integrity and humility." he's held up pretty well over time, i would say. i'm martha maccallum. see you tomorrow night at 7:00. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and worker to tucker carlson tonight, another day and another apparent terror attack. isis is taking responsibility tonight for a shooting on the in paris. we have a live report from paris in moments. katie hopkins will be here to discuss the growing danger across that continent. but, first, the war over president trump's immigration policies continues tonight. juan emanuel mondays a montes ws deported in february. he said you should have been protected by daca. big twist though, the case will be heard by gonzalo

curiel, the mexican judge the president accused of bias last year. julius was an illegal immigrant but despite that she basic eventually made it in finance. goldman sachs. she wrote a piece accusing the trump deportation force that will drive out millions of immigrants. she joins us now. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> so you applied for a job and were accepted at goldman sachs and ascended in the ranks but you were here illegally. that suggests that you used an illegal social security number, someone else's. a stolen social security was it? >> i did. i used a fake social security number that didn't lonbelong to anyone. it was completely made up number. unfortunately that is what young people who are incredibly driven are forced to do, given the immigration policies that we currently have. i was very fortunate to be able to become an american citizen eventually when i

got married to a u.s. citizen. but, for millions of people, this line that we continually talk about doesn't actually exist. there isn't a pathway for people to get documented, including the young man that you just mentioned that was deported recently. >> tucker: you said you were forced to do it. my understanding is that's a felony punishable by 5 to 10 years in prison. do you have any regrets for committing a felony to take a job? >> so, it actually the felony conviction you are talking about really depends on what state. and i did not commit identity theft. as i said the social that i used was completely fake. i absolutely wish that i didn't have to do that. i wish that there had been a pathway for me to become a permanent resident and eventually a citizen. i came here when i was 11 years old. so i absolutely wished that there had been another way, but given the circumstances that i was in, that really was my only choice and my only option. and i did the best that i could with the circumstances

that i had and as you said i became a vice president at goldman sachs and later became a director at merrill lynch. >> tucker: right, but had you no choice but to work at goldman sachs. i guess it sounds to me like and congratulations on your success in this country. i think you would be a little more grateful for the tunes the country offered you. sounds like you are blaming the country for laws that you don't like you are saying with a straight face had you to violate our laws because they were unjust laws? why did you have to violate our laws? >> no. i think what i'm saying is that there are laws that are unjust, but i'm not blaming anybody for the circumstances that i was in. i'm incredibly grateful for this country, which is why i became an american citizen, and that was one of the best days of my life to finally be recognized by a country that i have called home since i was 11 years old. i'm incredibly grateful for that opportunity. and so now what i'm doing is trying to make that

opportunity available to more people who come here to work really hard and to give other talents to make this country the country that it is, a great, beautiful country, which is why i live here and i'm an american citizen now. >> tucker: right, again. it's worked out great for you as it does a lot of immigrants and i admire work ethic and drive and i sympathize with them wanting to leave the countries they are fleeing from. i think americans ought to have a voice in this. i found your characterization frankly of the president's border wall as a symbol of hate is not an indication of gratitude it suggests that you don't think america has a right to protect its borders. that seems a very odd attitude for someone who has benefited so much from your adopted country. >> no. not at all. i don't think that makes me ungrateful. i think that makes me a citizen of the country who also gets to have a voice. and my voice might be different than your voice. but we both get to voice our opinion. >> tucker: of course, and i'm not challenging your right to say what you think

and i would defend it, literally. however, i don't understand why a country's desire to protect its border is an expression of hate. what does that mean? >> i think my -- no, i think that my -- the point that i'm trying to make is that the wall is not the best way to protect our borders. listen, i live here. i want this country to be safe. my children are going to grow up in america as american citizens born here. and so i absolutely want our country to be safe, but building a wall that is going to cost, by the way, billions of dollars of american taxpayers, my tax dollars are going to go. >> tucker: i'm sorry, you know what? i don't have any patience for that argument because hold on, i'm sorry. that's not a real argument. >> how is the wall going to protect us? >> tucker: you are saying the wall is too expensive. but you know that's not actually what you said. you said it's an expression of hate. i just want to get to the bottom of that why is it hateful to want to build the wall? a lot of americans do the majority in some surveys. why is that related to hate?

>> it is a hateful symbol. it is a symbol of hate against immigrants. it is a symbol of hate against mexican immigrants, which you know, the president -- mr. trump ran his campaign on. so i do still view the wall. >> tucker: hold on. i want to get to the bottom of this because you are throwing around language that has an effect on people's attitude and it's pretty heavy duty because it presumes motives that you can't know. you don't know the people who support the wall hate mexican immigrants. a lot of the people coming across that border are not from mexico. they are central americans. is did legitimate. is it morally legitimate for an american to say i want control of who comes into my country and we don't have that and so a wall will reestablish that control? for you to denounce that as hate seems a little much. >> i would absolutely -- i would absolutely welcome a conversation about how do we create a system by which people can come here legally

that will benefit americans that will increase tax revenue, that will increase economic activity so we should have that conversation. >> tucker: we're having that conversation now and you are not answering -- with respect, you north answering my question. you are not answering the key question here. let gents to another question. >> i am answering the question. >> why is it a symbol of hate for people to disagree with you on the wall? >> as a mexican, as a mexican immigrant, i can have an opinion that that wall, to me, symbolizes a symbol of hate. >> tucker: i'm merely asking you to explain your opinion. i'm not challenge your right to have one. i think have you a right to have any opinion you want. i think i have a right to ask you what you are talking about and you can't explain it let's move onto the next can he which is really simple. how many people should we allow into this country illegally every year. let's be precise since you do this for a living. how many people should we allow people in every year. >> i don't think we should allow people illegally. we should create a pathway so people can come into the country legally. i never had to cross a

border illegally. i came here on a tourist visa. >> tucker: right. >> i don't know what it's like to risk your life to come here. but many people do die trying to come to our country. >> tucker: they sure do. >> i want to have a way so that people who want to come work in this country can come work in this country legally. >> tucker: how many? how many? there are 320 million people in the country, again, do you this for a living. this isn't something you haven't thought about presumably. how many people should we let in. >> absolutely i have thought about it. >> 1.5 million legally. how many should that be? we're interested in the answer. i certainly am. what is it? >> yeah. i think that we have to have a deeper conversation to come up with a number that makes sense. but, you know, the number right now, for example, when we talk about high skilled worker visas, h 11 visas we only have 81,000 visas we give out every year through a lottery. that number hasn't changed in decades. right? we haven't looked at our

immigration system both the legal immigration system and how do would create a pathway to citizenship for the people here undocumented. >> tucker: i'm try obligor to be respectful and i do respect your achievements and i think you are a clearly a talented person. if you advocate for policy changes you ought to be able to define what they are and then defend them. and you can't. and many other people in your position can't. i just want specifics. that's it. i'm not trying to be mean but you can't provide them and i'm disappointed. i'm sorry we're out of time. >> yes i can. >> tucker: i have asked you five times what's the number. quickly how many people should we let in every year? what's the ideal number of legal immigrants either hib h 1 b programs or how many we should bring in a year? >> that cap of 85,000 visas should at least be doubled that number. to meet the demands of our country and of our economy. >> tucker: okay. >> if you are hawg about hb 1 visas, the number should

be doubled. >> 160,000. >> when it comes to policy, we can't have -- we can't have a conversation about changing the immigration policies of this country without including a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million people duck tuck maybe we can that's up to american citizens and not up to people here illegally. >> as an american citizen. >> tucker: right as an american. thank you for throwing out that number. i appreciate it thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me. >> tucker: for the modern left the concept of free speech a failed concept of the 60's. david horowitz, david murray all found themselves speaking due to their opinions. most recent person silenced in this is ann coulter at uc berkeley told not go forward because of safety concerns. here is what she said on this show last night. >> by the way, i am giving the speech. i don't know, what are they going to do arrest he? they can put me in the bimgham jail. this is taxpayer funded institution. not to mention lots of kids

getting federal money to be there. you know, attorney general jeff sessions should be looking at this. >> tucker: well, after an outcry, officials at berkeley reversed course, offering to let coulter speak in early may. >> miss coulter's announcement that she intends to come to this campus on april 27th without regard to the fact that we do not have a protectable venue available on that date is of grave concern. last night i asked my staff to look beyond the usual venues we use for large public gatherings. fortunately that expanded search identified an appropriate, protectable venue that is available on the afternoon of may 2nd. >> tucker: exercising freedom of speech is of grave concerns says the guy from the college known for the free speech. who teaches him to talk this way. mark steyn might know. he knows what it's like to be targeted for his opinions. angry canadians once stopped him from speaking in his own

country. mark steyn joins us tonight. mark, you must recognize this. >> yeah. these guys i certainly recognize that kind of creepy, evasively speech. a canadian blogger called rosen cohen and she sums it up very well security is the new shut up by which thee means that oh yes, of course we believe in freedom of speech but we have security concerns so they come up with all this you will have to change the date. you'll have to change the venue. we have to move to you this venue. we have had a conversation with the security team. and the municipal police and they say we are going to need 600 riot police there to enable you to give a speech. and the point of all this is that eventually the guys give up and abandon trying to invite conservative speakers because, by the time you factor in all the security costs, you could stage hello dolly meets godzilla on ice for the same

cost as bringing charles murray in to give a 20 minute speech to a few students. and barkley should be ashamed of this. if it's not safe on april 27th for ann coulter to be there. she should fix that but she is coming on april 27th and she should be able to speak there without those guys losing control of the environment. >> tucker: among the many ironies in this, the left invented the term victim shaming or blaming the victim. and that's exactly what's going on here. people show up to abridge or eliminate your freedom of speech and then you are blamed for the violence they threaten. how does that work? >> that's right. yeah. i mean, the "new york times" gave a particularly weevilly we weaselly account today. become a target for small militant and shadowy right

wing groups. nerd, if you read the "new york times," you would think that this is right wing violence targeting a liberal campus. it's the exact opposite. it was left wing thugs at middle bury who put a liberal professor in the hospital and made her have to go back a couple of days blart a concussion. these groups claim to be anti-fascist. but you don't actually meet actual fascists if the so-called anti-fascist groups are putting liberal female professors in the hospital. the administrators of american universities are some of the most disgraceful people in the western world at the moment. they are actually selling to one of the critical elements of the western inheritance which is freedom of 1350e67 they are turning basically university campuses into the equivalent of english hooligan football stadiums of the 1970s. shame on them.

>> tucker: and i have to say if you say you are anti-fascist it's a red flag. maybe it suggests you are one? >> right. > >> tucker: so what exactly is the right response to this? you've had it happen to you. you've been presented from presenting in public by people like this. how do you respond? what do you do next? >> i think what you do what ann coulter is doing and say you are going to be there. this is a public university we've just had a fascinating discussion with a lady who thinks it's hateful to put up a wall to prevent illegal immigrants entering country. but apparently at publicly funded institutions half the american people are not welcome to come and express their opinions there. and you have to take a stand against that. there is no point having a first amendment. there is no point fighting legal battles. there has to be a broader culture of free speech and every time the left says no we would rather punch your

lights out, it's the duty of the university administrators to slap them down. by the way, it's also the duty of squishes like the pathetic people who run the berkeley police department who kind of stand idolly by and pose as neutral between the thugs and the group holding the event. the berkeley police department also needs to be held to account. >> tucker: i agree. it's the leadership. i bet if you talk to the average cop in berkeley he would be as frustrated as you are. mark steyn thank you. >> you are right, tucker. police chief politically correct squishes. >> tucker: it must drive the cops crazy. you know it does. mark, thank you. up next, isis is claiming responsibility for an attack in the city of paris. we will bring you the very latest on that. plus, we will talk to the daily mail katie hopkins, one of our favorites whether these attacks show the hazards of letting in massive migrant populations from the third world all up

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♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. terror once again hits the streets of paste today as a gunman killed a police officer and hurt two more before being killed himself. a lot happened there. go now to correspondent kevin ozebek who is in brussels, belgium tonight. kevin, thanks. what's going on? >> well, tucker, the french interior ministry says they do know the identity of this attacker but they are not making that public just yet because they say it is possible he could have had accomplices and they want to know that before they tell the public and the media more information. this all unfolded just a couple of hours ago along

the champs. witnesses say he started driving down the boulevard, parked near a police van and then started shooting the police officer inside that van. he did try to run away, but another police officer shot and killed him. right know two police officers remain in a hospital with serious injuries. tucker, what's so fascinating here is the timing of all of this. this all unfolded just three days before the french public go to the polls in what has just been a presidential race filled with twists and turns. and who this could really benefit is the far right candidate maureen lapin. she is a platform that is very tough on immigration. she wants to strengthen security along france's borders. and she also has this french first policy where she wants to give people, french residents who were born in france first priority when it comes to jobs and social

benefits. so she wants to procedure advertise theprioritizethem oven residents. it's very interesting to see in the coming days if her platform becomes more popular with the french public and if she really benefits from. this the latest polls that were just out this morning show she is currently running neck and neck with the centrist candidate emanuel. this is really a horse rate. at this point the country though, in some respects, has shifted its focus from this really unusual presidential race to, once again, terrorism. >> tucker: kevin, thanks a lot for that as kevin said attacks like this have elevated immigration to the top of french politics. that country like the rest of europe is still facing a flood of immigrants from the middle east. it shows no signs of stopping. is there a way to keep western europe from becoming encampment for the world's poor. katie joins us from

daily.com. she joins us tonight. katie, is there a way to stop what seems likenedless stream of people from these regions coming in to europe? >> i don't believe there is. you know, in 2015, i said in a tough article stop the boats. we should send the military to stop the boats crossing the med. just like the australians did. wee did nothing about it in fact, we just had a collective kind of mourn about this baby that got washed up on the beach and then merkel opened the borders and said do come. let them all come. and we are still paying the price for that now. two years later, we just had 8,000 migrants in one weekend in italy. 33,000 so far this year. more alarmingly than ever the nongovernmental organizations are providing a rescue service which is now operating more or less as a free ferry service direct from libel i can't to italy. i think that specifically is

the problem now is that we have charities providing a ferry service from libya to italy direct. so can i only see this problem getting worse. >> tucker: that's a subversion of what they are supposed to be doing. i thought the point of these ngos floating around in the med were to rescue people almost to europe and almost to italy and maybe bring them back or in any case keep them out of water. you are saying they are bringing them across from libya to europe? >> something very strange is happening in the mediterranean right now. there is a proliferation of these boats. they are more numerous by the day. they are going right up to libyan territorial waters. they are flashing their large flashlights at night to attract the migrants to them. and there is even suggestions that now they don't talk to the coast guard when they are in distress. although they are already in distress before they leave the shore because they are not equipped to make the whole journey, in fact, what's happening is the my grants are speaking direct to the ngo boats and,

therefore, calling them to help before there is really an issue. so i think that's a concern. i also wanted to say, tucker, if you don't mind, your last speaker there, kevin, i would say marie lapin is not far right. she is just off the right. and she is in the right. she wants to keep france for the french. and any idea that mac chron, the centrist candidate is going to be able to protect people, he came out tonight and said the first job of a leader is to protect people. frankly, he couldn't protect macaroni and cheese is he investment banker. he has his dad's money. he had to marry his teacher and create his own political party because no one wanted to play for him. do not vote macorn and get france back for the french. >> tucker: you are awesome. >> you are, too. congratulations for your program. >> tucker: you live there i'm fascinated by the psychology behind. this i bet if you could do a real poll of majority of

european citizens are not in favor of unregulated migration of large groups on to their continent but the people who run europe seem to be. why are they in favor of it? >> oh, they love it they love open border. they love the idea that you should just bring people over, have them come. i heard one of your contributors the other night saying we should be taking more of these people and they don't see the truth. they won't listen to the hard truth. the truth is, the guy that took the truck and drove it into the christmas market in berlin, he came via italy. these people are bringing over monsters. many of them have been radicalized by camps in africa. they are paid $1,000 if they make the trip across the med. and then sign up to fight for isis. these are the people that liberals seem to want to welcome in the name of equality. and i think it's people like me, right minded people who want to send them home. this guy just a&e tacked in paris, he was well known to the authorities. he had a 20-year prison term for attacking police

historically and sadly, writing about it tonight and sadly they released him early only for him to draw up alongside a police van and get out assault rifle and gun down police. it's ridiculous and we need get rid of these monsters. deport these monsters and put british people, french people, people that are national to their countries first. >> tucker: like we are watching the same movie on a loop. katie hopkins, thanks a lot for that tonight. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: up next, the student government at kentucky college has passed a resolution demanding the school pay reparation to black students by giving them free tuition. one of the co-authors of

>> tucker: western kentucky student government association just passed a resolution calling on their school to provide free tuition for all african-american students. why is that? they say it's to make reparations of slavery a practice abolished 150 years ago. the resolution denounces standardized tests for quote upholding white supremacy and calls on the school to admit any currently incarcerated. they do not exclude violent criminals from that category. a student senator at western. she co-authored the bill in question and. thanks for coming on. >> hi, thank you for come me. >> alabama by the way. >> i beg your pardon.

understand the reasoning. i don't think i agree. there is no mystery about what this is about. but, some of the details are unclear. so, for example, would the category, the benefits from this include black students whose families were in the united states during the slave holding period, recent arrivals, for example? >> um, i actually can't hear you very clearly. let me try turning up the volume. >> tucker: if you would. can you repeat that for me? >> tucker: of course. the question is would this apply to students whose families weren't here when slavery existed in the united states? a lot of recent immigrants from africa, the caribbean, would they benefit from this? >> so, when we talk about reparations, we are definitely specifically talking about people who have direct ties to slavery. jim crowe and segregation. i think that there are separate, but just as important conversations to have about african immigrants, caribbean immigrants who come here and

also face racial discrimination that inhibits them from education as well. >> tucker: so even people whose families didn't suffer under state sponsored or slavery would be entitled to that those groups tend to do as i'm sure you know from looking at the numbers, pretty well, in a lot of the case outearn native born americans. why would they be entitled to this also or to any special consideration? >> so, you are using the word entitled and i don't know if that's the right word. when we talk about african immigrants who come here and face racial discrimination, can i actually speak ton this very uniquely because i am the daughter of immigrants who came here. there is unique discrimination that faces african immigrants that many people don't talk about. i feel like this proposal specifically focuses on black americans who have dealt with the effects of slavery and the inability to pass on wealth, which is really the big point that

makes these groups disenfranchised and unable to get to college as readily as some groups are. >> tucker: okay. but what if those -- you are really arguing two different things. let's stick to the primary one. how could you prove that your family was affected by jim crowe or slavery. would you have to show that your ancestors were a certain percentage of them were african-american? what would be the standard for this? >> so these are important questions and i'm actually glad you are asking them because the whole point of this resolution was to get a conversation started about reparations owed to black americans. specifically in the form of education. so there are small details such as the ones you are pointing out that would need to be more nuanced and more focused on. i don't think it's very difficult to prove that someone who hasn't imgreat here has suffered from the effects of slavery, jim crowe and segregation. >> tucker: nighttime sure they are small details though and they kind of get to the heart of what i think

may be the problem with this or one of the problems with it. that is that you might have a body like your university or the u.s. government or a state government doing blood tests on people who decide who is in what racial category and then giving people benefits on the basis of that. and that used to be considered really creepy. you know, because it evoked earlier anding youier times when government would decide what category you were in based on your blood and help some people and hurt others. does that give you any pause at all? >> i think saying that it hurts others, i don't know what exactly you mean by that so the whole point of the resolution is that college should be accessible to everyone. >> tucker: right. >> right now there are historical obstacles in place that uniquely affect black americans that make college so that it's not accessible. universities love to use words like diversity, inclusion but they fail to

recognize how slavery, jim crowe, segregation, how all of these things still affect a lot of black youth today. and make it very hard for them to get into college and more specifically pay for college. so the idea is not that this would hurt anybody. it would help people. and at this -- >> tucker: hold on. let me stop threw. i don't think everything you are say something crazy or anything. but the idea that nobody would be hurt by preferences for some doesn't really hold up. if i have three kids i give two ice cream and knot the third i'm hurting that kid because i'm showing favoritism to the other kids. so, of course it does. any kind -- segregation was bad because it showed favoritism to one group on the basis of that group's race. this seems pretty much exactly the same as that. why is it different? >> and the word you used favoritism, that's like -- that's really important, to say that paying back african-americans for

capturing them, enslaving them, then segregating them, pushing them into communities, to say that paying them back is favoritism is just really -- it's just not the right word, right? >> tucker: hold on here. an 18-year-old african-american, maybe his parents are doctors, if you are giving him benefits over, i don't know, someone of a different color from a poorer background, doesn't seem like justifiable to me. does it to you? that happens by the way a lot. >> um, i don't know if that happens a lot. >> tucker: it certainly happens. i have seen it happen. >> sure. when you talk about economic privilege, some groups in different races are more privileged than others. that's a fact. that's true. when we are talking about specifically black students getting in to college, there are huge disparities in comparison. and that's really the point of this resolution. it's to talk about those

disparities and bring those to light. more time because i think it's a really interesting conversation. thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: up next, president trump is suggesting he wants to investigate the safety of vaccines and if he does he has an ally in a member of the kennedy family. we sat down with robert f. kennedy jr. to talk about his meeting with the president about vaccines. it's an interesting conversation. stay

>> tucker: the vast majority of medical experts insists that vaccines are generally safe and that there is no link between vaccines and autism. and that is widely accepted. not universally. president trump has expressed interest in investigating the matter further. vaccine safety. if he does, he has at least one supporter from a prominent democratic family. robert f. kennedy jr. met earlier this year with the president to discuss the possibility of forming a commission to investigate the safety of vaccines. we spoke to him about that topic eventually.

watch. so this is such a taboo subject that i think a lot of people would hesitate even to bring it up. but i have read a lot that you have written on it i don't agree with all of it but i don't think you are crazy. you are not anti-vaccine. you say you vaccinate your own children but have you concerns. tell me first what the reaction is when you tell people you are skeptical of the vaccine regiment in the united states? >> well, like i'm pro-vaccine. i have never said anything against any vaccine. i have read the science. and the science is very clear that some of the vaccines, and what you have to understand is that the vaccine regiment changed dramatically around 1989. the rio de janeiro reason it changed, tucker, congress grounding in a pharmaceutical industry did something they never did for any other industry they gave blanket legal immunity from the vaccine. no matter how sloppy or

absent the quality control, no matter how toxic ingredient or egregious injury to your child. you cannot sue them. there is no discovery. there is no class action suits. all of the sudden vaccines became -- >> tucker: from that point in '89 when the law passed. >> '87 it was implemented and then it was a gold rush by the garm suit call industry to add new sack seens to the schedule. so i got three vaccines and i was really compliant. i'm 63 years old. my children got 69 doses of 16 vaccines to be compliant. and a lot of these vaccines aren't even for communicable, casually communicable diseases like hepatitis b which comes from unprotected sex or using -- sharing needles. why do we give that to a child the first day of their life? and it was loaded with mercury. >> tucker: and we do give that to children? >> we continue to give it to them. mercury has been taken out

of three vaccines but in this country. gu remains in the flu vaccine. 48 million flu vaccines and it's in vaccines all over the world. it is the most potent neurotoxin known to man that is radioactive. how can we inject that into a child? if you take that vaccine vial and break it, you have to dispose of that out out you have to evacuate the building. why would we take that substance and inject it into a little baby. >> tucker: the argue 789 as you know is that group immunity, herald immunity is what you are searching for and, yes, there are down sides. >> herd immunity. everybody benefits. >> when they are talking about herd immunity they are talking about casually contagious diseases like measles. last month, a group of very prestigious scientists with the robust study of african children. studied the dbt on pertussis

and tetanus vaccine most widely distributed vaccine in the world. urging every kid in africa gets it they did a vaccinated study which has never been done. and what they found was that kids who did not get the -- kids who got the vaccine, little babies were 10 times as likely to die in the next two months as the kids who did not. and what they concluded was and this study was funded by the danish government and these people are bullet proof scientists, vaccine is killing more people than dip tieriatier pertussis combined. >> tucker: final question, why has the point you are making, that doesn't seem crazy, been so discredited? could it be because the spokesman for that point of view tend to be actresses from hollywood or actors who don't seem to know much

about the topic and against all vaccinations? >> i think that is out there but it's very, i have small. i think like i'm -- all the time because the pharmaceutical industry is so powerful. media, they give $5.4 billion a year to the media and and so and they have gotten rid of the lawyers. there is no legal interest in those cases. and they really have been able to control debate and silence people like me. i'm very grateful to you for having the courage to allow me on this show and talk. this is the second show in 10 years that's allowed me to talk about this. the other one being bill maher which doesn't take advertising. >> tucker: i think it's interesting. above all, i think you ought to be allowed to ask legitimate questions without being attacked because i think that's the basis of democracy. >> we are having a responsible debate and, you know, i don't scare people but a debate that's real and

based on science. >> tucker: i hope you start one. thank you. >> thank you very much for having me. >> tucker: coming up, we are in new york tonight. we are doing the friend zone. we thought why not have charles payne on. one of our all-time favorite people. story of generous woman. amazing woman who saved his wife's life. stay tune for that. stay tune for that. ♪ you won't see these folks at the post office. stay tune for that. ♪ they have businesses to run. they have passions to pursue. how do they avoid trips to the post office? stamps.com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale.

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♪ >> tucker: time now for the friend zone. we welcome someone from inside the building. one of our friends onto the show. tonight's guest, this is charles payne. host of "making money with charles payne" on fox business. this man has grand children which is shocking. i document ask you about your wife who is famous at fox who makes you three course lunch when you bring to work in a lunch box. sweet.

>> three tier lunch box i saw it in a movie called lunch box. indian thing. amazing. bottom tray is your main course, usually something i heat up can be like beef with onions or la sonia. helps you stop from snacking. >> tucker: i'm just so impressed. really, really. we have but your wife had pretty significant, profoundly significant health trouble and overcame it? >> yeah. yeah. she is a heart transplant recipient. it's been over four years. you know, it was remarkable story in the sense that she was just about done. i mean, when i say just about done. she had a device called lvat. that's where they take a device they jam it into your left ventricle trick call. a chora cord sticks out of your stomach into the brains of it and plug into external power. hers does 75% of the heart. hers was doing 85%. it's so evil this thing they say hey, you know what? make sure you talk to someone before you get this.

you know anyone because very few people have had it. it is rough. you stay alive but you pay a cost. i'm going to tell you who she spoke to. a friend of mine in wyoming is a real good friend dick cheney. dick cheney had the same thing. i called my friend. he said give me a minute. 20 minutes later dick cheney called my wife and spoke to her for 40 minutes. >> tucker: that's unbelievable. >> i left the room. i cam back. she said they cried. they prayed and the next day there was an article in the daily news by mike lupica that said dick cheney was the most evil man in the world. could you imagine that? >> tucker: like the former vice president your wife got a heart transplant in the end and made a difference. who was it from? >> its would from a good friend of mine's daughter. >> tucker: whoa. >> sammy kr569. that's her right there. a beautiful -- she was 20 years old at the time. just a beautiful young girl. she was an actress, singer. in fact, the movie bad news bears was remade. she was the star.

tatum o'neal role, it was her role with billy bob thornton. and so i was filling in for stuart varney. we were on commercial break. i'm looking at my emails and i get an email from her father. he says my daughter is dead and i want yvonne to have the heart. it was crazy, tucker because we had to go through so much red tape. initially they said you can't have the heart. next day i was driving home. the phone rings and my wife is crying hysterically i said what's wrong? they said i could have the heart. we went straight to jfk, lax and next day she got the heart at cedar sinai. >> tucker: unbelievable. one of your grandchildren is named after the girl. >> youngest granddaughter sammy is named. >> tucker: that's amazing story legitimately. charles, thank you. >> thanks a lot. great success. i'm only in my 60's. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options.

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sworn enemy of pomposity and group think. new time slot 8:00 p.m. have a great flight. north korea. >> kimberly: that's it for us. "special report" is next. >> bret: "it never ends." that from president trump on what he says appears to be another terror attack in france. good evening and welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. president trump is calling for strength and vigilance in the face of what appears to be a terror related attack on police officers in paris. one officer was killed and two others seriously wounded today. the attacker was fatally shot by police. french sources say the government had previously been flagged as an extremist. moments ago, we learned that isis is claiming responsibility for the