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attacked. anyone who knows what's really going on inside the hermit kingdom, he wrote a biography of kim jong il, the previous dictator. he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. from a nonexpert point of view, this looks ominous. almost scary. should we be concerned? >> we absolutely need to be concerned. they have been preparing for 70 years, the u.s. imperialists will come back and finish the job we started in the korean war. this is part of their mythology. children have to wait outside the library at at night, this is something they've been prepping for for decades. >> tucker: we know they have an enormous military, what do they want, what is their aim? >> they want to hold onto power at any cost necessary. the u.n. was expelled from north korea because kim jong il said if we -- they won't need the government.

up to 10% of the population starved. when you look at libya, iraq, when these regimes go down, the people at the top are personally killed. kim jong il has a very invested interest, even if he doesn't believe in the system anymore. >> tucker: he does seem evil but in a rational actor. he received power as a very young man. i mean, an attack on south korea wouldn't help them, would it? >> at the same time, his back against the wall, his father got the supreme commander role according to mythology because kim ill song said if we lose, you have to live with the spirit of the bullet or the bomb and lay down your life on behalf of the leader because these people are not going down without a fight, the pyung young metro, a

huge percentage of their infrastructure is subterranean, they have been waiting for years, they are taught it in schools that we are going to come back and kill them all. >> tucker: how will they react to feeling cornered? >> i am absolutely terrified. your member during the campaign, if someone hits coming out to hit them back harder. there is no allegiance to anyone. the scariest part is, there 100000-200,000 people in work camps right now. they are told explicitly and constantly if the u.s. imperials invade, we will kill you all. we might be looking at genocide within one day. >> tucker: we have a lot of american troops in south korea and the north korean government has said they will be killed immediately. is that a possible threat? >> yes, soul is the capital of south korea. for them to strike seoul,

south korea, that would be absolutely easy to do and kim jong il said they would turn south korea into a hedgehog. this has been their idea for a very long time. >> tucker: the above assumption of a lot of people in washington is that china will prevent this from happening. is that true? do they have control? >> no, china has been leaning on them and trying to get them to calm down fairly very long time. they basically give the finger to china, russia, japan and the u.s. in the '70s, they built a statue and they changed it to bronze. kim jong il said the chinese system won't work here, we are korean, our system is for us. they called themselves the

shrimp among whales. they love that they are taking on the big guys as small, scrappy guys. >> tucker: what is the right call at this point? the west does not want to see a hydrogen bomb in the hands of the north korean government. how do you stop them without provoking a confrontation? >> anyone who says there is an easy, good answer here is not telling the truth. crossing the river and setting up camp in manchuria, it's a nightmare situation with no simple answer. >> tucker: is there any answer? >> it's going to have to be some kind of marshall plan between china, russia, japan, south korea and us. they are not going to relinquish their hold on power voluntarily. >> tucker: horrifying. you didn't make me feel better but i appreciate the informatio information. north korea and isis are grabbing headlines but the most likely to it and your life in

this country is ms-13. it has 6,000 members here in the u.s. and it's growing rapidly. just yesterday, they were suspected in a horrific quadruple murder in long island, new york. what is fueling their growth and what can we hope to do about it? i a retired fbi special agent joins us in washington. thanks for coming on. this is a threat that hasn't received weirdly little publicity. a lot of people have died as a result of ms-13 activity. give us a sense of this organization. >> it began in the 1980s in los angeles as a stoner gain. it was more drug use. and then it became very violent because their founders actually came from the rebellion in el salvador. they are part of this peasant guerrilla fighters. they brought that warfare to

los angeles. it spread out through the united states. living here in the washington, d.c., area we see a terrible problem in virginia and throughout maryland and d.c. proper. it's become almost the hub of ms-13 activity in the united states. los angeles was the origination point but this area as well as boston, massachusetts, areas of new york and new jersey are being overrun. any communities from central america settled, they move in and disrupt the neighborhood and local immigrants that are trying to become part of the american fabric. they are destroying that fabric. >> tucker: normal people so suffer first, always. >> the deal with the problem a little bit late to the party, that task force has since done raids all over the united states. there've been hundreds of arrests but 6,000 reputed members, after the numbers closer to 8000-10,000. that was an estimate in 2009.

these numbers are very fluid because we don't know who it isa member. they've been traditionally known by the facial tattoos, very proudly putting the ms label and ms-13 all over their bodies but now they are shying away from that in some areas because they realize they kind of stand out when you have the tattoos across your forehead. they are moving towards let's not taught ourselves so we can get away with some more crimes. that's an even scarier factor because if they hide as well as they do now, it will be tougher for us to find them. >> tucker: the salvadoran government is very worried about them, they have called them a terror organization. why should we call them one? >> we should, if we look at what they do. you look at hezbollah, hamas, they are terror groups but also political entities associated with that. it's not true for ms-13.

they are kidnapping, child prostitution, murder, murder for hire, rape. that's all they do. there is no legitimate group. anyone that's associated with this ms-13 is involved in terrorism. and terrorism by definition is trying to change political attitudes and using force and the threat of violence and that's what they do. >> tucker: sold if the salvadoran government thinks that's the case, they would know, what's the hesitation on the part of our government to make that designation? >> i don't know. we should look at the facts, cold and detached from the fact that this is an immigrant group. they're coming to commit crimes and are already hearing recruiting to commit crimes. most of their leaders have come from el salvador but since guatemala, honduras and now within the united states, those

leaders -- crimes were committed overseas in mexico or in central america's and they fled into the united states to hide. that's not a good sign. >> tucker: boy. it's been a pretty intense a block tonight. up next, new scientific studies argue that babies are already racist by six months old. i will talk to the lead researcher to find out how he reached that conclusion. the final settlement under the opioid epidemic. how doctors can address addiction and the larger crisis. and out of the korean peninsula, these are life pictures of the birthday celebration. we will monitor news out of that region by the minute. so stay tuned.

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>> tucker: we have pictures of a baby, cute. we blurred the face to protect its identity because we have bad news, you are looking at a bigot. according to no pair of scientific papers, your baby is one too. you know just sit six months old, your baby is racist. when babies -- sad music makes them linger on the faces of other races. the lead research for this study joins us now.

thank you. pardon my skepticism, it's hard to believe that babies are bigots. are you sure? >> i'm not saying babies are bigots, i'm saying looking at whether or not the babies are really biased to associate certain emotions with their own race versus other races. what we have discovered however is that three months old, they are not. they don't associate their emotions and however after about six months of life, the babies start to show some bias. we show them the music is happy, they tend to look longer at their own race individuals. >> tucker: so they go bad at six months? boy, it just seems so early. what's the punishment? >> i don't think there's any punishment for it. the reason is because most of us who are born into multiracial families, -- one racial family,

we tend only see them. we have very limited experience with other races. we tend to show normal biases that we feel and come with things that are new or unfamiliar. because of this and when it's other race individuals they are not familiar with, they tend to associate some negative feelings with it. that's the beginning of it. >> tucker: i am not a social scientist or researcher but it seems unlikely you could measure the racial attitude of a 3-month-old more than like my diaper is dirty or i want milk. >> whether or not we tend to learn -- the babies learn -- for example, in the second study we did, we showed only adults teaching kids about what is

going to come up. in one condition, both of them actually 100% correct. in this condition, babies don't care. regardless of your own race or other race, they learn from the them. when both of them are incorrect, 100% of the time and they don't want to learn from any of them. babies are very, very smart. the critical question is, one both adults are 50% correct, what does the baby do? we found that the baby would like to learn more from the other race individuals are 100% incorrect. i don't think this is bigotry or racism at play at this young age. this is the basis that we may build up with our. and then diverse when we look at our own race. >> tucker: from a nonexpert point of view, the suggest that these attitudes are not learned

behavior but a product of evolutionary biology. as someone who covers politics, i'm pretty certain that your study is going to leak into the new government for babies. >> i hope not. one thing, we are not predisposed biologically to be racially biased. this is what our findings suggested. it seems to be basically our early experience is if it's very exclusive, we tend to have more bias. i think it depends on parents. and educators. whether or not you want your kids to develop these biases. for example, you could introduce your kids -- babies -- to read a story books that are depicting people from all over the world. i think that's good to help your child to see more individuals from different races, ethnicities, as well as expose them to different cultures.

i think it would've been make your your babies more worldly. in terms of government programs. it's a good message from the study. >> tucker: call me cynical but i have a feeling that this is going to justify a whole new range of intrusion into people's family lives where all of a sudden government regulators and do-gooders and people with guns are going to rearrange the family in the interest of promoting power or whatever. >> no, no. totally wrong. the early experience is very important. for many, many studies, the early experiences are very important. the idea is that you your babies experiences and the more they have, the better they are going to be. more languages, more people from different races. i don't think the government has anything to do with it at this point.

parenting is a very good, important role here. >> tucker: obviously not good enough because they're not doing whatever is required with a 3-month-old to keep them from developing the forbidden attitudes you have described. >> i don't think so. parents know what is good for their kids. they know that if you teach kids about different kind of people, storybooks about chinese people, african people, about american people, about europeans, i think the more they know and the more they learn, the more experience they have -- they become worldly. i think parents like their kids to be worldly, right? >> tucker: no, i agree with that. having covered the stuff for many years. when you said at this point, i got a chill because i realized i am going to read your study in a "new york times" piece ten years from now, sort of desegregating daycare -- there's

no question about it. >> i hope people do not take the message from our studies in this way. i don't think people are reading these studies and findings and saying hey, the baby is going to be taken away by the government. i think the whole idea is experiencing diversity. >> tucker: i definitely agree with that part of it. lawmakers in north carolina are considering a bill that would allow a comprehensive firearms safety course to be taught in high schools. there are tens of millions of gun owners in america so an optional safety course would be reasonable, gun deaths do still happen every year. many progressives in the state oppose the bill anyway, at least one on the ground says there's enough violence already. that's right, like a magical totem -- guns inspire violence

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united states. the result is more tension on the korea peninsula then in the lifetime of anyone watching this most likely. unless you are around that during the war there which ended in 1953. we are following this closely, experts are saying this is a real flashpoint. this is tarried there for real. this is not hype. we will be following this story through the night and through the weekend. james flanagan operates the manufacturing company, he submitted a wall pitch that has some remarkable features. lasers, anti-tamil technology, a service that cuts her hand when you try to climate and more. a remarkable work of art but now his company is being threatened, san francisco, berkeley, oakland, all threatening to blacklist him merely for bidding on a federal project. thanks for coming on. >> thank you.

>> tucker: did i characterized your wall correctly? >> all the credit goes to the designer and architect, a brilliant engineer. he approached me not to long ago -- it really it's an honor and humbling to be the one to hopefully build this wall because it's better than any concrete or any wall that anyone has ever seen. it is. basically any problem can really come up with to penetrate this wall, we have a system to basically combat that. >> tucker: the wall, it looks like it leans a little bit. in what direction and why? >> it would lean south towards mexico at a 30-degree angle. what this does is makes it much more difficult issue decline. you can picture a rock climber and an inverted type cliff.

on top of that, it basically would cut your hands apart if you did try to climb this mall. there are sensors above and below it. if anyone tries to penetrate in any way, the authorities would know right away via a computer system. each wall panel has a serial number. as soon as one of the sensors picks up any type of activity, the computer system would read that and basically the authorities could respond accordingly. >> tucker: i think that qualifies as a big, beautiful wall. is this something you are building because it's a job or do you want to build this? do you have an ideological task to it? do you think it's necessary? >> i believe in this wall. one more thing i want to say, there's no -- this is a composite material. this is something no one has ever seen.

it has ballistic capabilities. it has blast capabilities. it's very light. ten times lighter than concrete, and ten times stronger. it has 5,000 per square inch compression strength. it is amazing stuff. it will go up faster and cheaper and it's going to take months, not years to do. it can employ thousands of people but back to your question, yeah, i think this wall is basically the foundation of really the trump movement and the american movement to put our country first. it's so important and i can't stress that enough. yeah, it's a business decision for me. it would be an excellent opportunity. something i'd love to do be a part of. i'm looking at being a part of history. there is a personal part of it, i support our president 100%. i support his agenda and i think we need this wall to basically save our country at this point.

we are in a lot of trouble and we need to control our border and this is one way we can do it. >> tucker: i can tell by your accent that you are a native californian. tell me about the response you're getting from these three cities. berkeley, oakland, and l.a.? trying to blacklist you. what does it mean if you're blacklisted? >> what it means is that they would boycott or blacklist you from doing any contracts with the city. with those cities and probably eventually the whole state of california. it's really disturbing. if we are was going to describe it i would call it tyranny. i don't think it's legal -- these are companies that are in the bay area, not just construction or tech companies, all types of businesses and business owners with employees. people probably voted for these politicians. it's kind of -- really, the

first incident i have seen where they are hurting their own people on their side. as far as the leftover democrats go, who really don't want to see this wall go up, it's disturbing and it is kind of unique in that way. i am hoping the business owners and the people that work for them, it's kind of a wake-up call. see that you know, i don't think these politicians really care about it. i don't think they have our best interest at heart. i think they are all just drunk on money and power and that's all they care about. i would challenge them to call me and i will go to their house and i will remove their pens or their walls for them and see how they would like to live without a fence or a wall or with a gate on the front door or with a lock on their door. i challenge that and i will do it for free. >> tucker: [laughs] i like your style. good luck out there.

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blue from lack of oxygen. she survived, will she ever recover? it seems like many heroin addicts, she won't. she will keep using and overdosing until one day, she won't come back. she will leave a family and children and they too may become addicts. the cycle will continue until someday, someone in charge decides enough and addresses this horror at its source. he reached out to us after this series first segment this week, he is a recovering addict. he joins us alive. you are one of a lot of people who emailed the show this week during a serious but i thought your email was really powerful and moving. actually. explain why you emailed initially. you became addicted to opiates after a car accident? >> correct. in 2006 i was in a car accident which led to a back injury, three herniated discs, i went to my family orthopedic with the

mri of the injury. he gave me hydrocodone and within the first two years with physical therapy, going to him, i saw surgeons and they all referred to me pain management. they are anesthesiologists who give out opioids and i don't think they know what the long-term effects are because within eight years, i was on crazy amounts of medication. that keeps escalating and kept escalating, thank god i never went to heroin but it was still a long, long journey and right now i am on methadone, trying to get off but my back pain -- it has been a little slower than i would have liked. the medical professionals, they really don't have the training i believe they need to do what they are doing, with the pain management system. it is flawed. >> tucker: you have been on

opioids for ten years. how is it affected your life? your relationships, your goals? >> at first, for the first 6.5-7 years, fine. it never got out of control. but they don't tell you is that when you take opioids, your tolerance to pain decreases but your tolerance for the medication increases. there's no backwards tolerance. you keep building and building until you need more and more and more up until the point where there is no more. they won't give you more. so i've done rehabs, 30 day programs, i've been clean for 16 days, three months. 60 days. i took the lowest dose of oxycodone i code and within a month my tolerances back to where it was. they can give me any information that oxycodone is synthetic heroin. >> tucker: you didn't know it was addictive going and when you were first prescribed?

>> no, it was a trusted, family orthopedic. i went to him as a teenager for a knee injury. i had to get opioids but he helped me with that so i trusted him. >> tucker: what is it like when you go off at? when you don't have it? >> it's the worst thing in the world. if you like bugs are crawling out of you. you can't get comfortable. you can't sleep. it's like a 10-14 day process. the thirty-day rehabs do about four days of suboxone which is a way to get off it. that didn't work because of my injuries so now i am currently on methadone, slowly tapering down. i've been on that for two years. >> tucker: knowing what you know now, what would you have done after getting in the car accident ten years ago? >> i would have done a little research on my behalf, i'm not playing the victim here.

but these doctors hand out these medications and don't say what they really are. >> tucker: yeah. >> i wish i knew. i think government, pharmaceutical companies, and doctors need to give you a pamphlet, make you go to a class to have knowledge. i'm a libertarian with this. i don't think they should be banned or anything like that but they should give you knowledge and they should give you sparing doses and take emergency use only. that's how i feel because -- if you are only going to get it to five times a week, people who are addicted, they will be able to pick up quickly -- they will be trying to get an earlier and earlier. they give you opioids for 24/7, 24/7 -- >> tucker: do you think you'll ever get off the opioids?

>> i do not know. i honestly do not know at this point. i am on methadone which is a treatment program. >> tucker: yeah, i know. >> that's in opioid as well. i am slowly getting down, dealing with the pain and trying to find other alternatives to help with the pain. and i don't know... i honestly don't know. >> tucker: what a sad story. jeff, i really appreciate you coming on. and at the note you wrote us. we are rooting for you. we we had an overwhelming respoe to this series. we know this is an important issue for you and we will continue covering this. the wellesley college newspaper says it's a good thing to hate people you disagree with. that's pretty extreme but is it the most extreme story of the day? we have a panel, they will tell us.

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>> tucker: we are going to try this again because it's fun. we have our "top this" segment. two panelists with them most absurd stories of the day. i'm glad you both came. >> i don't know if you guys knows know this but there's a war on fake news. there's good news, facebook is working to combat it. it's relying on us to determine what is fake news. we are going to scroll through our news feeds, find a story and if we don't like it, we have the ability to report it and say hey, this is false. >> tucker: oh. but do we know what the criteria are? what's fake and what is real?

>> there are tips. if you spot a story and you are not certain about the url, you want to look at the formatting, the pictures used. it asks you if you think it's a joke and i'm like facebook, i want you to tell me if it's a joke or not. >> tucker: msnbc news users will be able to decide. you are winning so far. we have not heard from you, yet. >> hillary clinton's alma mater wellesley college have penned an editorial basically saying that hostility is warranted to be used against those who are politically incorrect and/or offensive. ironically, this editorial was actually in response to criticisms that the students were too weak and whimsy and feebleminded after a group of professors tried to block a controversial speaker from speaking on campus because they were afraid that too many students would be emotionally harmed by the spirit >> tucker: their argument was we have free speech as long as we

like it? >> actually their argument, was only for certain groups of disadvantage students and not everyone can say whatever they want. >> tucker: [laughs] unbelievable. both of those stories are about speech, i i'm horrified by both but you are is a little bit more for a less obvious reason. facebook has more power than wellesley. i guess that is a problem and until they are undone, a pressure campaign -- declaring news fake when it's not, you would never see it on your facebook feet. >> tucker: we are giving up participation trophy anyway. thank you both for joining us. happy friday. we will be right back.

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>> tucker: i want to take a minute and share a recent released video that says a lot. this video was shot at a values and visions public forum by the democratic party in maine. maine could be improved, the video speaks for itself. watch this. >> we also need more women. today i saw a thing that said a lot of men, white men, were committing suicide. i almost said yeah, great! [laughter] >> and then i thought about it a little more and i said maybe i shouldn't say that in public. >> tucker: yeah, great. a lot of the left's policies and behavior can be confusing to a person who doesn't share them but know this, if you are a white male or worse -- a straight white male, your behavior -- they literally hate you and want you to die as soon as possible. that's it for us tonight. stay with fox throughout the night with breaking news throughout north korea.

we hope there isn't any, but there may be. to mark the 105th birthday of his grandfather, the north korean dictator is holding a celebration. "hannity" is up next. >> welcome to the special edition of "hannity." i am in for sean tonight, i am kimberly guilfoyle. taking a very different approach to foreign policy than the obama administration, tonight for the hour, we will explain how the trump doctrine is starting to take shape and what it means both here at home and abroad. the. the commander in chief foreign policy has dominated the headlines by drawing a line in the sand wisteria over chemical weapons, calling out to russia, taking a tough stance with north korea and dropping the mother of all bombs on isis. let's take a look.