all day and i know you

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♪ >> some very sharp words today from our seat cia director forn assange. in his first public speech since taking charge of the agency, mike pompeo shredded assange for leaking confidential information. >> entities like wikileaks are both perplexing and deeply troubling. it is time to call it wikileaks for what it really is, a hostile intelligence service often aided

by actors like russia. their currencies click made, their moral compass, nonexistent. julian assange and the like are not the least bit interested in civil liberties or enhancing personal freedom. they have been under the first amendment shields them from interest. assange is a narcissist. he relies on the dirty work of others to make himself famous. he is a fraud, a coward hiding behind a screen. we can no longer allow eglin and his colleagues the ability to use free-speech values against us, it is a perversion of what our great constitution stands for. >> any questions? >> admin cannot can be we run that again? listen to that and sleep well at night. this is the cia director's first public comments to make unity speech would be picked up, he decided this would be the moment he lays down the law. consisted day or two after julian assange published an op-ed in "the washington post" that he said he sacrificed so

much but he is doing it in the name of truth and the truth will set you free. actually what mike pompeo just said, laying it on the line. i think it was good to say that we can't allow free speech for them to be able to crush us with that. those are values, we have to protect them. the cia and intelligence community has work to do in terms of ensuring the security of our information to make sure it doesn't get into our their . i think it was strong and calling out russia. >> very interesting. >> that was the second mother of all bombs. >> how is he feeling now? i thought it was strong, forceful, i met the people that work at the agency really did appreciate his comments, talk about the difficult work they do every day. he made it very clear, and i think this was an important point, that julian assange and wikileaks is making it harder for them to keep americans safe. and that, i think, needed to be

said in terms of the collateral damage of people during the campaign, much larger security interests that are affected by this information that is released. it sounds like somebody got a target on their back. >> juan, before i let you take on these two ladies, alec greg jump on. demo that you have added. >> he asks, why is this kite romanticized? generally because people romanticize people who speak truth to power or fight against government forces. however, the true hypocrisy is that he is choosing a republic like the united states, prettiest in the country of the world, done more than any other country. the one thing if he was leaking against cuba or venezuela or russia. >> north korea. >> the fact that people lionize in or romanticize him, because he is fighting the government. in this case, the government is

the good guy, he's the bad guy. what he is doing is, he is enabling terrorists to take advantage of the stuff he leaks. he is putting our guys at risk. he is a traitor. he can't be a traitor. he is not american. >> counter to these very cogent arguments is that julian assange is in the leaker, just the one who brings the leaks that are given to him to the public. snowden was actually a whistleblower, not a leaker. >> if you want to break it down, i think he is a stooge. i think he is used by the russians. going back to the election, he somewhat trumpeted. encouraging the russians to get information on hillary clinton and then channel it through cannot guess who, assange. we know now, it is so real, not a joke. the thing about this is, i have

been back been back-and-forth -- >> can we clarify that? >> can i finish a thought? am i allowed to finish a thought on this show? >> forget about it. too real in terms of russia's ability and what we know now about russia hacking purposely the clinton campaign. asking to help donald trump win the election. i just want to say, i have been back and forth on this, it seems to me like snowden had performed a valuable public service for america and letting us know that are intelligence agencies, conducting illegal surveillance and that our own director had applied at one point about whether or not there was surveillance, domestic surveillance. but i have way now moved away from this idea, because what i see going on is that it is so clear that assange, i think he is fed up, i think he has used other people, and now the russians have used him and it is

all to create this idea that you can't trust anything you hear on the news, you can't trust anybody in power in the united states. everybody is a liar, trust no one preach to me, this breaks down the fabric of our society. >> but do you trust, i basically say were not spying -- >> that is why i say, going back and forth. ultimately, we were held accountable, right? >> you guys. >> okay, number one, as an american, and understand my government has to keep certain things for me in order to allow us to be safe. if they do engage in certain kinds of espionage or spying, i kind of understand that. i get it. i actually like it. and i don't believe it's a violation of rights. >> they spy on you, it is. >> no, it's not. >> you will group the practice, but it's certainly a violation.

>> no question. >> where? >> they are not interested in him. >> i don't understand. >> it worst-case scenario, you don't want a dictator to come and that says, i can't stand greg gutfeld, i'm going after him. no. speak up that's not what -- >> i know. >> i agree. >> there is an argument that it is a breach of a constitutional right against unreasonable search and seizure, fourth amendment. >> where? >> they say the security risk overrides that constitutional right. that's where we are. that is, in a nutshell, the debate. you asked for it. is the mainstream media biased against democrats? that's a question you don't hear often. one of hillary clinton's former aides is convinced the press

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get outta here. ♪i would have liked you anyway♪ ♪ >> welcome back. a former top aide of hillary clinton has quite a twist on the subject of media bias. jennifer palmieri admitted that most of the press leads to the left, but according to her, it is democrats that they are going after. >> i think most journalists are probably leaning more to the left than the right. what i have found is, it means they come after us harder on the intrigue, on the process, on things that really should matter. >> okay cannot wait, what? is this opposite day? what do you make of this? >> you know what's funny? she is almost rate.

the media, they do lean very left, and the democrats may not be progressive enough for them. however, they still hates the right. they hate the right more than they like the left. you will never win over them if you are conservative, not a liberal. i want to point out, the white house correspondents dinner, big news is, woodward and bernstein are going to be speaking there. what did donald trump do? just took one of the most famous journalism events and he turned it into a journalism event. by not going, he made it about journalism again. they should be thanking him. >> unbelievable. but will there still be parties? >> i think the beauty is in the higher of eye of the beholder. >> i guess i can see, the clinton campaign when she was sunk in a very upset with "the new york times" and a lot of its coverage, health, especially because there was so

much support to the far left, getting the raw deal from the media on that. but i have to say, especially when it comes to the ridicule from a lot of reporters about republicans, look at the caricature is that they to make. sarah palin, donald trump, et cetera. i can see where she is coming from, but i definitely think that the far right is much more maligned than the left when it comes to media bias. >> eric, what do you think of her comment? >> look, among the news journalists on the networks, i would say that maybe she has a point that they want to be fair, so they will put pro trump people on end and i trump people on. the problem is, they will have four or five anti-trump, that's fine, but the pro-trump people they are putting on aren't equipped to defend themselves

against three or four of the others. juan is a liberal. unconservative. we can be whatever we want to call ourselves. but he is equipped to handle us. i think what happens is, with cnn and msnbc commit yes, there is representation of the right, but the representation of the right is certainly far outsmart, i would say. >> juan, there was a compliment in there for you. >> i think so. >> i am listening to jennifer palmieri it was some interest here because i think she is right. the issue is something like, remember when, going back to wikileaks, the message about jennifer palmeri is attacking catholics and some conversation? >> that was not fair. >> ended up on wikileaks, someone said, jennifer palmieri and john podesta are both practicing catholics. and this never gets covered and

you think, why is the gossip treated as big news when it comes to the clinton campaign. i think it was ari fleischer today that set the press never liked the clintons, but that like obama. the first black guy, i don't know. got to say, that the press, in fact, in order to prove that they are not anti-right goes hard on the left. >> could it be that everybody couldn't stand hillary? left or right? >> as i pointed out about bernie sanders, the status quo candidates. >> unbelievable. nevertheless, seem to protest about about this, feel they are maligned and it is unfair to them. >> who? >> i think the left. >> interesting because the right dominates talk radio. trump got so much free coverage, not only here, but talking about how much coverage cnn gave.

i think trump played us all. >> or did we play trump? oh. speak up next on "the five," another segment, trump is the law. okay commit some big developments, our thoughts on some developments within the west wing ahead.

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♪ >> president trump has been in office less than 100 days. some believe he has started to embrace more mainstream policies than the ones he campaigned on. >> president and administration in the white house that looks like they are doing a pretty hard reboot right now, and we have a lot of campaign promises being traded in. we have a much more conventional version of trump is foul trump. that is probably helpful for republicans, because where the next race is next week is in suburban atlanta which are the very kind of voters who recoiled

from trumpism 1.0. what i was going to ask dana, about the literary of things, nato is important, china is not a currency manipulator, janet yellen is terrific at the fed, export important, border adjustment tax, i wasn't serious, it goes and on. >> a lot of policies can change once you get into the white house, and i think that president trump is especially willing to be flexible after he meets people one-on-one. that's the best example of that, president xi, might be because strategically he knows he needs the help of north korea. i also think that when he says they have great chemistry and he's like, i really like him, that makes a big difference for president trump. those one-on-one relationships make a difference. people within the white house explaining things to him -- remember the ceos that come in and they are exploding with the export import thing makes sense. like, okay. i don't think is based leaves

him, i don't think they voted for him for that, his tough talk on immigration is probably the most important thing he can do, why he is very consistent on the wall. >> eric, take us inside the drama. a lot of people think this is that because steve bannon is no longer in there, jericho snippet >> he takes their comments, he makes the decision on his own. other people aren't making that decision for donald trump. dana is 100% right on, things change, this currency manipulation thing ended up being a great bargaining chip for donald trump. times change but barack obama walked into the white house with one idea on his terror strategy, 5 minutes into the white house after he was grieved by the intel department, that's completely change. he pivoted as well. that's what happens. also, before you get buried in

this, he is now a globalist, he may become -- he looks for the right deal for the country and makes that deal. i wouldn't slap him with nationalist or globalist too quickly. >> kimberly can i do think that trump's core basis think about why is he shifting on so many things he promised us during the campaign? >> if you were to shift on immigration and say, in terms of, he said he was going to strong on military, he is doing that. his strong on immigration, giving the border patrol agents the support they need. i think he has been very consistent. i think he got to know her and work with her directly and have confidence in janet as an individual. he meets people and that makes a difference. i would rather have the president that is flexible and able to change his opinion and mind on things after he accesses

additional information. that commit to me, is good. >> it's a little hard to take. if you were arguing that this policies were a departure from traditional republican conservative policy and he recalled all sorts of names, all of a sudden now he is back to all of those. that's fine, that's great, but there is something to be said about consistency in that regard. >> greg, if you are in the white house and jared kushner came over with some passive or cookies for steve bannon, would you say, i'm not having any? >> i am going by the culture thermometer. the writer she gets, the more i know that she is changing. i am okay with this shift. i believe that ideology shortcuts thinking, should be thinking about everything individually. you can be against certain kinds of immigration and for other kinds. i'm with you on this. if you are a person who calls people names, you're okay with this, not good. >> wow.

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controlled water. >> that was a fish pool you were walking by. let's move this quickly. >> live tonight, 8:00, i'm going to fill in for bill o'reilly. big show. sebastian gorka is going to take us through the policies. might have a little full-screen on that. and carter page, carter pages the former trump advisor who is being surveilled. accused of having some sort of ties, we will ask him why he was surveilled. 8:00, five. >> all right, time for this. ♪ here it is. it is happening again. another job stolen by a robot. birmingham, alabama, where he will service this year's grand marshal at the honda indy grand prix of alabama. april 21st, birmingham, a robot will be leaving -- is it the green flag at the front? i don't really care. >> at bristol.

>> it is over. who's next? kimberly? >> after watching bolling and tucker, you can watch me on sean hannity. ari fleischer, and general tata. >> awesome. juan, your turn. >> for the second time in three years, the pulitzer prize for poetry went to someone from the city university of new york. won a pulitzer for his poetry, a detroit native come up and on his book for seven years. his fellow poet won back in 2015 for his book. they say that this win shows the value of diversity and ambition in the city of new york system, i would agree. only 21 categories in which you can win a pulitzer. a stunning victory.

amazing. >> you have to apply to win. >> that's why you haven't won? >> yeah. [laughter] >> you're going to be very jealous. >> oh! "special report" next! >> this is a fox news alert. i'm threadbare. in washington, the u.s. military has dropped its biggest bomb ever on your terrorists and caves. the device contains 11 tons of explosives. this comes on a a date when president and cia director points the finger directly at russia and the founder of gleeks in a conspiracy against the u.s. kevin corke subject white house with how recent events may be changing the worldview. the details on the wikileaks connection and the cia director's charges from this