continue from jerusalem 10:00 p.m. eastern. my interview with the prime minster from israel benjamin netanyahu. we'll see you back >> martha: we are covering breaking news tonight. nearly 1:00 a.m. now as terror strikes the heart of france again. a police officer killed two others, gravely wounded near the same champs-élysees, isis quickly claiming responsibility for this attack. french officials say that it was a war weapon that was used in this attack. waiting for more details on that. they have withstood attacks in nice, charlie had no characters, at the nightclub, and now, once again, and france, they are under attack. getting ready for a big election come sunday. one candidate has called for a postponement in light of this. more news from france as we get throughout the evening. also, breaking tonight, the president once said nobody builds a wall better than me.

and promised to build 11900 miles long. he said if you don't have real borders, you don't have real country. those words helped to carry him to the white house. >> i'm going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america. >> horrible things have happened. they're getting the hill out or they are going to prison. >> i am going to build a great, great wall on our southern border and i will have mexico pay for that wall. >> we are going to triple the number of i.c.e. deportations officers. >> we will take that fight to the drug cartels and work to liberate our communities from the terrible grip of violence. >> docket is a very, very difficult subject for me because you have these incredible kids

come in many cases, not in all cases. >> martha: good evening, everybody, i am martha maccallum, it is day 91 of the first 100 prior to the dark government tasked with carrying out that plan we just heard about, attorney general jeff sessions of homeland security john kelly are on their first joint trip today to the border. just a short time ago, they joined us exclusively on "the first 100 days" from el paso, texas, . >> gentlemen, welcome to both to you. great to have you with us on "the first 100 days" tonight. let's jump right in. there's a lot to get to. secretary kelly, your thoughts, as you go down to the border together today, how much of the changes that we just heard about have been implemented? >> well, we are still working on a broad range of things, martha. just to highlight something, in the last 60, 90 days, the movement of illegal immigrants up from central america through mexico has dropped off 70%, right about a 15, 16 year low.

frankly, we haven't done all that much yet. there is a fair amount of what i would call fencing here between the border, very, very effective. the men and women that work the border, i.c.e. and others, find it remarkably effective in keeping down the eight amount of illegal movement across the trickle borders. >> martha: let me stay with you moment for secretary kelly, the fencing, the wall was a promise that it was made by the president. at one point, you said it would be started in the first couple of months. when will it begin? >> we have got requests out for proposals. i think something in the neighborhood of 100 companies from across the nation have shown interest and are starting to put together their prototype prototypes. if the expectation, my expectation, of course, contracting is a pretty complicated business in the federal government, unfortunately, too complicated. i think by late spring, early summer, we will have some prototypes and be able to move forward by the end of the summer.

we won't be able to do it all in one afternoon. that is, build a wall and physical barrier, this see-through wall, depending on the conditions. but we will get at it as quick as we can for you >> martha: attorney general sessions, this week they were stories about possible differences above tactics and ways of approaching this issue between you and secretary kelly. you have taken a hard line, saying, we don't want you to cross the border, it is not safe for you to cross the border. secretary kelly has characterized the majority of people who come over as good people from central america. do you take issue with that characterization? >> no. most of the people are coming here for personal reasons. they are not criminals. but we do have, unfortunately, a number of criminal elements involved. we have international cartels, ms-13 headquartered in el salvador. now, maybe 10,000 of the

united states. perhaps, the most violent gang we have ever had in the united states. no, i don't think we have any disagreement at all about that. i am here basically to congratulate him, his border patrol, his i.c.e. officers, for the fabulous work they have done. really, the biggest part of this credit goes to president trump. it's his message, that this border is no longer open. if you want to come to america, apply, do it lawfully. we had met 11 million people a year to lawful, permanent status in america. just don't do it illegally, let's do it legally. we will get this thing done. i think it is quite a thing to celebrate this much progress in the first 100 days. >> martha: secretary kelly, let's talk about daca. big story this week, juan montes, 23 euros old, just departed from this country. he is covered by daca until 2018, so, why was he departed? >> he wasn't daca anymore

because of his behavior. he had multiple brushes with the law. one conviction for larceny. he left the country, then, returned illegally. he takes himself by his actions off the daca list. when he was taken into custody and deported, he was no longer covered by daca. >> martha: the people that support him, they say he is the sole supporter for his family, he claims he was eating at a restaurant in california, was picked up by agents and tossed over the border. you don't agree with those? you think those are false assertions? >> they are absolutely false assertions. you would expect somebody here under the daca rules to be extra special cautious in terms of getting crosswise with our laws. he didn't. so, he's gone. >> martha: attorney general sessions, in terms of daca in the broad picture, does that change obama's administration? are you going t daca or should e

expect that it will not be honored? >> i have made my position clear over the years. actually, as to the legality of the president's order, one of the orders has already been struck down. look, what we got to do and what the general has to do, is to deploy his resources at the most important areas. as you heard president trump say, we are focusing on criminal people, people who have gotten into violation of the law, and to have otherwise present a threat to the united states. that is who we are focusing on now. >> martha: in other words, people who are here undocumented, but are not breaking a law besides that, can they expect to be untouched? >> what i would say, the only thing i can say is what the law says. if you enter the country unlawfully, you are subject to being deported. general kelly and i are

prosecutors, we will be focusing on the top priorities first. that is what we are going to do. >> martha: i do want to ask you about ms-13, which are brought up a moment to go. this is a scourge of this nation, and it has brought the kind of moment that we used to think was relegated to drug cartels south of the border, to places like los angeles on long island, we have seen beheadings. why did we not, general kelly coming here about this more? we have heard about it but not to the extent that you are all taking it on now in the prior administration. >> martha, i would just tell you that this administration is willing to take on these hard issues. this administration is not willing to kick these problems down the road to the next president. we are taking them on right now. that is what president trump told us to do. if the only thing i can surmise in the past, as you know, i think i was on duty in southern command for 39 months, more or less, prior to taking this job. i knew what was going on. i was always astounded by people

in the united states were talking about it. i was pretty busy intercepting hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of drugs as it moved up into mexico. i don't know why they didn't talk about it. we are. >> martha: no doubt that is one of the many reasons that you were chosen for your job as secretary. we thank you for that service. in terms of ms-13, in terms of the legal side of it, attorney general sessions, you have talked about this in battle terms, this is the beachhead to go against them. how do you do that? how you can get the people that are here, track them down, and put a cork in this problem? >> good question. what we are doing, we are telling our federal investigators to go after these individuals when they have evidence about somebody connected to the ms-13. let's go after them. let's attack their money laundering and their violence and their prostitution and their killing. if we do that, regularly and

consistently, we can do what we have done before. we stop the colombian cartels. we actually damaged ms-13 a number of years ago. it has come back. we can damage it again. our goal is to destroy those, to dismantle it. that is what president trump gave us an executive order, to dismantle these international criminal organizations. we are going to do that. we are going to prosecute them. we are going to investigate them. we are going to deport them after that. that is the right thing to do. i believe we'll be successful. it is going to be a top priority of this government. you can be sure of it. >> martha: attorney general, another quick question for you. the judge he was overseeing the case we talked about a moment ago go with mr. montes as someone that had a bed of a run-in with president trump because he was overseeing trump university case during the course of the election. do you think this judge can be fair in this case? >> i suspect all the lawyers who know what more about it than i,

would file for a recusal if necessary. but i go into a courtroom assuming you will get a fair hearing. if there is -- if it is proved otherwise, emotion can be filed. >> martha: one other comment from you, attorney general sessions, a comment you made in regards to the extreme vetting, which has been shut down by a hawaii judge. you said you are amazed that a judge sitting in a island in the pacific can stop an order form the president of united states that appears to be his statutory power. that is getting some pushback at a number of venues in the media today. do you want to clarify that statement at all? >> hawaii is a beautiful island. we have about 800 federal judges, one protected perhaps by the ninth circuit, as it on executive order by the president of the united states, that i believe is constitutional. i believe is explicitly approved by statutory law.

the law process will go forward, appeals will be held. >> martha: secretary kelly, how are the border agents doing down there? what is their attitude toward the administration? >> they couldn't be happier. i will tell you this, they are remarkable men and women. they have been very, very underappreciated, not allowed to do their job, now, they are simply doing their job and they are happy to do it. i have to add a comment. when i hear people criticize men and women like i.c.e., believe the first thing that they hear on tv or in the media, i am reminded by a guy by the name of brian terry, who patrolled these very graded dangerous border areas, who was killed of the line of duty. we just caught one of his last two remaining murderers. i called his mother and offered my condolences and told her that we caught one of the animals

that murdered her son, one of the illegal aliens that murdered her son. to those of a kind of men and women we have here. those of the kind of families they come from. the only thing she said to me was, please, please, please, tell them all to be careful. i pray for them. that is my last comment, martha. these are wonderful men and women. >> martha: thank you very much. we followed his story very closely here and that was very good news for his family and for the rest of the country, as well, when you all attract those people down. we truly appreciate you being with us today, gentlemen. thank you very much to you both. >> martha: thank you. >> martha: our thanks to them. as you know, we are covering a breaking news story. an attack of the hard difference tonight. policeman killed days before a crucial election. what will it mean for the future of france as they get ready for that? we will stay on that for you tonight. plus, cold war era suspicions are now gripping the cia, as the fbi is searching for a mole who

is filling secrets inside the agency. the man who interrogated khalid sheikh mohammed for the cia, james mitchell, here on that. in the first deportation of a so-called dreamer is getting democrats very riled up. but is new dnc chair tom perez being completely honest about this issue? david wohl end bennett here with us in a moment. >> expect someone that was here under the daca rules to be extra special cautious in terms of getting crosswise with our laws. he didn't. so, he's gone. ♪

>> martha: breaking tonight, france on edge this evening. a bit after one in the morning. anti-terror under way. ice is quickly for this attack attack. very concerned, of course, whether another attack could possibly be underway, whether them working with a person, one officer dead, to others seriously wounded. the attacker was killed. it is the latest in a grim string of incidents in that beautiful country. go back to january, 2015, terrorists stormed the offices of the magazine in paris.

november, 2015, attacking a crowd us. crowded paris concert hall. 2016, july, and extremist crash a truck killing nearly 90 people. then, this today. you can imagine why the french people are very much on edge. three days from now, they will go to the polls and vote in the first round of the presidential election. it is hotly contested. at least one candidate is calling for a postponement due to the events of this evening. we will keep you posted from new developments from france tonight. breaking news at home, you just heard attorney general jeff sessions and the dhs secretary john kelly address this story, which is very big this week. the deportation of this 23-year-old, juan manuel montes. tonight, there is no details in this case, including that the judge presiding over this case, check this out, will be none other than the judge who was the subject of a lot of controversy for now president trump during

the campaign. this is justice curiel. he was repeatedly attacked by the candidate on twitter and elsewhere for his handling of the trump university kansas. that caused a lot of backlash for trump. we go to william la jeunesse for more on this. >> a big story partially because donald trump says he wouldn't deport the daca recipients, then come he got into office and said he would be humane about it. we have two totally different stories. on the one hand, the dreamer says he was tossed over the border back to mexico without cause or due process, despite his protected legal status. on the other, you have the federal government saying that juan manuel montes blew it. he had the freedom to live and work in the u.s. and likely a shot at legal residency and threw it away for a pleasure trip to mexico. so, here are the two stories. montes claims he's having lunch with a friend of the u.s. side of the board and when he was confronted by a border patrol agent, when he couldn't

immediately produce his daca i.d., he claims he was detained and deported. homeland security says that is a lie. i am quoting, "there are no records or evidence to support his claim that he was detained or taken to the calexico port of entry on february 18th." instead, officials say that montes was already in mexico, when they caught him a day later, trying to sneak in by climbing over a fence. at the bottom line, there are cameras on both sides of the border, and if he was indeed deported involuntarily, there is going to be video, paper trail, logs, radio calls, and probably witnesses. the federal judge hearing that case, as you said, as gonzalo curiel. recall, he handled the trump university litigation. candidate trump said he could be ejected because of his mexican heritage even though he was born in indiana. i am told that half of his cases are probably immigration related and he should not have a hard time being unbiased. >> martha: thank you. the new head of the dnc,

tom perez, has not always been consistent on this issue. the other day he tweeted this. "trump's mass deportation force has taken juan manuel montes. trump and republicans promise that dreamers wouldn't be targeted. lies." he seems to forget that president obama deported 365 with daca coverage after they committed some sort of an offense that negated that from i.c.e. during the course of his presidency. a little bit of selective memory on the part of mr. perez. let's bring in our guest tonight. joining me now, david wall, turning a supportive president trump. matt bennett, cofounder of third way and former deputy to mike deputy assistant to president bill clinton. given the fact that people who broke the laws that pertain to your daca status, were departed from this country and the hundreds under president obama, why would tom perez make that statement? >> because the people that were deported under president obama

were violent criminals. you are covering this earlier. there are some very bad people in this country and they should be deported. everyone agrees that if you are a violent member of ms-13 or if you commit some sort of terrible crime, you should be tossed, no matter what kind of status you have. but this guy is not that. depending on who you believe, he either committed a minor crime related to immigration laws or no crime at all. that is not at all of president obama was doing. that is what we are seeing under president trump. >> martha: david, what do you think? >> look, daca, you have to understand, is a revocable status. it's not a permanent status. forget about the immigration thing for a second. he committed a theft offense, a crime of moral turpitude, grounds to revoke the status to begin with. i got to say, his story about being singled out and deported because the immigration officers thought he looked suspicious, just doesn't ring true. it is much more likely that he visited mexico, which is another

ground to revoke daca because it breaks the chain of citizenship, the chain of residency. that would eliminate it right there. i am far more likely to believe that the immigration officer story is true, as is judge curiel. i don't like the judge will have a problem hearing this. this doesn't directly pertain to president trump, like the trump university case. this is something that pertains to cases he hears every single day that, like william said, immigration cases are huge part of its caseload. my guess is the young man is going to stay in mexico. >> martha: let me ask you legally, i know what he is arguing, david, staying with you for a moment, the government has to provide you documentation as to why you were deported. he says he didn't get that documentation. strictly as a legal matter, if that is the case, does he have any leverage on that? >> the documentation will be number one, a certified copy of his prior conviction of theft. number two, i am sure the border patrol can easily produce a

police report, a report of sorts, that will document that they were at the border, that they saw him sneaking over an illegal reentry area, and they captured, apprehended havedepor. >> martha: the bottom line here is that the rules are being adhered to. i mean, that is the bottom line. like it or not, if you don't stick to the letter of the law, that allows you the daca status that you have, you may blow it and you might not be able to get back in. >> this is precisely what we feared when trump was talking about revoking daca or talking about how terrible daca was during the campaign, which is to say that he's going after people for minor offenses of the immigration laws, rather than going after violent people. that is a mistake, that is bad policy, that is bad for the united states, and in some cases, cruel and not how we should be proceeding. just a minute -- i let you talk. the larceny offense happened before his daca status was

renewed. so, that is irrelevant. what is relevant is whether he was trying to get to the country are not. >> martha: go ahead. >> if you don't think that trump is going to go after the really bad guys come with ms-13, the hardcore gang bangers, you are wrong. that is his priority. they will get liberal about provoking daca status. anyone who has this, follow it to the letter of the law. >> martha: is john kelly just said, if you are in that situation, you are going to be extra super careful to make sure that you are not crossing any lines that might jeopardize your status. that sounds like a bottom line. thanks, you guys. good to see you both. tonight, two former advisors for president george w. bush, took a very different messages about the republican party ahead of the 2018 midterms. karl rove and scott jenning here to get two sides of this argument. plus, u.s. intelligence agencies frantically searching for a mole in an environment that some say he is quite a bit like what the cold war situation felt like

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>> martha: breaking tonight, the fbi hunts for a spy inside the intel community, after get this, wikileaks splashed top secret classified u.s. documents all over the internet. nobody knows how they got their hands on these things. then, it happened again a couple days ago. so, there is a cold war style hunt for the agent or the system or whatever it is out there that is breaking in and exposing this country's most closely held secrets. in moments, we'll be joined by former cia contract dr. james mitchell, who has it been here before on this plan, program, and who personally interrogated khalid sheikh mohammed. we begin with chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge from washington. >> thank you, martha. the fbi is running a counterintelligence investigation. along with the cia, they are exploring whether an insider at the agency was responsible for the theft of thousands of documents revealing the cia's most sensitive cyber tools. posted by wikileaks last month

i've been in days, a former military intelligence officer told fox news these records are highly restrictive. what is called compartmented information. let us help to narrow the search. >> i do believe by now that they do have a category group of about 15 people they are looking at. this is done because i think there will be a very distinct electronic trail because frankly, everybody at the cia did not have access to these very specific programs and very specific tools. >> given the new information, cia director mike pompeo's public a statement last week takes on new meaning. the language strongly suggesting that wikileaks accurately recruited someone to infiltrate the agency. >> wikileaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligent service. it's encouraged its followers to find jobs at the cia in order to obtain intelligence. it's time to called wikileaks what it really is, a nonstate hostile intelligence service, often abided by state actors

like russia. >> on twitter, wikileaks had planting of stores in the media about hunting for sources usually means a field investigation trying to say which of many suspects react. fox news has also learned the cia is doing what is called a damage assessment of that is required every time classified information is compromised, martha. >> martha: thank you very much. here now, former cia contractor james mitchell, author of "enhanced interrogation, inside the minds and motives of the islamic terrorist trying to destroy america." dr. mitchell, good to have you with us tonight. you heard the story. what do you think is going on here? what is your best got gas? >> you mean in terms of the investigation? i am hoping they will treat it every bit like they put a cold war bowl hunt. if you treat it like a one-off thing that a disgruntled employee does, you might overlook some other people that are doing similar things. i'm hoping that they are going to look hard and clean house, as it were. those kind of leaks are very,

very damaging. you may remember that some of the first leaks about the enhanced interrogation program came from aca officer who was in the office of the cia officers inspector general, leaving that information to the press. of these leaks are very dangerous. i agree with whoever the preseason guest was, that was saying that they probably have a limited pool of people. one of the good things about compartmentalized programs is that you have access rosters. you know who is allowed access to them and they keep track of who has access to them and when they access them. my guess is they are going to have a pretty small group of people that they are looking at. >> martha: they have a small group. it may be someone in the caa, they may be a plant. it could be someone from a foreign entity, someone who has worked their way into the organization, could be cyber, coming from the outside, tapping into that information. how do you snap it out and how do you get them to talk? that is your expertise, sir. >> the difference between, i

think, someone who is leaking secrets and al qaeda or isis fighter, it is what is going to happen of the secrets later, he is not wanting to be in jail. he will start making a deal, or she will start making a deal right away. i see them as a very different, much more straightforward law-enforcement approach to handling this. of the fbi is very, very good at that. there are very good at smoking these folks out, very good i could the talk for you to the primary objective of a person, especially a western carbonell, to limit the amount of time they spend in jail. they have a tendency to make deals to do that. i don't expect it will be as difficult as it would, say with a man like khalid sheikh mohammed, the mastermind behind 9/11. >> martha: any idea whether this is a foreign entity who has worked their way in or someone who has political agenda?

we have seen both scenarios. what is your gut tell you as you look of a situation? >> i think it is impossible to know. it's entirely possible, wikileaks has been around enough time, they could have convinced someone to go through the whole process of getting it. the other problem i think we have is a culture now is that we have made it sexy to reveal these kind of secrets. so the sort of subculture in the united states has turned these folks into heroes. that gets people acting as if they were moles, when in fact they may not be, and the technical sense of the term. i think whoever it is that is doing this should be smoked out event should be punished for the full extent of the law. that is the only way you can prevent the stuff from happening in the future. >> martha: grade point. you look at some of the tv shows and movies, there is this kind of intrigue that is attached to this kind of person who is able

to work their way into these systems. i don't think there's anything you can do about that. it makes for a good story. it seems like mike pompeo is really trying to demystify that a bit. he did speak very strongly about the kind of people and they kind of traitors, essentially, that exist in the circles. >> it's a problem because it puts our national security at risk. it does it in several ways. essentially, if you leak the secrets about the cia, what you are doing, you are improving the operational security of our enemies. you are telling them the methods that we use, you are telling them the things that they previously thought were safe to use are not safe to use. that changes their behavior and makes it much more difficult for us to surveilled them. the other thing that it does is it makes our allies think that we can't be trusted with a secrets. that may not be a problem for western democracies but i can definitely be a problem in the middle east, where people are working with us who don't want it known or may be an asset that

is working inside of a hostile government that doesn't want that known. the final thing that i think that is so dangerous about this, americans are caught up in this fervor about civil liberties, and they tend to take the efforts of the government to the worst possible extreme every time this sort of thing happens. one concern we have to have, there will be this public outcry to push back, or cutback, or eliminate some of these surveillance methods that have been keeping us safe. >> martha: dr. mitchell, thank you so much. i was good have you with us, sir. still ahead, a major reversal add to the so-called first place of free speech. ann coulter gets ready for a showdown at berkeley. plus, new questions of whether the media is making too much of president trump's so-called flip-flops and what that means for the grand old party. two bush white house insiders, karl rove, and scott jenny, here were totally different takes on who is to blame on capitol hill

right now when we come back.

>> martha: accounts at the g.o.p. should be firing on all cylinders, after big wins, giving enormous power in washington. so far, big zeros in the big ones. tax reform and health care. the spotlight has turned from the white to congress. we have nine days to go in the first 100 days. two bush white house veterans weigh in on all of this. from pennsylvania avenue to capitol hill, karl rove writes this, the unfavorable ability is up eight points. may be next year's election will be known as the lesser of two evils. scott jennings says president trump as "all the right enemies in the press will continue to create stories about his flip-flops are costing him his most fervent supporters. the truth is, trump space is as valid today as it was on

election day." how does all that translate? joining us now, karl rove, and scott jennings. welcome, good to have you here. i am interested in all the right enemies, and, scott, what you mean by that? is that working for president trump in terms of getting things done? >> i think the policy news coming out of washington, d.c., these days his head is spinning. we get a lot of different stories in any given day of the week. if you are an average voter out there, you are probably not following 50 beltway reporters on twitter. you are watching this a little more passively and you can assume that president trump is still doing what you want him to be doing because the people who are mad at him are still the people you don't like. "the new york times" ," "the washington post," chuck schumer, yes. then, donald trump must be doing the things i sent him to washington to do. i think the press needs to separate president trump from his base but i don't like the story lines they are creating will be successful in doing that. >> martha: very interesting.

a karl, how does that translate into wins on the g.o.p. side? >> i think scott is absolutely right. i thought it was a great piece. trump does have the right critics. i'd make the point that in addition, i wish she was spending more time developing the right allies. this is the point during which a president takes his election number, which was 46% of the electorate for trump, and grows it in the initial stages of their administration, 250 some odd, 60 some odd, and uses that early period to establish them throughout the rest of the year. i am with scott. don't worry about the critics. those critics will reinforce your base. i wish the white house would pay more attention to how can we develop a broader support. his approval rating is 43%. that is less than a percentage he got on election day. it is the lowest, no president has ever been at that point at this point to the presidency. i would like to see that higher. >> martha: when you look at some of the breakdowns i knew that a to a people are saying,

they do seem, scott, and karl, to be unhappy about tax reform. unhappy about health care. these are the big things that affect our lives and we want these done. i think the iyer has turned in large part to congress because congress, paul ryan, they have tried to pull these folks together and they can't believe it's not working. scott, go ahead. [laughs] >> i agree that voters are getting a little bit antsy because i wrote after the election that the election results in november, to me, were a rejection of incrementalism. for the last six years of the obama administration, we had incremental movement in almost every policy debate. the unified control of government under the republican party. they did it at the federal level and in many cases, the state level boy, because they are tired of the ping-pong game at the bottom of the swimming pool full of molasses. they want to see movement. the republican party can't afford to go into the midterms without having shown some movement on the things on which

it ran. health care reform, tax reform, anything, where trump can build back some of those support he may have lost a couple of tricks on his own infrastructure. >> martha: the pool of molasses, that doesn't sound like it is going anywhere quickly. karl, last thought. >> this idea that you got to get something done in the first 100 days is ridiculous. it goes back to the new deal and franklin roosevelt. >> martha: it sure helps, karl. it helps the story lines. obama got stimulus, bush got the tax cut, you want to put something on the ledger. >> you want to put points on the board, no doubt about it. the failure to get repeal and replace is going to hurt the republicans. i agree with scott. they need to show movement on tax reform, on obama repeal and replace, on limiting the size of government, strengthening the military, securing our borders, all the things that trump talked about. there needs to be progress. and there will be progress. but this is why the failure to get repeal and replace was so damaging. it caused people to question whether or not the republicans

could govern. and they have got to govern in order to win the 2018 election. >> martha: people are impatient where they wanted done. they are getting anxious. thanks, you guys. good to see you both. coming up next, conservative pundit at calder's speech at uc berkeley is back on. will she be welcomed with a protest?

♪ >> martha: these were scenes from berkeley and middlebury college, which we showed you last month, after conservative speakers were invited to address the student's event, everybody burn things and choked cars and all kinds of crazy things happened. uc berkeley had planned on canceling uc and coulter's spe. they are now letting her speech. lisa boothe and jessica tarlov. lisa, let me start with you. your thoughts on this whole thing? >> i think it is incredibly sad. we are seeing their shutting down of the first amendment admitting it with violence on too many college campuses. as you point out, milo yiannopoulos at berkeley, molotov cocktails, setting up fires, the irony, one of the students, he was physically assaulted. the problem is, there is no

accountability. you look at liberal professors outnumbering conservatives 12-1 on college campuses. you can go to your professor watch list.org and find professors who have engaged in some of the violence, as well. it is incredibly sad. i think it's an indictment of the left. >> martha: jessica? >> i think jessica and i will agree more in the this evening than any of the last two years. i'm embarrassed. this is an issue for years. you have people that have been shut down, like jason riley, or ray kelly. i think it's unfortunate. the most important thing we can do is listen to the upper side, especially with liberals with conservatives and power come at all the highest levels. while i find some of what ann coulter says to be hateful, i think we need to be drawing a line at what hate speeches and things that you disagree with. if you show up and you push back in a productive way, you can get far, engage with her, have a conversation. >> martha: i don't know how you expect to get an education

if you don't hear both sides of thought, political thought, whatever it is. lisa, the question, it has been like this for a while. what is the catalyst for change, if there is one? >> i think there needs to be at a grassroots level, speakers like ann coulter, who essentially shamed berkeley into re-inviting her onto the college campus. turning point usa, a lot of these organizations at the grassroots level that are trying to bring change to these campuses. i think there needs to be rejection of this mentality from the left more broadly. of the past couple years, we have seen this violence, not just on the college campuses, but the cities, the burning down of cities and churches and businesses. ferguson, missouri, we have seen police being attacked, cars being stomped on outside of trump rallies, during the campaign. >> martha: ten seconds. >> if you saw what went on last weekend between trump protesters

and trump supporters, there is violence on both sides. this is not something at liberal universities condone in terms of violence. it needs to stop. but that is an unfair connectio connection. >> martha: we'll be right back with our quote of the night and a special spot that we went to

♪ >> martha: yesterday, i was in washington and the eisenhower executive office building on the white house grounds. it's an amazing, historic jam of architecture and design and i never get tired of seeing the inside of that building. it houses a lot of the white house staff and they are surrounded by historic portraits, desks, american treasures, like this portrait of george washington. a report of the night is has at it speaks of his trepidation of becoming the first president of our then brand-new united states. "i walk on untrodden ground. there is scarcely any part of my conduct which may not hereafter be drawn into precedent.

integrity and humility." he's held up pretty well over time, i would say. i'm martha maccallum. see you tomorrow night at 7:00. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and worker to tucker carlson tonight, another day and another apparent terror attack. isis is taking responsibility tonight for a shooting on the in paris. we have a live report from paris in moments. katie hopkins will be here to discuss the growing danger across that continent. but, first, the war over president trump's immigration policies continues tonight. juan emanuel mondays a montes ws deported in february. he said you should have been protected by daca. big twist though, the case will beea