wise words from wise man. thanks for watching everyone. i martha maccallum. see you back here tomorrow night at s ♪ ♪ >> well, good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. after spending several weeks focusing on crisis in syria and north korea. the president is going on another immigration offensive. this morning the administration announced intention to crack down on gangs like m.s.-13 whose gang has been fueled by illegal immigration. >> they are getting the hell out or they're going to prison. so many towns and cities are thanking me because we have gotten rid of a burden that you would not believe. i mean, it is a serious problem and we never did anything about it. and now we're doing something about it. >> tucker: just a minute we will talk to the point man on this question attorney general jeff sessions about his plans to stop ms-13.

but, first, ms-13 wasn't the president's only eu78 congratulation concern. early yearlinearlier today the t signed order ordering reforms to the h 1 v. bring in foreign workers to fill jobs that allegedly americans are not capable of doing. billionaire mark cuban is a vocal supporter of h 1 vs. he says importing labor makes american stronger. mark cuban, thanks for joining us tonight. the president's h 1 b executive order will slow down that visa process from abroad. you've said in past statements you think that's bad for america. how so? >> right. well, there is two parts to the h 1 b story. first, there is the hoarding of visas, which i think is a problem. you get a lot of outsourcing companies that apply to the lottery in huge numbers and they just win a lot of visas and they use them for lower paying jobs. that's wrong. hopefully this addresses it. on the flip side, there is

the other side of getting the most qualified applicant for a company. and going out there and searching the world for the best applicant, i think is a good thing for american business. it allows to us compete globally in ways we might may not have otherwise been able to. >> tucker: that's the talking point and it makes sense i have to say on its face. but the reality as you know is that 80% of the foreigners admitted under h 1 b make less in the it you not because they are unskilled but because they save labor costs. that's the idea. >> correct. remember i said there were two elements here. >> tucker: 80% is why. >> but, but it still makes a difference, right? the nuances, the details matter, tucker. the companies that are hoarding visas, they are the ones that are causing the problem you are mentioning where people are coming in and they are forcing down wages. that's bad. that's wrong. that's not at the core of the value of h 1 b visas. so when you look at the actual numbers you are

exactly right and hopefully this will address it when it comes to competing for the best talent around the world i believe in american exceptionism. i believe we can compete. when someone from one of our universities a native born, imgrant, natural lived however you want to define someone working here in the united states when they can't get the job, we get smarter. we know someone doesn't get a job from me, you know, i tell them work harder, get smarter, you will get it the next time around. you will get the next job. i think that's good for everybody. >> tucker: in a lot of those cases we don't get smarter we go on disability. >> go on to disability? >> tucker: people actually stay out of the labor force for huge long periods of time they are not even counted in the official numbers. >> tucker that's so far out of left field to assign a disability issue. >> tucker: i'm talking about disability insurance one of the ways that people make due when they don't have a full-time job as you know. >> of course. no question.

people going on disability when they shouldn't is an issue. don't attach it to the h 1 b visa issue. >> tucker: i'm not attacking anyone for being disabled. you're missing the point. what i'm merely say something we have a huge unemployment problem in america. that also extends to people who graduate from college, 41% who say they are under employed. we have a massive labor pool educated in our system and, yet, they are being turned away in favor of people being educated abroad. that does not help america in any way. >> well, again, part of what's going to change is the visa hoarding. i can't emphasize that enough. that is where americans get undercut in the pricing for jobs. problem we agree there. where there is better talent external and it's global we have to go get them. otherwise, those people are going to go to other companies around the world. this are going to come in and compete with our companies and not only will the job be lost that was given to the better talent but the companies that needed them, all those other

people that worked for those companies may lose their jobs as well. bigger picture, look, tucker, either you believe in capitalism, either you believe in the market economies or you don't. there is no in between: part of capitalism is how people compete for jobs, right? >> tucker: i love that when did the left become addicted to market fundamentalism. there are many in betweens. >> i'm not the left, tucker. i'm not the left by a long shot. >> tucker: would you apply market forces to your marriage, to your family? there are limits to how far. [laughter] >> tucker: i'm serious. capitalism is not religion. effective way of generating wealth. in the way it hurts americans shouldn't we respond? >> that's a big, big question. >> tucker: you are the one that said are you against capitalism, i like capitalism. when it hurts americans, i'm willing to make adjustments. wouldn't you be? >> isn't that the nature of capitalism? isn't that the nature of a

market economy that? the short-term there is dislocation, there is disruption? but hopefully because of american exceptionism, because we are who we are, that we believe in entrepreneurship, we believe in the american dream that entrepreneurs can go out and use that -- use their knowledge to create new companies? so, yeah, i hate the displacement that occurs when there is change. but the reality is in a capitalist market driven system with adjustments and, yeah, there is things where we give some on a true market system. that's a good thing. i'm not for fair libertarianism. if companies can't go out and hire the best talent. those companies are still going to have to compete with the smarter people in a global economy. >> tucker: that's a great point. wouldn't you concede there is something compulsive watching guys like mark zuckerberg invoke in order to get cheaper labor from

india. you want to hire people cheaply. stop lecturing me about rosa parks, right? >> you know, first of all, i don't go out. i have never used h-1 b visa to go and bring somebody n my 150 plus companies. i want to get that on the table. as far as microsoft and facebook and some others, i don't think they are using outsourced labor, which, again, is what is driving down the pricing and what is causing jobs and where you are seeing the examples of people having to train their replacements. i think for the most part they pay premiums. and the studies i have seen facebook and google, et cetera, when they hire they pay a premium. they are not coming in to cut down the price of labor. >> tucker: do you think it would be fair tort u.s. government to require employers when they bring over people on h-1 b visa to pay the market price and not undercut american labor when they bring people in. >> on the surface that makes perfect sense. i think that's happening. again, tucker, i can't repeat it enough. if you get rid of the visa

hoarding, the problem that you have and i agree with you here. we are on the same page here. if you get rid of visa hoarding that problem disappears. if you change the lottery so that it's based on the job. it's based on a meritocracy that problem disappears. i really agree that there is a necessity for changes in h 1 b but getting rid of the hoarding will solve that problem. >> tucker: why has nobody done this? i don't want to get too political with you. i know you are not a political guy. gee-whiz we just had 8 years of the messiah who cared about ordinary americans. this is a problem. you are conceding it's a problem. why didn't the last administration address this? maybe because they were in bed with the tech community? >> well, maybe. but, at the same time, you have to prioritize. and, you know, i don't have an answer for you. i'm not a liberal. i'm not a conservative. i think for myself. i'm an independent. there's always a way to finance specific problems. and you know government doesn't always deliver those. so i'm not going to speak to

why it didn't get solved before. >> tucker: fair point. mark coul cuban thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. >> always fun, thank you. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. fresno, california residents were terrorized by a mass shooter today. according to early reports the alleged shooter may have been motivated by islamic radicalism and hatred of white people. for more on the story we go to jonathan hunt who is there jonathan? >jonathan. >> reporter: tucker, it's important to point the top here the fbi tells us it is not at this point treating this as a terrorism incident. it's equally important to point out that according to the fresno police chief, after firing 16 rounds and killing three random people, 39-year-old corely alli mohammed shouted allah akbar arabic for god is great after being taken into custody by police officer. he sometimes called himself the black jesus and on his facebook page made

antigovernment statements and said he did not like white people. all three of the victims in today's shooting were white men. police had been shooting for corey mohammed since last thursday when he allegedly shot and killed a security guard who was also white at a local motel 6. they say he has a criminal history involving guns, drugs, false imprisonment and terrorist threats. he also had a history of mental illness according to court documents suffering from psychosis and a substantial degree of paranoia. press conference going on right now again with the police chief, tucker. we will bring you up to date if there is any new information. tucker? >> tucker: jonathan hunt, thanks a lot. by the way the press is doing its best to down play the likely motive for this attack. the a.p. reporter shouted god is great. did he not shout that he shouted allah akbar. it matters and the associated press knows it matters. maybe it will turn out he was radicalized methodist or

extreme presbyterian or lutheran with a grudge. we will keep you posted. the trump administration is vowing to defeat the massive criminal enterprise known as ms-13. jeff sessions blamed a nearly open southern border for the gang's rise. defeating them will be a top for the department. allowed bad ms-13 gangs to form in cities across the u.s. we are removing them fast. what is the plan to beat ms-13 which is estimated to have 10,000 members in the united states. the attorney general of the united states joins us now. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. good to be here. >> tucker: to what extent are the immigration policies of the last couple presidential terms tied to the rise of ms-13. >> it's no doubt had it an impact because so many of these people are illegally here. they came without proper authority. and with a good, lawful border, many of them would not be here. they have sent some of the most violent people who would never have cleared a

proper visa process and crimes they have committed in el salvador. yes, i don't think there is any doubt that the open border, the lawlessness that we have had is a factor in the rise of this ms-13. >> tucker: so some of them we know came here as unaccompanied minors illegally and allowed to stay. under the former policy do you know if an unaccompanied minor was found to have ties to ms-13 would he have been deported or allow today stay? >> i think the undocumented people who came were sent here by their leaders back in el salvador. many of them operating from jail where they are serving murder convictions and those kind of things. so he this were directed out of inner. if they came and claimed them sizzles as a minor. and obama administration let them come into the country and took them to destination city and took them over to some relative to claimed to be a relative. they had a mechanism to

enter the country. they have been here a number of them have for a number of years. in the late 80's and mid 90's really 2,000. about 2009, we had some real progress against them numbers dropped. the violence was on the defensive but they have come back aggressively in the recent years. >> tucker: so there are case us documented of ms-13 members bragging about permissive immigration laws how we change the policies to keep them out? >> well, first, we are going to secure the border. we are going to build a wall. we are going to add more agents on the border. the numbers have already dropped dramatically. we had -- march was the lowest intrants of illegal immigrants in 17 years in this country. that's donald trump's leadership. he is determined to do that and end this lawlessness. we are backing him up. the home land security department is really working hard and we are going to continue on that. so the numbers are down. so when fewer enter our

border patrol have a much better chance of catching those who do. identifying those who are violent and deporting them. >> tucker: here's what i don't understand. that seems like a pretty obvious solution that any country acting in its own interest would do. why hasn't that been done? why, if we knew these people were coming from he will value is a door and joining a criminal enterprise like this and killing people, why would we have allowed that. >> we simply have been in denial about this pro-process. we are having a lot of people come to the country who are not dangerous illegally. >> tucker: yeah. >> but a lot of them are. these groups are there has been such a political defense of the entire process, defense and attack of anybody who wants to end the lawlessness, what we want to say to the world is please come lawfully. >> tucker: yes. >> wait your turn, make your application and it will be evaluated. you will be accepted come. don't come illegally. that's what the american people have a right to expect their government to do. and in the process we can

protect them from some of the violent criminals and terrorists that are coming in. >> so the government of he will is asalvador has designated ms-13 a terrorist organization. would it be helpful for our government to do the same. >> i believe it could qualify for that there are rules against the state department does to establish that. but, we know they're violent. we know that if we focus our prosecutorial and investigative resources and we had a meeting today with all the top federal law enforcement officers and the agencies in our government, to focus on this group. and as we have cases and we work them hard, we are pursue convictions and then we deport people who are here unlawfully, we can devastate this gang. we're going after them. >> we are not going to allow them to take over a block, a corner of our communities. and terrorize people with this violence. they use machetes. they kill children. they put children in prostitution at age 12.

this is one of the most violent gangs in the history of our country, no doubt about it. >> tucker: really quickly i want to put up a map of the spread of ms-13. think are not just in the border towns as you would imagine. they are throughout the country. how hard would it to be root this group out in all the different cities. >> tucker, this is going to be hard but not impossible. they are not geniuses. not the top criminals. many of them are poor criminals, actually. they are involved in the kind of activities that can be identified and they can be prosecuted. it's 40 states have ms-13 members in them. some of the -- we have got 10,000 now in the country. but i believe if we stay at it, we can devastate this organization and that's going to be our goal. >> tucker: i wonder when all this happened. mr. attorney general thank you for joining us. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> tucker: up next, an election tonight in georgia is being treated as a referendum on the president's leadership. we will give you update on what happened there. plus, there has been no

further action in syria since the strike two weeks ago. dolls the president have a plan for what to do next? does he need one, actually? brit hume joins us after the break ♪ ♪ did you know slow internet

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aggressive policy on syria. lock in a particular strategy in that country? we're joined by fox senior political analyst brit hume who has watched this kind of thing for a long time and has the perspective some of us don't. brit, great to see you tonight. does the president need a syria policy that's differential, or not? >> i don't think he needs one yet, tucker. i think what happened here is that the use of the chemical weapons provided a kind of targeted opportunity for the trump administration to display a willingness to use force. condoleezza rice said to me years ago when she was secretary of state that the united states in a few of its allies practice diplomacy in a way that few if any other nations on

earth do. certainly few of our allies. diplomacy backed by the possibility of the use of force. of course, if you are going to have that possibility alive in people's minds, every now and then you have to do it. so he did it here. and then he did it later as we saw in afghanistan. and both case, these were events that he could -- that he could carry out. they have a purpose to respond in the case one to assad's use of those weapons. and in the second case to try to athat can that complex of tunnels being used by isis in afghanistan. those things have a validity of their own. but they also serve the purpose of saying to the whole world we're not afraid to use force. and, of course, you know, he is moving the uss vinson toward the waters off korea, although they haven't gotten there yet. certainly, kim jong un knows they are on the way, that carrier battle group. these actions on his part do not, in my mind, require him now to come forward and

state some full blown, long-term and short-term strategy in either syria or even north korea. but any do introduce into the equation the prospect that the u.s. might use force. and, of course, the possibility of the use of force has been basically off the table now for the past eight years and maybe arguably longer. so, he has changed the atmosphere. but i'm not at all sure that -- and if he never went back and did anything, he still would have, for the time being, anyway, changed the atmosphere in the world about what the united states might do. >> tucker: this is going to be gravely disappointing to a lot of his critics who hate everything he has done except this and who see the attack on syria as appetizer and main course being iran. you are saying that he hasn't become neo conservative all of the sudden. he is, in effect, just doing this for strategic reasons but it's not part of some grand plan? >> right. i mean, these things have tactical effect in the sense that they do effect the

situation and i mean, bashar al assad paid a price for using the chemical weapons in the sense that he lost part of his air power. >> tucker: right. in afghanistan the use of that massive bomb had the effect of killing isis fighters and damaging a tunnel complex that they had been using against the afghan regulars and our own forces. so these things had military purposes. but, as i say, military purposes that are valid and stand alone but they also had the additional effect of changing the diplomatic atmosphere. and i think, you know, we have been trying this -- we talked about the use of force for some time now, you know, as if it were an option. under president obama it never really was and he preefd that in syria. >> tucker: right, certainly this kind of force, you know, on public display. do you think the administration has decided to effect regime change in syria to oust assad from power?

>> i think that's the secondary objective. and not a near term objective. i think the near term objective in syria is to try to wipe out isis. and then at that point look at the situation and see where we go from there. i mean, we only -- assad is no american ally. his regime has not been. and i think obviously they would like to see him go. and the country can hard live recover from this hideous war with him still in power. i think that's a secondary objective. so i -- and i think it will be a while before we know how they follow through once objective number one is affected. >> tucker: i think you put a lot of his supporters at ease tonight. brit, than thank you for joining us. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: today is tax day and probably many of are you grouchy but what had you to pay. next guest says taxes should be higher maybe 80%. that means you, viewers of

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>> tucker: well, today is tax day the day in which you and 100 million other americans provide the government with 10, 20, 30% 40 maybe higher to finance our vast bureaucracy and campaigns around the world. most people hate tax day but carolyn is a big fan. halder to find but we did. political science professor

occidental college in california. she loves tax day so much she wants to expand it bigly. called for upping the tax bracket to 80% or not. professor joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: i want to get the motive here for a second. do you want the tax rate to go up to pay for more stuff or as way to punish rich people. >> neither of those things. i'm not talking about taxes for your viewers. i'm talking about taxes for the top 1% and i'm not even talking about all of their income. i'm talking about the marginal tax rate, the highest rate which right now is sit at $470,000. i'm talking about wealthy individuals who on 470,000 plus would be takessed at a much higher rate than they are now and in fact historically, for example, under eisenhower and jfk think were faxed at 91% now they are taxed at less than 40%. this has meant that we scrimped on the social safety net and education. there are lots of things that this money could go for. >for.

>> tucker: we spend more on those than anyone else in the world. you want to pay more stuff, it's not because you object to the richness of. >> i don't think rich people are held to the same standards as other taxpayers. i think that there are loopholes and armies of lawyers and estate planners that allow them to hide their wealth. i would like to see that money go into the economy. taxes are the price we pay for civilization. i would love to see, you know, free higher education. i would love to see our infrastructure, crumbling infrastructure system found funded in the united states. there are a lot of things that this money could go for if wealthy people were fairly taxed and they just aren't. >> tucker: you are from affluent family what does your mom think of this. >> my parents give a lot of philanthropy as i do. i'm not in the top 1%. we are people who practice what we preach. that means you give a lot of money away in terms of nonprofits. i use tipping you have servers a mechanism of

redistribution of wealth. >> tucker: i'm for all those things. i'm especially for tipping waiters i agree with you 100 percent on that so god bless you. you are asking other people to give their money to the government. why aren't you giving 70% of your income to the government, you could? >> i'm not in the top 1%. >> tucker: you don't need to be. >> that's et argument i'm making because it's not about working class americans or people like me you were income americans. it's about really the wealthiest top 1% now. >> tucker: you are a college professor. i'm not. >> i pay about 30%. >> tucker: why not pay 70%. yonged. what's holding you back? >> you know what's holding me back? if i knew how to do that i would have no issue doing that but the tax code totally von voyeur looted. >> simple. write a collect, pay your taxes and figure out 30% you paid. figure out what another 40% would be and send to to the u.s. treasury. washington, d.c., no zip

code required. >> you know what i do instead of that because we don't have a fair system of taxation. i write checks to nonprofits that are providing services that the government should be providing. so i write checks to planned parenthood. i have write checks to nonprofits that serve, provide safety net for americans. >> tucker: it doesn't actually. why not pass a law requiring people to send money to charity that's more effective than the government? you are conceding that the government is insufficient way to lift up the poor then why wouldn't you send it -- >> -- i would say this train wreck of a trump government is not the way in serving the poor since they have no interested interest in serving the poor. the government dose a fine john of performs. let me ask you one other question here. >> i do practice what i preach. >> tucker: send in more to the government and you are not. >> top 1%. no, no, no, tucker.

don't put words in my mouth. i'm saying the government needs to tax the top 1% fairly. if we're going to talk about taxation. i have think i'm taxed fairly. i choose to spend way more than the majority of my income on other people. i choose to do that. but we're not talking about me. we're talking about. >> tucker: of course we are not talking but. you don't want to do it. it sounds awful. >> 70% of your in connection with? you don't want to do it. >> no, tucker, you don't get to put words in my mouth. >> tucker: i'm noting the obvious. >> you are noting the on yus? it's not about me. that's the argument. in. >> tucker: let me ask you one more question. [talking at the same time] >> there is accumulation of wealth at the top. it's not about income. it's not about your income taxes. it's about capital gansz taxes. taxes on investment on cool much cap attachment. no one is making a billion

dollars from salary. are you suggesting raises the capital gain tax rates too. >> i'm suggesting raising ut at that point call gains tax. income tax. >> economists say somewhere around 70 pierce. you can go as high as 83% and it won't suppress wealth. particular. >> tucker: why are you giving a path to rich investors. wife are you attacking working people. >> wealthiest 1% tax them at higher rates across the board on their salary. on their investments and also what they are passing to the future generations. i top e. want to seat death tax go up. i want to see awful it go up because right now the top 1% do not pay their fair share. >> tucker: call me when you start sending all your money to the government. >> i will call you when i'm in the top 1%. how is that tucker? >> tucker: that's good. variety magazine is giving

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>> tucker: tired of the clintons running for office? tough luck for you. the press has enaggrandized on the chelsea clinton for campaign something. this very night variety magazine is naming chelsea clinton impact laurenee power of impact dish in new york. they slapped her on the cover of magazine besides being very fortunate in choice of parents why does she warrant such an award. new york bureau chief interviewed chelsea he joins us tonight.

thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me on. it's not deigner. it's a lunch. second it's not a lifetime award. it's an award in partnership with lifetime the network. so there is some confusion on the internet. i'm thankful for the ability to be able to correct it on your show. it's not lifetime award. chelsea clinton is 37 years old. not giving her lifetime award. >> tucker: no doubt you will. >> why would we give her lifetime award at 37. >> tucker: why give her this award. i'm open-minded? why give her this award. what has she done to warrant it? >> i need to provide your viewers with contest. every spring variety hosts a power. we select women who we think should be honored to influence on charitable organizations that do good in the world. last year we had your former colleague megyn kelly as one of our honorees on the cover of variety. in this year in addition chelsea clinton jessica.

lively used their power to shed light on important cause. >> tucker: you are making my exact point. megan kelly is from upstate new york. everything she has made herself. that's true with the other women. whether you agree with her politics or not. they did a lot. chelsea clinton has been a documentary filmmaker. >> she is producer for documentary films. >> tucker: she had a paying gig on "the today show." professor at ivy league college. >> has she hit 18 holes in one? i guess the point is heir very life steams like insult to the a meritocracy she got all of that because of her parents. isn't that embarrassing? >> you are saying her life is insult because she was born to prominent family? that seems like a strange thing to say, tucker. >> get a job hedge fund. ivy league professor. documentary film producer whatever that is those things are not connected in any way. those are very different skill sets. unless she is like a genius in all of them. this is just inept tim and

insulting to all the people trying to make it in this world. >> we are honoring chelsea for her work with organization for alliance for healthier generation. regardless much your political affiliation, whether you are republican or democrat, this organization does a lot of good. it helps fight childhood obesity and chelsea is very involved in this cause. i have spoken to members of the board of directors of this organization. i have spoken to kids who have benefited from this organization. and chelsea works very heard with this organization to fight childhood obesity which is a problem in many of our schools. >> tucker: look, i don't want to be mean to chelsea and -- >> -- i'm glad to hear that. >> tucker: i mean that. >> i'm genuinely glad to hear that. >> tucker: every once in a while i do interview that feels too soft. was that a suckup interview. >> like with the president? >> tucker: no i actually didn't suck up the it president. other people i have and i felt bad. i read your interview with her this needs to be museum in like the suck-up play. was it frustrating to seat foundation attacked? where does your empowerment

come from? come on? >> you are reading questions out of context. if i went back and read questions you asked thes about the who is a very powerful man i could flip that on you. but, at the same time, chelsea clinton. >> tucker: i asked real questions. >> i asked her real questions, too. if you ask read the story in variety.com. >> tucker: i read it? >> she isn't a politician a private person with very public parents. she is using her platform and her status to do good in the world. and that's what our issue celebrates and luncheon celebrates on friday. i would hope, i don't know if you are going to be here in new york or in d.c. if you would like to come and learn more about the event, you are very welcome to come. we would like to extend an invitation to you. >> tucker: that's very nice. i would definitely overeat for sure and that would be ironic at childhood obesity luncheon. let me get to the question i asked amin ago. if you are like someone with no connections at all and from the middle of the country and you don't know anybody and you look up and see someone who is getting all like the fruits of our

society handed to her, don't you feel a little bit like this is a rigged system, a little bit? a hedge fund manager and college professor and a morning show person and a documentary film producer? right? do you see what i'm saying or no? >> i see what you are saying but what you are saying doesn't apply to democrats or republicans. >> tucker: i'm not making a political point. >> it's not a political point. but you could make the argument for any child of any politician. and there are children of politicians who have gone on to have tv careers and have been successful and i think they have worked hard to be age to do that and other children of politicians choose different roots. so what we're saying is chelsea clinton has used her influence for good causes and we like to celebrate that. >> tucker: all right, we will see you at lunch on friday. i will be there with a bib. >> thank you. >> tucker: thank you very much. special edition of the friend zone chris

♪ >> tucker: time now for friend job we have invite one of the colleagues from the building here from fox onto the show. tonight chris stirewalt the rise of donald trump, of course, has attracted the attention of the plight. chris has seen that up close from pennsylvania where is he from. you seen this stuff the books and mono graphs and some of it is interesting and seems true. how do you respond to that? >> there is a lot of sadness going on in the american journalism community right now and people like to go to places where i grew up, like where i grew up or in west virginia that i covered nor a long time. and it's basically they go. they read hill billie elogy great book. go read j.d.'s book. go to a diner in hurricane, pennsylvania talk to four people and say everybody is

addicted to opioids, these poor miserable people and trump's their fault in the narrative in each of their. trump is their fault but you should pity them because they are such benighted people. in a certain point you get frustrated and get frustrated as somebody who knows that it's -- so, the truths that now the press is awakening two have been true for a long time. >> tucker: yes, that's right. >> they have been true for a long time. >> tucker: bobby kennedy did a door. >> and jfk. he brought david brinkley with him. and they rolled over this bridge in west virginia. the slats were open on the bridge. and poverty in appalachia. i want to tell you i was over that bridge not that many years ago. and it is still not in very good condition. so the government, politicians, and the press have been talking about poverty in appea appalachia a lg time there a element of it. part of it is politicians of both parties tricking people and telling them we're bringing back the coal.

we are bringing back the steel. we are bringing back all these things. other part of it is exploitative part that the press levees to go in and wallow around and pity these poor folks and leave and they don't get the whole story. >> tucker: hear the whole story. >> the columnist wrote a great piece a plug for him. great piece in bloomberg column he said okay there are a lot of people in west virginia opioid drugs. a lot of people dropped out of workforce. let's look at the economy underneath. the economy underneath is astonishingly productive. people working there are working damn hard and doing a great job. >> tucker: and they are smart. >> and they are smart and maintaining a quality of life and maintaining an income that is comparable to japan or france. and that ain't that bad for a place that everybody in america right now says is the benighted dismal swamp that has cursed america with this president. give me a break. >> tucker: also, honestly, where would you rather live, japan, france, new york city or west virginia? i would rather live in west virginia. >> tucker, if i can get them to move the government to

ohio county, west virginia. it would probably ruin ohio county, west virginia. i would live there and raise my kids there. >> tucker: you think it's tough now. thank you, chris, it's great to see you. >> great to be here. >> tucker: next book probes the rotting car consultation of hillary clinton for campaign u looking for a cause of death. we will tell you some the books most aloom nation experts and they do illuminate. stay tuned. ♪

>> tucker: we have waited five months but we have the first thorough dissection of road kill that is the road campaign. the book came out today shattered. full of revelations about clinton's failed campaign. here is some of the details. do you think the state department is the first time hillary met tell with the email server after 2008 defeat she secretly downloaded and reviewed all of the staff's emails to figure out who had betrayed

her that happened according to the book. interrogated her own staff without revealing she had spied on them. did she learn anything from the snooping? abarnghtly not how to run a good campaign. by early 2000 15, the authors say hillary was inaccessible to most of her staff preferring to communicate through huma abedin. elsewhere they write that hillary's campaign was so spirit crushing that her aids eventually shorthanded the feeling of impending doom with a simple mantra we are not allowed to have nice things. that makes you sad read tsmght environment of blame and back stabbing emanated from the top when the state department server became public knowledge and it was problem, hillary refused to accept any responsibility for it according to the book quote hillary instead turned her fury on consultant and campaign aids blaming them for failure to focus the media on her platform as if that was possible. one person she never blamed at all not a little bit not one smidgen, herself. in other words, everything you ever suspected about

hillary clinton turns out to be true which is often the way it is. that's about it for us tonight. stay with fox all night for live updates on a lot that's going on. see you tomorrow at 9:00. >> hannity is next. ♪ sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. set your dvr, download our podcast. "special report" is next. >> bret: this is a fox news alert. i am bret baier in washington. a government in fresno, california, kills three this afternoon in a shooting rampage reportedly yells although auch barr as police taken down and then tells police he hates white people. police say the suspect, has a history of criminal activity. let's get to this breaking story. night from jonathan hunt. >> bret, it happened on the streets of downtown fresno. three people killed. the vic