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vice president mike pence morning korea, do not test the resolve of president trump and the might of the u.s. military, strikes in syria and afghanistan as proof of america has resolved, this is "outnumbered." i am sandra smith, meghan mccain here, host of "kennedy," kennedy. former staffer under president bush and obama, gillian turner is here. and #oneluckyguy, political editor guy benson is here. you are outnumbered, sir. always great to have you. great to have you back as well. >> you too. >> oh, thank you. glad to be back on the crooked couch. >> happy easter, everyone. there's a lot going on. let's get right to it. good to have you on this day where all of this news is breaking. vice president mike pence after the piled adult -- failed missile test. and not to test president trump as he cited reactions in syria and afghanistan, greg palkot

joins us from north korea. >> tensions grow over the ban and nuclear missile programs of the country. vice president pence aware of where we are below the dnc. a talking tough as part of a four nation asian tour to deal with the belligerency coming from north korea. he says that he wants the united states to achieve security through peaceful means, negotiations, sanctions, getting china involved. they say all options are on the table for president trump. >> north korea would do well not to test his resolve or the strength of the armed forces of the united states in this region. >> here in north korea north korea, officials are still talking about the massive military parade that we watched over the weekend. north korean leader kim jong-un was in charge, and they are still refusing to mention that there was a missile lodge over the weekend, and in fact that it had failed. analysts are now saying some 60

missiles were rolled out in that display. ten types of missiles, including some prototypes of continental ballistic missiles. one last chance to look around pyongyang, we have not been here in five years. and yes, more bustling, more modern. but analysts tell us that this is a part of the kim jong-un strategy to stay in control to survive to give some economic again to the public while at the same time keeping political repression in check. internal crackdowns as well. and the nukes and the missiles. officials here have been reacting to the increasingly tough talk coming from the trump administration with increasing agitation. right now they don't seem to be ready to back down. pyongyang, north korea. fox news. >> think you. meantime speculation mounting that u.s. cyber attacks may have foiled the missile launch. at the trump administration staying tight-lipped. deputy assistant to the president, dr. sebastian, saying

that even if the u.s. did intervene, it would not be wise to let the world know. >> this is not the obama white house. we do not give the playbook away. that is very bad strategy. we are not going to tell people what we do. so people need to draw their conclusions, but understand that the use of the missiles, these things tend a clear message, we are not going to comment whether or not we were involved in anything happening in north korea. that is not good strategy. >> all right, so what do you make up this morning coming from the vice president, vice president pence saying, do not test president trump's resolve. >> he also said that the era of strategic patients is over. that was a message that we heard from the previous administration, and i do not know what strategic patients -- patients means except for doing nothing. so having the vice president going to the demilitarized zone and make that statement, dated unannounced, making a statement

in person, warning the north korea regime not to test president trump with the backdrop as we heard from sebastian gorka of the massive bomb being dropped and afghanistan not too long ago. i think that this is some muscle flexing from the administration. and they are probably regimes across the world at least taking notice and wondering what exactly to expect from the president. it is exactly what he campaigned to do. we do not want the adversaries to predict my actions coming in so far i think that it is fair to say that he is following through on that. >> this is your expertise, what message are we sending? >> i think the fact that the vice president in the region does deliver a powerful message, but part of me cannot help thinking that a show of force, which is what we have seen now in syria first in the wake of the chemical attacks and then in afghanistan last week should stand on its own. so part of me feels like the vice president's reiteration of the idea that the era is over

and that the north koreans should be scared of the president trump's agenda and goals for the region dilutes the message a little bit. because our show of force should sort of be powerful enough to stand on its own once you start explaining, you lose some of the just there. that's what i was thinking when i saw this. >> my concern obviously is the reaction of north korea having on its own people when we see this show of force. it is obviously a much different story going over to north korea and dealing with a nuclear powered. you are damned if you do, damned if you don't, because strategic patience does not work. and it is one thing to shower missiles on a syrian air force base, something quite different to poke a crazy person, because as was pointed out, the esident ran saying, my foreign policy and my military reaction will be unpredictable. for him that was a great

strength, the opposite of president obama who was the chain stroking, thoughtful man, but if you have a crazy man who seems crazy, and with somebody who clearly is mentally ill, just look at that haircut, and what that murderous -- has done to his own people. >> that package of the grocery store in pyongyang, propaganda footage, there are two shoppers in a starving country at a grocery store. it is a sickness to watch what is going on there. you are right. poking him, this is the argument for strategic patience. let's not do anything to inflame, while one provocation after another from the north koreans, i am curious from your perspective as the expert, why is it this dilution that you spoke about, why is it a dilution if you have some shows of strength across the globe,

then the second ranking executive branch going and delivering a tough but diplomatic statements on another continent? i'm just curious why you think that. >> i want to get something kennedy said quickly. when it comes to this policy, this is not a new trump administration endeavor -- endeavor, the obama administration began this campaign to help weaken north korea's missile capabilities in 2014. there has been the covert war, a cyber war building up over the last three years, we reach this rhetorical apex over the weekend. this is not new, this has been simmering. a simmering and boiling for three years. this is an area where a foreign policy where i think the obama administration made some important strides. i think for the vice president on this issue to talk about strategic patience is a little bit off base. it is not my job to sit here and defend the obama administration. but when it comes to north korea, it seems that this

was not the right issue to punch back on. do that in syria, do that in afghanistan. other cases where we have had failures, but north korea misses the mark. >> an overwhelming question that i had is what is the strategy? not that everybody is in complete understanding, and dealing with a maniac who sees the world as his toy. he can do anything he wants. i think he is even more dangerous than somebody like putin or assad because while they are maniacs, they are political ideas. i want to go where we -- what we do regarding president trump time i heard a lot of jokes how this is last easter, and quite a few "snl" jokes ending on that as well. a lot of people that are nervous and scared, and i think it would be good for her president trump to not give away our strategy, because i was a huge criticism that i had a president obama, bu are going to go

next. all of the threats back and forth and then getting cake with the president of china, saying that he may, or may not help us. he may not invoke stances on north korea paid a lot of confusion. whatever you're saying, i do not know to the level. it was now my understanding that president obama was dealing with it in the same way that president trump is now. but if we are more aggressive, and the era of patients is over as i said, what does that mean? does that mean cyber war, i think there is a lot of confusion. >> and if -- why not engage turning even more impressed the issue with them? i have always had an issue with turkey and syria, because if turkey has thrown open the doors, now there is a greater concentration of power, and that leader's hand. and with china, they have been north korea's minor, and obviously there patience has run out. i think the international community, whatever that means, they have to put a lot more pressure on china to resolve this. i think it is their problem.

it is their backyard. and certainly not ours. >> we are left without question. where do we go next? there are a lot of strategies on the table. >> i am interested in the question of the failure of the launch a few days ago with some analysts saying that it may have been some sort of war -- cyber warfare that the u.s. successfully engaged in. i hope that's what we are doing. i think that is a really smart strategy. it would not be the first time. if you remember back in 2010, first reported that the u.s. and israel had collaborated -- collaborated, and burrowed into the program and released at that program back for years. i would assume and hope that both administrations or all three going back to president bush may have had a hand in the success that we saw if that is what happened. and i hope that we continue to pursue that. >> there have been a dozen in the last year or so of failed missile launches out of

north korea. and while you know all of the information that is highly, highly classified. it is largely believed that the united states has had a hand in several of them as recently as april, april 4th, 5th, it was. and going back to march as well. >> goes back to something that i point out on this couch, donald trump has not reached 100 days of his young presidency. the decisions that he has to make, and is making so early on in the presidency. >> it is so fascinating for me that's president trump ran on being of total noninterventionists, putting america's needs first. make america great again, and his legacy thus far is totally hawkish, focusing on global politics. i think that there is a confusion on what kind of president he is going to be seen that there is a complete 180 done in the case of syria, because his daughter was emotionally moved by the pictures coming out of syria. again, i just don't know where we stand. >> you cannot get pictures out of north korea of those

babies dying in concentration camps. >> amazing that we had him on the ground bringing us reports. while a wild brawl, when pro and anti-pro- -- anti-trump protesters collide. demanding that president trump released his tax return. one calling for his impeachment. we have the president's response. plus he says that the administration will battle him every step of the way. attorney general jeff sessions upping his talk on century city. what he says that voters in those cities need to do. ♪

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♪ >> a lot of protests this weekend calling for president trump to release his tax returns, fights broke out at one demonstration between trump supporters and protesters. at another rally, congressman maxine waters calling for impeachment saying that she does not trust him. responding to the protesting that somebody should look into who paid for the organize rallies yesterday. the election is over. i saw this everywhere. donald trump pulled off the great, i would not necessarily call it a con, but he did not have to release his tax returns. it turns out he is a wealthy

man, pays a lot in taxes. 2005, one year. >> a great here. >> am i the only one feeling just fatigued watching all of these protests? it is fine, you have the right to do it. try not to be violent, please. aside from not coming to pick this issue. i have always said that he should've released his tax returns. i do not like them not being transparent with the american people. i also do not like that the white house is going to keep visitor logs a secret. these ridiculous pretext that is going to save taxpayer money. they say that it is national security, that is all nonsense. calling politicians of either party out is completely fair game. i'm curious why this issue and why a giant protest now. i saw someone on twitter say, perhaps he could just respond by quoting someone else and saying, what difference at this point does it make? >> than answer is that the next big genda item is tax or form. he is going to need democrats. he is going to need, this could

be the tax return issue being a political mistake that cost him the tax reform agenda. >> you think that's why people are protesting? let me include one story in "the new york times" of a man who profit -- travel to the protest from new york with his wife and two children to go to the march. they made it in order to help his 12-year-old son james with stress that he has dealt with since the election. >> how old is james? >> 12. >> you really think that his issues stem from the results of a president election? a little bit of self-examination into their own home. perhaps offered james more recreation and structure. and respective sandra smith. as we are on the eve of when our taxes are truly do come in tomorrow. my goal is to have people look

around at the wasteful spending that this government engages in every single day. and how her money is taken from us. that is that the taxation issue that we should be looking at sparta tax reform is a wonderful start to start resolving some of those economic issues that are created from -- >> stop being so reasonable, kennedy. >> this is maybe not the reason that people are coming out by the thousands to protest now. but i do think part of it is that the tax reform agenda brings it up. the fact that it is tax day brings it up. and tax returns? it someone to relevant. >> do you truly believe that? >> i do. >> let me say something very quickly, and i bring this up to madame on a show called "kennedy." with julian turner prayed we can talk about it again. but let's just do a experiment. let's pretend that the president releases his last ten years of taxes paid he does add, and it is all al capone's fault, nothing in there, nothing

exciting to see, he gets rachel maddow out again, and while the other side ever admit that they were wrong? >> no, of course not. but i think that people will not be protesting on this issue. >> this is only an exercise in self immolation. >> are you talking about the democrats who are protesting? left folks who are protesting? or are you talking about capitol hill and politicians on capitol hill? because i do think that the american people that are reasonable enough that they would stop protesting on the issue. >> i'm sorry. could you watch that. i have people like sarah silverman, i cannot repeat on the show what she said, it is vulgar. i truly do not believe that there is nothing we can do regarding the taxes, releasing the last 50 years, oh, he left something out. morgan piercy -- conspiracy theories. the problem is that they are blowing all of the capital they have on legitimate things but i have a lot of concerns about the

money that our president is spending flying back and forth to mar-a-lago. more in the first 100 days then obama did in the first four years. you want to talk about taxing, so there are legitimate questions. this is a completely 100% losing battle, and the fact that the left is still obsessing over something, if the american of public said hey, this does not matter to me. he is a rich man. >> the people that voted for president trump -- >> when somebody wins, the questions of that no longer matter. i truly believe that you will not have to release her tax returns. and at this point i do not think it matters. i do not understand why the left is not focusing on things that are much more politically expedient and bigger wins for the midterm election. >> i understand the point that you are making. i seriously doubt that if trump put out his tax returns, democrats were going to vote for tax return, no chance? >> what i am trying to say is that he is going to need a few key democrats on board unless he wants us to go, unless he wants

tax reform to go the way of health care. >> he needs his own party to be on board. >> they are not going to get on board with him if he has not released his tax reforms on this. >> you have congresswoman maxine waters screaming that he needs to be impeached. everything is for the extreme. if you want to have a conversation about types of horn, that is fine. but saying that he needs to be in, impeach, i am telling you that i've done this a long time. it is stupid. we have to move on. president trump tweeting the super limited -- liberal democrat wanting to protect criminals and raise taxes, much more on that and how democrats are hoping to turn a red district of blue, and bernie sanders talking about a strategy and whether or not it will work good ugh! heartburn!

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focusing on red states. bernie sanders explaining why. >> we are going to be going all over this country, we are going to be fighting to see democratic party becomes a 50 state party. you cannot just be a west coast party and an east coast party. >> they are making the trip. ahead of a special election in georgia tomorrow. and right after a democrat lost to a republican in kansas. meantime president trump accusing the media of downplaying that's when meant. the recent kansas election, congress with a really big media event. until the republicans won. then they play the same game with georgia. bad. >> we know that you enjoy that clip from bernie sanders so much. i will start with you. >> hey, look, the democrats have to change something, they have lost everything, so it makes sense to write that shape and adjust. i think that the tweet about the kansas race is interesting, because this was a district that mike pompeo represent head. he won in november by 30 points,

and to the republic only won by seven points last week. so i understand why the democrats are a little bit energized about that. they feel like their base has the win behind their backs. i think that the race in georgia is going to be a special election. that is tom price is district. they have all of the energy, enthusiasm, so much money from out-of-state pouring into the race. >> $8.5 million. >> this is less doubt that the media has not been talking about quite as much. have there been five races nationwide at the state and federal level in which democrats have intended to flip a seat from red to blue. and so far they have gone 0 for 5. the only party that has flipped the seat was the republicans in louisiana. they gained a seat, will that change tomorrow in georgia? i think it is a tough district for the democrats. but if they get their people out and republicans stayed at home, it is conceivable. i think we see a runoff, but i am not really ready to make that

rock-solid prediction right now. >> he is at 40% right now. if so diffused on the republican side, there are 11 candidates. you have a lot of money going to the young person who is energizing the base. he is trying to play himself off as a moderate. he is being painted by republicans as basically bernie sanders lied to! no party like a socialist party! that doesn't stop! it will be a bellwether race for the democrats paid and they will not stop talking about it if he is able to pull off 50% tomorrow. he has at 40% right now. and it remains to be seen if he can narrow that gap. there is also been a huge infusion of outside cash. not necessarily going to one knee -- anyone candidates, but there is an establishment former secretary of state in lee right now. just to describe it the secretary of seabiscuit writing the victory for these desperate

democrats who need some sort of a win to put some sap on their gaping wounds. >> what did you make up the tweet blaming the media saying the same thing happened? >> i would love for the president to stop tweeting about the media. when i saw this morning i was like, okay, i got it. everybody knows that the media is in the bad except for everybody but trump. i want everyone to forget it. they're going to paint it out to be the worst thing that ever happen. i get that. but you are still winning about the race in kansas city even though it was a seven-point win, only a win nonetheless. i cannot get over the fact that so many people in the dnc in a room trying to strategize how to get the midterm elections. bernie sanders on a bus, we got it! [laughter] that is the choice? that is a vision for the future? i do not see him running for president again. because of his age, and i do not know his message will work in 2020. we have to look for new talent.

i think tours like this especially in times like these will ultimately just be more for us to laugh at during commercial breaks of the show than anything else. >> also for the georgia race, think part of the reason that jonathan off off is doing so well, he is building himself as a matter it, but also on a campaign platform that is essentially a referendum on the president. democrats are finding it easy to rally around him. right now, he is likely to do really well. but the larger problem or the longer-term problem for democrats is that opposition to donald trump is not a strategy. and so when we look at going into the midterm election even if they do take this home, there needs to be a message >> that might work to turn one or two's needs, but i think we are missing a bigger strategy. >> one thing about the race in georgia, a district that tom price would win handily. but trump won by one point in november. not a trump friendly district,

but it is a republican district. and the dynamic of what happens tomorrow is going to be really important. or at least sending some signals about where things might be headed in 2018. >> stay tuned. look out for a bernie sanders on the bus, meantime after days after jeff's who -- jeff sessions with the crackdown after the border, no warning sanctuary cities that it is time to follow the law. watch. >> with each city saying no, you cannot remove these people. they stay in the community. it makes no sense. if so first, the voters of the cities -- cities need to hold their city councils and mayors to account. the police working for the mayor, sometimes they will support the mayor, but i have talked to police officers. they think this is crazy. we are going to look at these grant programs, if you are not cooperating with the federal government, you are going to lose grant money. we are going to battle on them every step of the way. we are going to put pressure on these cities. and it is just important for

america and the people in these cities. >> this comes after the democratic mayor sending leaders there, we considered the decision to be a sink to a city and to the backlash following the interview on tucker carlson tonight. this is a big hot-button issue right now. new york city, sanctuary city, los angeles, california, there are many. do you think that president trump will do good and pulled? >> it is an interesting overall issue, illegal immigration, i would consider myself a moderate, somebody who wants to be practical and solve the problem, maybe there are 11 million, 12 million people who are in the country illegally. we are not going to support all of them. but when you see politicians going to bat for sanctuary city policies, that's where you start to lose somebody like me. there was a port over the weekend in "the washington post" that said oh, my gosh, in the first three months of the year, deportations are up by one-third compared to last year. and people were tweeting about it on the left, looking at the

deportation force, well, the vast majority of the increase came from the illegal immigrants who were also convicted of another crime. total common sense. and exactly what the trump administration said they would focus on. i think if the trump folks pick their battles wisely, which so far they seem to be doing, i think they commercial a lot of public support, especially when it differs from the caricature that he played on the campaign trail. and the demon that democrats say he is going to be. it has not materialized yet. this stuff makes sense to me. >> yes, it makes sense to me as well. i think that you and i are pretty simpatico on our stance on immigration. when i see somebody going on tv and saying that i am cool because i don't believe in sanctuary cities. that's when i am more cool on immigration. but continuing to stand defiant in taxpayers face is like mine saying that this is a sanctuary city, we are not going to listen

to president trump? >> no, politically it is not wise. the larger illegal immigration issue is one with that i think the american public at large has not reconciled -- reconciled themselves to pet i think that the three of us is likely that most americans favor some common sense for. they are okay with illegal immigrants with criminal goal -- criminal activities being deported, but when the activity went up by one-third a month or two ago, there was also a outcry. people are okay with supporting illegal immigrants with criminal records but not rounding people up in front of their homes and sticking them on buses to to go detention centers. the optics of doubts are very distasteful to people. i think a lot of the devil is in the details. so people can be on board with the policy, but when it comes to how to carry it out, i do not think there is any consensus on what people are comfortable with

and not comfortable with, it ranges a lot more far and wide. it is more difficult and that's. >> jeff sessions made headlines last week. this is the trump era, following through on the campaign promises. nobody should be shocked at what is happening. >> nobody should be a surprise, but when you bring some of that up, i think it is such a hysterical argument on the rights and the left, because illegal immigrants should not as a group be demonized. if that is what the right tends to do in the most emotional extreme, but then on the left, not everybody who is here illegally is a saint. and if you have committed some sort of aggravated assault or a felony in this country, you do not enjoy all of the freedoms and wonderful aspects of this country affords. i think the vast majority of people who come here want to do it legally. if they want to work. instead of fostering sanctuary cities and having the fight over

a federal grant money, more of the focus should be on fixing that bad immigration policy in the country. unfortunately, that conversation has been hijacked by stereo. we cannot have a great discussion about it. we cannot have nice things. >> that conversation will not move but moving on, united airlines making headlines for the wrong reasons. kicking off a couple before their wedding, and what is going on? whether the airline is doing enough to make amends. ♪ ♪

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plus section of the plane where they were refused an upgrade and told to return to their original spots. shortly after u.s. marshal boarded the plane to escort them off. >> the way that united airlines handle this was absolutely absurd. at the upper supervisor was extremely rude. and as a matter of fact, once the plane was pushed off the deck, himself and the other gate lady who were snickering and laughing at the fact that we were sitting there. my fiance was in tears, and i was pleading with them. they were snickering and laughing about it. >> no, they were laughing about your chin strap. >> they refused crew instructions. >> you and yard full disclosure united players, i worry that people are trying to get off of united planes, trying to be re-accommodated so they have a few moments and the sun, am i being a cynic? >> i do not know.

>> yes. >> the issue is this is a total different scenario than the doctor getting off. can you united to course people? a doctor, and a couple going to their wedding. get off the plane. the issue is that somebody is lying. united says that they were offered an upgrade, and they did not accept it. that does not make any sense to me. who turns down an upgrade? no one, ever. in the story on their part, somebody sleeping all the way across, that is a little strange as well. >> why wouldn't you wake him up? >> you are getting on a flight. >> you have been on the plane maximum, 15 minutes, who is going to fall asleep across three seeds? that person would have to be either medicated or totally hammered! in that case, don't you think that they would be justified in removing his carcass from the plane? >> yes, absolutely. i think airline travel -- travel

is barbaric. everybody on this couch troubles a ton. i would be offered any upgrade, i'm not saying we have to wear top payouts, monocle's, drink martinis prayed about it would be a nice upgrade. i think this is totally the culmination. and i know that sandra disagrees with me. your debate is that if they have had too much on them. >> they are businesses, they are trying to run a business. >> we will watch it. one day it makes a trend. >> trump won on law and order. >> people whose memories are short when it comes to these kinds of things, weeks from now i don't know if anybody will remember me with the doctor. the airline did provide a statement. they said that the couple repeated to sit and upgraded seating. if this is true, don't those air marshals, and we respect them trying to keep the air safe, don't they have an obligation to keep order on these plains.

you cannot just hop around. >> i feel like when i get on a plane that it is this lawless zone, that if god forbid my first is a little bit out into the aisle, which happens from time to time. i have broken some universal law, i could go to jail. i legitimately feel this way on planes. if i do something small, some flight attendant is going to have a meltdown and freak out on me. then i am on youtube,i'm not one next day. i don't know. >> but it feels like you're seats get shorter and shorter and shorter. you cannot fit here. >> that does not bother me as much. >> i wish that they have re-accommodated the family who flew behind me with two screaming toddlers. >> gave them a break, kennedy. it happens to all of us. >> i was at home with my children since they are babies. i always carried presence, lollipops, and scotch tape. keep them as busy as possible. you bring a roll of scotch tape on the plane, thank me later.

there is a happy ending to the story, right? rebook to the next day, they still got married as planned. okay. >> but don't you think it needs, there was an airline who was like, you have to pay an extra $50, but you are going to have a wonderful experience, and i promise we will be nice and not yell at you about your first, all day, every day i would pay for this. >> a new slogan, trump was very successful, we will have a law and order airline. no messing around. if they were like, give me some of the ad. >> i am on board. >> cracking schools. >> but normal flyers who are not in the headline news like people in the last couple of weeks, you went so normally to have an avenue of recourse when you are mistreated by the airlines, treated barbaric leg. nothing that you can do. i think that is why people are rallying behind these people. here is for all of the hours i've spent when i have gotten

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hour. >> all right, we will continue to follow that story as well. thank you. >> some students and notre dame are demanding that our vice president pence be dropped as their commencement speaker. according to campus reform which reports that some students stated that the vice president makes them feel unsafe. new signs that the republicans are being frozen out of other schools. a democrat still dim and -- dominate speeches at the top 100 schools. among the democrats, elizabeth warren, cory booker, along with vice president pence, only one other republicans scheduled to speak, mark burnham which at the university of san diego. i will go to your first, unsafe is how our vice president makes students feel. unsafe. >> if you feel unsafe when you see a politician as anodyne as mike pence that you disagree, then you need to reevaluate your life. you are sad, pathetic person that does not understand the

nature of safety and danger at all. the thing that actually bothers me about the notre dame story is for years, it is a long tradition that notre dame invites a newly elected president to give the commencement addressed. they preemptively caved to the outrage mob by not inviting president trump. and i am sorry. if you are a catholic university that can handle barack obama and his really strong position on abortion for example. you can still welcome him. you can have a speech, and my gosh, listen to somebody that might have some controversial viewpoints, you can extend the same welcome to the duly elected president. they did not even try. they went straight to pence and they are whining anyway. >> he is a former governor of indiana. and it happens to be up north. and north bend is way down south. >> you should do your show from there. >> it makes me yearn for my youth. i wish i remembered who my

commencement speaker was. i do not even remember. i would have killed to have somebody as high-profile as a vice president. >> i'm sorry, cookie monster gave your commencement address at ucla? >> go bruins! >> what did he say for 30 minutes? >> as part of this pulled her campaign, i don't know if you share this yet, meghan, but part of the organization is starting a larger organization between the white conservative catholic narrative at notre dame. >> i don't even know what that means, number one. number two, this is something when i was at columbia. if there were always protests and outrage over any conservative speaker that spoke on campus at all. it seems since i have been in college, almost ten years ago that it has gotten over and over and over and over board even more so. what concerns me is that i'm not one of these people that automatically jumpso all millennials being democrats and indoctrinated, but when i hear

stories like this that you cannot to listen to our vice president speak if you are a democrat or a liberal, you're going to have such a meltdown -- meltdown that you do not want him to stand in front of you and give your commencement address, then i really am going to jump on the bandwagon that our youth is being indoctrinated. >> i'm sorry, what was the coach about white conservative. >> white, conservative, catholic narrative. >> as i said eight years ago it was barack obama who was no longer -- neither whites, conservative, or catholic who spoke at notre dame. >> mike pence is welcome on this couch whenever he wants to come. were outnumbered in just a minute.

>> special to get you are one lucky guy today, guy benson, always good to have you. that does it for us, we will be back on tv tomorrow at noon, "happening now" happens now. >> jenna: we start with a fox news alert as our key nato ally talks about international claims of voting fraud and eight national referendum. >> jon: the referendum barely passed giving turkeys president new powers. more on the head and more "happening now." the hunt is on for this man accused of randomly killing an elderly man and posting it on facebook. police pleading for the suspect to turn himself in. the battle against isis intensifies in the key city mosul, iraq of, that chemical attack being unleashed on