we will see you here tomorrow at 7:00. "the o'reilly factor" is up nex next. ♪ you you. ♪ >> good evening and welcomed due to a tucker carlson tonight for the questions this evening, we headed toward war. another intervention in the middle east, but a big war. what nuclear weapons on both sides and tens of millions of lives at stake. despite a failed missile test over the weekend, north korea is not cracking under international pressure. ambassador to united nations warns that quote normal playback nuclear war may break out at any minute. still strong words. both president trump and vice president pence spoke today about all of the saying leave administration plans to adopt new posture towards that country, one is more assertive and taken by any previous

demonstration. here's what they said. >> will see what happens. i hope things work out well. i hope there's going to be peace. they've been talking with the settlement for a long time you read clinton's book, he said and we made such a great peace deal and it was a joke. you look at different things over the years with president obama, everybody he's been outplayed. they've all been outplayed by this gentleman and we'll see what happens. i just don't telegraph my motives. >> a quarter century ago that we first learned of the presence of nuclear weapons on the korean peninsula. in the possession of north kore north korea. there is an agreed framework. it was a period of strategic patience. but the area of strategic patience is over. >> tucker: so what does this all mean and more to the point, where exactly is it going? the director of defense studies joins us tonight in the studio. harry, this looks like something very ominous to me. how seriously should we take it? >> this is extremely ominous and

i want to set the scene a little bit. i think we need to know what were talking about. just a few days ago, we had initial test out north korea. obviously very troubling, very concerning. but imagine what could happen if one of those missiles actually landed in seoul. let's say for example, a missile that its test and it crash landed in the wrong place. >> tucker: accidentally. >> i can tell you of that landed in a popular that area and killed people in japan or south korea, either one of those countries would respond. in response, the north koreans are torn to do something. we are to keep in mind that the amount of armaments the north koreans have. they have 1.1 million men under arms, 7.7 million in reserve. they have not just nuclear weapons but chemical weapons, biological weapons, over 1,000 missiles. this is a very dangerous situation. this is a slow walking missile crisis. >> tucker: was so striking that was their promise for the last 24 hours to continue with nuclear and missile tests pretty sweet take that promise

seriously and if so what is that mean? >> they're going to keep testing missiles. in order to build missiles that are capable, dominican hit the united states. it takes a lot of test. they have to test the tracking system, telemetry, the heat shield when he goes into the admission field, that takes a lot of time, takes a lot of resources. also if you take it mine, to build nuclear weapons, you have to keep testing them. think about the united states and russia have a times we've tested weapons over the years. it was hundreds of times. under the north koreans are going to need to do that, but they are going to need to keep testing as tensions are going to keep rising. >> tucker: my understanding of american foreign policies were not going to stand up for that. what does that mean? how do we respond? >> there's two things that we can do. the president has sort of laid out a message saying that in the era of strategic patience is over. i think it's important to sort of set aligned to say we are not

going to take it if you launch an attack on south korea and japan. there's only two things we can do here. the first thing we need to do is we need to contain the nuclear missile problems from growing anymore. how do you do not? if you apply secondary sanctions, a very sanction so no one can basically assess them because if they assist them, they need to be made an international pariah and they need to be outed. the second thing we need to do and this is a little controversial, but president trump being a pragmatist, i think we can do this. we have to talk to the north koreans. i know that's a vile, they're a terrible regime, they have over 200 people in prison camps, they have one prison camp that actually is three times bigger than washington, d.c. but we are in a tough spot here and trying to mitigate a crisis is to have some sort of channel with them. i think that's what we need to do. >> tucker: you think that's possible? of the united states government announced were talking with north korea, there would be an immediate uproar, legitimizing t

regime. because this is how you have to do it. the trump administration would be wise not to announce that on twitter or something like that but i think you can go through by channel, they could actually help us within a very pragmatic way. different european back channels you can go to and go to the regime and say look, let's have an open ended dialogue. there is no vietcong play, nothing specific in the agenda, let's build trust, let's try to talk this through. >> tucker: a couple of questions. how quick the spin out of control? very quickly. in all honesty, you have this heavily armed militarized zone with hundreds of thousands of troops, lots of a north korean soldier gets nervous and fires off a bullet. imagine the south korean sentry fires off another bullet. the north koreans fire off artillery. that's how fast it could all unravel very quickly. if the north korean government feels cornered, china apparently concerning pressure on the government, obviously the u.s. government doing the same thing. how does it respond? to be of any of your sins how

they'll respond there under a threat? >> if we think about kim jong-un, we know human nature. is he wants to survive. he knows his regime is hated throughout the world, there are violent and nasty regime. that's why they have nuclear weapons and that's why they have all those weapons of mass distraction i was talking about him. they have an ultimate asymmetric work and to deter the united states. that's why they have those weapons to hold everybody back at bay. and think it's very dangerous to put kim jong-un in the corner because the danger here is miscalculation. that's what we have to avoid more than anything else. >> tucker: is all this finally an argument for keeping american troops in the korean peninsula where they've been since 1950 or for pulling them back to get them out of harm's way? >> i think you have to keep u.s. troops there is basically a deterrent to kim jong-un to know that we are involved, were present. i think trump did the right thing in moving an aircraft battle right off the coast. i think the talk has been very tough, but i think it's been

prudent. now that we've established these norms, i think it's time to talk to them and see what might be able to be accomplished. >> tucker: is >> tucker: is terrifying moment and not getting the attention it deserves. thank you for doing this. not a day has passed and the last five months the democrats in washington haven't reminded the rest of us that donald trump is colluding with vladimir putin. the two are best friends we've been told, business partners, co-conspirators who together have undermined our democracy and threaten the national security of the united states. it's the democrats have alleged all this but a number of republican senators as well home. what nobody seems to have done is to listen carefully to what the russians are saying about trump. so here's some for example. this is putin's hand-picked mouthpiece, his state news anchor on his broadcast. "the world as a hair's breath away from nuclear war," he said. it can break between two personalities, donald trump and kim jong-un. both are dangerous but who is

more dangerous? trumpets. and quote. trump is a greater threat to the world the north korea prejudice not something best friend say each other very often. could be time for washington to admit that their chairs to russian theories, the basis of so many overheated press releases and congressional hearings and cable news shows to be wrong? in fact, completely disproved by reality? don't hold your breath for that admission though. by tomorrow, explaining how this is just more evidence of the vastness of the conspiracy. of course will cover that. with the u.s. on the brink of war in both korea and syria, it's worth asking what would happen if that actually happen, of war broke out? a baltimore lawyer and a visiting scholar from cambridge, called 17 rules for foreign intervention. actually more than 17 rules but they're all sport. he joins us tonight. and for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: i just want to go

through a couple of these and have you illuminate is a bit. never propagate civil wars, the revenge killings last 400 years. it is always true? >> i think it's nearly always true. i think were saying that in the rack, overseeing it and syria, we should know something about this from the history of our own country when one recalls during construction and afterwards. were still paying the price for the civil war. >> tucker: through this piece on our facebook and i want our viewers to read this, runs a red basically warning against hubris and you're making the point that there's only so much we can know about another country and you quote george kennedy when you say the worst of rulers knows things about his country that foreigners do not. do you think we keep that in mind enough? >> i think we obviously don't. saddam hussein was well aware

that he had the confidence of population. assad has the confidence of religious minorities in his country which have sustained him in power. could defeat in libya and knew a country that really had no government but it was the basis of being totally tribal. we went into all three countries as though we were doing battle with a unitary state, which we obviously were not. one feature of these totalitarian regimes that people tend to lose sight of his how brittle they are. and that's probably even true of the north korean regime. when these regimes collapse as we saw in eastern europe will, they go down with a big bang, and there's nothing left.

there are dangers and that also. >> tucker: they just haul them out behind the core and execute them and then prove, it's over. you had a line in here, wars cannot be one on the cheap without infantry. that was a really distressing thing to read. i hope it's not true, but you think it is. >> i think it is. the history even in the second world war was that you had in the norma's destruction from strategic bombing in germany and japan. you had in korea, norma's destruction and bombing. you had in vietnam, norma's destruction from bombing. then make a whole lot of difference to make some difference. in terms of the war, it didn't. >> tucker: took a lot more. and finally, the result of all those complex you mentioned were

massive waves of refugees moving to the west. it is not always an issue of war for refugees? >> i incorporated that's probably a generalization that is true. the korean war, we have millions of koreans in the united states that was the result of the dislocation of the war, the same is true of vietnam. the results of our interventions into syria and iraq have been a refugee close that which have destabilized europe and the results of our adventures in central america have been refugee flows that have had a rather bad effect on the southwest and on american citie cities. and has really given rise more than anything else the concern about immigration when you have these drug gangs in large citie cities. >> tucker: you're right. redoing a segment on that coming

up in fact part is nice to talk who reads history of once in a while. there's not many here in washington. thank you for joining us here and for that. >> thank you. >> tucker: coming up next, two people have booted the american flag from their meeting because it offends some people. what are they thinking exactly? will talk to a reporter has been covering that story to get inside into their mindset if you can call it that. also please still hunting for the men who murdered someone live on facebook. we'll give you the update of what has become a nationwide manhunt. we'll bring you the status just ahead.

>> tucker: this is a fox news alert, steve stevens stays at large tonight more than a day after he allegedly gunned down an elderly man and posted a facebook video of his crime in. when the go to mike tobin his been covering the story in chicago. >> obviously armed and proved that he was dangerous, the reward for steve stephens is now up to $50,000 and although the search is concentrated around ohio, the police chief in cleveland said he's had 24 hours to get away. that means a search is nationwide. 24 hours since he posted that video facebook that showed him selecting a stranger down the street and getting him down in cold blood. steve left in a 2016 ford fusion. they've seen nothing like an abandoned vehicle or one that was stolen to indicate that he is driving anything different. he blames his ex-girlfriend. reports say she is now in protective custody. police are pleading with stephens to turn himself in

without further bloodshed. >> steve, if you're out there listening, call someone whether it's a friend or family member or pastor. give them a call because they're waiting on you to call them. >> he's a pretty big guy, 6'1", 244 pounds. stated on facebook that his ex-girlfriend drove him to gamble and according to them, he'd been evicted from an apartment, sued at another, declared bankruptcy in 2015. as a victim, 74-year-old robert godwin senior without collecting cans after easter dinner. his family relates these photos to our fox affiliate say this is how they wanted him or membered, not the final terrified and bewildered moments before a stranger gunned him down. facebook issued a statement that it is to do a better job reviewing violent and otherwise objectionable material. tucker? >> tucker: what a horrible story. we still aren't sure of what our opinion should be on this horrifying cleveland attack, for

a night because cnn has that covered. according to a man identified as a cnn legal analysis, the real problem here is that we haven't yet made it illegal to post a homicide video to facebook and this killer had only known that his facebook broadcast had violated the law, a life may have been saved. it won't prevent these attacks, but will deter them. because of there's one thing homicidal maniacs living in pharaohs is being busted for legal broadcasting. the fcc could get involved. that's exactly the reasoning behind gun control. just ban them. criminals won't have them. up next, public suspicion of immigrants is higher than spending years. president obama was elected in promised to elect rollbacks of new arrival. it's simply a matter of ignorance. stay tuned. ♪

>> tucker: strikingly a few news outlets in the country have covered it, but the invasion of europe intensified last week. more than 7,000 african migrants arrive to italy. they came by boat rescued from stormy matter training seized by the italian coast guard and international aid organizations. it would not return to libya where they departed from the drop and set on italian soil where many of them will remain some for generations has beneficiaries of european welfare states. amazing the same groups abetting

all this have accused the european union of endangering lives by not more actively picking up more migrants from the sea and importing them into europe. much like how you are to blame for endangering a burglar by locking your front door. last year more than 350,000 migrants arrived in europe from the third world and mini no doubt were good people in their desperation of course is easy to understand given where they came from. that is not also the fact that they arrived without invitation illegally and at public expense that they will forever and profoundly change the demographics of the continent in ways that pretty much no one was born there ever asked or wanted but no one is allowed to complain about her fear being attacked as immoral. it's a huge deal, but hardly anyone ever mentions it. does that sound familiar to you as an american? it ought to. a professor at george mason school, recently wrote a piece lamenting what he called ignorance about immigration. most people learn the facts about immigration he says, it will become substantially more

in favor of it. he himself supports open borders pretty much. join us tonight. thanks for coming on. thank you very much for having me. >> tucker: a lot of people support it to a greater extent than i do. my complaint with your piece was the word ignorance. you ascribed it to people who disagree with you and your point was you just don't know enough if you disagree and i didn't strike me as fair. still that's not true of everyone but it's true of many people that if you look at survy data votes here in europe, a lot of observation to immigration is ignorance about s like the members of immigrants, whether or not they go on welfare and whether they increase the crime rate or lower it. >> tucker: not to turn this around on you, i think your views are not fully informed. i wouldn't use the word ignorance necessarily but you say this, in fairbury 2014 you wrote "it's unlikely to increase the size of the welfare state" when there's a great deal of evidence at that silly. immigrants to this country take wolfer at a higher rate than

american citizens and states with massive numbers of immigrants have much higher welfare rates than others. california being the most obvious example. so it's not an informed statement. >> it is because when you look at studies by economists across the political spectrum, you find that states controlling for other variables have more immigrants, do not have larger welfare states. yes, california is a large welfare state. texas, has a large percentage of immigrants has smaller welfare state than most other states. >> tucker: widow studies are conducted which i think is dishy immigrant welfare recipients only to poor americans and say immigrants are less likely to receive welfare but overall, they're more likely. california has 12% of the nation's population but has 33% of federal welfare recipients. that's because it immigration. with the other because? >> even if you compare per capita welfare spending overall in states with more immigrants compared to the west, those who have more do not have more

welfare spending, also various economic studies as well. even if you don't compare it to just to, americans have the same income class or whatnot if this compares states to a lot of immigrants in the west. >> tucker: part of the reason this is a silly debate is because depends on all immigrants being the same. and some immigrants from certain countries have very low welfare rates and others have overwhelming, 75% welfare rates. so we're sort of printing that they're all the same but of course they're not. you're also saying immigrants political views make it right down to it are a lot closer to those of people born here and yet the statistics show there overwhelmingly not. 55% of hispanic immigrants vote democrat. that's not the same as people who live here. they change the political balance of the state. >> what i said is that when you look at immigrants views on particular issues, things like size of a government, social issues and the like, the gap is much smaller within the natives that many people assume and it

gets into the second or third generations with hispanic immigrants, statistics often overestimate the difference because many second and third generations descendants of those emigrants don't even call themselves hispanic in surveys and those who don't call themselves hispanic on average have political views closer. >> tucker: is something that i cover, politics and i think what you're engaging in with perspectives social science because the truth is it doesn't matter whether someone on the supreme court or someone may have as lightly more conservative or liberal position on an issue or two or five. what matters is who they vote for. so in california for example, the state voted to ban gay marriage heavily with hispanic support. but the state to be conservative in that issue, it's overwhelmingly a one-party state because of latin american immigration. so it actually doesn't have any effect in other words. it's a boon to the democrats period. and that's an immigration law. >> people issue more than what

party they vote for because of they want to win, they have to adjust their issue positions to where the electorate is. it is true in california hispanics have helped the democratic party but one area of course where immigrants dude differ from natives is immigrants are much more likely to be anti-immigrant. the california party -- republican party in california became much more anti-immigrant than it was before. immigrants adjust accordingly. >> tucker: totally silly. the idea that pete wilson because he backed a measure banning illegal immigrants from getting welfare somehow turned every hispanic immigrant in california to the democratic party just absolutely false. in that state has no functioning republican party and it's all because it immigration. if people who live there in 1975 are the only people voting, it would be a republican state. but we just admit that? >> texas headed just a big increase as california, yet

texas didn't show anything like the same behavior. to get a texas republican party adopted very different approach to immigrants than the california one. >> tucker: that's just wrong. i don't know anybody you think that texas will be a repugnant state in ten years. and that will be wrong, but the people that watch this in the state believe what the average person believes because it's obviously true which is massive democratic changes. why not just concede that connect that's not ignorance to say that. >> who knows what will happen in ten years but over the last 20 years, patterns and texas have been very different than in california and considerable part because of the replicant party has taken a different approach. i don't claim the definite graphic changes never impact politics. all i claim is that it's much less than people think. >> tucker: why is it that the immigrant heavy areas of new york state are overwhelmingly democratic but the ones in of nativeborn new yorkers are not? it's not just california. it's everywhere. maybe that will change and 100 years. here's my point that i'm not

saying immigrants are bad. i like immigrants. i'm really saying the idea that people who live here and born here have no right to have a say in this or to be offended by the changes brought by immigration is just silly or they're dumb that they don't like it, which is what you're arguing. >> i don't claim people have no right to feel what they do, much is influenced by ignorance by a variety of topics. it results about a lot of public policy issues but is not unique to immigration to have political ignorance, it happens a lot. it's because people are bad. it's because people quite understandably don't spend a lot of their time paying attention to details of policy issues so it's easy for them not to know very much. >> tucker: one of the notice of the communities they live and are completely different and the economies they work and are completely different to mock the assumptions of the neighbors are not ones they grew up with? is ignorance not to like it. >> surveyed go to shows that people with a lot of immigrants tend to be much more pro-immigration than those who live in areas with very few. that's one of the strongest

results we have in this area survey dated. >> tucker: your ignoring my point which is don't people have enough dated as you put it from living this country to know that it's change and this is part of it. they're not necessarily ignorant, while called him names, why not acknowledge their views as legitimate? >> people can have views that are legitimate and still heavily influenced by ignorance. the two are not mutually exclusive. for talking about people's personal experiences in the form of knowledge, those with the most personal experience with immigrants aptly tend to be the most pro-immigration. >> tucker: weiser such a large planet of the population who doesn't learn the esoteric knowledge that you have that have somehow internalized connecting other busy with other thing. their spinning time with jobs, their families. >> tucker: there's endless pro-immigration propaganda. the whole diversity thing is making sure no one complains about the changes taking place in the country. tech about birth practically in this country, this is great. there's constantly bombarded with message and why?

>> others unless propaganda on many political issues from all sides. most people spend their time focusing on other things. it's totally understandable that they do. there's a lot of other things to watch on tv that are more interesting than political propaganda. >> tucker: [laughs] is not just political propaganda. there's no part of the layer can life that's not screaming at you this is great. better like it or else you're an immoral person and you large percentage are resisting. >> fox news is part of american life and they're not screaming that an donald trump is and so forth. so there's a lot of people screaming on all sides but quite understandably, most of the public tunes that out and focuses on other things. when they do focus on the propaganda, they may become very superficial things as opposed to more in-depth facts. spoons are like the ex-clinician for everything. why don't we like obamacare? you just don't know enough. you just not smart enough. >> in each of these cases, if they have data. actually make people more post to it. >> tucker: it makes me opposed

to it. thanks for joining us. students at uc davis and california have voted to evict the american flag from their student senate meetings. what are they thinking? will talk to a reporter who's been following that. plus as ms 13 commences as country, will learn more about the gains from the men who spend years trying to contain them. why are they here in the first place? station for it's an important question you ask, but one i think with a simple answer. we have this need to peek over our neighbor's fence. and once we do, we see wonder waiting. every step you take, narrows the influence of narrow minds. bridges continents and brings this world one step closer. so, the question you asked me. what is the key? it's you. everything in one place, so you can travel the world better.

>> tucker: millions of americans have found in countless battles and died under the american flag, going to serve the institutions of the nation it represents student senate at the university of california at davis, the flag is actually an offensive scrap of cloth that terrifies them. it is voted to stop requiring the flag at their meetings. we invited to use the center students, they agreed it would be an interesting segment but in a strong show something, they backed out at the last minute and stops turning in a rare phone calls.

so instead we decided to upgrade. were joined by tammy bruce's been covering the story. great to see you tonight. >> i'm not afraid to be on your show. >> tucker: you're never afraid. that's what i admire about you. i wish i didn't have to consider this, and isolated story. using all kinds of attacks on the american flag as a symbol equating it with oppression. so clearly, something big is going on here. what is it? >> with us as a subject of my column on wednesday in "the washington times," which i was also working on today because they are now so many strange issues. such is the bout being and wanting safety spaces, it is now turned into violence like we saw berkeley. the effort to shut down speakers like heather mcdonald, talking about blue lives matter. it's a situation which is fascinating and that if you actually have to opt in and have to argue to have the american flag present at student senate meetings and their argument is that everyone's view of what the united states is is different. and here's i think with the problem is, we've got a dynamic

now we've got young people were going to college, who are effectively not having to pay for it, who view america as an oppressor state. this is a statement that they view obviously america as the problem. they don't want to be associated with it and it i can guarantee you that these are individuals who also have federal loans, federal student loans, were probably on state grants and perhaps even on alumni grants as well. if the nation is so offensive to them, which they argue effectively it is, then perhaps they shouldn't enjoy federal loans paid for with american tax dollars. so were looking i think it a group, a generation if you will at the stage now certainly the millennials that have either not had american history, have had teachers who have indoctrinated them into this dynamic, liberal leftist teachers, or individuals who in this instance, the person that's at uc davis, public schools also a naturalized citizen. and so they've come here not to necessarily a part of america

but to punish it. and i think we're in trouble if this is the next generation if it is. in charge of business and social culture. >> tucker: if the people who wind up running your country hate that country, that's a suicide. the question is why are we surprised? if you allow generations of kids to grow up in education system that teaches them the country they live in is immoral, fatally flawed from the start, it's disgusting and not worth defending and that the ideals it was founded upon a repulsive, that's what you get, isn't it? >> it is and yet americans tend to not raise children like that. this is what's fascinating is that is either a choice of individuals going to public school where this kind of mob mentality prevails versus private school and another instance, clemson has paid 38,000 taxpayer dollars for a diversity course that explains that if you expect people to show up on time, it's racist. it's a remarkable. i think that means there's going

to be fewer liberals on television and radio because at that time certain environment. you've got people who then expect to go get jobs. they going to hire the person from university who has not been involved in this nonsense, knows how to show up on time, what are these young people going to do when they show up in a world that actually has expectations of them? they are being abandoned, were losing an entire generation. a business and economics which requires level of the country and a future and we certainly have lost that and of course, the situation here is a very good example. trying to eliminate the imagery of a nation that is based on an idea, which is why the flag in and of itself is so important. >> tucker: i used to worry that higher education was failing to educate kids, now it seems like they're making them actively stupid and dangerous to the country. i don't know why were participating in all this. thanks a lot. that was better than any segment we would've done. up next, the weather outside is

lovely. why not take a stroll in the park. here's a reason. some feminists say outdoor excursions are a show of white privilege. of course they are. question is is that the days weirdest story? our panel next. y

>> tucker: are just a lot of the loony new stories floating around, so our segment, top of that is now is where we bring panelists and to pick the weirdest most bizarre new story. kristin anderson is a pull store and a commentator. they join us tonight. kristin, you first.

>> there should be one piece of information new people to get from your government, who won an election. that should be easy. but if you ever want a strange trip to the government and competence, try to collect all this information about who won elections, who and what precinct, a nonpartisan group, the open election try to do it. they went to the city of detroit to get some information and the city of detroit sent back the spreadsheet full of clipart. that actual numbers about where you can get this information clipart. >> tucker: look like an eye chart. >> of the numbers, completely lucius. someone put a lot of time and effort into it. it's not government laziness but it is incompetence at best. >> tucker: by toilet paper. that's unbelievable. i'm having trouble believing that's actually true. but we'll get back to that in just a moment. >> i think i can know one up that just a little bit. apparently if you are a woman or person of color or a minority, you can't go outside and enjoy

the freedom that is outside, the great outdoors because apparently you are prohibited from doing that because you may not have access to money to buy camping equipment or maybe you are overweight and can't buy fitness apparel. it blows my mind. apparently this whole going outdoors thing is only for single straight white men. i was unaware. >> tucker: going to a national park is full of white privilege. >> even though it's free. apparently you have to pay money to buy the equipment which you would wear them, the f leisure outfits are typically made first leather people, not larger people, so is very discriminatory. if you're buying any type of camping equipment to go and enjoy nature miracle, at that point you are having to spend my prohibitive for people who can't afford it. >> tucker: that's from some feminists online. >> yes. >> tucker: this is a tough one

but i'm just marveling at the fact that the city of detroit is sending clipart in response to requests for voter information. not there's ever any mystery about who wins detroit greatest believer make a birthday card for your grandkids and want to make a really snazzy looking powerpoint straight out of 1990, clipart your heart out. >> tucker: you've got a participation trophy. >> thank you tucker. i appreciate it. >> tucker: coming up next, ms-13 have thousands of members who have murdered dozens, maybe hundreds of americans. we know perilously little about the group. look at the facts my former official who spent years battling them in new york. that's next. ♪ nobody does underwater stunts, sylvia. except me, of course.

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>> tucker: we spent some time in the show warning you about the threat posed by ms-13, the criminal gang which has at least

6,000 members in the u.s. and is known for its savage violence and international reach. it's a dangerous group to which really know about them? the former executive of suffolk county new york who has spent years grappling with the growing ms-13 presents and he joins us now. thanks for coming on. so the obvious question is where does this group come from? it appears related to our immigration policies. is that right? because they service from el salvador. they've been around for a long time. but they've been growing by leaps and bounds a lot of people associate that growth with president obama's decision to allow for these hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minors to flood the border, 2013-2014. it's not 5-year-olds or 6-year-olds were concerned about here but 15, 16, 17-year-old to come here without parents. ms-13 becomes their family, their protectors and were seeing a major growth in these gains and there is vicious as can be and we have to stop the political correctness.

go after these guys and get them deported. >> tucker: what did we think was going to happen? who thought that was a good idea? it seems so obviously not a good idea. >> exactly. it's all about identity politics here. there was a coalition that developed from the obama administration and on the left and formerly a democrat, but had left the party in large part because of the extreme shift of the party on this illegal immigration matter. it's all about building your base of college students, single women and minorities and the pandering got out of control and has now become an open borders party and we are seeing the results of this. >> tucker: i think that's exactly right. so ms-13, as is primarily a business enterprise? >> its organized crime. that's the way i look at it. the feds did a great job in tackling other organized crime elements. it's time that we treat ms-13 and other gangs just as we did

organized crime. that means creating gang registries. if you have a guy who's been convicted, why should he be allowed to hang out with other gang members? if you're in organized crime number convicted, you can hang out with other organized crime members. we should follow that same policy as it applies to ms-13 members. >> tucker: steve got a problem out in suffolk county and we've got a map were going to put up on the screen, from ice. it shows the spread of this group from miami to san francisco to boston, newark. county would not expect to see this group, where did it start and where did the spread happened and why did the rest of us know this? >> they've been around for years and years, but they displaced the latin kings, the bloods, and other such groups in the last several years. in large part, many believe because of the influx of undocumented minors. we've seen anywhere from 2,000 to 3500 of these undocumented,

un-chaperoned minors on long island alone in the last several years. we warned it. if we don't have major ramifications on our schools, hospitals, our infrastructures and our safety and now we've seen a dozen young people murdered over the last year and just to communities alone, brentwood and central on long island. it's not the political correctness has to stop. we have to go after these guys and get them out of this countr country. >> tucker: how involved are they in drug trafficking? is that the primary way that the gang finances itself? >> its primarily drug trafficking, but it's all about control. you talk to the superintendents and the principles of the schools, how they are intimidated kids, 13, 14, 15-year-olds in school that they have to go out and commit a crime or they will be butchered, though threatened their families, it's the same type of horrible modus operandi you see of all choco carryout.

it's down here in the states, and are suburbs, here in long island and throughout the country. >> tucker: i'm becoming convinced of that and i'm so stressed by the lack of news about this group or the lack of outcry from americans this is happening. >> its political correctness. just like you said, they're the biggest threat than isis r to us. if you're going to defeat the problem, you first have to admit what it is. same thing with the islamic terrorism. if you don't say with the problem is, you can't defeat it. here, there's a big white elephant in the middle of the room. nobody wants to talk about. it's the growth of these gangs and how lax immigration policies. >> tucker: that's right. what an eye-opening segment. things were joining us tonight. great to see you. last minute bid for us tonight, you can tune in every night at nine. the sworn enemy of lying from smugness try to participate in. set your dvr for it if you haven't. hannity is up next. have a terrific night and will you tomorrow.

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