to national security. >> dana: all right, judge. i loved it. thank you.u. that's it for us to make your things are watching us. i am dana perino. tucker carlson is next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the other, day, another apparent attack. isis is taking responsibility tonight for a shooting on the champs elysees in paris. a lab report from europe in a moment but the daily mail's katie hopkins will be here to discuss the growing danger of prospect confidence. first the war over president trump's immigration policies continues tonight. want a manual at montes an illegal immigrant was deported in february. he's doing. he should have been protected by dhaka, federal programs devised by the obama administration. the big torso, will be conferred

by gonzales curio. he's a mexican-american judge who was -- he was an illegal immigrant but despite that shehe eventually made it in finance here in the united states and became the vice president at goldman sachs. she recently wrote a piece accusing the trip and administration of creating a deportation force that will drive out millions of immigrants. she joins us now. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: so you applied for a job and were accepted at goldman sachs and ascended in the rakes but you were here illegally. that suggests that you used an illegal social security number, someone else's,oc a stolen social security number. who's was it?t? >> i did. i used a fake social security number that didn't want anyone. it was a completely made up number. unfortunately, that is what young people who are incredibly burden ared forced to do given the immigration policy that we currently have. i wassi very fortunate to be abe

to become an american citizen eventually when i got married to a u.s.o citizen. for millions of people, this line that we continually talk about doesn't actually fit.'tay there isn't a pathway for people to get documented, including the young man that you just mentioned that was deported recently. >> tucker: your said you were forced to do it. my understanding is that's a felony punishable by five to ten years in prison. you have any regrets by committing a fennel need to take a job? >> it actually -- the felony that you were talking about really depends on what state, and i did not commit identity theft. i used a social security number that was fake. i absolutely wished that i didn't have to do that. i wish there had been a pathway for me to become a permanent resident and essentially a citizen. i absolutely wish there would've been another way, but given the circumstances that i was in, that really was my only choice. i did the best that i could with

the circumstances i had, and as you said, i became a vice president at goldman sachs and later became a director. >> so you had no choice but to work at goldman sachs. i guess it sounds to me like -- andd congratulations on your success in this country. i think he would be a little bit more grateful to the opportunities this country brought you. it sounds like you are blaming the country for the laws that you don't like. you had to violate our laws because they weree unjust laws. why did you have to violate our laws? >> what i am saying is that there are laws that are unjust. but i am not blaming anybody for the circumstances that i was in. i'm incredibly grateful to this country, which is why i became an american citizen. that was one of the best days of my life to finally be recognized by country that i have called home since i was 11 years old. so i'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity. so now, what i am doing is

trying to make that opportunity available for more people who come here to work really hard and use their talents to make this country the country it is. a great beautiful country, which is why i livee here and amp an american citizen now. >> tucker: i get it's worked out great for you and it has for a lot ofgr immigrants and i adme their work ethic and their drive and i also sympathize with those who leave the country that they are fleeing from. i also think american should have a voice v in it. i also find your characterization of the president's proposed border wall a symbol of hate is not an indication of gratitude, suggesting you don't think america has the right to protect its borders. that seems a very odd attitude for someone who has benefited so much from your adopted country. >> not at all. i don't think that makes me ungrateful. i think that makes me a citizen of the country who also gets to have a voice. my boys might be different than your voice, but we both get voices. >> tucker: of course i'm not

challenging your right to say what you think, and i wouldn't defend it literally. however, i don't understand why our country's desire to protect its borders is an expression of hate. what>> does it mean? >> n i think that might -- the point that i am trying to make is that the wall is not the best weight to protect our borders. i live here. i want this country to be safe. my children are growing to go up in america as american citizens born here. i absolutely want our country to be safe. but building a wall that is going to cost millions of dollars of taxpayers -- my tax dollars are going to. >> tucker: i don't have any patients for that argument. that's only real argument. >>pr has a well going to protect usus? >> tucker: you say that theyo walls going to be too expensive. you said is an expression of hate, and i just want to get to the bottom of that. why is it hateful to want to build a wall? a lot of americans -- a majority

in some sense, why is it related to heat? >> it is a hateful symbol. it is a symbol of hate against immigrants, it is a symbol of hate against mexican immigrants, which the president -- mr. trump -- run his campaign on. so i do still view the wall as a symbol of hate. >> tucker: i just want to get to the bottom of this because you are throwing around a language that has an effect on people's attitudes, and it's prettyse heavy duty because it presumes motives that you can't know. you don't know that people supporting the wall hates mexicans. a lot of immigrants that come across the more order are not mexicans -- they are central american spirit is it legitimate for an american to say i want to control who comes into my country and we don't have that. so a wall will reestablish that. would you denounce that? >> i would absolutely welcome a conversation about how we create a system by which people can

come here legally that will benefit america, that will increase tax revenue, increase economic activity. so we should have a conversation. >> tucker: we are having that conversation now but you are not answering my question. you are not answering the key question. let's get to another question. why is it a symbol of hate for people who disagree with you on the wall? >> as a mexican immigrant, i can have an opinion that that walt toomey symbolizes hate. >> tucker: i am merely -- i think you have a right to have any opinion you want but i have a right to ask you what you are talking about. you can't explain it. let's move onto my next question which is really simple. how many people should we allow into this country illegally every year? let's be precise and to do this for a living. how many people should we allow in legally each year? >> i don't think people we should allow people illegally into the country. i think we should create a pathway so that people can come into the country legally.

it's very -- i never had to cross a border illegally. i came herein. i don't know what it's like to risk your life to come here but many people do die trying to come to our country. i would want to have a way wayo let people to come work in this country can come work in this country legally. >> tucker: how many? at 320 million people in the country -- again, you do this for a beginning. this is not something you haven't thought about. how manyny people should be letn every year? this is about a million a half illegally, which at this number be? i'm interested in this answer. what is it? >> i think that we have to have a deeper conversation w to comep with a number that makes sense. but the number right now when ws talk about high skills people age when -- we only get h-1b visa's we give out every year to do a lottery and that number

hasn't changed in decades. we have a look immigration symbol -- a system and how do we create a password for this. >> tucker: i am trying to be respectful and i do respect your achievements and i think you are clearly a talented person but i think if you advocate for policy changes, you ought to be able to define what they are and it them. and you can't. many other people can't. ii just want a specific spear that's all i want. i'm not trying to be mean. i'm sorry, we're out of time. >> i can provide you with specifics. >> tucker: i've asked you five times. what's the c number? how many people should be let in? every year?de what's the ideal number of illegal immigrants other h will be programs or various other programs? how may people's we bring it in a year? >> that cap of 85,000 visas should be at least double that number. to meet the demands of our country and our economy. if you are talking about h-1b

visa's, that should be double. and when it comes to privacy, we can't have that conversations about changing the immigration policy in this country without including a pathway for citizens for the 11 million people that want to get undocumented. >> tucker: and i hear illegally. as an american. i get it. thank you for throwing out that number. i appreciatenk it. thank you for joining us tonight. the modern left, the concept of free speech has become a stale relic of the 60s. miley and oculus -- david horwitz all found themselves barred from speaking. purely due to their opinions. the most recent person silas in this matter is ann coulter who was told her speech at uc berkeley could not go forth because of safety concerns. here's what she set on the show last night. >> by the way, i am giving the speech. i don't know. what are they going to do? arrest me? they can put me in the birmingham jail as a

taxpayer-funded institution, not to mention lots of kids getting federal money to be there. attorney general jeff sessions should be looking at this. >> tucker: after an outcry, officials at berkeley are offering her speak in early may. >> miss coulter's announcement that she intends to come to this campus on april 27th without regard for the fact that we do not have a a protectable venue available on that day is of a grave concern. last night, i asked my staff to look beyond the usual venues we used for large public gathering gatherings. fortunately, that expanded search identified inappropriate protectable venue that is available on the afternoon of may 2nd. >> tucker: exercisingrc freedom of speech is of great concern says a guy fromol the college known for the free speech movement. mark's time but no, he knows what it's like to be targeted for his opinion. what stopped him from speaking

his own country. mark steinman joins us tonight. mark, you must recognize this. >> these guys i certainly recognize that kind of creepy weaselly evasive speech. a canadian blogger called laura cohen -- missy sums up very well. security is the new shut up. by what she means yes of course we believe in freedom of speech, but we have security concerns so they come up with all these -- you have to change the day, you will have to change the venue, we will have to move you to this venue. we have had a conversation with the security team and at the municipal police, and they say we are going to need 600 riot police there g to enable you to give a speech. the point of all this is that eventually, the guys give up and abandon trying to invitee conservative speakers because of the time you factor in all the security cross, you could stage

hello dolly meets godzilla on ice. for the same cause as bringing charles murray and to give a 20 minute speech to a few students. and berkeley should be ashamed of this. if it's not safe on april 27th for ann coulter to be there, they should fix that. but she'sil coming on april 27t, and she should be able to speak their without those guys losing control of the environment. >> tucker: among the many ironiesir in this come up left invented the term "victimin shaming" or "blaming the victim." that's exactly what's going on here. they show up to abridge your freedom of speech and then you are blamed for the violence they threaten. how does that work? 's we want? >> that's right. "the new york times" gave a particularly weaselly account today. they say berkeley's reputation as one of the most liberal universities. the campus and the surrounding areas have become a target for a

small militant and shadowy right wing groups. in other words, if you read "the new york times," you would think that this is a right wing violence targeting a liberal campus. it's the exact opposite. it's a left-wing thugs of middleburymi who put a liberal professor in the hospital and made her have to go pack a couple days later with a concussion. these groups claim to be fascists -- antifascist. you don't actually need fascists of the so-calledfa antifascist groups are putting a liberal female professors in the hospital. the administrators of american universities are some of the most disgraceful people in the western world at the a moment. they are actually selling out one of the critical elements of the western inheritance, which is freedom ofed speech. they are turning basically university campuses to the equivalent of english hooligan football stadiums of the

1970s. shame on them. >> tucker: i have to say if you say you are antifascist, it's a red flag. maybe it suggests you are one? what exactly is the right to this? you have had it happen to you. you have been prevented from speaking in public like people like this. how do you respond? >> d i think you do what ann coulter is doing. you say you are going to be there. this is a public university. we just had a fascinating discussion with a lady who thinks it's hateful to put up a wallll to prevent illegal immigrants entering the country, but apparently, a publicly funded institution, half the american people are not welcome to come and express their opinions there. you have to take a stand against that. there's no point having a personal amendment, there's no point having legal battles, there has to be a broader culture of free speech and every

time the left says no we'd rather punch your lights out, it's the duty of the universityy administrators to slap them down. also the duty of swishes like a pathetic people that run the berkeley police department who signed idly by and oppose as neutral between the thugs and at thent group holding the event. the berkeley police department also needsds to be held to account. >> tucker: it is the leadership. i bet if you talk to the average cop in berkeley he would be as frustrated as you are. mark steyn, thanks a lot. >> you are right, tucker. police chiefs are politically correct and many of these cases. >> tucker: tries the cops crazy. mark, thank you. ups next, isis is claim responsibility for an attack in the city of paris. we'll bring you the very latest on that. we'll talk to daily mail's katie hopkins, one of our favorites, about the hazards of letting in massive migrant populations in the thirdra world.

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♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. terror once aga >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. terror once again hits the streets of paris today as a gunman killed a police officer and hurt two more before being killed himself. a lot happened there. joining our correspondent kevin oz bike was in brussels, belgium, tonight. kevin, what's going on?ay >> they do know the identity of the attacker but they are not making it publict just cap because they say it is possible he could have had accomplices and they wouldn't know that before they tell the public and

at the media more information. this all unfolded just a couple of hours ago if it would've not one of the most well-known famous boulevards here on this continent. witnesses saying he started drying down the bowl of work, parked near a police van, and then started shooting the police officers inside the van. he said he didn't try to run away but the police officer shot and killed him. right now, two police officers remain in a hospital with serious injuries. tucker, what is so fascinating here is the timing of all of this. this all unfolded just three days before the french public go to the polls and what has just been a presidential race filled with twists and turns. who this could really benefit is the far right marine le pen. she is a platform that is very tough on immigration. she wants toto strengthen secury on france's borders and she also hadan this french first policy where she wants to give people french residents who were born

in france first priority when it comes tofi jobs and social benefits. she wants to prioritize them over foreign-born residents. it's going to be very interesting to see in the coming days if her platform becomes more popular with the french public, and if she really benefits from this. the latestt polls that were just out this morning show she is currently running neck and neck with manual background. this is really a horse race at this point. the country in some respect is shifting its focus with a ute unusual presidential race to once again terrorism. soon kevin, thanks a lot for that. this kevin just said, attacks like this have elevated immigration to the top of french politics and yet that country like the rest of europe is still facing a flood of migrants from africa and of the middle east. it shows no signs of stopping. is there anyway to keep western europe from becoming 1 of 1 vast encampment for the world's poor? katie hopkins has thought about this a lot.

he's calling us from dailymail.com and she's joining us today. katie, is there a way to stop what seems like an endless stream of people from these regions coming to your? >> i don't believe there is. in 2015, i've said in quite a few articles, stop the boats. we should send the military to stop the boats crossing the med, just like the australian said. we did nothing about it. we just kind of collective g mourned about this baby that got washed up onn the beach and then angela merkel opened up the borders and said that the mall come. we are still paying the price for that now. two years later, we just had 8,000 migrants arrive in one weekend in italy. 33,000 so far this year. the more alarmingly than ever, the nongovernmental organizations are providing a rescue service, which is now operating more or less as a free ferry service, direct from libya

to italy. i think that specificallyow is e problem now that we have charities providing a ferry service from libya to italy direct. i can only see this problem gettingt' worse. >> tucker: but that's a subversion of what they are supposed to be doing. i thought the point of this ngos floating around in the med is to rescue people who are almost a year, almost to italy, and then maybe bring them back or keep them out of the water. you are saying that they are bringingng them across from liba to europe? >> something very strange is happening in the mediterranean right now. there is a proliferation of these boats there. more numerous by the day. they are going to write up the libyan territorial waters, they are flashing their larger flashlights at night to attract the migrants to them, and there's even suggestions that nowt they don't talk to the coast guard when they are in distress although they are already in distress before they leave there shore because they have to make the whole journey. in fact what is happening is the

migrants are speaking direct to the ngo boats and then are calling them to help before there's really an issue. i think that's a concern. y i also wanted to say, tucker, your last speaker there, kevin, i would say marie le pen is not far right, she is just of the right. she is in the right. she wants to keep france for the french. any idea that macron, the central candidates going to be up just protect people, he came out tonight and said the first drop of a leader is to protect people. frankly, he couldn't protect macaroni and cheese. nthe's an investment banker, hes got his dad's money, he got to marry his teacher and had to create his own political because no one wanted to play with him. do not vote for him. vote marine m and get france bak to the front. >> tucker: you are highly awesome, katie. i have to say. i lost control for a second. really quickly, you live there. i'm fascinated by the psychology by this. i bet if you could do a real

pole in the majority of european citizens are not in favor of unregulated migration of large groups into their content but people who run europe seem to be. why are they in favor of f a? >> they love it. they love open border, they love the idea that you should just bring people over, have them come and be contributedbu to lie in it and say we should be taking more of these people, and they don't see the truth. they won't listen to the hard truth. the truth is the guy that took the truck and drove into the christmas market in berlin, he can't provide italy. these people are bringing over monsters, many of them have been really close by isis and camps and00 africa. they are played thousands of dollars if theyhe make the trip across the med and then sign up to fight for isis. these are the people that liberals seem to want to welcome inin the name of equality. i think it's people like me, right minded people, who want to send them home. these attacks in paris was well known to the authorities, he had

a 20 year prison term for attacking police historically. and sadly, daily mail.com have been writing about it tonight. sadly they released him early only for him to drop up alongside a release fan and gunned down more police. it's ridiculous, and we need to get rid of these monsters, deport these monsters, and put british people, french people, people that aren't nationals to their country's first. >> tucker: is like we are watching the same movie on a loop. opkatie hopkins, thanks a lot fr that tonight. up next, the student government at a kentucky college pastor's resolution demanding the school pay reparations to black students.bl by giving them free tuition. one of the co-authors of that resolution joins us just ahead. stay tuned for that. you know, geico insures way more than cars. boats, motorcycles... even rvs! geico insures rvs? what's an rv? uh, the thing we've been stuck on for five years!

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have you. i understand the reasoning, i don't think i agree, but there is no mystery about what this is about. but some of the details are unclear. the category that benefits fromf this includes lack students whose families weren't in the united states during the slaveholding period. recent arrivals for example. >> i actually can't hear you very clearly. we try turning up the volume. can you repeat that form a? >> tucker: of course.f would this apply to students whose families weren't here when slavery existed in the united states? ate lot of recent -- with a benefit from this? >> so, when we talk about reparations, we are deafly specifically talking about people who have direct ties to slavery, jim crow, and segregation. i think that there are separate but just as important conversations to have about

african immigrants, caribbean immigrants who come here and also face racial discrimination that inhibits them from education as well. so even people who families didn't suffer under state-sponsored discrimination or under slavery would be entitled to that. those groups tend to do, as i'm suree you know from looking at the numbers, pretty well and a lot of cases out and a native born americans.ou why would they be entitled to this also? >> you were using the word and titled and i don't know if that's the right word. when we talk about african immigrants face discrimination, i can actually speak on this very uniquely because i am the daughter of immigrants who came here. there is unique discrimination that faces african immigrants that many people don't talk about. while i feel like this proposal specifically focuses on black americans who have dealt with the effect of slavery, and the inability to pass on wealth,

which is really the big point that makes these groups disenfranchised and unable to get into college of some groups are. >> tucker: but what if -- you really are two different things will start with this and stick to the primary one. how could you prove that your family was affected by jim crow or slavery? would you have to show that your ancestors were a super percentage of were afro-american? will be the standard for this? >>s these are important questios and i am actually glad you were asking them. the whole point of this resolution was to get a conversation started about reparationss. owed to black americans, specifically in the form of education. sos there are small details such as what you are pointing out.t. that wouldn't be more nuanced and more focused on, but i don't thinke it's very difficult to prove that someone who wasn't immigrated here who has suffered from the effects of slavery, jim crow, and segregation. >> tucker: i'muc not sure

they're small details though and a kind of gets to the heart of what might be the problem with this or one of the problems with this, and that is what you haver a body like your university or the u.s. government or a state government o doing blood tests n people to decide who's in what racial category and then it giving people benefits on the basis of that. that used to be considered really creepy. it evokes earlier and uglier times, when government would decide what category you are in based on your blood and help some people and hurt others. does that give you any pots at all? >> i think saying that i it hurs others i don't know exactly what you mean by that. the whole point of the resolution is that college should be accessible to everyone, and right now, there are historical obstacleses in place that uniquely affect black americanso that make college so thato it's not acceptable. universities love to use words

like diversity, inclusion, and inclusion fails to recognize how slavery, jim crow, segregation, how all of these things still set back a lot of black youth today and make it very hard for them to get into college, and more specifically, pay for college. so the idea is not this would hurt anyone. it would help people. >> tucker: let me stop you there. i don't think everything you're saying is crazy or anything, but the idea that no one would be hurt byre preferences for some doesn't really hold up. if i have three kids and i get to ice cream but not the third, i am hurting that kid because i am showing favoritism to the other kid. so of course it does. any time of segregation is bad that show favoritism to one group on the basis of that group's race. that seems pretty much the exact same as that. why is it different? >> tucker: de mexico the word toik use "favoritism" that's really important. to say that paying back

african-americans for capturing them and enslaving them and segregating them and pushing them into communities to say i that paying them back is favoritism is just not the right wordrd. >> tucker: hold on here. an 18-year-old african-american, his parents might be doctors, if you were giving him benefits over someone of a different color from a poor background, doesn't seem like justice to meet, doesn't you? it happens a lot by the way. >> i don't know if that happens a lot, but what we are talking about here -- sure. when you talk about economic privilege, some groups in different races are more privilege than others, that's a fact, that's true. but when we are talking about specifically c black students getting into college, there are huge disparities in comparison. that's really the point of this

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safety of the vaccine. we spokepi to him about that topic. watch. this is such a taboo subject that i think a lot of people would hesitate even to bring it up. but i t have read a lot that you've written on it and it didn't agree with all of it i bt think you're crazy. you're not anti-vaccine. you fascinate your own children. but you have concerns. tell me first what your reaction is when you tell people you're skeptical of the vaccine regimen in the united states. >> i'm pro-vaccine, i've never said any vaccine. i've read the science, and at thee science is very clear that some of the vaccines and you have to understand is that the vaccine regimen changedha dramatically around 1989. the reason it chains, tucker, is that congress was drowning in pharmaceutical industry money and it was something they never did for any under other indust. no matter how sloppy the

protocol were or how toxic the ingredient or egregious -- there is no definition, there's no discoveries, there is no class action suits. all of a sudden, vaccines became enormous. >> tucker: from that point from '89. >> '87 it was implemented and it was a gold rush to the department to pick up the industry to add a new vaccines. i got three vaccines and i was -- i'm 63 years old. my children got 69 doses of 16 vaccines to be compliant. a lot of these vaccines aren't even for communicable -- casually comedic will see. like hiv that comes from unprotected or using or sharing needles. why do we give that to a child? it was loaded with mercury. and we do give that to children.

>> take it out of 3 vaccines in this. country. we have seen vaccines all over the world and there is a most potent toxin known to man that is not radioactive. how can c we inject that into a child? if you take that vaccine vial and break it, you have to dispose of that. he had to evacuate the building. why don't we take that subject and inject into a kid? >> tucker: the arguments you know is a group community is what you are searching for and there are downsides. >> when i talk about immunity, they are talking about casually contagion like measles. last month, a group of very prestigious scientists with a robust study of african children studiedie the dvts of their

tetanus vaccine, which is the most widely distributed vaccine in thehe world. every kid in africa gets it. but they did a vaccination study that has never been done, and what they found was the kids who didn't get the vaccine -- the little babies were ten times as likely to die in the next two months as the kids who did not. what they concluded was that the study was funded by the danish government, and at these people are bulletproof scientists, they said they are killing more people than tetanus combined. we need to do those cost-benefit analyses on every vaccine. >> tucker: why? final question, but why has the point that you are making that doesn't seem crazy, been so discredited? could itn be because the spokesman for that point of view tend to be actresses from

hollywood who don't seem to know much about the topic and are against all vaccinations? >> i think that is out there but it's very, very i small. i'm called anti-vax all the time because of the pharmaceutical industry -- they give it $5.4 billion of the year to media. they've gotten rid of the lawyers, so there's no legal in those cases. they have been able to control the debate and assignments people like me. i'm very grateful to you for having theme courage to allow me onto the show and talk and say this is the second show in ten years it's allowed me to talk about this. the other one being bill marr, which doesn't take advertising. >> tucker: i just think it's interesting, and above all, i think it should be allowed to ask legitimate questions without being attacked because i think that's the basis of democracy. >> thank you for having a responsible debate.

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♪ >> tucker: time now for the friend zone. we welcome someone from inside the building. one >> tucker: sign-up for the friends and we welcome someone from inside the building, one of our friends onto the soap. tonight's guest is charles payn charles payne. this man has a grandchildren, which is shocking. i want to ask you who is famous here at fox who makes you a three course every day that you bring to lunch and a lunch box. how hard to believe that sweet it is, but it's real.

>> three-tier lunch block and i a movie called lunchbox. it's an indian thing. it's amazing and at the bottom tray is your main course, usually something i hate ending up being beef with onions or lasagna ora anything like that. it's pretty good, it helps you stop fromac snacking. >> tucker: i'm just so>> impressed. it's really, really sweet. but your wife had been profoundly significant health trouble and overcame it. >> she's a heart transplant recipient. it's been over four years. it was a remarkable story in the sense that she was just about done. when i say just about done, she had a device called an l been -- and l bed is where they take a device and jam it into your lefo ventricle, a court sticks out f your stomach, that's connected to the brains of it. that's plugged into external power. 75% of the work on the heart for her was doing 85% of the work. they say that you know what, make sure you talk to someone

before you get this. if you know anyone, very few people have had it and it's alive but it you pay a cost. i'm goingshke to tell you who se spoke to. a friend of mine in wyoming who is real good friends with dick cheney, dick cheney had the same thing. i called my friend, he said give me a a minute, 20 minutes later, dick cheney called my wife and spoke to her for 40 minutes. >> tucker: that's unbelievable. >> i left the room, i came back, she said they cried, they praye prayed, and the next day there was an article in the daily news by -- it's dick cheney was the most evil man in the world. can you imagine the? >> tucker: your wife at a transplant and the ended who was it from? >> it was from a good friend of mine's daughter. yeah. semicraft, that's her right there. a beautiful -- she was 20 years old at the time. just a beautiful young girl appeared she was an actress, singer and the fact that the movie bad news bears was remade,

she was the star. the taino numeral, is billy bob thorton. i wasas feeling in the first stuart, we were on commercial break, and i'm looking at my emails, and i get an email from her father. he said my daughter said and i want your wife to have her hurt. but it was crazy, talker. we had to go through so much red tape and initially you they sak you couldn't have the heart. my phone rings and my wife is crying hysterically and she sayd i can have the heart. so we went straight to jfk, lax, and the next day she got the heart. >> tucker:nb one of your grandchildren is named after the girl? >>na our youngest granddaughter sammy is named after this. >> tucker: that's an amazing story. thanks a lot, l charles. we will be right back. get 24/7 digestive support, with align.

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>> tucker: that's it for us >> tucker: that's about it for a sign. turning tomorrow is our final night at 9:00 p.m.

we are the show there is a sworn enemy of wine, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. next week will be at 8:00 eastern time. "hannity" is next. sean is in jerusalem. don't miss that. have a great night. ♪ * * * * * * * >> sean: this is a brought back fox's alert and we are broadcasting from jerusalem. my opening monologue is coming up in the next segment but first we have a lot of breaking news all over the world tonight. north korea nowia through state run media issued a new warning to the united states, threatening to launch a super mighty preemptive strike that would reduce america and south korea to ashes. joining us down with more on the rising tensions between the u.s. and north korea from the pentagon as our own jennifer griffin. jennifer. >> sean, they are really in a watch and wait mode here at the pentagon. no real developments on the peninsula today, but all eyes are on that